People backing Khan ????? I'm with ****** here.

[Dan684]

I find it funny looking through a couple of the threads that people are being so quick to criticize Frank ****** over Khan going with Golden Boy. In my opinion Khan has been a bit of a cunt here, not ******.

Now I know that Khan was ******s cash cow and to some extent he HAD to bring him back in good fashion but come on, a genuine world title shot 12 months/3 fights later :blood Nobody but NOBODY not Top Rank, not Golden Boy promotions, not Don King and certainly none of the comical British outfits we have over here would have gotten Khan into that position.First of all he gets Khan into the Wild Card gym where sparring would be second to only training with the Mayweathers. Then Khan/Barrera was mentioned everyone who I knew laughed and said Khan is getting fucked. It was a beautiful move by ****** and then he got him a shot at Kotelnik at home infront of his fans.

It's not even like Khan was making ****** that much money either. I've was at the Barrera fight which was packed PURELY ON BEHALF OF BARRERA. At the Kotelnik fight (His big shot at a world title) the place was half empty, so much so that they had to close the entire top tier of the arena and everyone got given upgrades in tickets (to make it feel to the Sky viewers it was at capacity.

I'm getting to see why Beeston doesn't like Roach more and more these days too. He's interfering in a lot of things outside of what his role is and if/when Pacquiao/Mayweather gets underway i'll be very interested to see if his mouth is as big as it has been for the last 24 months when he's sat on a table with Roger Mayweather

If Khan hasn't kept ties with ****** and is soley using GBP as useful way of getting into the US market then he's been a bit of a shit here for me.

[DOM5153]

****** does'nt build legacy's

[Gneus7]

****** aint as bad as people make out but I'm glad Khan left. I think he'll do well with GBP

[Johnboy2007]

I think ****** has done very well for khan. That doesnt mean that the best thing for khans career is to stay with ****** forever! I think GBP will make things happen for khan in America which ****** wouldnt or couldnt

[LHL]

I thought he should have stayed with ****** for couple more fights, especially reading that ****** wanted to test Khan with Maidana while goldenboy want Paulie i would prefer Khan to show no fear and take on a puncher knowing he could get beat.

[Dan684]

I know what your saying lads, but THIS SOON after where ****** has got him ? ****** wanted the Maidana fight which is the fight most fans want to see so he can hardly be accused of taking the easy fight there can he? Roach has made it clear he doesn't want maidana which is a strange one for me as he should be supporting Khan at least in public.

[Tony Bellew]

****** does'nt build legacy's

He built Joe Calzaghe's mate, This is without doubt a wrong move...:-(

[Beeston Brawler]

Don't get me and Dan started on Calzaghe's ''legacy'' :-(

[BrummyLad]

I know what your saying lads, but THIS SOON after where ****** has got him ? ****** wanted the Maidana fight which is the fight most fans want to see so he can hardly be accused of taking the easy fight there can he? Roach has made it clear he doesn't want maidana which is a strange one for me as he should be supporting Khan at least in public.

Whilst i agree with you on the sly way it has happened, i cannot feel sorry for a guy who posted Khan vs Fagan as a ppv, and that horrible win over barrera which was a NC. Too much has happened for FW to get sympathy from me.

[Dan684]

He built Joe Calzaghe's mate, This is without doubt a wrong move...:-(

Don't get me and Dan started on Calzaghe's ''legacy'' :-(

:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy :lol:

[supremo]

I don't know what to think. I dont like either party and dont really expect either partyy to show loyalty to the other, so if his contract has run out then he is free to move on I suppose.

[BrummyLad]

He built Joe Calzaghe's mate, This is without doubt a wrong move...:-(

Its through FW that Calzaghe resume is so frowned upon, Hatton has doen better once he left FW hasn't he???

[China_hand_Joe]

Calzaghe is a legend.

He has a rating of 90 on FN round 4.

History will be kind and everyone will worship Joe Calzaghe and Mayweather in 15 years time.

[Dan684]

Calzaghe is a legend.

He has a rating of 90 on FN round 4.

History will be kind and everyone will worship Joe Calzaghe and Mayweather in 15 years time.

:tong

[Dan684]

Shit he's on FN4 ??

