BJJ or Judo?

[joe6991]

hi guys, i'm going to join the police soon and i was wondering which martial art would be better from a hold and restrain point of view. Bearing in mind that i would have to use minimal force with no striking.

[One Punch KO]

Judo.

BJJ is mainly concerned with fighting on the ground, and you will want to be able to control people from a standing position.

[theHawtness]

Aikido.

[karatekid530]

judo and you might consider dabbling in something like krav maga in case shit hits the fan. otherwise there's always the obvious choices like boxing/muay thai/etc for when restraint just doesn't work. and if you take judo make sure to learn it politely, and to learn it to make someone hurt like hell. there's a difference between politely putting a friendly guy on the ground, and breaking bones putting a d-bag on the ground ya know?

[ufoalf]

Wrestling if you can find a school.
Judo is good but to be honest their teaching method sucks and slow progression from what I've seen. Too many throws and not enough actual ground control work. For a newbie you won't get half decent center of gravity on the ground for a year. So, I'd say check it out and see if that suits you before signing up.

[Sloth]

If you can find a school, go with Sambo. This will cover standing, and ground.

[Koa]

Mmm, the most dangerous position you will ever find yourself in as a cop, is if you lose control of someone and they get their hands on you.. Judo lends itself to this situation better than most disciplines.. Its not like wrestling, that lends itself to huge amounts of strength and and explosiveness.. But, it lends itself to quickness, leverage and proper technique.

You don't need freak strength to do well in Judo.. But, the progression does tend to be slower as ufoalf said. If your a naturally strong guy, maybe wrestling is the better one for you.

[MaliSlamusrex]

Judo.

[québecwarrior]

Wrestling or Judo

I'm gonna be a police officer myself and train in wrestling now.
Much better training than what they give to us in college

[chimba]

Aikido.


Actually this aint bad:lol:

[Nosbor]

Don't most Police departments have pipelines for training of this nature? Whether it be specific police combatives training that one would receive in basic training or affilliations with local grappling clubs where officers/potential officers may get part of their trainings subsidized. I would say talk to your recruiter. He/she should be able to help.

For what it is worth, I technically train BJJ but our instructors incorporate many judo and wrestling techniques into their respective lesson plans. So in my opinion a good BJJ academy will also give you a foundation in judo and wrestling. This is not the case in strict judo dojo's or wrestling clubs.

Other academy members often have much experience in other disciplines and are glad to work with you after class on anything that you wish.

Good Luck:

[Beebs]

So in my opinion a good BJJ academy will also give you a foundation in judo and wrestling. This is not the case in strict judo dojo's or wrestling clubs.

I'm not quite sure I understand you; judo and wrestling will both give you a pretty good base to start from in BJJ. Maybe I'm misreading you and you're saying that you don't train BJJ techniques in judo or wrestling schools where you do train judo and wrestling techniques in bjj schools, which I would kind of agree with for wrestling at least. In judo though you should spend at least some degree of time training on the ground, "newaza," which is generally similar to BJJ.

As for the original post, I think either one will do just fine, both will give you ample training; BJJ will make you more technically sound on the ground while Judo will make you more technically sound on the feet, but both should absolutely provide enough of both to be better technically than anybody you run across on the street.

Obviously you aren't going to be getting into too many grappling matches, I hope, but it can't hurt. Also it will keep you physically fit and give you an outlet, so even if you don't use the techniques you will still benefit from it.

[Nosbor]

I'm not quite sure I understand you; judo and wrestling will both give you a pretty good base to start from in BJJ. Maybe I'm misreading you and you're saying that you don't train BJJ techniques in judo or wrestling schools where you do train judo and wrestling techniques in bjj schools, which I would kind of agree with for wrestling at least. In judo though you should spend at least some degree of time training on the ground, "newaza," which is generally similar to BJJ.

As for the original post, I think either one will do just fine, both will give you ample training; BJJ will make you more technically sound on the ground while Judo will make you more technically sound on the feet, but both should absolutely provide enough of both to be better technically than anybody you run across on the street.

Obviously you aren't going to be getting into too many grappling matches, I hope, but it can't hurt. Also it will keep you physically fit and give you an outlet, so even if you don't use the techniques you will still benefit from it.

"you don't rrain BJJ techniques in judo or wrestling schools"

That was the crux of my commentary.

[safe_pa]

Aikido.

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[sugarngold]

They're both solid arts - but the emphasis in judo is on throwing whereas the strength in jiujitsu lies in the variety of submissions and being able to fight off one's back. I would say study both if you can - but either one is good.

[TKDfighterJoe]

"you don't rrain BJJ techniques in judo or wrestling schools"

That was the crux of my commentary.I think beebs is saying that Judo has a well-developed newaza curriculum which is Jiu-jitsu in a sense.

In my opinion Training at a Judo dojo would be the closest thing to 'training JJ and Judo', whereas a BJJ school would be more lacking in throws than a Judo dojo would be lacking in ground game.

But im not the highest athority here on the subject, others seem to feel judo has slow progression.

[PUMPERG]

How about learning guerilla jui jitsui they combined judo wit jui jitsui. Dave camarillo started it!! You tube him

[Half-Dane]

Judo

As a cop I think you want to be standing and have your suspect on the ground ASAP

[tri-pod]

Just be like all the other cops and tazer the shit out of people before it gets physical.

That or Judo might better suit you. :D

[Nosbor]

I think beebs is saying that Judo has a well-developed newaza curriculum which is Jiu-jitsu in a sense.

