Barrera's top 5 Mexican fighters of all time.

[Addie]

"To be a Mexican fighter you first have to be a warrior,'' says Barrera, which explains his exclusion of the slick-boxing Canto among his top five.

"Throw punches from the first bell to the last. It doesn't matter that you get hit as long as you land. That's why I put Olivares on my list. He was a typical Mexican fighter. He was always going forward looking for a knockouts. To me, the list is Salvador Sanchez, Chavez, Ruben Olivares, Vicente Saldivar and (Erik) Morales.''

1. Salvador Sanchez
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Ruben Olivares
4. Vicente Saldivar
5. Erik Morales

What are you thoughts on Barrera's list?

[Sayers]

Think Sanchez is way too high at number one, it is between Olivares and Chavez for me, think I am probably biaised giving JCC the nod. I worked out a rough top ten and actually have Barrera one place ahead of Morales. Doesnt surprise me that he regards him highly after their battles. The top 4 are all very close as the 5-7 and 8-10.

My work-in-progress top 5
EDIT: Added to make a work-in-progress top 10

1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Ruben Olivares
3. Vicente Saldivar
4. Salvador Sanchez
5. Miguel Canto
6. Baby Arizmendi
7. Carlos Zarate
8. Marcos Barrera
9. Eric Morales
10. Kid Azteca

Couldnt find space for Marquez or Lopez in the end and I feel Canto and Sanchez should be higher, but just cant work out how to make it happen.

[essexboy]

I can buy Sanchez as number one, in fact thats probably where I'd have him. Crammed alot of world class performances into his 23 years. Chavez, Olivares and Saldivar are all placed right. He obviously has alot of respect for Morales despite their rivalry, thats good to see.

[bodhi]

I wouldn´t have xpected him to think that highly of Morales given the dislike they have for each other. Fair guy it seems.

[Boxed Ears]

I wouldn´t have xpected him to think that highly of Morales given the dislike they have for each other. Fair guy it seems.

Me neither, but on the other hand that may be more for Barrera himself than Morales if you know what I mean, :yep

[red cobra]

Sanchez was the glittering jewel among the top Mexican greats...a fact lost somewhat on the fans who would choose Chavez. Sanchez was the best..a balanced, master boxer/puncher who was head and shoulder above his considerable competion. Yeah Chavez was great..really great, but Sanchez edges him out all around. And I disagree with MAB (a big favorite of mine) about the exclusion of Canto in his top 5,and he forgets that he opted to emulate, whether subconsciously or not, the great boxing master Miguel Canto in his greatest signature performance against Hamed. It was by boxing throughout, and sticking to the script, without the need for slugfest histrionics that enabled him to turn in one of the most masterful boxing lessons of all times in not only banishing Hamed, but redefining himself as a great fighter in his own right.

[WhataRock]

Thats not very fair on Canto IMO...if thats what Barerra is implying by his first quote.

He was a short arse little flyweight who routinely gave away several inches and went into the belly of the beast on many occasions...defending his title in Venezuela, Chile, Japan, the U.S etc. He made the best of what he with his short stature and lack of physical strength by being a highly skilled technician.

MAB also didnt exactly fight like a "warrior" against Manny in the rematch..or Juarez in the rematch..Nor really even against Naz, who he mostly boxed at range and on the backfoot.
No one is questioning Barerra's warrior heart (and rightly so)..why question Canto's for being a tactical and defensive master?

Edit: Didnt notice red cob already covered a lot of it anyway and I agree with you for the most part mate.

[Addie]

Thats not very fair on Canto IMO...if thats what Barerra is implying by his first quote.

He was a short arse little flyweight who routinely gave away several inches and went into the belly of the best on many occasions...defending his title in Venezuela, Chile, Japan, the U.S etc. He made the best of what he with his short stature and lack of physical strength by being a highly skilled technician.