Tomorrow i'm going out getting a PS3 with FN4 and i'm gonna sit at home and smash Calzaghe to pieces (whilst wanking) :rofl

[China_hand_Joe]

Its through FW that Calzaghe resume is so frowned upon, Hatton has doen better once he left FW hasn't he???

Calzaghe pulled out of the Johnson fights, which set him back 4 years.

****** tried his best to get him a Hopkins fight, got him Lacy, got him Kessler, both whilst those fighters reputations were at a high.

Frank ****** is brilliant.

[Dan684]

Its through FW that Calzaghe resume is so frowned upon, Hatton has doen better once he left FW hasn't he???

No it is most certainly not young Holmesy :-(

It's due to all the 'injuries' that Joe Calzaghe had couple with his fear of flying (unless there was a pensioner waiting to greet him on the other side of the atlantic).

[Beeston Brawler]

If you look at Calzaghe's opponents, very few of them achieved anything after they fought Calzaghe.

To me, that either means they were never as good as they were made out to be (Kessler) or were on a run of stoppage losses (Jiminez) or shot (Jones).

Hopkins beat him as well.

Calzaghe had all the talent but his resume and 'legacy' doesn't reflect that - it shows a decent-ish belt holder that got the right guys at the right time.

Hardly compares to a proper ATG, like a Hagler or a Hearns.

[LP_1985]

Shit he's on FN4 ??

Tomorrow i'm going out getting a PS3 with FN4 and i'm gonna sit at home and smash Calzaghe to pieces (whilst wanking) :rofl

:lol::lol::lol:

[brown bomber]

I think Hatton Promotions, GBP and Khan Promotions will happily work together. ****** might lose his top spot here... He hasn't got a fighter that will pack out the big arena's for the first time in nearly 20 years.

With respect, he was warned and warned on these forums that he hates so much, people hated the long, boring one sided cards... now they've voted with their feet and so too have his biggest fighters.

Internet forums and the knowledge of boxing fans has diminished what he can sell to the public. He needs someone young and fresh to take the healm there or FWP is in big trouble. The shows lack atmosphere. The programs are the same as they were 15 years ago, colourful, expensive and uninformative.

Fighters need an identity, they need to be cared about. That can only be achieved by fighters doing meaningful things that make people take notice. Beating memebers of the latvian crew is pointless.

Boxing needs to UFC itself up a bit.... I don't mean gay bumsex positions on the floor.... but they know how to make relevant, appealing matches.

[Darni187]

I think Hatton Promotions, GBP and Khan Promotions will happily work together. ****** might lose his top spot here... He hasn't got a fighter that will pack out the big arena's for the first time in nearly 20 years.

With respect, he was warned and warned on these forums that he hates so much, people hated the long, boring one sided cards... now they've voted with their feet and so too have his biggest fighters.

Internet forums and the knowledge of boxing fans has diminished what he can sell to the public. He needs someone young and fresh to take the healm there or FWP is in big trouble. The shows lack atmosphere. The programs are the same as they were 15 years ago, colourful, expensive and uninformative.

Fighters need an identity, they need to be cared about. That can only be achieved by fighters doing meaningful things that make people take notice. Beating memebers of the latvian crew is pointless.

Boxing needs to UFC itself up a bit.... I don't mean gay bumsex positions on the floor.... but they know how to make relevant, appealing matches.

:rofl

[Gneus7]

Calzaghe is a legend.

He has a rating of 90 on FN round 4.

History will be kind and everyone will worship Joe Calzaghe and Mayweather in 15 years time.

:good

:rofl

[GPater11093]

Shit he's on FN4 ??

Tomorrow i'm going out getting a PS3 with FN4 and i'm gonna sit at home and smash Calzaghe to pieces (whilst wanking) :rofl

:rofl:rofl

Dunno even on easy it would be hard to beat Calzaghe with one hand, although for all the few seconds it would take you you should have your 2 hands back in no time.

[BrummyLad]

I think Hatton Promotions, GBP and Khan Promotions will happily work together. ****** might lose his top spot here... He hasn't got a fighter that will pack out the big arena's for the first time in nearly 20 years.

