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BITCH ASS
10-01-2007, 09:58 PM
beat the fuck out of Kessler.

What does Kessler bring to the table? He'll get backed up and knocked out.

Taylor would school Kessler.

Kessler has overrated power and brings nothing to the table except for a 1-2.

Pavlik probably has reach and height on him too.

Kessler isn't that special.

Lance_Uppercut
10-01-2007, 10:01 PM
Very doubtful. If he beat him, it wouldn't be easy.

BITCH ASS
10-01-2007, 10:02 PM
Very doubtful. If he beat him, it wouldn't be easy.

It wouldn't be easy, but eventually Kessler would be backed up into a corner and knocked out.

Who has Kessler even fought?

Honestly, I think the supermiddleweight division is overrated.

Jersey Boxer
10-01-2007, 10:04 PM
kessler got a 1-2, pavlik got a 1-2(what shoock taylor), every boxer got a 1-2 thats the basic combo u learn in the amaturs...anyway, kessler is not as weak as u think, everyone nuthuggs pavlik b'c he just beat taylor, hell I even did it, but reality is every fighter is a new challange, u cant just say that one fighter is gonna get f'ed up by another b'c of their previous records and what u think u saw on tv, kessler is a tough cookie and would pose a difficult challange to pavlik...IMO

Mrvooh
10-01-2007, 10:05 PM
It wouldn't be easy, but eventually Kessler would be backed up into a corner and knocked out.

Who has Kessler even fought?

Honestly, I think the supermiddleweight division is overrated. Alot of fans will disagree with that

Shotgun
10-01-2007, 10:11 PM
Kessler outbox both of them decisively. He is a lot more refined and fundamentally sound than Taylor with at least as much athletic ability and better stamina. He doesn't have great power but neither does Taylor and he still had Pavlik on queer street. What category is Taylor superior to Kessler in? I think Kessler is overrated to a degree but he has better skills and more physical talent than Taylor and Pavlik

Caliboxing
10-01-2007, 10:11 PM
Kessler doesn't have much head movement and that means he can get hurt by a good right hand.

Shotgun
10-01-2007, 10:13 PM
It wouldn't be easy, but eventually Kessler would be backed up into a corner and knocked out.

Who has Kessler even fought?

Honestly, I think the supermiddleweight division is overrated.

Who had Pavlik fought before last night? Kessler doesn't have a great resume but he has the style and physical ability to defeat Pavlik decisively. A resume doesn't win you fights

BITCH ASS
10-01-2007, 10:13 PM
Kessler outbox both of them decisively. He is a lot more refined and fundamentally sound than Taylor with at least as much athletic ability and better stamina. He doesn't have great power but neither does Taylor and he still had Pavlik on queer street. What category is Taylor superior to Kessler in? I think Kessler is overrated to a degree but he has better skills and more physical talent than Taylor and Pavlik

I disagree. I think that Taylor hits harder than Kessler and probably just as hard as Pavlik, and that Taylor has much more athletic ability than Kessler.

pipe wrenched
10-01-2007, 10:15 PM
I disagree. I think that Taylor hits harder than Kessler and probably just as hard as Pavlik, and that Taylor has much more athletic ability than Kessler.

I'm with ya funds.:good

Caliboxing
10-01-2007, 10:19 PM
Kessler outbox both of them decisively. He is a lot more refined and fundamentally sound than Taylor with at least as much athletic ability and better stamina. He doesn't have great power but neither does Taylor and he still had Pavlik on queer street. What category is Taylor superior to Kessler in? I think Kessler is overrated to a degree but he has better skills and more physical talent than Taylor and Pavlik

Taylor has better defence and quickness. Kessler has better ring generalship.

Shotgun
10-01-2007, 10:19 PM
I disagree. I think that Taylor hits harder than Kessler and probably just as hard as Pavlik, and that Taylor has much more athletic ability than Kessler.

Based on what though? Having seen both of them fight a number of times Kessler has at least as much hand speed and much better punching technique. Taylor's "bow and arrow" right hand is not nearly as quick or accurate as Kessler's right and his jab can be very good but has often disappeared for long stretches against quality opposition. It isn't nearly as consistent or effective as Kessler's

Taylor's power or at least his ability to effectively deliver it has always been severely overrated. He's never KO'd anyone of note. Not that Kessler has either but the best opponent Taylor's stopped was Raul Marquez who was well past his prime and been knocked out a several times at lower weights

pecks
10-01-2007, 10:22 PM
Kessler would beat the shit out of Pavlik and wouldn't lose a round in the process.

Dekkers
10-01-2007, 10:25 PM
Kessler would beat the shit out of Pavlik and wouldn't lose a round in the process.

