Dawson/Erdei please!

[Amsterdam]

Okay my posting mates, all of this LHW talk is getting pretty exciting because it's a heavily underrated division with potential match ups that would fall in the 'hardcore boxing fan's wet dream' category.

In my opinion, Chad Dawson is the best that LHW has to offer right now and Szolt Erdei is directly under at the #2 spot.

What do these guys have in common? They DOMINATE the B and B+ level guys like true P4P fighters should and show little flaw, Erdei, like Mikkel Kessler, has probably lost less than 10 rounds in his entire career with a less entertaining style than Kessler of course, but an effective one and he's a thinking man's stand up boxer-puncher.:good

Both guys have some good wins, maybe a bit to Erdei in terms of more wins, but with Dawson's domination of Tomasz Adamek being a 'signature' win and not just a 'crop' win like Erdei has come up with. I think Erdei would have shut out Adamek also by the way, he's an excellent boxer.

Now -

Most people aren't familiar with Szolt Erdei, but they are familiar with Chad Dawson. This unification match up would be two A class level in a bout to decide who is the TRUE MAN in the division, even though the media thinks old man Hopkins still is that guy.

The winner of this bout would undoubtedly deserve a cemented P4P ranking, as two elite's square off in a unification match up in a pretty hot division in terms of talent and skill. So let's try and forget about the Tarver's and others of the World, because they are not even in the mix with of the level that these two fighters are at anymore.

Let's hope this match comes sometime in the near future.:D

[JETSKI]

Good test for Dawson. Even though I don't know much about Erdei, from what I've heard, it will be a good test, but Dawson will prob win by UD.

[Amsterdam]

Good test for Dawson. Even though I don't know much about Erdei, from what I've heard, it will be a good test, but Dawson will prob win by UD.

It's not just a test, it's a class elite level unification match up, I'd get very excited if it were announced, about as excited as I was for Calzaghe - Kessler.

[PolishPummler]

Let this fight happen so that both fighters can officially make there FIRST title defense!

[Darien]

Good post, that's the fight to be made! However, there's very little chance that it actually comes through. By the way it's Zsolt Erdei.

[JETSKI]

Good post, that's the fight to be made! However, there's very little chance that it actually comes through. By the way it's Zsolt Erdei.

Hi Darien! Zsolt doesn't have any fights scheduled currently?

Did you see Pavliks win over Taylor? I went to Atlantic City to see this one & I wasn't disappointed at all.

:good

[Stinky gloves]

Its time to get rid of the fraud Ring Magazine title.
Erdei-Dawson for the best LHW.

[Lampley]

I don't know as much about Erdei, and he seems to not care that we don't know about him, which is a problem.

The reason I keep mentioning Tarver is that Chad needs to raise his profile, and that's one way to do it. After beating and hopefully brutalizing Antonio, he might have enough money attached to him that he could lure a fight against Erdei or the winner of Calzaghe/Kessler.

Dawson's ability as a fighter exceeds his present ability as a revenue source, and a win over Tarver is his ticket to strike a balance.

[Lampley]

Its time to get rid of the fraud Ring Magazine title.
Erdei-Dawson for the best LHW.

In the Official ESB rankings this Sunday, I'm rooting for that title to start out as vacant. Hopkins is not the real champion.

[Darien]

Hi Darien! Zsolt doesn't have any fights scheduled currently?

Did you see Pavliks win over Taylor? I went to Atlantic City to see this one & I wasn't disappointed at all.

:good
Hey, Jetski my old friend! It's good to see you! Zsolt will fight on the 24th November in Dresden, Germany. His opponent is not yet announced but it will most probably be a mandatory so it's up to the WBO.

Sure I've seen the Taylor-Pavlik fight! It was awsome! This Pavlik guy has some serious pop and killer instinct!

[Stinky gloves]

In the Official ESB rankings this Sunday, I'm rooting for that title to start out as vacant. Hopkins is not the real champion.
Hopkins did not fought ANY legitimate LHW contender since he
won this title from Tarver ... was that like almost 1.5 years ago?

Ring champion should have policy to defend title at least one time
in the year against rightfull top 10 contender at this weight class.

[Azriel]

I'm not sure but I think Dawson needs to fight Diaconu first when he is going to be healed.

I know that interboxe has filed a request to the WBC for Adrian not to loose his mandatory status.:smoke

[Axe]

This would be a chess match early on, you have the two most skilled LHWs facing off. In the later rounds, however, Dawson would start to dominate, he has too many physical factors over Zsolt: huge height and reach advantages, stamina advantage, power advantage, the list goes on. Dawson stops Erdei in the championship rounds after a tactical bout in the early goings.

By the way Erdei doesn't shut Adamek out, not even the weight-drained version that fought Chad. Adamek is a bad style matchup for the Hungarian who gases late and was there for the taking against late round pressure fighter Hugo Garay...twice. And Garay is feather fisted. Adamek beats Zsolt by KO.

Adamek called Erdei out to make the fight but there was no answer...just as there will be none for Dawson, should he call the Hungarian out.

