Lewis v Bruno

[GBT]

Just rewatched the Lewis V Bruno fight and should Micky Vann have halted give Bruno time to recover because of the way Lewis was holding his face with his left glove and hitting Bruno with his right, I know he did briefly stop it but you could see Lewis push him out the way to carry on the assault and did the exact same thing before the fight was stopped, surely if a fighter gets five mins for a low blow the same should have happended her and do you think it would have made a difference to the outcome because Bruno was causing Lewis problems

[lefthook31]

Agree, it was a horrible tactic on Lewis part, and borderline DQ material. He did the same thing to Mike Grant I believe, and was never penalized for it.

[McGrain]

Love that fight.

[The Mongoose]

I hinted at this in another thread but lets be blunt, Lewis could be a very dirty fighter and wasn't shy about following back on such tactics when he got in trouble. And yes, the first Grant knockdown actually came from a hold and punch to the back of the head. Grant was also causing Lewis problems in the opening seconds, knocking him back with a right hand as I recall. I'm not going to open the Vitali can of worms but yeah...

[McGrain]

Lewis was definitely a dirty bastard, the thing is he wasn't perpetually dirty. So when he was repeatedly warned for holding against Tyson he adjusted. He was a cerebral fighter in pursuit of every possible advantage.

[Beeston Brawler]

Its only illegal if the referee pulls you up on it.

On the fight, it was a great one, Bruno was at least two rounds ahead at the time of the stoppage, it sums up his career really.

[jont]

Lewis showed a killer instinct in this fight that i loved...but it was brutal...Bruno was finished at this point of the fight I think...once his stamina was gone or his chin was dented he never really came back to do much against quality opponents and Lennox was on a mission to get his title back....

[Vanboxingfan]

Lewis was definitely a dirty bastard, the thing is he wasn't perpetually dirty. So when he was repeatedly warned for holding against Tyson he adjusted. He was a cerebral fighter in pursuit of every possible advantage.

Don't they all?

Ali holding the back of head and pushing his opponents heads down, Holyfield's head butts, it goes on and on.

[frankenfrank]

Agree, it was a horrible tactic on Lewis part, and borderline DQ material. He did the same thing to Mike Grant I believe, and was never penalized for it.
mccall did something like this against yanqui diaz.

[mrbassie]

Holmes did it all night to Mercer. All fighters have fouls in their repertoire, I wouldn't say Lewis was especially dirty although he did hold a lot.

[lefthook31]

Holmes did it all night to Mercer. All fighters have fouls in their repertoire, I wouldn't say Lewis was especially dirty although he did hold a lot.
Watch this mess. Amatuer boxing at its finest. Particularly the finishing blow to end the fight.
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[Arka]

Why shouldn't Lewis take advantage of Grant's lack of professional nous?
I don't particularly have a problem with what Lewis did.

[lefthook31]

Why shouldn't Lewis take advantage of Grant's lack of professional nous?
I don't particularly have a problem with what Lewis did.
Because you cant hold your opponents head down with one arm while you throw an uppercut with the other. Thats a blatant foul. Lewis should have stepped back and then delivered his shot, not arm bar him with one hand and then throw the uppercut with his other hand. He did the same thing to Bruno only delivering a different punch.

[Pusnuts]

That was blatantly illegal, Im a big Lewis fan but that was brutal, grounds for DQ perhaps. Mercante Jr is a pretty weak ref IMO, not really up to it, not even a point deduction.

Lewis couldnt get inside his reach so he just took the dirty option when it presented itself, he probably would have stopped Grant in later rounds anyway but a tainted victory in my opinion.

[Mantequilla]

The heavyweight quartey tasted defeat this night.

[McGrain]

You don't get disqualified for that in an English ring. Probably not even today, certainly not then. Vann should have stopped it anyway, that was what was really incompetent about that refereeing, there was absolutley no reason for Frank to ship those additional bombs.

[mrbassie]

Watch this mess. Amatuer boxing at its finest. Particularly the finishing blow to end the fight.

I've seen it. I think what I said still stands, that was a dirty performance as was the finish to the Bruno fight but I think if you compiled a list of dirty fighters Lewis would be nowhere near the top.