I'll give Pavlik some credit, he might win an early round or two :p

Caliboxing
10-01-2007, 10:25 PM
How is he gonna win every round without getting hit back with right hands?

Mrvooh
10-01-2007, 10:28 PM
Based on what though? Having seen both of them fight a number of times Kessler has at least as much hand speed and much better punching technique. Taylor's "bow and arrow" right hand is not nearly as quick or accurate as Kessler's right and his jab can be very good but has often disappeared for long stretches against quality opposition. It isn't nearly as consistent or effective as Kessler's

Taylor's power or at least his ability to effectively deliver it has always been severely overrated. He's never KO'd anyone of note. Not that Kessler has either but the best opponent Taylor's stopped was Raul Marquez who was well past his prime and been knocked out a several times at lower weights :good

Shotgun
10-01-2007, 10:33 PM
How is he gonna win every round without getting hit back with right hands?

By sticking and moving, something Taylor is unfamiliar with. Taylor has routinely allowed himself to be pushed into a corner, and not always by big strong opponents like Pavlik. He was forced onto the ropes repeatedly by Wright and Ouma

Pavlik wouldn't be able to bully Kessler the way he did to against Miranda and Taylor, because Kessler is more well schooled and effective at using angles than either of them

Kessler isn't particularly flashy and isn't incredible in any one category but he is a very well schooled and fundamentally sound boxer which you can't say about Taylor or Miranda

Shotgun
10-01-2007, 10:38 PM
kessler is NOT as fast as taylor, and definately not faster. come on!
In terms of handspeed, yes he is about as fast and his superior punching technique allows him deliver faster and more accurate punches than Taylor. As far as my comment about athletic ability, athletic ability isn't just purely about speed. Kessler is more balanced and coordinated than Taylor in the boxing ring which is a part of athletic ability

Caliboxing
10-01-2007, 10:39 PM
I agree that Kessler is well schooled but since he doesn't show much upper body movement he will eventually get hit by a 1+2 combination from Pavlik that can hurt him.

BITCH ASS
10-01-2007, 10:39 PM
In terms of handspeed, yes he is about as fast if not faster, and his better technique amplifies this. As far as my comment about athletic ability, athletic ability isn't just purely about speed. Kessler is more balanced and coordinated than Taylor in the boxing ring which is a part of athletic ability

He only looks faster because up against people that are slow as shit.

Calzaghe will make Kessler look slow.

Mrvooh
10-01-2007, 10:41 PM
kessler is NOT as fast as taylor, and definately not faster. come on! kessler is way overrated here. he would have his hands full with kelly, and i think i may pick kelly here. pavlik is a gamer, and yeh he has a lot of flaws, yet he is only 25 and will improve greatly. he has more heart than most guys, and for me that will take him far as hell in this game. i am with cap here pavlik wins. Shotgun is right...Kesslers quick also..there are those who sparred with him, and fought him...Bika will tell ya that...from experience

Shotgun
10-01-2007, 10:43 PM
He only looks faster because up against people that are slow as shit.

Calzaghe will make Kessler look slow.

I agree that Calzaghe is going to beat Kessler decisively. But who has Taylor fought that is fast aside from Spinks and Ouma, both of whom were clearly faster than him? The only notable opponents that Taylor has looked quick against were an aging Hopkins and and Pavlik who nobody will ever mistake for being fast. Kessler is quick compared to anyone that Taylor has looked quick against

BoppaZoo
10-01-2007, 11:37 PM
Kessler would beat Pavlik with ease.

I mean they say who has Kessler beat he beat Mundine easy who is far more techniquely advanced than Pavlik.

Mundine ripped Sam Soliman and beat Danny Green aswell so i feel Kessler gets constantly undervalued on this site as where as soon as a USA fighter beats someone he is suddenly a

Pavlik vs Hearns type guy.

Fans on here are getting out of hand.

Kessler would school Pavlik because Kessler is naturally bigger more gifted and has a chin.

jammerdk
10-02-2007, 01:35 AM
I agree that Calzaghe is going to beat Kessler decisively. But who has Taylor fought that is fast aside from Spinks and Ouma, both of whom were clearly faster than him? The only notable opponents that Taylor has looked quick against were an aging Hopkins and and Pavlik who nobody will ever mistake for being fast. Kessler is quick compared to anyone that Taylor has looked quick against

I doubt that .........Calzaghe isn't going to beat Kessler decisively maybe he will win but Kessler isn't going to Wales to be a punchingbag. (He's no Manfredo)

As for Pavlik.....hhhmmm I maybe have to see more of him to be sure but right now I don't see him anywhere near Calzaghe or Kessler yet :bbb