How would Joe Calzaghe have fared against John Conteh at LHW? [Archive]

Guy

01-10-2010, 05:26 PM

Apologies if this has been done to death, been watching a few Conteh fights on Youtube trying to familiarize myself , reading up a bit in a rather lazy fashion. I did do a forum search to see if the question had come up and read the first 2 pages!! :good

Surely there's some Conteh nut out there to give me the lowdown.

Cheers

Flea Man

01-10-2010, 05:37 PM

Conteh had the better jab, had the harder dig and was as good as Calzaghe at adapting his gameplan.

This is a battle of feet: Calzaghes unorthodox movement trying to take Conteh off balance and land his flurries to win the rounds but both men had good chins and brittle hands so I don't see a stoppage either way.

Contehs more thudding punches and dictating of range and fluent footwork will see him win on point over 12 or 15 (10-5) though Joe C will come on strong late.

He's just not at his best weight against one of the most talented fighters at the weight, and not just in terms of British fighters, Conteh was an ace 175lber on his best day, though the fight would be a superb battle of wits.

In short: Conteh was better.

Boro chris

01-10-2010, 05:39 PM

Badly. Conteh is too skilled and smooth for Calzaghe. Probably a one sided ud. Calzaghe was pretty good at avoiding left leads throughout his career but not against fighters of this calibre. Conteh picks him off early and often with it and starts peppering him with combinations mid rounds. Calzaghe hears the final bell I think but is in a bad way at the end.

Guy

01-10-2010, 05:46 PM

Thanks for the breakdown chaps, sounds like an excellent fight! and Conteh sounds an excellent fighter...
Memo to self;Must watch more Conteh.

Any cases for a JC win out there?

GazOC

01-10-2010, 05:50 PM

Any cases for a JC win out there?

You might get 1 or 2 but I won't be one of them. Great posts from the other guys!!:good

Mazallan

01-10-2010, 05:54 PM

Loss KO round 4.

BIG WORM

01-10-2010, 05:56 PM

Calzaghe UD or TKO at LHW !!

John Conteh's too simple, Cal would overwhelm him with slickness and would throw too many punches from so many angles, Conteh wouldn't be able to get his punches off.....

Calzaghe's an ATG fighter

ryanm8655

01-10-2010, 05:58 PM

Mazallan

01-10-2010, 05:58 PM

Carl would avoid the fight and then fight Conteh in maybe another 4 years to make just sure he is past it to a level that JC thinks he can beat him.

davidjay

01-10-2010, 06:04 PM

Conteh is possibly the most overlooked British fighter of the past 40 years. If he'd had a bit (sorry, a lot) more commitment he'd have been up there with Lewis as the best P4P we've produced.

Guy

01-10-2010, 06:06 PM

You might get 1 or 2 but I won't be one of them. Great posts from the other guys!!:good

Hehe Gaz I was going to say thanks a lot and good night but Baileys and Mazallan have moved in with wins either side. :bbb

GazOC

01-10-2010, 06:14 PM

How do people think the fact Joe is unorthodox and a Southpaw would effect the fight, given Conteh liked to throw a lot of left hand leads.

Also were weigh ins not the day of the fight back then? In which case would weight be a factor at all...

If the weigh in was on the day of the fight then that would suit Calzaghe and probably keep both fighters around 175ish but the current rules of the day before would allow Conteh to get back up to 190 (he started out as a heavyweight and was usually around 190 in non title fights).

China_hand_Joe

01-10-2010, 06:17 PM

Conteh had the better jab

He really didn't.

Calzaghe jab is absolutely supreme, he did literally beat Ashira with his jab alone. Yes Ashira was poo, but he had been in title fights before.

Taking nothing away from Conteh, Calzaghe's jab was superior. It was faster, more accurate and has that snap to it, which you saw rocking Lacy's head back hundreds of times.

NO MAS

01-10-2010, 06:30 PM

I think at LHW it's a win for JC, a comfortable points win...:yep

He would land far to many shots...The weigh in on the day would not be an issue... JC does LHW so easy...:yep

I ran a thread sometime ago on this topic which was very much for the weigh in the day before for the health and safety of the fighters... This must always come first...:yep

GazOC

01-10-2010, 06:34 PM

I agree, the day before weigh-in was brought in for boxers safety and that is paramount but it would also suit Conteh in this instance.

Beeston Brawler

01-10-2010, 06:40 PM

In terms of boxer's safety......

Conteh was actually good, assuming he was prime.

