Kelly Pavlik vs Chad Dawson at 170

[Fab2333]

Who do you guys think wins and why

[startown81]

Dawson would be a very difficult fight for Pavlick, but as soon as Pavlick catches him with a right hand it would be all over. Pavlick tko round 10.

[Danny Ocean]

dawson late ko

[Lampley]

Dawson is everything Pavlik needs to avoid. He is better in nearly aspect, and even power is a guess at that weight. The difference might become even greater at 175.

Chad looked great on Saturday. He has the size and strength to stand his ground, and his speed and punch arsenal are far superior to that of Kelly. He's also proved he can fight a tough 12-rounder.

Dawson has fought a Pavlik (Adamek), but Pavlik never has seen anything close to a Dawson.

Dawson TKO 10, after a one-sided boxing lesson.

[Laydown]

dawson early KO

[AG11]

I was just thinking of this fight last night! If Dawson was still at SMW, it would have much better chances of happening (not anytime soon though) as I can see a lot of fighters avoiding Kelly. Would be a great fight no doubt. Both would probably hit the canvas. Dawson would have to be the favorite but you CANNOT count out Pavlik. Don't car who the opponent is, this guy is DETERMINED to win.

[Fab2333]

TO me I think Dawson isnt a full fledge LHW, I still think he can make 168 if he wanted to, he has a lean body not 2 muscular, I think most of that weight he is fighting with at 175 is water weight that he could lose to make a fight at 168 happen. If him and pavlik were to fight at 168 I pick Dawson to school Pavlik to a Ud or KO.

[Lampley]

TO me I think Dawson isnt a full fledge LHW, I still think he can make 168 if he wanted to, he has a lean body not 2 muscular, I think most of that weight he is fighting with at 175 is water weight that he could lose to make a fight at 168 happen. If him and pavlik were to fight at 168 I pick Dawson to school Pavlik to a Ud or KO.

I agree that Dawson still could make 168, but I think he'll be better at 175. He was very strong against Mendoza. Speaking only in terms of making weight, it reminds of Roy Jones in the mid-1990s. Roy could make 160 and be fine, but he was a very strong 168.

Same deal with Chad, just one weightclass northward.

[JETSKI]

Gotta go with Kelly here (no surprise:shock: ) cause of Dawsons questionable chin, & no one can argue the fact that his chin has some cracks in it. Dawson may win every round, but KP will keep coming forward until he lands. You know the rest...

Can't believe a number of you said Chad by LATE stoppage (round 10). He won't even see the 8th.

:bbb

[TheGrimReaper]

i dont know bad chad is no joke very tough fight

[Lampley]

Gotta go with Kelly here (no surprise:shock: ) cause of Dawsons questionable chin, & no one can argue the fact that his chin has some cracks in it. Dawson may win every round, but KP will keep coming forward until he lands. You know the rest...

Can't believe a number of you said Chad by LATE stoppage (round 10). He won't even see the 8th.

:bbb


What makes Kelly's odds of KOg Dawson better than those of Adamek?

Dawson is a proven commodity at 175. Pavlik is a very good and very tough middle, but now you're talking him about jumping up 15 pounds. And Kelly has been hurt and shown to be slow at 160; as he gets bigger, his punch his likely to diminish.

[Boro chris]

Dawson was dropped by Adamek so you can't totally write off somone with the heart and ko power of Pavlik, but I see Dawson handing out a lesson here and winning quite comfortably.
Pavlik can clean up the middles at the mo because his ownly real threat is Abraham. I also believe that Sturm wont have the balls to face him though I'd like to be proved wrong. Pavlik should stick to middle for the time being.

[JETSKI]

What makes Kelly's odds of KOg Dawson better than those of Adamek?

Dawson is a proven commodity at 175. Pavlik is a very good and very tough middle, but now you're talking him about jumping up 15 pounds. And Kelly has been hurt and shown to be slow at 160; as he gets bigger, his punch his likely to diminish.