With respect, he was warned and warned on these forums that he hates so much, people hated the long, boring one sided cards... now they've voted with their feet and so too have his biggest fighters.

Internet forums and the knowledge of boxing fans has diminished what he can sell to the public. He needs someone young and fresh to take the healm there or FWP is in big trouble. The shows lack atmosphere. The programs are the same as they were 15 years ago, colourful, expensive and uninformative.

Fighters need an identity, they need to be cared about. That can only be achieved by fighters doing meaningful things that make people take notice. Beating memebers of the latvian crew is pointless.

Boxing needs to UFC itself up a bit.... I don't mean gay bumsex positions on the floor.... but they know how to make relevant, appealing matches.

:deal Very True, nailed it tbf jeff.

Dan you are right about calzaghe its just my bias, tbf calzagfhe and ****** were both bad and together they got that 46-0 unblemished but unrespected record. I think khan has spoke with hatton and khan has been swayed by hattons opinion. I see a painful lawsuit, what about yourself???

[LP_1985]

:rofl:rofl

Dunno even on easy it would be hard to beat Calzaghe with one hand, although for all the few seconds it would take you you should have your 2 hands back in no time.

:lol::lol::good

[Dan684]

Nah mate I don't really see no lawsuit. not sure about him chatting to Hatton. I spoke to Khan a while back and he told me after Salita they wanted Hatton so moving to Golden Boy may be in light of this. Still a shitty move.

[alba]

I find it funny looking through a couple of the threads that people are being so quick to criticize Frank ****** over Khan going with Golden Boy. In my opinion Khan has been a bit of a cunt here, not ******.

Now I know that Khan was ******s cash cow and to some extent he HAD to bring him back in good fashion but come on, a genuine world title shot 12 months/3 fights later :blood Nobody but NOBODY not Top Rank, not Golden Boy promotions, not Don King and certainly none of the comical British outfits we have over here would have gotten Khan into that position.First of all he gets Khan into the Wild Card gym where sparring would be second to only training with the Mayweathers. Then Khan/Barrera was mentioned everyone who I knew laughed and said Khan is getting fucked. It was a beautiful move by ****** and then he got him a shot at Kotelnik at home infront of his fans.

It's not even like Khan was making ****** that much money either. I've was at the Barrera fight which was packed PURELY ON BEHALF OF BARRERA. At the Kotelnik fight (His big shot at a world title) the place was half empty, so much so that they had to close the entire top tier of the arena and everyone got given upgrades in tickets (to make it feel to the Sky viewers it was at capacity.

I'm getting to see why Beeston doesn't like Roach more and more these days too. He's interfering in a lot of things outside of what his role is and if/when Pacquiao/Mayweather gets underway i'll be very interested to see if his mouth is as big as it has been for the last 24 months when he's sat on a table with Roger Mayweather

If Khan hasn't kept ties with ****** and is soley using GBP as useful way of getting into the US market then he's been a bit of a shit here for me.


your wrong there,he didn't get him into that gym .Khan went there off his own accord .

[Cliff Spab]

I think Hatton Promotions, GBP and Khan Promotions will happily work together. ****** might lose his top spot here... He hasn't got a fighter that will pack out the big arena's for the first time in nearly 20 years.

With respect, he was warned and warned on these forums that he hates so much, people hated the long, boring one sided cards... now they've voted with their feet and so too have his biggest fighters.

Internet forums and the knowledge of boxing fans has diminished what he can sell to the public. He needs someone young and fresh to take the healm there or FWP is in big trouble. The shows lack atmosphere. The programs are the same as they were 15 years ago, colourful, expensive and uninformative.

Fighters need an identity, they need to be cared about. That can only be achieved by fighters doing meaningful things that make people take notice. Beating memebers of the latvian crew is pointless.

Boxing needs to UFC itself up a bit.... I don't mean gay bumsex positions on the floor.... but they know how to make relevant, appealing matches.

well i am pretty sure the liverpool echo arena is quite big an he sold it out with a british title fight an will do so again when smith fights dodson no other british promoter could do that.****** puts the best shows on by far unlike most of the other promoters who can barely fill small leisure centres.****** also markets his shows very well thats why he able to fill out the big arenas as with rogan-sexton which filled out the oddysey arena and that was only a commonwealth title fight

[BrummyLad]

Nah mate I don't really see no lawsuit. not sure about him chatting to Hatton. I spoke to Khan a while back and he told me after Salita they wanted Hatton so moving to Golden Boy may be in light of this. Still a shitty move.

