WEC 46 Varner vs. Henderson Discussion Thread. SPOILERS

[sugarngold]

Let's discuss WEC tonight!

[sugarngold]

Hominick vs Caraway up next.

[Boyd]

hominick pulls off a nice one. anyone know who won the undercard fights.

[One Punch KO]

hominick pulls off a nice one. anyone know who won the undercard fights.

Here you go mate,

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[Nuke]

Brown of course looked impressive.

[Nuke]

Faber on his way out now.

[Nuke]

Alot of fights going the distance tonight, 6 out of 8 so far. That kinda pisses me off.

[IntentionalButt]

Brown of course looked impressive.

Yep. That Iranian guy who outpointed Dave Jansen, however, has to be the worst striker I've seen in MMA in a while. :lol: Jansen just couldn't deal with his strength and relentlessness...should have shot more (or built more combinations around his successful straight right).

[Boyd]

Here you go mate,

MMA Junkie RBR ([Only registered and activated users can see links])thanks bro.

[Boyd]

am i the only one that thinks henderson is a bit of a dick? i hope he gets whooped.

[Monoxide]

can't say i am a big fan of him either. especially with him and the religious stuff. Varner was kinda right. Henderson wasn't doing much before the submission. don't mind him too much though

[Club Fighter]

Fuck, I hate Varner so that guillotine was so pleasing to watch.

[Beebs]

Fuck, I hate Varner so that guillotine was so pleasing to watch.

What's wrong with Varner? He's just sort of non-descript if anything.

Really looking forward to Henderson vs Cerrone; I thought Cerrone won the first and I think he will win the rematch.

Henderson is just so damn tough to put away though.

[ravtrav]

Fuck, I hate Varner so that guillotine was so pleasing to watch.
After that phantom knee I lost respect for Varner.

[Beebs]

After that phantom knee I lost respect for Varner.

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It pretty clearly was not "phantom"

[Monoxide]

That knee landed no doubt. Can't say I am a big fan of Varner either. Guy should have tried to fight off the guillotine at least a little.

[IntentionalButt]

Every division in WEC is stacked.

Cerrone, Varner and Henderson will probably pass the LW title around for a while.

Bowles-Cruz will be excellent, and there are plenty of credible BW contenders for the winner.

Aldo-Faber will be out of this world, and there are plenty of credible FW contenders for the winner.

[jimmie]

Every division in WEC is stacked.

Cerrone, Varner and Henderson will probably pass the LW title around for a while.

Bowles-Cruz will be excellent, and there are plenty of credible BW contenders for the winner.

Aldo-Faber will be out of this world, and there are plenty of credible FW contenders for the winner.

Dude the thought of Faber-Aldo has my dick hard but not in a faggy way :yep I dont get Versus but dude ill break into someones house if I have to im not missing that fight.

[LB3000]

Dude the thought of Faber-Aldo has my dick hard but not in a faggy way :yep I dont get Versus but dude ill break into someones house if I have to im not missing that fight. I've read they are looking to put that fight on PPV.

[IntentionalButt]

I've read they are looking to put that fight on PPV.

No! :|

We've been spoiled on free top-notch cards, hopefully WEC stays the course.

[LB3000]

You can watch the FOTN (Campuzano vs Wheeler) on the Versus website. We didn't get to see much of Campuzano in his last fight as Page beat him quick. He seems like a talented young guy, one to keep an eye on.

[IntentionalButt]

You can watch the FOTN (Campuzano vs Wheeler) on the Versus website. We didn't get to see much of Campuzano in his last fight as Page beat him quick. He seems like a talented young guy, one to keep an eye on.

That's right, they mentioned that in the broadcast. Versus's website or WEC's. Thanks for the reminder.

[jimmie]

I've read they are looking to put that fight on PPV.

Ive never said this about a PPV but fuck I hope it is so I dont have to watch it a day later like I did Sundays WEC fights. Hopefully its only like 30 bucks but id honestly pay 50 for this fight. Hopefully Zuffa isnt reading this.

[Boyd]

What's wrong with Varner? He's just sort of non-descript if anything.

Really looking forward to Henderson vs Cerrone; I thought Cerrone won the first and I think he will win the rematch.

Henderson is just so damn tough to put away though.i think Cerrone will win the rematch too. i felt he won the first and can easily see where he let some rounds slip away.

[Club Fighter]

What's wrong with Varner? He's just sort of non-descript if anything.

I'm sorry, dude, but I'm not sure God has made a person that was easier to dislike. I remember hopin' Razor Rob creams him but unfortunately it wasn't to be. There's something about that fucker . . . but it ain't just me cuz everybody else in the world hates him, too. I just thought me and my boy from work were the only ones. I'm sure he's probably a good guy but . . . fuck him.

Really looking forward to Henderson vs Cerrone; I thought Cerrone won the first and I think he will win the rematch.

Henderson is just so damn tough to put away though.