MAB also didnt exactly fight like a "warrior" against Manny in the rematch..or Juarez in the rematch..Nor really even against Naz, who he mostly boxed at range and on the backfoot.
No one is questioning Barerra's warrior heart (and rightly so)..why question Canto's for being a tactical and defensive master?

Edit: Didnt notice red cob already covered a lot of it anyway and I agree with you for the most part mate.

...He just wasn't included among his top 5...and Marco didn't include himself either, probably for that very reason. I'm not a fan of his criteria, but at least he's consistent with it.

[WhataRock]

I think he is either just being modest or perhaps he was asked to put 5 fighters apart from him. Surely he would put himself above Erik.

I just am puzzled by that first quote...Who wrote that? Was that exactly what MAB was implying or did the author just make that assumption?

[Addie]

I think he is either just being modest or perhaps he was asked to put 5 fighters apart from him. Surely he would put himself above Erik.

I just am puzzled by that first quote...Who wrote that? Was that exactly what MAB was implying or did the author just make that assumption?

Before his third fight with Morales he declared that Erik was the best fighter in the world from Mexico. There is no evidence, on film or writing, to suggest Marco hated Morales. It was all one way traffic in that respect.

Barrera: "On the contrary, I admire him. Thanks to him, we both made our mark in Mexican Boxing history"

Morales: "I just treat people the way they treat me. He's a motherfucker, that's all".

[China_hand_Joe]

Canto wasn't amazing, very good, best at his weight during his prime years, with a pretty style.

That is the extent of his greatness though.

I know it, Barrera knows it.

Drop this Canto shit you all have going on, it is killing me.

[VX.Nefarious]

Canto should definitely be in there, i personally don't like the "warrior" style, i prefer a "tactical warrior" style i guess.

[PowerPuncher]

I like his Sanchez pick, always thought he'd be a Chavez fan with his reminicent style

[Addie]

I like his Sanchez pick, always thought he'd be a Chavez fan with his reminicent style

I read an old interview where did once claim that his favorites were Lopez and Chavez. That said, a lot can change over the course of 10-15 years.

[GPater11093]

I wouldn´t have xpected him to think that highly of Morales given the dislike they have for each other. Fair guy it seems.

Yet he leaves out Canto.

Thats not very fair on Canto IMO...if thats what Barerra is implying by his first quote.

He was a short arse little flyweight who routinely gave away several inches and went into the belly of the beast on many occasions...defending his title in Venezuela, Chile, Japan, the U.S etc. He made the best of what he with his short stature and lack of physical strength by being a highly skilled technician.

MAB also didnt exactly fight like a "warrior" against Manny in the rematch..or Juarez in the rematch..Nor really even against Naz, who he mostly boxed at range and on the backfoot.
No one is questioning Barerra's warrior heart (and rightly so)..why question Canto's for being a tactical and defensive master?

Edit: Didnt notice red cob already covered a lot of it anyway and I agree with you for the most part mate.

Excellant post

Before his third fight with Morales he declared that Erik was the best fighter in the world from Mexico. There is no evidence, on film or writing, to suggest Marco hated Morales. It was all one way traffic in that respect.

Barrera: "On the contrary, I admire him. Thanks to him, we both made our mark in Mexican Boxing history"

Morales: "I just treat people the way they treat me. He's a motherfucker, that's all".

Yeh Morales walked onto Barrera's face at speed.

[anarci]

Canto is not rated as high by alot of Mexican fight fans as compare to other Non Mexican fans. Doesnt surprise me that Barrera doesnt rate him in the top 5, in fact he barely cracks my top 10 mexican fighters list. Many Mexicans have Sanchez a close second to Chavez. In fact many including myself think he was probably better than Chavez but his resume isnt as long since he died so young. Im surprised Lopez isnt on his list. Id like to see Chavez list i know he has a very high opinion of Lopez and has said that he is glad they were not in the same weight class.