Thats what i meant, ricky would never fight for or in association with ******, he probably spoke to khan about having his own promotions and working with gbp etc etc. If i was khan i'd keep ****** sweet and still work with him when needed. No way i'd piss him off, as little old ginger nuts is a master at resurrecting careers, and once he has his chin handed to him again he will come sniffing back.

[ishy]

Khan wasn't happy with the offer ****** made him for the Maidana fight

On a recent trip the United States, Khan discussed a promotional deal with Golden Boy and rival Top Rank. Roach told ESPN.com that Khan called him from England on Friday and asked for him to put him in touch with Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer.

"So I put them together," Roach said. "I know Amir was not happy with the offer to fight Maidana and wanted to see if there was a better deal out there."

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I'm with Dan here, Khan should have stayed with ****** for a while longer. Remember that before Khan got the Kotelnik fight, Kotelnik was almost certain to fight Ortiz. ******, however, offered Kotelnik more than Golden Boy and got Khan the fight. That should tell you something.

[China_hand_Joe]

Shit he's on FN4 ??

Tomorrow i'm going out getting a PS3 with FN4 and i'm gonna sit at home and smash Calzaghe to pieces (whilst wanking) :rofl

We can have a game.

I will show you what would have happened if Calzaghe had ever fought Geroge Foreman, Lewis or Ali if you like.

Or pehaps a midget like Oscar, who Hopkins is a legend for beating, despite an inferior resume to Calzaghe.

[brown bomber]

well i am pretty sure the liverpool echo arena is quite big an he sold it out with a british title fight an will do so again when smith fights dodson no other british promoter could do that.****** puts the best shows on by far unlike most of the other promoters who can barely fill small leisure centres.****** also markets his shows very well thats why he able to fill out the big arenas as with rogan-sexton which filled out the oddysey arena and that was only a commonwealth title fightTwo scousers, fighting each other, in Liverpool, for a British title.... Hmm I'd imagine that would probably sell if ANYONE promoted it. He doesn't put on the best shows- he used to but now he just puts on good shows because he seems unable to develop his own fighters in an attractive way. For every Ricky Hatton, there is a jason Mathews, a derry Mathews, a Steve Foster, a Steve Murray, a Ryan Rhodes (not current), a Dean Pithie, an Alex Arthur, a Kenny Anderson- fighters who simply have not been matched or promoted in an attractive way.

Every fighter follows the same route 8-9 fights against journeyman, 5-6 fights against ill prepared domestic contenders... The odd international where they may or may not get knocked off... its unappealing.

Khan, Hamed, Benn, Eubank, Bruno all made they're name before going to ******. He is excellent at navigating fighters to porcelin titles (WBU/WBO and of late the WBA 'real super-duper' title) but the information age has put paid to the bullshit.

The gap has been there for a long time, no wonder every tom, dick and harry with a bit of coin wants to be a promoter.... will they ever achieve what ****** has? Doubt it- they guy is the greatest UK promoter of all time- but he 'the company' have milked it for too long... They need to make a statement... there in the perfect position to do it but fixing the olympians in chief support to Khan against over-matched opps is not he way to do it... nor is hiding a big, exciting puncher like Macca down the bill to get chinned.

Nor is putting Alex Arthur in with a talented sharp shooting southpaw like Nigel Wright in his first fight above lightweight. Dean Powell has a right tricky job but I'd love them to come on here (and all of the forums) and say right boxing fans.... What do you want to see at these shows?

[AndrewFFC]

****** does'nt build legacy's


He's 22.

[AndrewFFC]

Calzaghe is a legend.

He has a rating of 90 on FN round 4.

History will be kind and everyone will worship Joe Calzaghe and Mayweather in 15 years time.

:lol::good

[DOM5153]

He built Joe Calzaghe's mate, This is without doubt a wrong move...:-(

fair comment, but joes legacy was built later in his career when he faced better opposition on a more regular occurance.