That should render him ineligible for a contest with Calzaghe, cup-tied if you like.

:yep

NO MAS

01-10-2010, 06:40 PM

I agree, the day before weigh-in was brought in for boxers safety and that is paramount but it would also suit Conteh in this instance.

It is an interesting thread because we have only ever seen JC over 12 with a weigh in the day before... It would be interesting to see how he would have faired over 15 with a same day weigh in... With those rules in place I think JC would have had to vacate SMW a lot earlier than he did...:yep

GazOC

01-10-2010, 06:45 PM

It is an interesting thread because we have only ever seen JC over 12 with a weigh in the day before... It would be interesting to see how he would have faired over 15 with a same day weigh in... With those rules in place I think JC would have had to vacate SMW a lot earlier than he did...:yep

Yep, definatly!!!

Boro chris

01-10-2010, 07:03 PM

He really didn't.

Calzaghe jab is absolutely supreme, he did literally beat Ashira with his jab alone. Yes Ashira was poo, but he had been in title fights before.

Taking nothing away from Conteh, Calzaghe's jab was superior. It was faster, more accurate and has that snap to it, which you saw rocking Lacy's head back hundreds of times.

He really did.
Calzaghe has a very good right lead but Conteh had better timing in his.
And I'll see your Ashira and raise you a Yaqui Lopez and Mathew Saad Muhamed. He fought both guys virtually one handed and I'll think you'll agree they're slightly more capable opponents.

threethirteen

01-10-2010, 07:10 PM

Conteh was certainly more impressive and faced a better standard of opponent. He was flexible, had a good outside and inside game, good offence and defence, and had enough power to keep an opponent honest.

Conteh is just the right guy to beat Calzaghe due to his own adaptability. Calzaghe can be bested in one particular area at times - like he can be countered if he has to come forwards, or he can be mauled on the inside, but he always adapts eventually and neutralises the other guy.

Conteh was a great all-rounder, so as soon as Joe started to respond to one approach, he'd change it up. He probably start with the nice hard jab, maybe dropping in some solid hooks, then he'd change to a counter puncher, making Joe pay, then he'd move to an inside fighter, nullifying Calzaghe's workrate and landing his harder punches.

But, Joe's adaptability and skill means he takes rounds as he figured out what was happening. I can see it being 8-4 or 7-5 to Conte.

Will

01-10-2010, 07:31 PM

I think Joe's workrate would be key for him. I don't agree that Conteh's jab was better but thats just my opinion.

Both had every shot in 'the book'.

Joe's footwork and angles would have also caused John problems.

Conteh had a great left hand but Joe was always good at removing this from fighters (hence why I think he would have done well against a prime RJJ).

Great thread though.

TFFP

01-10-2010, 07:41 PM

Calzaghe would win the fight. People got the ol' rose tinted goggles on. Conteh was very good but so is Calzaghe, and unless you have truely amazing power to not only hurt him but put him out for the count, or supreme counterpunching/defence/evasive skills then its going to be a big ask to outlast and outpoint him.

Conteh was more of a good boxer puncher than anything, there is no particular issue Calzaghe should have with his style. If anything its Calzaghe posing most of the questions in that regard as Conteh wouldn't have seen anything quite like it.

Scratch

01-10-2010, 08:46 PM

Oof...dunno.

Presuming Calzaghe's fists are in decent nick, it's a bout between two of the most complete British fighters in my lifetime.

Mazallan

01-11-2010, 03:53 AM

Calzaghe beat no one near Contehs class.

Boro chris

01-11-2010, 04:03 AM

Calzaghe beat no one near Contehs class.

An ageing Hopkins is the only one who comes close.

threethirteen

01-11-2010, 04:36 AM

Would Conteh have beaten Hopkins more decisively than Calzaghe did?

Mazallan

01-11-2010, 05:10 AM

Would Conteh have beaten Hopkins more decisively than Calzaghe did?

The OAP Hopkins? Yes more than likely. Calzaghe robbed father time in that fight.

Will

01-11-2010, 05:18 AM

The OAP Hopkins? Yes more than likely. Calzaghe robbed father time in that fight.

So when was Hopkins' Prime?

China_hand_Joe

01-11-2010, 05:30 AM

Calzaghe throws and lands a lot of punches.

That alone sees Calzaghe just about every legend the sport has.

People forget this.

threethirteen

01-11-2010, 05:44 AM

The OAP Hopkins? Yes more than likely. Calzaghe robbed father time in that fight.

