Hardest P4P puncher ever

[cross_trainer]

This has already been asked in the Classic section many times.

What does the General forum think?

[Astola]

I remember Ali stating that he was hit so hard that it actually shook his kinfolk back in Africa. Cant remember who he was talking about though....

But it's funny:D

[miamite]

He was talking about Shavers.

[Rollo]

I remember Ali stating that he was hit so hard that it actually shook his kinfolk back in Africa. Cant remember who he was talking about though....

But it's funny:D

It was Shavers.

[Astola]

He was talking about Shavers.

Oh. i'll give it to him then.

Thanks.:good

[miamite]

You know, many people think Shavers, or heavyweights in general should be out of the equation when determining power p4p. But look at it this way. Julian Jackson will probably be the most popular name in this thread. He fought at 160. Earnie Shavers was probably about 210 at his best. That means he had about 30% more body mass then Jackson. Do you think that Shavers, as a heavyweight, punched 30% harder than Jackson, who was a middleweight?

[iceman]

This has already been asked in the Classic section many times.

What does the General forum think?

Kelly Pavlik.Thread over

[box03]

Julian Jackson, the guy was a monster puncher, sometimes he would hit an oppenent with his right hand and just would walk away before you even hit the canvas. He was the Barry Bonds of boxing, his right hand was homerun.

[brooklyn1550]

Julian Jackson

[Astola]

Ottke


Almost forgot abuot this one. I have him tied with Bergeron.:blood

[Astola]

I'm gonna tell Bergeron where you live man

Please do. I want to meet the good looking fella'....:lol:

[rydersonthestorm]

I like julian jackson, and prince naseem (didn't have the boxing skills to beat barrera but for a 126 pounder he could bang), wilfredo gomez another small guy who could bang.

[kg0208]

Jackson, McClellan, and Benn of recent memory.

Fitzsimmons had monstrous power from the old school.

[Brickhaus]

Of guys in recent memory, Julian Jackson, Khaosai Galaxy, Gerald McClellan. Can't really go before the late 80's though.

[kg0208]

Of guys in recent memory, Julian Jackson, Khaosai Galaxy, Gerald McClellan. Can't really go before the late 80's though.

I forgot Galaxy....and Hamed too.

[Claypole]

OttkeIndeed. He used to hit guys so hard they often claimed they didn't even feel it.
Some had their brains so scrambled by his power that they would ramble on incoherently about how Ottke cheated, the ref was biased and the judges were bribed.
His punches were so concussive they used to leave perfectly decent fighters fuzzy with the ridiculous idea they had actually won the fight!
Sven Ottke relied too much on this power, without it he would have been nothing...

[fadeintobolivia]

In relation to his bodyweight of only 185 lb Rocky Marciano must be the hardest p4p puncher ever i think his punching power was up their with Tyson
Foreman Shavers Lewis and Liston.

[MJRJJ23]

One small thing some people seem to forget is the gloves boxers use these days are much better in quality and padded much better than the old days. so a boxer such as Marciano might not have been as powerful if he had used gloves used of today. Not taking anything away from marciano though he probably could've knocked someone out with 10IB pillows on his hand, just a thought anyway

[MagnificentMatt]

Jesus Chavez, Hearns, Hagler, Naz, respect the lower classes too ;-).


Tua. :-)

[Cachibatches]

Wilfredo Gomez.

[KhanB]

Pleeze. Everyone knows Pavlik can kill you with one punch.

[cross_trainer]

I'm gonna tell Bergeron where you live man

You do realize that Bergeron has gained a lot of genuine fans from our light-hearted humor, don't you? The whole forum is going to be rooting for him when his next fight comes around.

And he WILL gain the undisputed championship. Just watch.

[Jersey Boxer]

Kelly Pavlik.Thread over

geez...

what would this thread be w/out a Pavlik mention...

and no he's not the hardest puncher P4P...

[iceman]

[quote=Jersey Boxer]geez...

what would this thread be w/out a Pavlik mention...


and hence the sarcasm

[o_money]

p4p, probably marciano

but i bet there is some little guy that i haven't herd of or something that p4p hits harder then everyone else.

[Toopretty]

[quote=Jersey Boxer]geez...

what would this thread be w/out a Pavlik mention...


and hence the sarcasm

I bet..this thread was bait for the newly formed Kelly Pavlik coalition of the willing. I guess we need to weed out the boxing fans from the Pavlik worshippers

[Blacc Jesus]

Julian Jackson

[gambleer]

I don't know how people forgot to mention Acelino Freitas.

