Anyone see Holyfield/Rodrigues?

[techks]

This fight was right after the Dokes fight. That's probably the only time I've seen Holyfield display one hit ko power. lol. The first was a feelin out round that Holyfield probably didn't win but as soon as he landed that accurate right hook in the second I knew the fight was over. Don't ask how but I have this fight on my Terry Norris career set. Weird huh?

They're on youtube if you wanna see them.


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[MRBILL]

Yeah........... Good for Holy; bad for Rodrigues......... I never liked Rodrigues....... He was a flop that Dundee was working with........ A decent boxer from Brazil with a china chin........ He beat "Lazy Bones" Smith in '87 and got parked by Holy and Foreman in 1989 and '90...... I lost interest in him soon after.........

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[divac]

Holyfield Knocked out Buster Douglas with a right hand as well, to crown himself the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World!

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[mr. magoo]

I actually have it recorded on VHS, but no longer have a VCR player that I can view it from... LOL'

After the fight was over, showtime championship boxing went through a list of fighters that they thought were potential next opponents for Holy.. Among the names were Foreman, WItherspoon, Norris, Damiani, Ruddock and Stewart.... Alex Stewart was the next chosen victim.

[MRBILL]

I actually have it recorded on VHS, but no longer have a VCR player that I can view it from... LOL'

After the fight was over, showtime championship boxing went through a list of fighters that they thought were potential next opponents for Holy.. Among the names were Foreman, WItherspoon, Norris, Damiani, Ruddock and Stewart.... Alex Stewart was the next chosen victim.

That fight with Stewart is often over-looked as a damn good haevyweight fight of the modern era........ Stewart was green but motivated and hungry....... The '93 rematch sucked ass on PPV.........

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[lefthook31]

Nice overhand counter right by Holy, not really his money punch, but it hit Rodriquez right on the temple. I think Rodriguez wa being trained by Dundee for that fight...

[mr. magoo]

That fight with Stewart is often over-looked as a damn good haevyweight fight of the modern era........ Stewart was green but motivated and hungry....... The '93 rematch sucked ass on PPV.........

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Holy could have finished that fight long before he did, and in truth Stewart's corner probably should have stopped it a round or two earlier. Alex was a bloody mess by the end of round six, and except for the very brief barage of shots that he landed in round 5, he was very far behind in that match. At one point, Duva said to Evander " quit fuckin' around and get in there and punch!!!" Stewart showed all the signs and behaviors of a very unseasoned prospect.. During the introductions, he was announced as the WBA's #2 contender, and for the life of me, I still don't know how the hell he got rated that high. He didn't know how to clinch when he was in trouble. He had virtually no defense, and he tried to hook and cross more than utilize the jab or combinations. Basically he was a man with 24 pro fights who looked like a debuting prospect if that makes any sense. I was 15 years old when I saw this fight, and it was one of the first lessons in life that an impressive record does not always equate to a good fighter.

[lefthook31]

Holyfield Knocked out Buster Douglas with a right hand as well, to crown himself the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World!

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Havent watched that fight in a long time, but you see how smart Holyfield was in the ring. He made Douglas commit the most crucial error by feinting his jab. Douglas anticipated Holy to step in with that jab and tried to throw a counter uppercut. It turned out the feint had Douglas throwing an uppercut from the outside which leaves your opponent the most open, and Holy came over with that righthand it was bye bye Douglas.
Douglas fought the complete opposite the way he fought Tyson, way too complacent and defensive.

[cubex]

Anybody have a link to the Showtime version of the fight?

[divac]

Havent watched that fight in a long time, but you see how smart Holyfield was in the ring. He made Douglas commit the most crucial error by feinting his jab. Douglas anticipated Holy to step in with that jab and tried to throw a counter uppercut. It turned out the feint had Douglas throwing an uppercut from the outside which leaves your opponent the most open, and Holy came over with that righthand it was bye bye Douglas.
Douglas fought the complete opposite the way he fought Tyson, way too complacent and defensive.

There was a reason for the 360 degree turnaround by Douglas......Holyfield was doubling and tripling his jab while using lateral movements.....

Tyson fought the only way he knows how and that was too march staight ahead at Douglas and attempt to use his usual speed bursts.
Tyson's style was tailor made for someone of the size and style of Douglas.

Complacency had little to do with the matter. Holyfield was just a better fighter.

[lefthook31]

There was a reason for the 360 degree turnaround by Douglas......Holyfield was doubling and tripling his jab while using lateral movements.....

Tyson fought the only way he knows how and that was too march staight ahead at Douglas and attempt to use his usual speed bursts.
Tyson's style was tailor made for someone of the size and style of Douglas.

Complacency had little to do with the matter. Holyfield was just a better fighter.
So coming in with a huge spare tire around his waist didnt tip you off that Douglas might not have been up to the task? Douglas took it too Tyson, he laid back against Holyfield. Douglas had a good enough jab and punches behind it to push the fight more if he so chose, just mentally he wasnt the same. Clear as day in the clip.