******s strength lies in building up fighters slowly and building them up the right way... on there way to some kind of title.

I wasnt having a dig at ****** there... its just what i believe to be the case:good

[DOM5153]

He's 22.

Joe was well into his thirties when he left ******.

Although Joe had admittily achieved a lot at that point Joe needed to move on and gain more exposure in the American market

[DOM5153]

:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy :lol:

way to gang up on me man... thats cold:|

[punchdrunkgench]

this is great news for khan and fight fans worldwide we will actually see a british fighter in competetive fights chasing genuine belts on a world stage which is something we would have been deprived of if khan had stayed with ****** and his worst fight best money policy.

[Cliff Spab]

Two scousers, fighting each other, in Liverpool, for a British title.... Hmm I'd imagine that would probably sell if ANYONE promoted it. He doesn't put on the best shows- he used to but now he just puts on good shows because he seems unable to develop his own fighters in an attractive way. For every Ricky Hatton, there is a jason Mathews, a derry Mathews, a Steve Foster, a Steve Murray, a Ryan Rhodes (not current), a Dean Pithie, an Alex Arthur, a Kenny Anderson- fighters who simply have not been matched or promoted in an attractive way.

Every fighter follows the same route 8-9 fights against journeyman, 5-6 fights against ill prepared domestic contenders... The odd international where they may or may not get knocked off... its unappealing.

Khan, Hamed, Benn, Eubank, Bruno all made they're name before going to ******. He is excellent at navigating fighters to porcelin titles (WBU/WBO and of late the WBA 'real super-duper' title) but the information age has put paid to the bullshit.

The gap has been there for a long time, no wonder every tom, dick and harry with a bit of coin wants to be a promoter.... will they ever achieve what ****** has? Doubt it- they guy is the greatest UK promoter of all time- but he 'the company' have milked it for too long... They need to make a statement... there in the perfect position to do it but fixing the olympians in chief support to Khan against over-matched opps is not he way to do it... nor is hiding a big, exciting puncher like Macca down the bill to get chinned.

Nor is putting Alex Arthur in with a talented sharp shooting southpaw like Nigel Wright in his first fight above lightweight. Dean Powell has a right tricky job but I'd love them to come on here (and all of the forums) and say right boxing fans.... What do you want to see at these shows?

dodson and quigley were two scousers fighting for british title in liverpool was the echo arena full no it want i dont even think there was 3,000 in a 9,000 seated arena when hayemaker promoted so thats how easy it is for two scousers to fill the arena.as for alex arthur his doctor advised him to not make lightweight and with him always banging on bout being world class its hardly the matchmakers fault when they get him an average light welter who on paper he should beat who has lost 6 fights and english title holder at best.world class as arthur bangs on about really should deal with wright if he still has aspirations shunt he? An you tell me another promoter that could of got khan a world title fight in 3 fights after being chinned by prescott and the answer would be none mate.

[punchdrunkgench]

[
An you tell me another promoter that could of got khan a world title fight in 3 fights after being chinned by prescott and the answer would be none mate.[/quote]


khan was selling out 10000 seats thus bringing in plenty of money so anyone could have got him a title shot as you just throw more money at the champ(money that khans earning by putting bums on seats) and you will get a title shot,and the loss makes it even easier for ****** as it wasnt hard convincing a chamo to fight a fighter whose offerin 50k more than anyone else and has just been beaten that aint a hard sell mate trust me

[brown bomber]

dodson and quigley were two scousers fighting for british title in liverpool was the echo arena full no it want i dont even think there was 3,000 in a 9,000 seated arena when hayemaker promoted so thats how easy it is for two scousers to fill the arena.as for alex arthur his doctor advised him to not make lightweight and with him always banging on bout being world class its hardly the matchmakers fault when they get him an average light welter who on paper he should beat who has lost 6 fights and english title holder at best.world class as arthur bangs on about really should deal with wright if he still has aspirations shunt he? An you tell me another promoter that could of got khan a world title fight in 3 fights after being chinned by prescott and the answer would be none mate.

Why not put Arthur in with a lesser accomplished fighter until he was healthy enough to make the weight again? Why the sudden 'excited' match making?