So f'n true. So f'n true. The guy's fuckin' tough as nails and doesn't seem to get rattled or lose his resolve. It makes me thik that he could have gotten out of that guillotine he slapped on Varner. Anyway, Cowboy's my favorite WEC fighter so you know where my allegiance lies but shout out to Henderson regardless.

That knee landed no doubt. Can't say I am a big fan of Varner either. Guy should have tried to fight off the guillotine at least a little.

That is the way it appeared but I don't know if he had the tools to do it. I'm am of the opinion, though, that a man should never tap out due to a guillotine while standing. That usually means that he didn't run through all available options before callin' it quits. I'm not sayin' that's what happened here but . . .


P.S. UFC Fight Night 20 (Maynard vs. Diaz) is on tonight, fellas, just in case you forgot, 9pm EST on Spike.

[Nuke]

I'm not a Varner fan but I also don't hate the kid. That knee clearly landed but Cerrone (who I am a fan of) shouldn't have put him in a situation to end a fight like that. Remember guys Varner didn't make the rule and its in place for a reason.

[Beebs]

I'm sorry, dude, but I'm not sure God has made a person that was easier to dislike. I remember hopin' Razor Rob creams him but unfortunately it wasn't to be. There's something about that fucker . . . but it ain't just me cuz everybody else in the world hates him, too. I just thought me and my boy from work were the only ones. I'm sure he's probably a good guy but . . . fuck him.

Actually after his "I came to fight, he came to grapple" comment, I am not a huge Varner fan at the moment.

What a fucking stupid thing to say after a championship MMA fight, especially when you are shooting for takedowns.

[jimmie]

I'm sorry, dude, but I'm not sure God has made a person that was easier to dislike. I remember hopin' Razor Rob creams him but unfortunately it wasn't to be. There's something about that fucker . . . but it ain't just me cuz everybody else in the world hates him, too. I just thought me and my boy from work were the only ones. I'm sure he's probably a good guy but . . . fuck him.



So f'n true. So f'n true. The guy's fuckin' tough as nails and doesn't seem to get rattled or lose his resolve. It makes me thik that he could have gotten out of that guillotine he slapped on Varner. Anyway, Cowboy's my favorite WEC fighter so you know where my allegiance lies but shout out to Henderson regardless.



That is the way it appeared but I don't know if he had the tools to do it. I'm am of the opinion, though, that a man should never tap out due to a guillotine while standing. That usually means that he didn't run through all available options before callin' it quits. I'm not sayin' that's what happened here but . . .


P.S. UFC Fight Night 20 (Maynard vs. Diaz) is on tonight, fellas, just in case you forgot, 9pm EST on Spike.

I agree on the standing Guillotine I have no problem tapping to it ala Miletich-Renzo but do what Miletich did and atleast try to defend it like you said run through the options. This isnt like a Peruvian Neck Tie where there is little room to escape. I question heart when a experienced guy like that panics and taps to Guillotine.

[RUSKULL]

Cerrone beats Henderson or Varner.

[québecwarrior]

I agree on the standing Guillotine I have no problem tapping to it ala Miletich-Renzo but do what Miletich did and atleast try to defend it like you said run through the options. This isnt like a Peruvian Neck Tie where there is little room to escape. I question heart when a experienced guy like that panics and taps to Guillotine.
Lawler panicked vs Shields

[jimmie]

Lawler panicked vs Shields

Id have to watch that one agian.

[The Prodigy]

I agree on the standing Guillotine I have no problem tapping to it ala Miletich-Renzo but do what Miletich did and atleast try to defend it like you said run through the options. This isnt like a Peruvian Neck Tie where there is little room to escape. I question heart when a experienced guy like that panics and taps to Guillotine.

Henderson caught him with a great knee to the body just before he caught him in the guillotine, so I just assumed that the knee had winded Varner and he wasn't able to catch his breath and recover quick enough.

Henderson is great to watch but I detest all that religious bollocks he spouts, it just makes me want to see him get his ass kicked.

[(PimpThaSystem)]

I agree on the standing Guillotine I have no problem tapping to it ala Miletich-Renzo but do what Miletich did and atleast try to defend it like you said run through the options. This isnt like a Peruvian Neck Tie where there is little room to escape. I question heart when a experienced guy like that panics and taps to Guillotine.

Have you ever been choked out? Heart don't have much to do with it.

[jimmie]

Have you ever been choked out? Heart don't have much to do with it.

Ive been choked out numerous times and have choked people out numerous times. Im not saying ok just let yourself go to sleep but atleast try to defend the choke and IMO Varner didnt appear to try and defend it thats what low level white belts do. I think highly of Jamie Varner but its just my opinion that he gave almost no effort into escaping that Guillotine. You work so hard for your Championship arent you going to work to keep it ?

[(PimpThaSystem)]

Ive been choked out numerous times and have choked people out numerous times. Im not saying ok just let yourself go to sleep but atleast try to defend the choke and IMO Varner didnt appear to try and defend it thats what low level white belts do. I think highly of Jamie Varner but its just my opinion that he gave almost no effort into escaping that Guillotine. You work so hard for your Championship arent you going to work to keep it ?