[Mantequilla]

I think age has a lot to do with things sometimes, when you are from the country in question lots of fans, tend to lean towards the favourites/best of their era.Ie...lots of younger Ricans rating Tito over Ortiz/Brits having Benn, calzaghe or hatton:lol: over someone like Buchanan etc..


MOst of the same fans that don't rate Canto, i bet wouldn't care much about Ricardo Lopez either if he had fought inthe 60s/70s espeically as he likely wouldn't have had the same longevity or unblemished record, plus maybe having little footage avialable.The little guys hardly ever get their due.

[anarci]

Yey but Ricardo Lopez is pretty well respected By Mexican Fans, more so than Canto. He could punch too which is very important to many Mexican fans.

[Bill Butcher]

"To be a Mexican fighter you first have to be a warrior,'' says Barrera, which explains his exclusion of the slick-boxing Canto among his top five.

"Throw punches from the first bell to the last. It doesn't matter that you get hit as long as you land. That's why I put Olivares on my list. He was a typical Mexican fighter. He was always going forward looking for a knockouts. To me, the list is Salvador Sanchez, Chavez, Ruben Olivares, Vicente Saldivar and (Erik) Morales.''

1. Salvador Sanchez
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Ruben Olivares
4. Vicente Saldivar
5. Erik Morales

What are you thoughts on Barrera's list?

Ive seen this before, I would have Chavez at no1 & it would be nice to think MAB put EM in there because he rates him that highly but what he might be trying to get across without saying it is `if Morales is top 5 then I should be top 4 because I beat him 2-1 but I cant put myself on the list`

In reality, I think its a bit of both.... despite the bad blood, I do think Barrera rates & respects Morales as a fighter, you only have to look at their 1st fight to know this MUST be true - both ways.

[Bill Butcher]

Before his third fight with Morales he declared that Erik was the best fighter in the world from Mexico. There is no evidence, on film or writing, to suggest Marco hated Morales. It was all one way traffic in that respect.

Barrera: "On the contrary, I admire him. Thanks to him, we both made our mark in Mexican Boxing history"

Morales: "I just treat people the way they treat me. He's a motherfucker, that's all".

:lol:

Addie, stop, your killing me here.

If you believe that Barrera didnt hate Morales just because he acts the nice guy in public then I think you are far more blinded by your love for MAB than I ever was for Morales - & according to most posters, that would be saying something.

Morales speaks how he feels on most subjects, Barrera acts the way he thinks a good sport should act until the heat of the moment, then his real character comes out.... dont get me wrong, Im not knocking him for having this mean streak - its needed in boxing to be successful - but he should just be honest.

Dont be fooled by his act just because he`s your fav fighter, he`s human like the rest of us & we all have both good & bad in us somewhere albeit on different levels.. eg. Ted Bundy & Jesus :good

[Bill Butcher]

I like his Sanchez pick, always thought he'd be a Chavez fan with his reminicent style

MAB & Sal are both from Mexico City + Chavez says he wanted Morales to win the 2nd Barrera fight.... I think Marco idolised JCC at that point & likely shed tears in bed at night.

[anarci]

MAB & Sal are both from Mexico City + Chavez says he wanted Morales to win the 2nd Barrera fight.... I think Marco idolised JCC at that point & likely shed tears in bed at night.:rofl:rofl:rofl Like your imagination:lol:

[Mantequilla]

What did you think of Jibaro Perez st Bantam, anarci?.He's a fighter i thought should have done more with his talent.He was a great combination puncher.From what i've heard he just wasn't dedicated after he won the title though, and his performances did drop off after his first handful of defences.