Dodson-Quigley was a late notice fight. And that bill was far more intriguing then your typical FWP show.

FW did a fabulous job getting Khan into a 'world title fight' but lets be realistic here, the fact that Khan got that oppertunity says more about the state of boxing then it does the skill of the promoter.

The idea was always for Khan to pick up that title- thats why average (in world terms) fighters like Ree's, Kotelnik and M'Baye were contesting it.... Maidana was just an unfortunate inconveniance.

Prescott just slowed things down... perhaps Khan would not have had the Barrera fight, but they needed to gamble following the prescott disaster and used FW's connection with Barrera to make a fight.

If all had gone according to plan Ree's/Kotelnik would have fought khan straight after the Fagan fight I bet.

[Dan684]

jeff come on man. Nobody in the UK is anywhere near ****** on a promotional level. And how many people seriously expected Wright to beat Arthur (as shit as Arthur is)

[brown bomber]

jeff come on man. Nobody in the UK is anywhere near ****** on a promotional level. And how many people seriously expected Wright to beat Arthur (as shit as Arthur is)
I did... or at least I said it was a super risky fight. :deal And also Arthur is not shit at all.... Irritating as his fake persona occasionally may be.... he can fight.

And no one is on ******s level .... yet! but they will be,.

[Cliff Spab]

[quote=jeff thomas;5923260]Why not put Arthur in with a lesser accomplished fighter until he was healthy enough to make the weight again? Why the sudden 'excited' match making?

Dodson-Quigley was a late notice fight. And that bill was far more intriguing then your typical FWP show.

FW did a fabulous job getting Khan into a 'world title fight' but lets be realistic here, the fact that Khan got that oppertunity says more about the state of boxing then it does the skill of the promoter.

The idea was always for Khan to pick up that title- thats why average (in world terms) fighters like Ree's, Kotelnik and M'Baye were contesting it.... Maidana was just an unfortunate inconveniance.

Prescott just slowed things down... perhaps Khan would not have had the Barrera fight, but they needed to gamble following the prescott disaster and used FW's connection with Barrera to make a fight.

If all had gone according to plan Ree's/Kotelnik would have fought khan straight after the Fagan fight I bet.[/

i cant see where excited matchmaking coming from with the alex arthur situation when nigel wright no disrespect to the lad is probably the gatekeeper at light-welter on the domestic scene who before the fight probably thought he had no more title opportunities.Arthur even tho it was the wbo was a former world champion an still bangin on bout world title fights.So it aint ******s fault that he under performs and loses is it?And with khan getting his shot 3 fights after a bad defeat i would say it is unbelievable by ****** what he did for khan even tho he dint deserve his shot.Thats why i am with ****** on this situation as the thread title says

[brown bomber]

I have a bit of pity for ****** with regards the situation, but ultimately its his own doing.

[ishy]

jeff come on man. Nobody in the UK is anywhere near ****** on a promotional level. And how many people seriously expected Wright to beat Arthur (as shit as Arthur is)

Quite a few people went for Wright in the prediction league.

I think Hatton, if he continues like hes started, will overtake ****** in the future.

[Dan684]

Quite a few people went for Wright in the prediction league.

I think Hatton, if he continues like hes started, will overtake ****** in the future.

who asked you ? :finger :lol:

[China_hand_Joe]

I'm not sure there was any money left in Arthur anyway.

[ishy]

who asked you ? :finger :lol:

:lol: Fuck off you fanny!

[Dan684]

:lol: Fuck off you fanny!


:yikes

[ishy]

:yikes

:huh

[Dan684]

:huh

I'm shocked. Mild mannered Ish, do not lower yourself to Fanny Paters level :deal

[ishy]

I'm shocked. Mild mannered Ish, do not lower yourself to Fanny Paters level :deal

:lol: ok

[GPater11093]

:lol::lol::good

glad someone noticed it

I'm shocked. Mild mannered Ish, do not lower yourself to Fanny Paters level :deal

What?

This is going too far I hadnt even posted in 2 pages and my name gets brought up

[izmat]

Khan's going to be in more competitive fights under Golden Boy so I don't have problems with this move. Also I think ****** was only keen on the risky Maidana fight knowing that Khan was going to leave him soon!