Very true but I wouldn't go as far as questioning Varner's heart. Henderson had the choke as soon as he locked it up and I bet his grip is a whole lot tighter than anyone in your BJJ class. Varner was on his way out immediately. Outside of attempting a slam, it was either tap or lights out.

[Beebs]

Very true but I wouldn't go as far as questioning Varner's heart. Henderson had the choke as soon as he locked it up and I bet his grip is a whole lot tighter than anyone in your BJJ class. Varner was on his way out immediately. Outside of attempting a slam, it was either tap or lights out.

Not only that but a guillotine can be a lot different than other chokes; it can crank the neck very hard and cut be more of a trachea choke/pain sub than most other chokes.

When Fedor uses the RNC variation that is more of a trachea/air choke people tap almost immediately because of the pain and possible damage.

[jimmie]

Very true but I wouldn't go as far as questioning Varner's heart. Henderson had the choke as soon as he locked it up and I bet his grip is a whole lot tighter than anyone in your BJJ class. Varner was on his way out immediately. Outside of attempting a slam, it was either tap or lights out.

I agree with you and didnt wanna come off as disrespectful to Varner or even yourself. Just agian its my belief that he should have tried alittle more but agian I didnt actually feel the choke myself. The slam though is an option I wouldve or atleast I say I would have because it can break the grip alittle. Speaking of taking chokes I wonder WTF Henderson has in himself that makes him look like his heads being yanked off but he doesnt even consider tapping.

[IntentionalButt]

Do you compete professionally, jimmie?

[jimmie]

Do you compete professionally, jimmie?

No I do not why are you attempting to bash me ? :yep

[IntentionalButt]

No I do not why are you attempting to bash me ? :yep

No no no, just curious that you said you've both administered and been on the receiving end of chokeouts...were those in streetfights?

It's just that most real fights that I've witnessed or been involved in have ended on the feet (or, more precisely, with one person twitching on their back). Once you get me in a strong hold or on the ground period - my goose is cooked. :oops: Thankfully it only ever came to that a couple of times. Fast hands. :D

[jimmie]

No no no, just curious that you said you've both administered and been on the receiving end of chokeouts...were those in streetfights?

Na im not a streetfighter that crap is pointless. I practice BJJ at a school so of course ive have been tapped alot and made others tap alot. Trust me ive dished out a few Guillotines and felt them to among other things.

[jimmie]

No no no, just curious that you said you've both administered and been on the receiving end of chokeouts...were those in streetfights?

It's just that most real fights that I've witnessed or been involved in have ended on the feet (or, more precisely, with one person twitching on their back). Once you get me in a strong hold or on the ground period - my goose is cooked. :oops: Thankfully it only ever came to that a couple of times. Fast hands. :D

We gotta get you down to Baltimore to train with me man then you aint gotta worry about the ground anymore :good or maybe just alittle bit :yep

[(PimpThaSystem)]

I agree with you and didnt wanna come off as disrespectful to Varner or even yourself. Just agian its my belief that he should have tried alittle more but agian I didnt actually feel the choke myself. The slam though is an option I wouldve or atleast I say I would have because it can break the grip alittle. Speaking of taking chokes I wonder WTF Henderson has in himself that makes him look like his heads being yanked off but he doesnt even consider tapping.

His massive head of hair probably helps. I keep my own hair long because I find its easier to slip out of holds.

[jimmie]

His massive head of hair probably helps. I keep my own hair long because I find its easier to slip out of holds.

So you do BJJ ?

[(PimpThaSystem)]

So you do BJJ ?

Yeah I was going regularly for a while but I'm on hiatus because of money and school. I used to box too and I wrestled in high school. Nothins better than a good roll around though.

[IntentionalButt]

We gotta get you down to Baltimore to train with me man then you aint gotta worry about the ground anymore :good or maybe just alittle bit :yep

Hell yeah, even learning a good sprawl would improve my confidence going up against well-rounded guys. Strikers/brawlers are no problem but wrestlers (like HS regional champ level) have always been my poison. Besides, IB's overdue for a trip to Bmore...hopefully my Beaver Bucks at Hustler's Club haven't expired. :D

[Beebs]

I agree with you and didnt wanna come off as disrespectful to Varner or even yourself. Just agian its my belief that he should have tried alittle more but agian I didnt actually feel the choke myself. The slam though is an option I wouldve or atleast I say I would have because it can break the grip alittle. Speaking of taking chokes I wonder WTF Henderson has in himself that makes him look like his heads being yanked off but he doesnt even consider tapping.

I think there is absolutely room to wonder what happened to make him tap quickly without being disrespectful; I don't think that is disrespectful at all in the way you asked it.

[sugarngold]

Some guys are just harder to choke than others. It might be flexibility or just the way their anatomy fits together - but some sumbitches are just hard to choke out - mostly in regards to the guillotine and triangle choke. The other chokes (rear naked, etc) are usually resist-proof - meaning once they're locked in - it doesn't matter how high your pain threshold is - you're going to sleep.