[anarci]

What did you think of Jibaro Perez st Bantam, anarci?.He's a fighter i thought should have done more with his talent.He was a great combination puncher.From what i've heard he just wasn't dedicated after he won the title though, and his performances did drop off after his first handful of defences.
Well i thought very highly of him for awhile he was ranked by KO in the top 10pfp , he was on my list too. Had great range freakishly tall for a bantam at 5-11 had some big wins against very good fighters like Canizales,Vasquez and the best one was against Miguel Lora. In fact he beat all those guys convincingly, i remember he beat Lora on the Undercard of Chavez vs Ramirez, at a time when Lora was considered a pfp guy and possibly even a great fighter. I though he could fight good from the outside and very good on the inside too for a tall guy. He seemed to slip alittle after moving up to JF and by the time he fought Chicanito he didnt impress at all anymore he was past it by then.

[samsuska]

i personally believe that sanchez, chavez, lopez have to be in a mexican top 5. as for the others i need to see more for an educated list.i firmly believe that barrera has an outrageous ego and by putting morales on the list he is really saluting himself. that is unexcusable, he is a great fighter and that is a pathetic cry for attention. if true i view the character of marco in a different light. still great fighter, he is just after the top 3 or 5 mexicans.

[anarci]

i personally believe that sanchez, chavez, lopez have to be in a mexican top 5. as for the others i need to see more for an educated list.i firmly believe that barrera has an outrageous ego and by putting morales on the list he is really saluting himself. that is unexcusable, he is a great fighter and that is a pathetic cry for attention. if true i view the character of marco in a different light. still great fighter, he is just after the top 3 or 5 mexicans. Actually i got Barrera around 5 or 6 id put him above Saldivar who he happedns to have above Barrera.
My list would look like this.
Chavez
Sanchez
Olivares-Lopez
Barrera
Morales
Zarate
Saldivar-Marquez
Canto
Arizmendi

I forgot about Marquez who is underrated in my opinion

[Addie]

:lol:

Addie, stop, your killing me here.

If you believe that Barrera didnt hate Morales just because he acts the nice guy in public then I think you are far more blinded by your love for MAB than I ever was for Morales - & according to most posters, that would be saying something.

Morales speaks how he feels on most subjects, Barrera acts the way he thinks a good sport should act until the heat of the moment, then his real character comes out.... dont get me wrong, Im not knocking him for having this mean streak - its needed in boxing to be successful - but he should just be honest.

Dont be fooled by his act just because he`s your fav fighter, he`s human like the rest of us & we all have both good & bad in us somewhere albeit on different levels.. eg. Ted Bundy & Jesus :good

Bill, I'm serious. There's not one peice of evidence to suggest Barrera hated or even disliked Morales. Hitting him after the bell, he did that with all the opponents who showed disrespect or hit him on the bell. Nothing special for Erik. Likewise, when Mckinney got in Barrera's face at a press conference he got the same treatment as Erik did. It was nothing personal for Marco.

Morales did countless interviews disrespecting Marco saying things like, "Why do we have to talk about that motherfucker. Let's talk about me". People actually blame Marco for the punch at the press conference but Morales was talking shit to Marco to his face, he got what he deserves. Straight up.

...Show me a peice of evidence to suggest Marco hated Erik.

[anarci]

I remember Marco calling Morales a " Tijuana Chuntarro" which pretty much translates to a Peasant Indian from lower level economics to put it nicely. Actually Chuntarro is more of an insult,in spanish it always comes out worst. They went back and forth a few times trading insults throughout their rivalry.

[GmoNavarro]

I like his Sanchez pick, always thought he'd be a Chavez fan with his reminicent style


They actually dont like that much each other, i posted a long time ago here in esb the situation in boxing here in mexico, there are 2 groups divided...if you want me to search my post and post it here again just let me know...

[Bill Butcher]

Bill, I'm serious. There's not one peice of evidence to suggest Barrera hated or even disliked Morales. Hitting him after the bell, he did that with all the opponents who showed disrespect or hit him on the bell. Nothing special for Erik. Likewise, when Mckinney got in Barrera's face at a press conference he got the same treatment as Erik did. It was nothing personal for Marco.