[warrior85]

khan & ****** are both twats,so i really couldnt care less about there split although im not in anyway surprised.

[gallardo]

I find it funny looking through a couple of the threads that people are being so quick to criticize Frank ****** over Khan going with Golden Boy. In my opinion Khan has been a bit of a cunt here, not ******.

Now I know that Khan was ******s cash cow and to some extent he HAD to bring him back in good fashion but come on, a genuine world title shot 12 months/3 fights later :blood Nobody but NOBODY not Top Rank, not Golden Boy promotions, not Don King and certainly none of the comical British outfits we have over here would have gotten Khan into that position.First of all he gets Khan into the Wild Card gym where sparring would be second to only training with the Mayweathers. Then Khan/Barrera was mentioned everyone who I knew laughed and said Khan is getting fucked. It was a beautiful move by ****** and then he got him a shot at Kotelnik at home infront of his fans.

If Khan hasn't kept ties with ****** and is soley using GBP as useful way of getting into the US market then he's been a bit of a shit here for me.

:deal
Dan's spot on.

IMO, In the long run, I think Khan will regret his hasty departure from ******. If in doubt, he should just ask Victor Ortiz.

[Flea Man]

He built Joe Calzaghe's mate, This is without doubt a wrong move...:-(

And what an average legacy that is.

Hopefully he doesn't take you and Frankie the right route. What with the recession and his Sky deal, ****** seems to be making more competitive fights now, which he didn't always do in the 90's-now.

It takes a fighter to ASK for a big fight to get one with ******. Shouldn't be that way, protecting fighters may earn them a lot of money but two things might occur:

Not a very good legacy.

Big shock when they finally step up in class.

[Flea Man]

:deal
Dan's spot on.

IMO, In the long run, I think Khan will regret his hasty departure from ******. If in doubt, he should just ask Victor Ortiz.

Even better, Jorge Linares. Signed for GoldenBoy, first fight with 'em gets starched in the 1st round:lol::patsch

[T.C.W]

****** could have kept Khan, all he needed was money, look Khan won't to be like pac and be a global star in boxing and make massive money, HBO can make that happen, with goldenboy, Khan will get a very good deal with DLH getting HBO and khan being able to do a deal with SKY or Primetime for the British PPV contract. ****** did not have USA thing down and only thing that could change Khan on this is MONEY, ****** did not come up with the freight.

[Lee Mc]

Whilst i agree with you on the sly way it has happened, i cannot feel sorry for a guy who posted Khan vs Fagan as a ppv, and that horrible win over barrera which was a NC. Too much has happened for FW to get sympathy from me.


And there lies the problem...

******, for too many years, has given the fans poor value PPVs which, although we are not obliged to buy, leave a sour taste in the mouth.

I do feel sorry for ******. He has, as others have said, made Khan's name for him but something inside me is delighted that this happens so often to him. As for Khan this is, in my opinion, a terrible move. Frank ****** is able to navigate a fighter's career to the highest echlons of the sport without facing anything more than a "tricky" fight. GBP will not allow Khan to avoid facing the best. He could be seriously exposed within a year.

[Flea Man]

I feel you are not in the 'upper echelons' unless you face some 'tricky' fights :good

[thewinfella]

****** does'nt build legacy's

World champion in less han a year after being KO'd in round 1 against a no body !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Facts are facts .

[BrummyLad]

And there lies the problem...

******, for too many years, has given the fans poor value PPVs which, although we are not obliged to buy, leave a sour taste in the mouth.

I do feel sorry for ******. He has, as others have said, made Khan's name for him but something inside me is delighted that this happens so often to him. As for Khan this is, in my opinion, a terrible move. Frank ****** is able to navigate a fighter's career to the highest echlons of the sport without facing anything more than a "tricky" fight. GBP will not allow Khan to avoid facing the best. He could be seriously exposed within a year.


Say it again brother, my point exactly, I have never known a fighter get starched and ruined in the first round, and then in his comeback fight its ppv. Shocking is the term i'd use when describing FW respect for fans. It is down to him for Khans departure.