[mrbassie]

You don't get disqualified for that in an English ring. Probably not even today, certainly not now. Vann should have stopped it anyway, that was what was really incompetent about that refereeing, there was absolutley no reason for Frank to ship those additional bombs.

Vann has no control in a fight, you watch American refs they yell "stop punching" or whatever and separate fighters and by and large don't take much shit, guys like Vann yell "let 'im go Ricky" Ricky doesn't and then he just doesn't do anything. British refereeing is way behind the doodles, I sometimes wonder if they do their apprecticeships in illegal bareknuckle boxing.

[McGrain]

"Downt gimme any shit. Cos i downt mynd tayken points offoff eiver of ya!"

[Silver]

That was blatantly illegal, Im a big Lewis fan but that was brutal, grounds for DQ perhaps. Mercante Jr is a pretty weak ref IMO, not really up to it, not even a point deduction.

Lewis couldnt get inside his reach so he just took the dirty option when it presented itself, he probably would have stopped Grant in later rounds anyway but a tainted victory in my opinion.
yeah it wasnt a spectacular ko to be honest. it looks better on paper. way too sloppy but its the refs job to step in and enforce the rules and he didnt do shit. mercante completely sucked in that fight.

[blacklikesunday]

i'm having no luck trying to find this fight on youtube, bruno vs tyson keeps popping up.

[PetethePrince]

Bruno was infamous for hitting and holding too. Just watch the Cummings and Tyson fights.

[RockysSplitNose]

"Downt gimme any shit. Cos i downt mynd tayken points offoff eiver of ya!"

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:happy:happy

Funniest thing ever - and one of my favourite boxing memories from the thick of my (brief) college days - one of my favourite fights ever too - Lennox Lewis at this time was the best he would ever be - miles better than when he supposedly improved under Manny - this was when he was young and 16 stone 3 pounds - and fast as - and that nasty street mentality in him still (and still didn't give a shit about impressing anyone - much prefered trying to show off a bit) - his combination of the size AND SPEED was what set him apart then - I don't care how much experience he got later - this was Lewis at his best - Bruno's best fight aswell on top of that

PS i wanted that hat Lewis wore on his way in - it was cool as :rasta

[Unforgiven]

Maybe he should have been penalized for the Bruno thing, I dont know.

But I think the fouls in the Grant fight were really beyond the pale. Absolutely horrendous.
2 (and perhaps 3) of the 4 knockdowns looked completely foul, including the finish (perhaps the worst foul of all). And between the KDs Lewis was fouling constantly.

[zadfrak]

The Lewis camp should've done the same thing the smarter opposing camps did to Bruno--make Frank take his act on the road. He's always going to be in top form in front of his hometown fans. And since he was far more popular than Lennox, make the fight in Atlantic City or Vegas & then you don't have as difficult a guy on your hands.

[Unforgiven]

The Lewis camp should've done the same thing the smarter opposing camps did to Bruno--make Frank take his act on the road. He's always going to be in top form in front of his hometown fans. And since he was far more popular than Lennox, make the fight in Atlantic City or Vegas & then you don't have as difficult a guy on your hands.

It was only Tyson who fought Bruno for the championship outside of the UK.
And Bruno did better in Las Vegas against Tyson than some of Tyson's other ranked opponents (Americans).
Bruno looked overmatched and scared, but that was probably the "Tyson effect" rather than being away from home. It's not as if the British fans didn't make their presence felt.

[lefthook31]

It was only Tyson who fought Bruno for the championship outside of the UK.
And Bruno did better in Las Vegas against Tyson than some of Tyson's other ranked opponents (Americans).
Bruno looked overmatched and scared, but that was probably the "Tyson effect" rather than being away from home. It's not as if the British fans didn't make their presence felt.
Thats an understatement, I was there. The arena was nuts with British fans singing and partying. It didnt feel like we were on Tysons home turf believe me.

[Son of Gaul]

Good fight.

[Fighting Weight]

The fight was effectively over as soon as Lewis landed the big left though wasn't it? I agree the ending was ugly, bordering on illegal but you could say that about literally dozens of HW fights. Lewis liked to get an advantage where he could but show me a HW champ that doesn't/didn't?