Morales did countless interviews disrespecting Marco saying things like, "Why do we have to talk about that motherfucker. Let's talk about me". People actually blame Marco for the punch at the press conference but Morales was talking shit to Marco to his face, he got what he deserves. Straight up.

...Show me a peice of evidence to suggest Marco hated Erik.

He called him an Indian (supposedly a racist thing in Mexico), waved him away after the decision in the 1st fight when Morales went over to congratulate him & thru bitterness, said afterwards that Morales `wasnt that good`

I would say that each one of those 3 things is enough to start some sort of grudge.

Dont forget the 2 1/2 years of crying about how the judges wronged him, completely taking the shine of Morales greatest victory.

Oh yes, this shit wasnt one sided, not by a long way... its just that Morales told how it was when asked.

[anarci]

They actually dont like that much each other, i posted a long time ago here in esb the situation in boxing here in mexico, there are 2 groups divided...if you want me to search my post and post it here again just let me know... If you can that would be an intresting post,seems some dont think there was a dislike but i remember them not liking eachother im assuming there is no love lost between the 2 to this day.

[anarci]

He called him an Indian (supposedly a racist thing in Mexico),. Calling someone an indian isnt to racist since most Mexicans have a lot of Indian blood, But calling one a Chuntarro is considered an insult Which is what Barrera called Morales. The feeling was that Barrera looked at Morales as Lower Class and Morales looked at Barrera as a snob. This escalated with the rivalry.

[GmoNavarro]

Here it is anarci, look that it might look racist between the same mexican people here in this country but it is like this...this is what i posted some time ago...

I am mexican an i live here in Mexico, let me tell you how i see the story here...

Casual fans have respect for both they like MAB but they like more EM(because of style, etc), people who dont follow boxing might not even know they hate each other so they like both, boxing fans like both but they prefer EM because of style also, some prefer MAB because he is from Mexico City but they dont hate EM, they also love to watch him fight and cheer for him... And now, HARDCORE FANS, prefer EM some of them even hate Barrera because of dirty tactics etc but this is the real reason a mexican hardcore fan prefer Eric... Believe me or not it is because of JCC-ODLH, a briefly introduce, Mexico is kind of divided in 2 very different kind of people, the north(starting from Sinaloa, Chihuahua, Durango, all the way to Tijuana) and the south (considered from Nayarit and below), people from the north dont like south people, they considered them stupid, midgits, stealers, and they considered most of them not friendly who always try to take advantage of people(wich is true, i have lived in both parts), people from the south is not that they dont like north people but they considered them agressive(because of the accent it looks like they are mad), mafia wiseguys, killers, drugdealers, etc so they are kind of afraid to them), so having this said JCC is from the north and he is the LEGEND so everybody loves him, well the problem starts here, JCC is close friend from EM as well as Jorge Arce and other fighters, when JCC lost to ODLH all Mexico turned to hate ODLH, plain and simple and then MAB started making business with the Golden Boy then most of the Hardcore fans turned in favor of JCC as well as EM, Arce, Margarito, etc, Montiel family went with MAB side so thats the reason Arce and Montiel dont like each other(both from Los Mochis), in each opportunity both have they talk shit about each other, Arce also talks shit about ODLH, so based on personalities JCC, Arce and EM are more friendly to people than MAB so thats why the hate for MAB adding he is from Mexico city, and people hating on MAB is like hating on ODLH and the same time supporting the EM and the north group...Just to add, north people dont hate south fighters, just MAB because of what i just explained, they have lots of respect for Finito, JMM, etc...

[GmoNavarro]

Here it is anarci, look that it might look racist between the same mexican people here in this country but it is like this...this is what i posted some time ago...

I am mexican an i live here in Mexico, let me tell you how i see the story here...