Here is a scenario:
Hatton overcomes Tzuyu and captures the boxing worlds attention, he then leaves and fights a couple of champs and then 2 of this generations best fighters in bouts that will rake him in a absolute fortune. Hatton makes more money fighting for himself and can pick and choose his fights as he pleases.

Khan similarly beats Kotelnik and soemwhat grabs some attention, he leaves hoping he fighst a couple of champs and hopefully makes some big cash and earns some major respect from the boxing world for hopefully fighting somebody that can actually challenge him, no fagan-esque mismatches.
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Khan is quite simply copying the blueprint hatton has set, period. And who can fault that, Hatton would not have done aswell financially or fought as many top fighters if he would have stayed with FW...

[icemax]

I find it funny looking through a couple of the threads that people are being so quick to criticize Frank ****** over Khan going with Golden Boy. In my opinion Khan has been a bit of a cunt here, not ******.

Now I know that Khan was ******s cash cow and to some extent he HAD to bring him back in good fashion but come on, a genuine world title shot 12 months/3 fights later :blood Nobody but NOBODY not Top Rank, not Golden Boy promotions, not Don King and certainly none of the comical British outfits we have over here would have gotten Khan into that position.First of all he gets Khan into the Wild Card gym where sparring would be second to only training with the Mayweathers. Then Khan/Barrera was mentioned everyone who I knew laughed and said Khan is getting fucked. It was a beautiful move by ****** and then he got him a shot at Kotelnik at home infront of his fans.

It's not even like Khan was making ****** that much money either. I've was at the Barrera fight which was packed PURELY ON BEHALF OF BARRERA. At the Kotelnik fight (His big shot at a world title) the place was half empty, so much so that they had to close the entire top tier of the arena and everyone got given upgrades in tickets (to make it feel to the Sky viewers it was at capacity.

I'm getting to see why Beeston doesn't like Roach more and more these days too. He's interfering in a lot of things outside of what his role is and if/when Pacquiao/Mayweather gets underway i'll be very interested to see if his mouth is as big as it has been for the last 24 months when he's sat on a table with Roger Mayweather

If Khan hasn't kept ties with ****** and is soley using GBP as useful way of getting into the US market then he's been a bit of a shit here for me.

Decent post Dan, but I have to say that ****** had absolutely no input into the selection of Barrera as an opponent for Khan, that was pure Freddie Roach, ****** was shitting bricks at the thought.

I think that any of Khans fights in the UK will be promoted by ******, I don't think that it is an absolute split.

[Broxi]

Its through FW that Calzaghe resume is so frowned upon, Hatton has doen better once he left FW hasn't he???

They all done better once ...

a: They were nearing the end of their career.
b: left Frank ******.

Khan has done the right thing, might be c###s trick but Frank is no stranger to those.

[essexboy]

Calzaghe is a legend.

He has a rating of 90 on FN round 4.

History will be kind and everyone will worship Joe Calzaghe and Mayweather in 15 years time.

Well you've changed my stance. Well played sir. :lol:

Khan may have been a little unloyal (disloyal?) but hes moving for the right reasons, to further his career, he didnt want to end up like Calzaghe so hes made the right move.

[trotter]

Khan owes ****** fuck all. Fuck all. This is a common mistake of ******'s, he seems to think 'loyalty' = a contract. It doesn't. Contract up, Khan gets a better offer, see you later. Simple as taht.

Do you think ****** would be loyal if it didn't make financial sense for him? Would he fuck. You look after no.1 in this game.

[BrummyLad]

Khan owes ****** fuck all. Fuck all. This is a common mistake of ******'s, he seems to think 'loyalty' = a contract. It doesn't. Contract up, Khan gets a better offer, see you later. Simple as taht.

Do you think ****** would be loyal if it didn't make financial sense for him? Would he fuck. You look after no.1 in this game.

Exactly, look at the way he treated choi once he nailed derry matthews. I feel for ****** on the way that his golden goose has left him, but i cant sympathise for the guy one iota after the way he has treated fans in the past and indeed this forum...

[DOM5153]

World champion in less han a year after being KO'd in round 1 against a no body !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Facts are facts .

thats called clever navigation and brilliant negotiation :good