Only the most hateful of Joe opposers would genuinely say Hopkins won that fight, either way it was close.

I think Conteh was better than Hopkins.

Mazallan

01-11-2010, 06:06 AM

Only the most hateful of Joe opposers would genuinely say Hopkins won that fight, either way it was close.

I think Conteh was better than Hopkins.

Hopkins won by 1 round. Not a robbery but it could have gone either way.

Mazallan

01-11-2010, 06:07 AM

So when was Hopkins' Prime?

Probably when he was beating little guys. Certainly a long way before the Calzaghe fight.

Will

01-11-2010, 06:13 AM

Probably when he was beating little guys. Certainly a long way before the Calzaghe fight.

Difficult to tell with Hopkins. He gets more wiley with age.

I do think Joe would have beaten the version of Hokins that RJJ beat easier.

What do you think?

Grant1

01-11-2010, 06:22 AM

Difficult to tell with Hopkins. He gets more wiley with age.

I do think Joe would have beaten the version of Hokins that RJJ beat easier.

What do you think?

RJJ dominated him.

Unless he was gonna ko B-Hop it's not possible to do it easier than Roy.

Will

01-11-2010, 06:36 AM

RJJ dominated him.

Unless he was gonna ko B-Hop it's not possible to do it easier than Roy.

You miss read my thread. I didn't say he would have beaten him easier than roy. I said I believed he would have beaten that version easier than the older version that he faught!

Grant1

01-11-2010, 06:47 AM

You miss read my thread. I didn't say he would have beaten him easier than roy. I said I believed he would have beaten that version easier than the older version that he faught!

Sorry mate my bad.

For the record, I agree :lol:

GazOC

01-11-2010, 06:52 AM

Difficult to tell with Hopkins. He gets more wiley with age.

I do think Joe would have beaten the version of Hokins that RJJ beat easier.

What do you think?

He's getting smarter but every decision he's lost has been because of the other fighters workrate. He hasn't been able to keep up for quite a few years now.

Will

01-11-2010, 06:56 AM

He's getting smarter but every decision he's lost has been because of the other fighters workrate. He hasn't been able to keep up for quite a few years now.

That is also true. But I just think he has turned himself into a bloody awkward guy to fight.

Although he did show in the Pavlik fight that he can still open up. But this could have been as much down to Pavliks impotency that night. However good Pavlik is or isn't he certainly didn't seem himself that night and I don't think it was all Hopkins.

He did get unbelievably tired in the Calzaghe fight which he probably wouldn't have done in the old days. But I think his awkwardness is what gets him through most fights.

icemax

01-11-2010, 07:02 AM

GazOC

01-11-2010, 07:07 AM

Mazallan

01-11-2010, 07:09 AM

People are forgetting how great Conteh was in his prime.

Boro chris

01-11-2010, 07:09 AM

ollyc

01-11-2010, 07:51 AM

Oof...dunno.

Presuming Calzaghe's fists are in decent nick, it's a bout between two of the most complete British fighters in my lifetime.

Calzaghe's hand problems pale into comparison to Conteh's troubles.
Conteh late TKO or lopsided points decision.

ryanm8655

01-11-2010, 08:04 AM

I'm surprised at the number of posters who are judging Calzaghe better than Conteh at a weight that he only fought twice, and then against old men who both had him down in the first round. Conteh would win this fight by a country mile, and thats not rose tinted specs...Calzaghe never faced anyone as good as Conteh in his prime

But I don't think that is necessarily an issue as in those days Calzaghe, even when fighting at supermiddle, would've been a lightheavy by the rules so it's irrelevant really.

Some interesting arguments eitherway by other people though.

Sure I remember seeing this come up in the classic forum before.

GazOC

01-11-2010, 08:12 AM

But I don't think that is necessarily an issue as in those days Calzaghe, even when fighting at supermiddle, would've been a lightheavy by the rules so it's irrelevant really.

Some interesting arguments eitherway by other people though.

Sure I remember seeing this come up in the classic forum before.

But if you allow a prime super middleweight Calzaghe 24 hours to rehydrate you have to allow a prime lt heavyweight Conteh the same luxury and he'd be up around 190lbs on fight night. A same day weigh in would suit Calzaghe better, at least that would keep both fighters close to 175.

threethirteen

01-11-2010, 08:12 AM

RJJ dominated him.

Unless he was gonna ko B-Hop it's not possible to do it easier than Roy.