Casual fans have respect for both they like MAB but they like more EM(because of style, etc), people who dont follow boxing might not even know they hate each other so they like both, boxing fans like both but they prefer EM because of style also, some prefer MAB because he is from Mexico City but they dont hate EM, they also love to watch him fight and cheer for him... And now, HARDCORE FANS, prefer EM some of them even hate Barrera because of dirty tactics etc but this is the real reason a mexican hardcore fan prefer Eric... Believe me or not it is because of JCC-ODLH, a briefly introduce, Mexico is kind of divided in 2 very different kind of people, the north(starting from Sinaloa, Chihuahua, Durango, all the way to Tijuana) and the south (considered from Nayarit and below), people from the north dont like south people, they considered them stupid, midgits, stealers, and they considered most of them not friendly who always try to take advantage of people(wich is true, i have lived in both parts), people from the south is not that they dont like north people but they considered them agressive(because of the accent it looks like they are mad), mafia wiseguys, killers, drugdealers, etc so they are kind of afraid to them), so having this said JCC is from the north and he is the LEGEND so everybody loves him, well the problem starts here, JCC is close friend from EM as well as Jorge Arce and other fighters, when JCC lost to ODLH all Mexico turned to hate ODLH, plain and simple and then MAB started making business with the Golden Boy then most of the Hardcore fans turned in favor of JCC as well as EM, Arce, Margarito, etc, Montiel family went with MAB side so thats the reason Arce and Montiel dont like each other(both from Los Mochis), in each opportunity both have they talk shit about each other, Arce also talks shit about ODLH, so based on personalities JCC, Arce and EM are more friendly to people than MAB so thats why the hate for MAB adding he is from Mexico city, and people hating on MAB is like hating on ODLH and the same time supporting the EM and the north group...Just to add, north people dont hate south fighters, just MAB because of what i just explained, they have lots of respect for Finito, JMM, etc...

[anarci]

Good info :good Ive heard some of that before but not in detail like you explained.
I know what you are talking about with Oscar. Im Mexican/american and i see the dislike for Oscar by even people from his hometown(im from LA area), especially the Mexican Nationals. Id say even 1/2 of the Mex/americans dont like him never understood it, i got a few Oscar haters in my family, including my son:yep I happen to be a big fan and never understood it. I know lot of Mexicanos dont like him cause he beat there idol and his image doesnt sit well.

I think Oscar is more popular with Non Mexican fans than he is to even his own people(not counting the women) all my female family likes him:yep

[GmoNavarro]

Yeah i know what you mean, personally when he beat jcc i hated him for years and actually when i watched the tito-odlh fight i was rooting for tito but even i was rooting for tito i felt tito clearly lost the fight before the final announcement and after they said tito was the winner you really should had been in the place where i watched the fight, there were like 1000 people in the place(it was in mexico) and seriously all of them were rooting for tito..it was like a party everybody celebrating that oscar lost(including me) and after some time i started to appreciatte oscar and i turned into his fan, i think he did a lot for this sport, he tried to fight the best even he didnt win always he got mexican balls and nobody can denied that i like oscar now but here in mexico still 99% of the people hate him...lol...

[Bill Butcher]

Calling someone an indian isnt to racist since most Mexicans have a lot of Indian blood, But calling one a Chuntarro is considered an insult Which is what Barrera called Morales. The feeling was that Barrera looked at Morales as Lower Class and Morales looked at Barrera as a snob. This escalated with the rivalry.

Yes but not all Mexicans have Indian blood, Barrera doesnt, thats what he was meaning, as if Morales is lower than him because he has Indian blood & MAB doesnt.

[Addie]

Ok guys. I won't lie, a lot of this is new too me. Thanks for the info.

[anarci]

Yes but not all Mexicans have Indian blood, Barrera doesnt, thats what he was meaning, as if Morales is lower than him because he has Indian blood & MAB doesnt.:patsch Dude Barrera obviously has Indian blood in him. I find it kind a little irritating when someone from the other side of the World is trying to tell me about my culture. About 85% of Mexico is Mestizo which is a mixture of Spanish/Indian blood. There are some Pure looking Spaniards in Mexico but they are the minority,and Barrera is not a pure Spaniard.