[Tom_Tocca]

Hey, Jetski my old friend! It's good to see you! Zsolt will fight on the 24th November in Dresden, Germany. His opponent is not yet announced but it will most probably be a mandatory so it's up to the WBO.

Sure I've seen the Taylor-Pavlik fight! It was awsome! This Pavlik guy has some serious pop and killer instinct!

I will be there - are you also going to Dresden?

[Amsterdam]

In the Official ESB rankings this Sunday, I'm rooting for that title to start out as vacant. Hopkins is not the real champion.

I have my rankings worked out from MW-HW and my P4P, today I'll work on the rest.

I have Hopkins as the #4 LHW, that's being generous. I am glad we agree.:good

[Lampley]

I have my rankings worked out from MW-HW and my P4P, today I'll work on the rest.

I have Hopkins as the #4 LHW, that's being generous. I am glad we agree.:good

Sweet! I'm really looking forward to see what people come up with.

I'm surprised you have Hopkins ranked that highly, to be honest.

[Fat Tony]

What do these guys have in common? They DOMINATE the B and B+ level guys like true P4P fighters should and show little flaw, Erdei, like Mikkel Kessler, has probably lost less than 10 rounds in his entire career with a less entertaining style than Kessler of course, but an effective one and he's a thinking man's stand up boxer-puncher.:good


Good post, but that's wrong.

Erdei lost 10-12 rounds against Garay (in two fights), some rounds against Sahoune and Lakatusch (spelling?).

There are rumours that Erdei-Garay III is next. Any information if that's true?

[Darien]

This would be a chess match early on, you have the two most skilled LHWs facing off. In the later rounds, however, Dawson would start to dominate, he has too many physical factors over Zsolt: huge height and reach advantages, stamina advantage, power advantage, the list goes on. Dawson stops Erdei in the championship rounds after a tactical bout in the early goings.

By the way Erdei doesn't shut Adamek out, not even the weight-drained version that fought Chad. Adamek is a bad style matchup for the Hungarian who gases late and was there for the taking against late round pressure fighter Hugo Garay...twice. And Garay is feather fisted. Adamek beats Zsolt by KO.

Adamek called Erdei out to make the fight but there was no answer...just as there will be none for Dawson, should he call the Hungarian out.
Hey Axe! I quite disagree with you here, I doubt Dawson (or Adamek for that matter) could stop Erdei but I agree when you say that Dawson's natural build up, his height and reach advantage together with his southpaw stance might be a bit too much for Erdei. I see a close fight with Dawson being more active thus winning a close decision.

Erdei-Adamek? Now that's tough but I think Erdei has the skills to outbox the Pole. His stamina problem is fixed now (it was due to some nutrition problems), he won't gas out.
Adamek called Erdei out? Come on! It's one thing to send an open letter to different sites but sending a real offer is something else. An open letter is like throwing a bone to the fans. Erdei's management never received any concrete offer from Adamek's camp.

[Amsterdam]

Good post, but that's wrong.

Erdei lost 10-12 rounds against Garay (in two fights), some rounds against Sahoune and Lakatusch (spelling?).

There are rumours that Erdei-Garay III is next. Any information if that's true?

I've only seen the two Garay bouts and the other recent ones, which he has dominated Gonzalez well and some others, I was impressed with those bouts. He also won 11 rounds to 1 against Ulrich on my card.

I don't know anything about Erdei's matchmaking...

[kg0208]

In the Official ESB rankings this Sunday, I'm rooting for that title to start out as vacant. Hopkins is not the real champion.

Hopkins is #4 for me as well....but I have Woods at #2 over Erdai.

[Darien]

I will be there - are you also going to Dresden?
Not sure yet, but if I'll have the money then by all means! :smoke

[Amsterdam]

Sweet! I'm really looking forward to see what people come up with.

I'm surprised you have Hopkins ranked that highly, to be honest.

Top 5 is fair, my rankings aren't really out of the ordinary per say, but they do take certain factors that most establishments don't into the consideration and I do put a 'marginal' emphasis on the H2H factor, in which Hopkins is maybe top 8 H2H at LHW at best, but he did shutout Tarver and then the Wright win looks good 'on paper', but holds no real relevance to LHW at all.

#4 is about right IMO. Woods at #3.

[Amsterdam]

Hopkins is #4 for me as well....but I have Woods at #2 over Erdai.

Woods over Erdei is reasonable. But I had Johnson drawing with him last time out and I take that into consideration. Erdei also defeated Gonzalez clearer, who Woods just fought twice recently.

Interesting how after all of these damn debates with bias from every corner of boxing taste and how we're agreeing on many of these things involved.

[Lampley]

Top 5 is fair, my rankings aren't really out of the ordinary per say, but they do take certain factors that most establishments don't into the consideration and I do put a 'marginal' emphasis on the H2H factor, in which Hopkins is maybe top 8 H2H at LHW at best, but he did shutout Tarver and then the Wright win looks good 'on paper', but holds no real relevance to LHW at all.

#4 is about right IMO. Woods at #3.

Works for me. I agree with having him ranked there, but for some reason I thought you'd have him lower.