Plain & simple...THAT WASN'T TOMASZ ADAMEK THAT FOUGHT DAWSON. I don't know who it was that night, but he wasn't himself. Whether he had a kidney problem from weight loss, or shit his pants from nerves fighting a skilled southpaw, who can say. But Tomasz managed to land 1 solid punch & Chad went down.
I don't think Kelly would be nervous & don't know how he's done in the past vs lefties, but like I've said, eventually KP will find that chin.

[JETSKI]

What makes Kelly's odds of KOg Dawson better than those of Adamek?

Dawson is a proven commodity at 175. Pavlik is a very good and very tough middle, but now you're talking him about jumping up 15 pounds. And Kelly has been hurt and shown to be slow at 160; as he gets bigger, his punch his likely to diminish.

Not 15 lbs. The thread says a catch wt of 170 lbs. which would probably favor KP, easier for him to make wt.

[King Dan]

Plain & simple...THAT WASN'T TOMASZ ADAMEK THAT FOUGHT DAWSON. I don't know who it was that night, but he wasn't himself. Whether he had a kidney problem from weight loss, or shit his pants from nerves fighting a skilled southpaw, who can say. But Tomasz managed to land 1 solid punch & Chad went down.
I don't think Kelly would be nervous & don't know how he's done in the past vs lefties, but like I've said, eventually KP will find that chin.

Dude, you've got to be kidding me.
Chad kept Adamek totally off rythm and out of sync.
Give the fighter who causes the problems just due.
Chad made Tomasz look like shit, Tomasz didn't go out there and do it himself.

I expect more from you Jetski but it seems like you are looking thru glasses that project what you want them to.

[King Dan]

I think Chad outboxes Pavlik for the most part but both men have the punch to end it quickly.

This is a 60/40 fight in favor of Chad.

[JETSKI]

Dude, you've got to be kidding me.
Chad kept Adamek totally off rythm and out of sync.
Give the fighter who causes the problems just due.
Chad made Tomasz look like shit, Tomasz didn't go out there and do it himself.

I expect more from you Jetski but it seems like you are looking thru glasses that project what you want them to.

I did give Chad his due respect. I said that maybe Adamek crapped himself fighting a "SKILLED SOUTHPAW". What more do you want me to say about him?
And I'm glad to see you consider a Dawson vs Pavlik fight so close, with only a 60/40% chance favoring Chad.

Did you enjoy Boardwlak Hall Sat. night???:!:

[Lampley]

Not 15 lbs. The thread says a catch wt of 170 lbs. which would probably favor KP, easier for him to make wt.

True. My mistake.

[Fab2333]

To me I think this fight should happen actually, I think it would be a good fight, to see where kelly stands against the more skilled fighters of the world. 170 im pretty sure chad can make that weight no problem, and 170 would be a more conforable weight for pavlik to make, or anywhere in between 160 and 170 rather. I think both fighters should look into it to b honest

[Lampley]

Plain & simple...THAT WASN'T TOMASZ ADAMEK THAT FOUGHT DAWSON. I don't know who it was that night, but he wasn't himself. Whether he had a kidney problem from weight loss, or shit his pants from nerves fighting a skilled southpaw, who can say. But Tomasz managed to land 1 solid punch & Chad went down.
I don't think Kelly would be nervous & don't know how he's done in the past vs lefties, but like I've said, eventually KP will find that chin.

This is a highly dubious argument. Dawson has the skills to diversity to greatly trouble any stodgy punchers such as Adamek, and he simply made Tomasz look slow and tight. That's because, compared to Dawson, Adamek always will be slow and tight.

Pavlik has a bit more fluidity in his shoulders than Adamek, but otherwise, I don't know what more he brings to the table. Not only that, I think Adamek has a better chin than Pavlik, and Kelly's power becomes a mystery as he moves up.

Even a 10-pound jump is significant, although as you pointed out not as dramatic as 15.