How many Mexicans reside in your Community:huh

Morales obviously has more indian features thats what Barrera is talking about,hes also from a Poor background thats what Barrera is making referance too.
You probably have never even heard the meaning of a Chuntarro until I explained earlier right?

[Zopilote]

Most people from the north part of Mexico can't stand "chilangos" meaning people from Mexico City, since tthey feel that most chilangos think they're above everyone. Morales even said "Voy hacerle un favor a la patria, matando un chilango" Im going to do my country a favor and kill a chilango. Another thing i also notice about some people prefering MAB over Terrible is that Marco comes from a middle class background as Erik comes from a poor background. Most mexicans prefer the fighters from the poor more rugged backgrounds. Which ever way you look at it, the Barrera-Morales rivalry is my favorite boxing rivalry of all time, and its Mexicos greatest rivalry in this sport.

[Kush]

Here it is anarci, look that it might look racist between the same mexican people here in this country but it is like this...this is what i posted some time ago...

I am mexican an i live here in Mexico, let me tell you how i see the story here...

Casual fans have respect for both they like MAB but they like more EM(because of style, etc), people who dont follow boxing might not even know they hate each other so they like both, boxing fans like both but they prefer EM because of style also, some prefer MAB because he is from Mexico City but they dont hate EM, they also love to watch him fight and cheer for him... And now, HARDCORE FANS, prefer EM some of them even hate Barrera because of dirty tactics etc but this is the real reason a mexican hardcore fan prefer Eric... Believe me or not it is because of JCC-ODLH, a briefly introduce, Mexico is kind of divided in 2 very different kind of people, the north(starting from Sinaloa, Chihuahua, Durango, all the way to Tijuana) and the south (considered from Nayarit and below), people from the north dont like south people, they considered them stupid, midgits, stealers, and they considered most of them not friendly who always try to take advantage of people(wich is true, i have lived in both parts), people from the south is not that they dont like north people but they considered them agressive(because of the accent it looks like they are mad), mafia wiseguys, killers, drugdealers, etc so they are kind of afraid to them), so having this said JCC is from the north and he is the LEGEND so everybody loves him, well the problem starts here, JCC is close friend from EM as well as Jorge Arce and other fighters, when JCC lost to ODLH all Mexico turned to hate ODLH, plain and simple and then MAB started making business with the Golden Boy then most of the Hardcore fans turned in favor of JCC as well as EM, Arce, Margarito, etc, Montiel family went with MAB side so thats the reason Arce and Montiel dont like each other(both from Los Mochis), in each opportunity both have they talk shit about each other, Arce also talks shit about ODLH, so based on personalities JCC, Arce and EM are more friendly to people than MAB so thats why the hate for MAB adding he is from Mexico city, and people hating on MAB is like hating on ODLH and the same time supporting the EM and the north group...Just to add, north people dont hate south fighters, just MAB because of what i just explained, they have lots of respect for Finito, JMM, etc...

You might be right because my dislike for Barrera began when he started working with Oscar De La Panties.

[Bill Butcher]

:patsch Dude Barrera obviously has Indian blood in him. I find it kind a little irritating when someone from the other side of the World is trying to tell me about my culture. About 85% of Mexico is Mestizo which is a mixture of Spanish/Indian blood. There are some Pure looking Spaniards in Mexico but they are the minority,and Barrera is not a pure Spaniard.

How many Mexicans reside in your Community:huh

Morales obviously has more indian features thats what Barrera is talking about,hes also from a Poor background thats what Barrera is making referance too.
You probably have never even heard the meaning of a Chuntarro until I explained earlier right?

Your right on all accounts, I only mentioned something that I read back around the time of their 2nd fight, probably picked it up a little wrong but they did make a big deal about the `Indian` thing.