He definitely did not. They were both content to play keepaway all night. It was competitive in the early going, but Hopkins' tendency to not take chances meant Roy was able to just pop out the jab and win on activity.

It was an awful fight and Roy looked awful in it. I can only presume you've looked at the scores rather than watched the fight to say something like that.

I'd consider the Hopkins that beat the piss out of Joppy to be pretty prime in terms of physical ability, boxing skill and tactical thinking. I think that version of Hopkins would give Joe problems, but the Joe of the same period punched harder and was more relentless. I think it would end the same - Joe on workrate with a close decision.

Conteh kicks the shit out of either of them.

ryanm8655

01-11-2010, 08:15 AM

But if you allow a prime super middleweight Calzaghe 24 hours to rehydrate you have to allow a prime lt heavyweight Conteh the same luxury and he'd be up around 190lbs on fight night. A same day weigh in would suit Calzaghe better, at least that would keep both fighters close to 175.

I'm looking at it the other way. Same day weigh ins. Maybe should consider both and who would win in both situations.

Someone like a prime conteh is the kind of fighter I wish Joe had fought so we could really see how good he was. I reckon he'd probably have lost but it would've been interesting to see how he came back from that.

EDIT: Why did John end up going to Serbia to fight Parlov? I've heard that he was robbed in that fight. He was the champion, why did he end up there?

Flea Man

01-11-2010, 08:20 AM

He really didn't.

Calzaghe jab is absolutely supreme, he did literally beat Ashira with his jab alone. Yes Ashira was poo, but he had been in title fights before.

Taking nothing away from Conteh, Calzaghe's jab was superior. It was faster, more accurate and has that snap to it, which you saw rocking Lacy's head back hundreds of times.

Conteh beat Ahumuda AND Yaqui Lopez with his jab (Lopez pretty much only with the jab) and neither of those fighters were 'poo' as you put it.

Calzaghe doesn't have a case here unless it's the later Conteh that turns up half cut:lol:

Flea Man

01-11-2010, 08:24 AM

Anyway, Boro Chris, Gaz and Icemax etc etc have touched on the same points as me.

On the rehydration issue; Conteh started as a Heavyweight and was once mooted as an opponent for mid-70's Ali, so I don't think weight is gonna be much of an issue :good

GazOC

01-11-2010, 08:26 AM

I'm looking at it the other way. Same day weigh ins. Maybe should consider both and who would win in both situations.

Someone like a prime conteh is the kind of fighter I wish Joe had fought so we could really see how good he was. I reckon he'd probably have lost but it would've been interesting to see how he came back from that.

I think no matter how its done the size advantage is always going to be with Conteh, its just a matter of degrees.

BTW is there a concensous (sp!) on what Calzaghes "prime" would be for this fight? The faster, harder hitting version that could make 168 pretty easily (say around the Brewer fight), the slower, smarter one that strugged at 168 (say the Kessler fight) or the version that had become a 175lb fighter (Hopkins)?

The Brewer version would def. sacrifice size to Conteh whereas the Kessler and Hopkins versions may have been bigger but had hand issues, didn't hit as hard and maybe a drop in workrate.

Flea Man

01-11-2010, 08:29 AM

Conteh was just flat out better IMO. Faced better opponents, this is his weight division, there both had problems in their careers but stylistically this figth fares Conteh. Whilst Joe might be able to step inside of Conteh's shots the Liverpudlian has more than enough 'oomph' to gain Calzaghes respect, and enough adaptibility to change up and keep Calzaghe guessing.

People will call me a hater (not true) but I'm just a realist; Conteh is being underrated here. The past prime version that fought Saad would have enough skill/movement/punch diversity (even with his badly damaged right hand) to outfox the past prime light heavy version of Joe that squeeked past Hopkins (had it 7-5, 114-113 with the KD) and Jones (well, we now know how shot he was and personally I feel Calzaghe let him off the hook)

As I say, weght isn't an issue as bigger men didn't bother Conteh, and if they did both have to weigh in on the same day I think 'Prime' Calzaghe would've been more than suited for a jump up to 175 (I think the Johnson match was on the cards in the early 00's, I'd say the later the better for Joe as he got more wiley and experienced as time went on)

Will

01-11-2010, 10:39 AM

Joe never made 168 easy! Killed himself everytime!

GazOC

01-11-2010, 10:45 AM

Joe never made 168 easy! Killed himself everytime!