[Mrvooh]

Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris ( Trainer did not confine this to boxing )

[cross_trainer]

Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris ( Trainer did not confine this to boxing )

I don't believe that either of these guys would qualify, clever though their inclusion was. :D

[Mind Reader]

Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris ( Trainer did not confine this to boxing )

Don't think so!:rofl

[brooklyn1550]

Stanley Ketchel has to be up there

[MSTR]

Julian Jackson
I'll second that. Having that sort of power at middleweight is much more impressive IMO then being a big puncher at heavy. It is far less common.

[teetop]

It's a hard thing to come up with the best p4p puncher ever, but if
you have to pick a winner based on the opponents reaction to the punch and the split second turn on a dime fight changing in an instant
power. Then the winner is w/out question julian jackson. He could take
a full steam ahead fighter and put them to sleep with 1 quick punch.
No one had that kind of take your life power except maybe shavers, but
still not w/ the devastation that JJ did.

[Caper]

That I've actually seen fight

Julian Jackson
Wilfredo Gomez
Cory Sanders
Mike Tyson
George Forman
Tommy Hearns


Recently guys like Pavlik and Cintron has shown incredible pop.

[Boinko]

This is such a hard question to answer as there are so many candidates. But, having watched some of Julian Jackson's fights on Youtube lately, I'm leaning towards him as well.
That right hand was absolutely frightening.

[Caper]

I've seen clips of many fighters from past generations but I have not seen enough to actually state claim on them. Guys like Stanley, Fitz, Shavers, even Marciano....havent seen enough of them. I need to catch up on my classic dvd's I've seen about 15 Ray Robinson fights and Joe Louis....they hit like trucks when the wanted to but every punch was not meant to hurt more like set up the hurting. :yep

[He Hate Me]

Julian Jackson

and primed tyson.

[chimba]

He asked pound for pound.

Anyways, I'd say Jimmy Wilde, overrated as I think he is.

The one Pancho defeated?

[mattress]

Gerald McClellan, Nigel Benn and Tommy Hearns...P4P.

[samita]

Foreman and Naseem Hamed

[booklord]

I read something once where a guy described three types of power punchers. I'd give credit, but I don't remember who wrote it. Here is the gist of what he wrote......

Speed Punchers: Mike Tyson, Jermain Taylor
This boxers throw fast punches and that speed translates to power. They're dangerous and can deliver the most power punches in the shortest amount of time but they sometimes have stanima problems maintaining the speed that gives them their power throughout a fight.

Focus punchers: Edison Miranda
These fighters put every ounce of strength they have into their punches. They hit the hardest. But not all their punches have their full power and if they're not set ( such as being forced to fight going backwards) then they can't utilize their power at all.

Heavy Hands: Kelly Pavlik
These fighters through their size and conditioning throw hard punches with every shot. While not the hardest puncher, they consistently throw very hard punches throughout the fight resulting in an accumulative effect that is often devastating.

[Danny]

It's hard to just pick one, but I reckon John Mugabi is right up there with the best of them.

Mugabi was a monsterous puncher. The late & great trainer George Francis once said Mugabi was the hardest puncher he had ever trained. Remember, Francis trained many, many fighters during his life,.

[Glove Up]

I'll second that. Having that sort of power at middleweight is much more impressive IMO then being a big puncher at heavy. It is far less common.

I third that :good

[bigG]

id go for jackson, benn, mclelland and hamed......of the heavyweights, for saheer power mind, not ability...surprised nobodys named frank bruno......if frank caught you right you were in queer street.......i read a great quote about the difference between getting hit by fast punches or big clubbing punches...it was from a guy who had fought joe frazier and george foreman....he was asked who hit harder and replied...getting hit by joe frazier is like getting hit by a little pontiac doin 90mph, and getting hit by george foreman is like getting hit by a big caddilac doin 50mph.....they both gonna knock you over!!

[klion22]

One small thing some people seem to forget is the gloves boxers use these days are much better in quality and padded much better than the old days. so a boxer such as Marciano might not have been as powerful if he had used gloves used of today. Not taking anything away from marciano though he probably could've knocked someone out with 10IB pillows on his hand, just a thought anyway

Good point about the gloves.

[Black Eyes To You]

the hawk no doubt

[knockout]

Foreman.

[Butch Coolidge]

I think Archie Moore has the most recorded KO victories.

[Sdt]

Yvon Durelle could really bang

[cardstars]

I only saw one mention of Hagler in this thread. When he chose to brawl he had some pretty scary power.....from both hands too