[Lampley]

To me I think this fight should happen actually, I think it would be a good fight, to see where kelly stands against the more skilled fighters of the world. 170 im pretty sure chad can make that weight no problem, and 170 would be a more conforable weight for pavlik to make, or anywhere in between 160 and 170 rather. I think both fighters should look into it to b honest

I'd rather see Dawson get one more big win before taking on Pavlik. Kelly now has two high-exposure HBO bouts -- and one over an undisputed champ -- while Dawson has only Adamek.

Chad should fight Johnson or ideally Tarver. I'd love to see either guy against Kessler, or Chad against Calzaghe (JC would school Pavlik).

[King Dan]

I did give Chad his due respect. I said that maybe Adamek crapped himself fighting a "SKILLED SOUTHPAW". What more do you want me to say about him?
And I'm glad to see you consider a Dawson vs Pavlik fight so close, with only a 60/40% chance favoring Chad.

Did you enjoy Boardwlak Hall Sat. night???:!:

Of course I enjoyed myself. What a fight!! I thought I was gonna have a heart attack after round 2.
How was your trip?

[Fab2333]

I'd rather see Dawson get one more big win before taking on Pavlik. Kelly now has two high-exposure HBO bouts -- and one over an undisputed champ -- while Dawson has only Adamek.

Chad should fight Johnson or ideally Tarver. I'd love to see either guy against Kessler, or Chad against Calzaghe (JC would school Pavlik).

I disagree to me even though Pavlik beat Jermain he is not a "big name" fighter as of yet, they are both on the same social status to me as both champions. I think they should fight and the winner of that takes on Joe Calzaghe vs. kessler winner.
2 me I think there is a lot of potential matchups that can happen for both fighters, you have the winner f RJ vs trinidad to factor, while both would view them as being old, they both can draw a crowd, so it would b good xposure for kelly or chad. and give them a good win over an ATG.
Hopkins is waiting around, Glen Johnson as you said, Tarver, there is a lot of fights that can be made

[Axe]

My boy Dawson would box Pavlik's ears off all night long, and eventually get the KO in the later rounds. This fight is a mismatch, imo. The gulf in boxing skills is just too big.

[Fab2333]

but I do agree that JC would beat Pavlik, despite im not teh biggest of fans for Calzaghe, I do agree he would outbx Kelly to a UD.

[JETSKI]

Of course I enjoyed myself. What a fight!! I thought I was gonna have a heart attack after round 2.
How was your trip?

Not too bad at all. We left Maine 8am & was home at 2:30pm. Rested up & left for AC at 6:30pm & was in the arena watching boxing by 9pm.

Yeah, I couldn't believe my eyes in the 2nd round, either. But that made the win all the more sweeter, being that he came back from adversity the way he did.

[JETSKI]

My boy Dawson would box Pavlik's ears off all night long, and eventually get the KO in the later rounds. This fight is a mismatch, imo. The gulf in boxing skills is just too big.


Maybe your right. I'm being blinded being a big KP fan. But, you have to admit, Kelly will always have a punchers chance.

:good

[Lampley]

I disagree to me even though Pavlik beat Jermain he is not a "big name" fighter as of yet, they are both on the same social status to me as both champions. I think they should fight and the winner of that takes on Joe Calzaghe vs. kessler winner.
2 me I think there is a lot of potential matchups that can happen for both fighters, you have the winner f RJ vs trinidad to factor, while both would view them as being old, they both can draw a crowd, so it would b good xposure for kelly or chad. and give them a good win over an ATG.
Hopkins is waiting around, Glen Johnson as you said, Tarver, there is a lot of fights that can be made
I think Pavlik can sell more tickets than Dawson. Most of that can be explained as the difference between HBO and Showtime. Put Chad on HBO vs. Tarver, and suddenly a new PPV fighter will emerge.

But I'm happy for Chad to stick on Showtime for now. They need a star, now that Jeff Lacy has been shellacked, and Dawson is it.

My theory is that Gary Shaw has a deal with them to have a certain (a lot!) number of his cards on Showtime, with the return promise that he'll keep Chad off of HBO, at least for now.

[Axe]

Maybe your right. I'm being blinded being a big KP fan. But, you have to admit, Kelly will always have a punchers chance.