I guarantee he made it easier for the Brewer fight than he did for the Kessler fight...;)

I've never been sure how hard it was for Calzaghe to make 168 esp. in the early days. He's always struck me as a fighter who liked to have a little moan whether it was injuries, his hands, the weight etc. I'm not not saying none of those problems existed, just that I think JC would complain about stuff that a lot of fighters just got on with.

threethirteen

01-11-2010, 10:51 AM

His dad said he was a hypochondriac with his injuries. It's clearly part of his persona: bullied child, felt overlooked in his era, was unwilling to step out of his comfort zone when it counted, was coddled by his promoter and, as soon as he realised what he'd been pissing away all those years, said promoter had a cry over it. The injuries tie into that poor hard done by little old Joe.

Fucked around on his ex-bird something chronic too.

I'm not not saying none of those problems existed, just that I think JC would complain about stuff that a lot of fighters just got on with.

turpinr

01-11-2010, 10:59 AM

Will

01-11-2010, 12:04 PM

His dad said he was a hypochondriac with his injuries. It's clearly part of his persona: bullied child, felt overlooked in his era, was unwilling to step out of his comfort zone when it counted, was coddled by his promoter and, as soon as he realised what he'd been pissing away all those years, said promoter had a cry over it. The injuries tie into that poor hard done by little old Joe.

Fucked around on his ex-bird something chronic too.

I would agree that there probably was a michael owen ellement to some of the injuries but the making weight thing I don't think so.

You've only got to see the size of him compared to other super middles. He was huge for the weight. Pavlik is the same. Absolutely murders himself to make the weight!

GazOC

01-11-2010, 12:09 PM

I thought Kessler looked significantly bigger than JC when they fought. Calzaghe would have looked a bigger than some of opponents because he was a natural 168lber and they were middleweights who'd moved up.

Flea Man

01-11-2010, 12:37 PM

Either way, Conteh held off demonic and beastly Light Heavys in Lopez and Saad, both better at the weight than Calzaghe. So the size is not an issue whichever way you look at it.

So its down to styles make fights. As I have already outlined, this favours Conteh too :good

Guy

01-11-2010, 03:01 PM

I certainly got my moneys worth in this thread.

I've come away with good idea how things would pan out between them and learnt a bit on the way through.

Cheers :good

Primadonna Kool

01-11-2010, 04:10 PM

He definitely did not. They were both content to play keepaway all night. It was competitive in the early going, but Hopkins' tendency to not take chances meant Roy was able to just pop out the jab and win on activity.

It was an awful fight and Roy looked awful in it. I can only presume you've looked at the scores rather than watched the fight to say something like that.

I'd consider the Hopkins that beat the piss out of Joppy to be pretty prime in terms of physical ability, boxing skill and tactical thinking. I think that version of Hopkins would give Joe problems, but the Joe of the same period punched harder and was more relentless. I think it would end the same - Joe on workrate with a close decision.

Conteh kicks the shit out of either of them.

Roy Jones made Hopkins look like a average fighter...

zfc

01-11-2010, 04:11 PM

I think the bigging up of Calzaghe is getting ridiculous now I have seen threads where people argue that Calzaghe could beat Michael Spinks at LHW when infact he would be destroyed and totally outclassed.

Calzaghe was good but he was never a genuine world class LHW in fact he never even got in the ring with a prime natural light heavy let alone a top class one.

Conteh would beat him comfortably as would another good British light heavy Dennis Andries.

Flea Man

01-11-2010, 05:16 PM

Andries? How do you see that panning out, stylistically?

Calzaghe vs Chris Finnegan is an interesting one. I honestly think the talks of Calzaghe vs Charles, Foster, Moore, Spinks are ludicrous, even if you 'move up' whichever version if Joe you feel is best equipped.

In my opinion, which is judged by watching footage of all (though obviously not much of Charles at light heavy) they're just different leagues, despite Calzaghe being a formidable proposition head to head for many a fighter. He has a style all of his own with several good attributes. Just not enough to offset the mind blowing attributes of some of the fighters that he has been matched with in hypothetical matchups, or ranked alongside in some peoples alltime lists.

A damn good fighter? Certainly. One of the all time greats? Not IMO though amongst the top ten Britosh fighters ever.

A hater? Well I went to Calzage-Kessler, cheered him on in every fight bar the Hopkins fight (who I was a bigger fan of though I scored it 114-113 to Calzaghe) and feel he is the 2nd best 168lber ever.

So I would say not.

zfc

01-11-2010, 06:11 PM

Andries? How do you see that panning out, stylistically?