[Lampley]

Hopkins is ring champ, Erdei linear and Dawson by most accounts is the best lhw right now. A bit confusing. I don´t think there´s a real champ right now.

It's a mess. Can you imagine the Ring belt if Jones beats Trinidad and somehow takes a decision from Hopkins? RJJ once again ruling as your supreme being at 175? :nut

[Amsterdam]

Works for me. I agree with having him ranked there, but for some reason I thought you'd have him lower.

Because I cut down the 'circle jerking circuit' routine so much?:D

[Darien]

There are rumours that Erdei-Garay III is next. Any information if that's true?
If it will be a mandatory, and those who are in higher position on the rankings don't want to fight Erdei then it's possible that Garay will be named by the WBO. He's no.6 if my memory serves well.

[Lampley]

Because I cut down the 'circle jerking circuit' routine so much?:D

Well, maybe. :lol:

You know I agree with you on all that, though.

[Amsterdam]

Well, maybe. :lol:

You know I agree with you on all that, though.

Well yes, it's very blatant in fact, but fans eat it up.

Regardless, when you have no ammunition really OTHER than the fact that the match ups are not at the top class of the division, but just money makers, you still cannot drop a guy to the lower top 10 when he's considered by most as the current champion, even if you really want to just take him off the map totally.:lol:

Nah, I really respect Hopkins, but he just needs to either fight a top level LHW and get his final serving and payday, or retire gracefully.

[Lampley]

Well yes, it's very blatant in fact, but fans eat it up.

Regardless, when you have no ammunition really OTHER than the fact that the match ups are not at the top class of the division, but just money makers, you still cannot drop a guy to the lower top 10 when he's considered by most as the current champion, even if you really want to just take him off the map totally.:lol:

Nah, I really respect Hopkins, but he just needs to either fight a top level LHW and get his final serving and payday, or retire gracefully.

True enough. I love Hopkins and view him as an all-time genetic freak, regardless of sport. To maintain continuously for so long in a combat sport, it blows my mind.

But I don't like the way he and Tarver have tried to take the division hostage. It's time for new blood.

[scorpy]

Adamek called Erdei out to make the fight but there was no answer...just as there will be none for Dawson, should he call the Hungarian out.

That's what I was thinking. Erdei is overprotected, and I don't usually use this term lightly.

[PH|LLA]

Mendoza is a C level fighter
Tarver is a B level fighter

both these fighters were dominated in their last fight

[Darien]

That's what I was thinking. Erdei is overprotected, and I don't usually use this term lightly.
True, but that's Universum's promotional style. They do that with every fighter they have.

[andyZOR]

Fuck Erdei for now. Give Diaconu his shot!

[Amsterdam]

Fuck Erdei for now. Give Diaconu his shot!

Chad wasn't the guy who pulled out mate.

[andyZOR]

Chad wasn't the guy who pulled out mate.

I know. I just want want to see them fight. Would be a good fight imo.

[brooklyn1550]

Good fight...will clear up some big questions. Dawson by UD

[Mrvooh]

Okay my posting mates, all of this LHW talk is getting pretty exciting because it's a heavily underrated division with potential match ups that would fall in the 'hardcore boxing fan's wet dream' category.

In my opinion, Chad Dawson is the best that LHW has to offer right now and Szolt Erdei is directly under at the #2 spot.

What do these guys have in common? They DOMINATE the B and B+ level guys like true P4P fighters should and show little flaw, Erdei, like Mikkel Kessler, has probably lost less than 10 rounds in his entire career with a less entertaining style than Kessler of course, but an effective one and he's a thinking man's stand up boxer-puncher.:good

Both guys have some good wins, maybe a bit to Erdei in terms of more wins, but with Dawson's domination of Tomasz Adamek being a 'signature' win and not just a 'crop' win like Erdei has come up with. I think Erdei would have shut out Adamek also by the way, he's an excellent boxer.

Now -

Most people aren't familiar with Szolt Erdei, but they are familiar with Chad Dawson. This unification match up would be two A class level in a bout to decide who is the TRUE MAN in the division, even though the media thinks old man Hopkins still is that guy.

The winner of this bout would undoubtedly deserve a cemented P4P ranking, as two elite's square off in a unification match up in a pretty hot division in terms of talent and skill. So let's try and forget about the Tarver's and others of the World, because they are not even in the mix with of the level that these two fighters are at anymore.

Let's hope this match comes sometime in the near future.:D
Nice thread topic Amster, something different from Taylor / Pavlik.
I have not seen the Erdster, but I have seen dawson, and you are right
about him, which means you are likely right about the Zoltster, Erdei.
AHHHH BUT WHERE would they fight??:hi:

[scorpy]

Chad wasn't the guy who pulled out mate.

So what are you saying ? That Diaconu should loose his mandatory status because he pulled out of a fight ? He did it because he is injured. If it was because he wants no part of Chad, I would agree with you but since he pulled out for a legit reason, he should keep his mandatory status.

If Chad Dawson had pulled out, should Diaconu have fought Mendoza for the WBC LH title ? I think not.

[scorpy]

True, but that's Universum's promotional style. They do that with every fighter they have.

Oh sure. I am not blaming Erdei for this situation.