Anyway, no Mexicans, Indians or even `Chuntarro`s were I live so lets move on.

[anarci]

Most people from the north part of Mexico can't stand "chilangos" meaning people from Mexico City, since tthey feel that most chilangos think they're above everyone. Morales even said "Voy hacerle un favor a la patria, matando un chilango" Im going to do my country a favor and kill a chilango. Another thing i also notice about some people prefering MAB over Terrible is that Marco comes from a middle class background as Erik comes from a poor background. Most mexicans prefer the fighters from the poor more rugged backgrounds. Which ever way you look at it, the Barrera-Morales rivalry is my favorite boxing rivalry of all time, and its Mexicos greatest rivalry in this sport. True i went to the FIRST Morales/Barrera fight me and my friends were kind of split(i was going for Barrera Since i had seen most of his fights at the forum and followed him on the way up). However majority of the Crowd(mostly Mexican) was going for Morales id say his fans outnumbered Barreras about 2to 1.

[eliqueiros]

I agree with Sanchez being at the top. The man was just amazing to watch, very graceful, and his punches so quick and crisp. Chavez has the longevity but there's no doubt in my mind that Sanchez would have upstaged him. Damn, he left behind a great fight legacy in the short time he was with us. I watch Chavez fights for a good scrap, I watch Sanchez fights when I want to see something beautiful.

[Zopilote]

Can we all agree that Salvador Sanchez was the most complete mexican fighter theres ever been?

[kidargentine]

Julio Cesar Chavez was the Greatest by far...

Sal was more complete, but unfortunatley died before he could meet his true potential.

Ruben Olivares was just a Badass, definitley my favorite Mexican Fighter by a mile!

[anarci]

In my opinion Sanchez would have been even greater than Chavez if he didnt die so young. However I have to rate Chavez higher since Sanchez wasnt around long enough, Although i cant think of any other fighters that had a better resume by the age of 23.

[Axl_Nose]

:lol:

Addie, stop, your killing me here.

If you believe that Barrera didnt hate Morales just because he acts the nice guy in public then I think you are far more blinded by your love for MAB than I ever was for Morales - & according to most posters, that would be saying something.

Morales speaks how he feels on most subjects, Barrera acts the way he thinks a good sport should act until the heat of the moment, then his real character comes out.... dont get me wrong, Im not knocking him for having this mean streak - its needed in boxing to be successful - but he should just be honest.

Dont be fooled by his act just because he`s your fav fighter, he`s human like the rest of us & we all have both good & bad in us somewhere albeit on different levels.. eg. Ted Bundy & Jesus :good

Loving how you got Ted Bundy and Jesus in the same sentence, that has to be the first time in history that has happened and full props to 'The Butcher' for doing it ....

Recently read a book on Bundy by Ann Rule called 'The Stranger Beside Me', Ted Bundy was a bad dude ..

As for Mexican fighters, im a huge fan of Morales and Barerra .. Morales and Sanchez are my favourite Mexicans, but i'd say Barerra edges Morales and quite possibly Ricardo Lopez edges Barerra .... Weres the love for Lopez, he was a phenemonal fighter and too often under-rated ....

[anarci]

Loving how you got Ted Bundy and Jesus in the same sentence, that has to be the first time in history that has happened and full props to 'The Butcher' for doing it ....

Recently read a book on Bundy by Ann Rule called 'The Stranger Beside Me', Ted Bundy was a bad dude ..

As for Mexican fighters, im a huge fan of Morales and Barerra .. Morales and Sanchez are my favourite Mexicans, but i'd say Barerra edges Morales and quite possibly Ricardo Lopez edges Barerra .... Weres the love for Lopez, he was a phenemonal fighter and too often under-rated .... Hang around here long enough and you'll see that I like Lopez almost as much as Addie is in love with Barrera:lol: Or Butcher with Morales.