[Stonehands89]

This was around the time every every one and their sister was questioning Holyfield's power. And they stayed in denial for years and years.

Holyfield could hit. You don't score a KO like this, drop a close-to-prime Mercer, come within a hair's breadth of KOing Bowe, and stopping Tyson if you can't punch.

[techks]

This was around the time every every one and their sister was questioning Holyfield's power. And they stayed in denial for years and years.

Holyfield could hit. You don't score a KO like this, drop a close-to-prime Mercer, come within a hair's breadth of KOing Bowe, and stopping Tyson if you can't punch.

Exactly:good. Holyfield's problem wasn't power but he tried to get in wars and slug it out too much later in his career instead of focusing on boxing skills.(see Toney and Byrd fights. He should've jabbed more instead of throwing those hooks and trying to get in a war with them)

[mr. magoo]

This was around the time every every one and their sister was questioning Holyfield's power. And they stayed in denial for years and years.

Holyfield could hit. You don't score a KO like this, drop a close-to-prime Mercer, come within a hair's breadth of KOing Bowe, and stopping Tyson if you can't punch.


Agreed,

In addition to the performances you mentioned, his KO's over Dokes and Douglas were devastating as well. Those guys were hurt, and there aren't any " If's, and's or but's " about it. Evander could bang, and the fact that he was barely a 205 lbs man knocking around much larger, natural heavyweights was a testament to his power and punching ability...

[divac]

Exactly:good. Holyfield's problem wasn't power but he tried to get in wars and slug it out too much later in his career instead of focusing on boxing skills.(see Toney and Byrd fights. He should've jabbed more instead of throwing those hooks and trying to get in a war with them)

According to Holyfield, he had a rotator cuff problem all throughout those fights with Byrd, Toney, and Donald.
He states he was only using the jab then as a range finder and that it pained him to snap it out.

I believe Holyfield had that rotator cuff operated on around before the Fres Oquendo fight.

[MRBILL]

According to Holyfield, he had a rotator cuff problem all throughout those fights with Byrd, Toney, and Donald.
He states he was only using the jab then as a range finder and that it pained him to snap it out.

I believe Holyfield had that rotator cuff operated on around before the Fres Oquendo fight.

I think Holy's shoulders' and rotor-cuff was fucked up as early as 1994 with his title loss to Moorer in Vegas........... Heart Attack or Stiff Heart syndrome---BULLSHIT story........... Holy's problems were in his shoulders.... All the juice and weight training obviously tore something up that hindered his ability....... If Holy expects the fans to believe he was cured by faith healer Benny Hinn, well then, Holy's full of shit to the maxi-pad.......
:good:scaredas:

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[lefthook31]

I think Holy's shoulders' and rotor-cuff was fucked up as early as 1994 with his title loss to Moorer in Vegas........... Heart Attack or Stiff Heart syndrome---BULLSHIT story........... Holy's problems were in his shoulders.... All the juice and weight training obviously tore something up that hindered his ability....... If Holy expects the fans to believe he was cured by faith healer Benny Hinn, well then, Holy's full of shit to the maxi-pad.......
:good:scaredas:

MR.BILL
Thats because his lefthook was no joke.

[MRBILL]

Thats because his lefthook was no joke.

Honestly, I've seen worse decisions rendered before..... Holy did drop Moorer in round 2..... I think Holy did enough to at least get a draw in 1994......... Moorer was unimpressive in winning the title.........
:deal

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[lefthook31]

Honestly, I've seen worse decisions rendered before..... Holy did drop Moorer in round 2..... I think Holy did enough to at least get a draw in 1994......... Moorer was unimpressive in winning the title.........
:deal

MR.BILL
I had Holy winning closely as did most everyone else including Atlas who had his head down as soon as the bell rang. Moorer on the other hand was sure he won the fight...:blood

[mr. magoo]

I had Holy winning closely as did most everyone else including Atlas who had his head down as soon as the bell rang. Moorer on the other hand was sure he won the fight...:blood


Agreed,

It was an indecisive win for Michael Moorer, and considering that Holyfield was the defending champ, it would not have been unreasonable for the tables to turn slightly in his favor. The old adage that you had to "beat" the champ, to become champ, had gone out decades earlier, but in this case an exception could have certainly been made.

Now that I think about it, had Holyfield's health conditions prevented him from returning to the ring, it would have been a good focal point to stop, had the decision been awarded to him.. He had already established himself as the best cruiserweight of all time..... He had earned a heavy weight title shot by beating a string of rated contenders..... He knocked out Douglas who had beaten the man.. He signed to fight Tyson, who was exiled from boxing to no fault of Holyfield's..... He had regained the title against a formidable Riddick Bowe, and IF he had beaten Moorer, it would have been another defense against a 34-0 professional....... He would have retired with the claim of never having been stopped, being a two time heavyweight champ, and losing only once to a man who he gained revenge against......


Of course, hind site is always 20/20...