:good

My mistake, I didn't see this was at 170 lbs. I wonder if Chad can go that low today without much trouble...

I still favour him to win, but I agree, Pavlik will always have a puncher's chance, and in this one, it's not just a slim one, either. :good

[kg0208]

Gotta go with Kelly here (no surprise:shock: ) cause of Dawsons questionable chin, & no one can argue the fact that his chin has some cracks in it. Dawson may win every round, but KP will keep coming forward until he lands. You know the rest...

Can't believe a number of you said Chad by LATE stoppage (round 10). He won't even see the 8th.

:bbb
Yes cuz Pavlik hasn't been down as much as Dawson right? When Dawson was down, he got back up and wasn't wobbly at all. Pavlik on the other hand? You seem to have selective memory or you're pulling our legs with that argument.

Dawson is far more skilled than Pavlik or Taylor. Pavlik has a punchers chance, but I doubt he currently has the skill to land that punch.

[Amsterdam]

Chad by late stoppage?:lol:

Try Chad by EARLY stoppage!;)

[Fab2333]

I think Pavlik can sell more tickets than Dawson. Most of that can be explained as the difference between HBO and Showtime. Put Chad on HBO vs. Tarver, and suddenly a new PPV fighter will emerge.

But I'm happy for Chad to stick on Showtime for now. They need a star, now that Jeff Lacy has been shellacked, and Dawson is it.

My theory is that Gary Shaw has a deal with them to have a certain (a lot!) number of his cards on Showtime, with the return promise that he'll keep Chad off of HBO, at least for now.

I agree with that, but I think the same situation can happen for Chad if he fought Pavlik on HBO. Well it would probably be unfair to Pavlik, b/c if he beats Chad Dawson he would probably remain just an HBO fighter not PPv fighter. Well hey it would b good for Dawson.

[Amsterdam]

wtf? What is that with your avatar? I don´t expect you switched to the light sight.

Just supporting a great, underrated fighter mate... I put a new one up each week, probably will switch to Erdei next monday.:D

[Lampley]

Just supporting a great, underrated fighter mate... I put a new one up each week, probably will switch to Erdei next monday.:D

You're tripping me out with all the avatar switches. For the longest time, you had that Calzaghe Finds Jesus one, and now it's like a new one every day.

[Jinx]

dawson early KO

yep

[brooklyn1550]

Dawson...170 or 175 is too much for Pavlik

[Ring Master]

Dawson would outbox imo and possibly stop him.

[Caliboxing]

Adamek did almost nothing and went the distance with Dawson and dropped him. Pavlik will throw lots of punches more than Adamek did and has a great chance to win this fight.

[Ring Master]

Adamek did almost nothing and went the distance with Dawson and dropped him. Pavlik will throw lots of punches more than Adamek did and has a great chance to win this fight.

Adamek is stronger then pavlik.

you pepole forget about the body work Dawson puts in. CD can shoot to the body and hurt big boys.

[Fab2333]

Dawson would outbox imo and possibly stop him.:good pretty much, adamek was suppose to ko dawson as well, but that sure as hell didnt happem, he knockd him down 1nce yes. But dawson regained his compsure and won the fight

[Caliboxing]

Adamek might be stronger than Pavlik but he seemed scared to fight Dawson back. He just stood there and made Dawson look great. When Adamek started fighting back, late in the fight, he had some success.
Pavlik will fight back and that's why I give him a great chance.

[Ring Master]

Adamek might be stronger than Pavlik but he seemed scared to fight Dawson back. He just stood there and made Dawson look great. When Adamek started fighting back, late in the fight, he had some success.
Pavlik will fight back and that's why I give him a great chance.

i hear ya, i just feel dawson has the fire power to keep pavlik honest. And if Dawson can hurt pavlik, Dawson would finish pavlik. add in the height advantage and south paw stand. I like Cd's chances. would be a hell of a fight though.

[Caliboxing]

It sholuld be a great fight, it might happen down the line.