I see Andries winning ugly and nullifying Joes better attributes.I think like any decent LHW Andries would walk through Joes punches and wouldn`t stand for that sticking the tongue out nonsense.

If Calzaghe was struggling so much to make SM why didn`t he go up to LH earlier when there was good fighters in that division?

My guess is that his O would have gone quite quickly.

Flea Man

01-11-2010, 06:14 PM

Yeah it would be an ugly fight.

Even as an admirer of his skills, Calzaghes excuses are on a par with Holyfield or Durans, except he can't match either of them for top class fighting.

threethirteen

01-11-2010, 06:20 PM

Roy Jones made Hopkins look like a average fighter...

Hopkins made Jones look pretty average that night too with his safety first fight plan.

Flea Man

01-11-2010, 06:22 PM

And beause Roy fought primarily one handed :good

LiamE

01-11-2010, 08:12 PM

I'm surprised at the number of posters who are judging Calzaghe better than Conteh at a weight that he only fought twice, and then against old men who both had him down in the first round. Conteh would win this fight by a country mile, and thats not rose tinted specs...Calzaghe never faced anyone as good as Conteh in his prime

Day before 168 and same day 175 are basically the same weight. The weight is a non issue. The had very similar height, reach and builds.

TFFP

01-11-2010, 08:18 PM

LiamE

01-11-2010, 08:44 PM

Dennis Andries :lol::lol::lol:

Go and watch the guy fight instead of spouting off nostalgia. Andries is a caveman fighter, he's a Jeff Lacy. No skills whatsoever. As if he's going to just outmuscle Calazaghe, thats not how you beat a guy with handspeed and volume.

Completely agree. I loved watching the guy fight, strong as an ox and so much heart but the guy was so crude its not even funny. I'm still thinking about Calzaghe vs Conteh tbh (I'm old enough to have actually seen both) but Andries vs Joe is a no brainer. Joe would Lacy him.

Farmboxer

01-12-2010, 12:16 AM

I would have to pick Calzaghe, but I liked Conteh a lot.

SeasideSlugger

01-12-2010, 05:30 AM

Conteh UD

Boro chris

01-12-2010, 06:27 AM

Oh Christ! Andries!?:patsch
Come on lets not be too damning on Calzaghe. He's a big step up in quality from Dennis. Way to quick and skilled.

Dan684

01-12-2010, 06:33 AM

Do any of you guys reckon you could take Joe in a fight ? I've been dreaming of it for some time now and I reckon he's probably one of those boxers I could really give it to outside the ropes :huh

Grant1

01-12-2010, 06:41 AM

I've been dreaming of it for some time now and I reckon he's probably one of those boxers I could really give it to outside the ropes :huh

You have issues.

Dan684

01-12-2010, 06:42 AM

:lol:

GazOC

01-12-2010, 08:38 AM

You have issues.

He has a title to defend as well, he's clearly setting his stall out to retain "Hater of the Year".

Grant1

01-12-2010, 08:40 AM

He has a title to defend as well, he's clearly setting his stall out to retain "Hater of the Year".

That was my initial thought.

But when I delved deeper it's nothing to do with that, he really does have issues.

Dan684

01-12-2010, 08:46 AM

:rofl Brilliant :good

ryanm8655

01-12-2010, 10:01 AM

China_hand_Joe

01-12-2010, 05:30 PM

Do any of you guys reckon you could take Joe in a fight ? I've been dreaming of it for some time now and I reckon he's probably one of those boxers I could really give it to outside the ropes :huh

Calzaghe's reflexes and natural hand/eye co-ordination would have made him a formidable opponent for just about anyone on the street, even if he'd never boxed in his life.

Joe is just one of those guys that has it all and is worthy of the envy of every other man in the world, with his looks, altheticism, charisma and handy intellect.

Flea Man

01-12-2010, 05:42 PM

Worst. Alias. Ever.

Either that or:

Most deluded. Wanker. Ever.

Lad.

Primadonna Kool

01-12-2010, 07:53 PM

Hopkins made Jones look pretty average that night too with his safety first fight plan.

No he did'nt...

Dan684

01-13-2010, 05:43 AM

Calzaghe's reflexes and natural hand/eye co-ordination would have made him a formidable opponent for just about anyone on the street, even if he'd never boxed in his life.

Joe is just one of those guys that has it all and is worthy of the envy of every other man in the world, with his looks, altheticism, charisma and handy intellect.

No Homo ????