In my opinion Training at a Judo dojo would be the closest thing to 'training JJ and Judo', whereas a BJJ school would be more lacking in throws than a Judo dojo would be lacking in ground game.

But im not the highest athority here on the subject, others seem to feel judo has slow progression.

I do not mean to come off like a jerk but judo newaza basically sucks. I can recall at least a dozen examples of guys who came into the BJJ/grappling academy where I train that had judo black belts, a couple even got theirs in Japan and they had the ground work of a new blue belt in BJJ.

When judo playsers hit the mat the uki immediately turtles up and tori is given like 15 seconds to accomplish something or they are stood up, YUK, simply awfull...

And before someone chimes in. NO, they were not Olympic/elite World or even National level judokas. Those guys are more in line with high level BJJ blue belts.

[TKDfighterJoe]

I do not mean to come off like a jerk but judo newaza basically sucks. I can recall at least a dozen examples of guys who came into the BJJ/grappling academy where I train that had judo black belts, a couple even got theirs in Japan and they had the ground work of a new blue belt in BJJ.

When judo playsers hit the mat the uki immediately turtles up and tori is given like 15 seconds to accomplish something or they are stood up, YUK, simply awfull...

And before someone chimes in. NO, they were not Olympic/elite World or even National level judokas. Those guys are more in line with high level BJJ blue belts.well it certainly sounds like the amatuer judokas newaza will be outdone by an amatuer who focuses only BJJ.

also, is there a technical reason who judo newaza sucks? a bad technique, weakness, flaw, etc....?

Because I watched the olympic judo team working out and I imagine as soon as their hands grabbed onto my gi I would be as good as dead.

[Nosbor]

well it certainly sounds like the amatuer judokas newaza will be outdone by an amatuer who focuses only BJJ.

also, is there a technical reason who judo newaza sucks? a bad technique, weakness, flaw, etc....?

Because I watched the olympic judo team working out and I imagine as soon as their hands grabbed onto my gi I would be as good as dead.

Judo players simply do not do enough ground work/newaza. The scoring criterion and limited time to accomplish anything while on the ground, lend itself to a comparitively weaker ground game. As I mentioned previously: Most judo matched that hit the ground, ippon(s) aside, wind up with the top player trying to attack an arm from the bottom player, who is clamped up tight in a turtled position/guard.

[TKDfighterJoe]

Judo players simply do not do enough ground work/newaza. The scoring criterion and limited time to accomplish anything while on the ground, lend itself to a comparitively weaker ground game. As I mentioned previously: Most judo matched that hit the ground, ippon(s) aside, wind up with the top player trying to attack an arm from the bottom player, who is clamped up tight in a turtled position/guard.'Judo players do not practice enough newaza' =/= 'Judos' newaza sucks'

just to clarify what Im talking about

[cloud_cyc]

muai thai will make you look cool while kicking ass

[evalistinho]

quick question: How well rounded would someone be if he knew boxing and BJJ?

[ufoalf]

quick question: How well rounded would someone be if he knew boxing and BJJ?

Fairly well. I'd say you'd be ahead of 99% of most people you see everyday. Grappling + striking always gives good "roundedness". Especially for non competitive people.

[cryptic]

i would rather be scared to be taken down but yet confident on the ground

as opposed to

being confident on my feet and having no confidence on the ground

cops usually carry batons while on the feet so they are usually 'invincible' on foot

guess which one i prefer

[Hrak]

For a cop I would say Judo, I think it's the best martial art to always keep you on your feet, the hip strength you develop from Judo can not be matched via any other martial art.

[Dave_j1985]

BJJ, gi and no gi classes because there won't always be a lapel to grip on the street like in judo competition. I don't know of any judo schools that offer no gi classes.

[Wilhelm]

I do not mean to come off like a jerk but judo newaza basically sucks. I can recall at least a dozen examples of guys who came into the BJJ/grappling academy where I train that had judo black belts, a couple even got theirs in Japan and they had the ground work of a new blue belt in BJJ.

When judo playsers hit the mat the uki immediately turtles up and tori is given like 15 seconds to accomplish something or they are stood up, YUK, simply awfull...

And before someone chimes in. NO, they were not Olympic/elite World or even National level judokas. Those guys are more in line with high level BJJ blue belts.


Yeah, that makes perfect sense actually. They spend way less time working specifically on ground work, so they're not as proficient at it. I think most BJJ blue belts know plenty of subs with good technique to whip the vast majority of people on the ground and also have great throws and balance. That sounds like the perfect mix to me and is not at all a detraction from judo.

[joe6991]

thanks for the advice guys, looks like judo might be the way to go and seeing as there is a judo gym clser than a BJJ one i'll look in to it

[Half-Dane]

Judo players simply do not do enough ground work/newaza. The scoring criterion and limited time to accomplish anything while on the ground, lend itself to a comparitively weaker ground game. As I mentioned previously: Most judo matched that hit the ground, ippon(s) aside, wind up with the top player trying to attack an arm from the bottom player, who is clamped up tight in a turtled position/guard.

Now you're talking sports and not martial art adapted to handle physical confrontation in the line of duty. I'm sure the police academy will teach the most useful techniques to handle the most common situations but good stand up judo will certainly improve your chances of putting the suspect to the ground in order to cuff him. It's the most useful skill compared with the time you have to put into it. BJJ is better for taking your opponent out while on the ground and that might save your ass some day but you would want to avoid even being in that situation by all means possible.