Kelly Pavlik vs Joe Calzaghe who wins? [Archive]

Shake

10-02-2007, 01:53 PM

Astola

10-02-2007, 01:55 PM

Calzaghe WIDE ud or TKO. Pavlik could retire in the corner - even being the true warrior he is.

JETSKI

10-02-2007, 01:59 PM

Joe Calzaghe. This is the worst match-up available to Kelly. Calzaghe has ring intelligence, quick feet, strikes from odd angles and doesn't tire out.

From Calzaghe's standpoint, Pavlik is a straight come forward fighter who is slower than he is. Remind you of anyone? Sure, Pavlik's punches are straighter and he has more reach than Lacy, but still, I'd have to favor Calzaghe.

I am petty curious if Pavlik will carry his power up with him.

Don't even begin to compare KP to that hay-maker-throwing muscle-bound bum that was Jeff Lacy.

So Calzaghe slaps Kelly into submission???:lol:

Can't wait for this one. But Joe C has to get by Kessler & that might not happen. As much as I want Kessler to beat Joe, if JC wins, all we'll have to look forward to is Pavlik vs Calzahge.

Shake

10-02-2007, 02:02 PM

I rate Pavlik over Lacy, but he's not a ATG or anything. I'd actually have no favorite in a fight between Joe and Kelly, but Joe is in another class. Kelly has a decent shot if he carries all his power up with him, but I'm not sure that'd happen.

There's a good chance he'd be even slower at 168. Handspeed kills -- it's the only thing he really had a problem with in his fight with Taylor.

doublesuited

10-02-2007, 02:02 PM

Calzaghe by murder.

Vincent Gottschalk

10-02-2007, 02:05 PM

Slappy Joe will slug with the Ghost and no one stands up too the white Bob Foster, Pavlik wins in 9:hey

China_hand_Joe

10-02-2007, 02:07 PM

I know Pavlik has very hurtful punches but Calzaghe would easily out slug him, simply with speed, skill and accuracy.

peter5

10-02-2007, 02:11 PM

I know Pavlik has very hurtful punches but Calzaghe would easily out slug him, simply with speed, skill and accuracy.

A truer word has never been spoken:good

Jose FM

10-02-2007, 02:11 PM

I got Pavlik by 9th round KO....

King Dan

10-02-2007, 02:11 PM

Calzaghe slaps Pavlik around for 8 rounds, gets cocky and KO'd in the 10th or 11th.

Pavlik wins.

Strike

10-02-2007, 02:11 PM

Lacy would stop Pavlik. I cannot believe how overhyped this guy is. He is a good fighter, good power and good heart. That is about it. He is slow, has not great footwork, is easy to hit and does not have a particularly fantastic chin..not a bad chin, but certainly not Lacy like.

Lacy hits probably as hard and has a better chin, so the two of them would meet in a brawl and Lacy wins.

As for Calzaghe..PLEASE. It would utterly one sided. Pavlik has no way near the speed or ability to trouble Calzaghe. Kessler is a real tough fight, Pavlik would struggle to get near Calzaghe.

Jose FM

10-02-2007, 02:17 PM

Whats sad is that Pavlik has fought better fighters this year than Calzaghe has ever...:yep

China_hand_Joe

10-02-2007, 02:18 PM

Focus prime Robin Reid beats both Pavlik and Taylor.

Jose FM

10-02-2007, 02:19 PM

Focus prime Robin Reid beats both Pavlik and Taylor.
Nope... JT is better and has beat better comp. So has Pavlik.

China_hand_Joe

10-02-2007, 02:21 PM

Robin Reid was almost competitive with a green, injured Calzaghe. He should be ranked higher.

Vincent Gottschalk

10-02-2007, 02:22 PM

hildegard

10-02-2007, 02:23 PM

Re Calzaghe...............he is unbeaten true.. But is coming to the end of
his career. Pavlik has a great chin. and strong, what a puncher.
I never have been a Calzaghe fan because his apponents have been
carefully chosen,, and not great punchers like Kelly.
I think Pavlik will be a great champ. BUT lets see more lateral body movement
and head movement.
GOOD LUCK KELLY
regards to your family
HILDEGARD IN the uk

lucasehr

10-02-2007, 02:24 PM

Calzaghe can throw those flurries that JT threw, but without exhausting himself the way Taylor did. I also have to imagine this is wide UD or late TKO

Boom_Boom

10-02-2007, 02:24 PM

People think just cause Calzaghe is quick and soft handed hes a boxer, but judging from his last few fights he actually looks like a brawler.

I give Pavlik a good chance, if calzaghe chooses to brawl against pavlik.

Strike

10-02-2007, 02:33 PM

Yes:lol: YES:lol: Hot and cold running Joe is gonna out class Pavlik:patsch The guy has one good fight with Lacy and now he is not Joe Calzaghe he is Joe Louis:-( You Euro Boys kill me:p Pavlik hits much to hard for the Walsh man

That is funny what was it everyone said before Lacy fought Calzaghe? Oh yeah hits too hard. It is NOTHING to do with bias and being "Euro". I have always said that someone like RJJ in his prime would outclass Calzaghe and with ease.
But Pavlik is simply not that good. He is being hyped because he beat Taylor, well sorry but I am not basing Calzaghes ability purely on the big win against Lacy, I am basing on actual attributes and the fact that he has beaten a far better list of fighters than the smaller Pavlik.

BITCH ASS

10-02-2007, 02:34 PM

BTW, I think Calzaghe is afraid of Pavlik.

He wanted to fight Taylor instead.

Strike

10-02-2007, 02:35 PM

Whats sad is that Pavlik has fought better fighters this year than Calzaghe has ever...:yep

Really? So you think Taylor who has had several gifts is better than Chris Eubank?
Who on Pavliks resume is better than Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell and Lacy?

Strike

10-02-2007, 02:38 PM

BTW, I think Calzaghe is afraid of Pavlik.

He wanted to fight Taylor instead.

:lol::lol::lol:

This is unbelievable. I was one of Calzaghes biggest critics, but when everyone said there was no chance he would dare face Lacy, he did. Everyone said he is getting KO'd, he wasted Lacy and now Lacy is portrayed as crap by the revisionists.
Then EVERYONE says he will never face Kessler and what a coward he is, watch him duck Kessler and now he is fighting Kessler.

So the latest one is he is scared of Pavlik and if he signed to fight Pavlik and beat him you would all say he was a coward for fighting a blown up middleweight and that he was ducking X, Y and Z.:roll:

Jose FM

10-02-2007, 02:40 PM

Really? So you think Taylor who has had several gifts is better than Chris Eubank?
Who on Pavliks resume is better than Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell and Lacy?
Gifts or not, he beat an ATG in Hopkins 2x, that right there is better than all those waste of letters up there.

Strike

10-02-2007, 02:41 PM

i hate it when people said wide UD or easy win, for god sake, when two champion fought, that's pretty rare that an easy win, Calzaghe beat an overrated Jeff Lacy(good boxer) really easy, but I don't think that Lacy is at the level of Pavlik, Lacy don't seem to have one heart like Pavlik, I do think that his workrate is better..
But I do think that Calzaghe, at this point, beat an young pavlik, but in a couple of year, with big fight under the belt of Pavlik, this one could beat JC by KO
Now, Calzaghe would won by UD

You don't think Lacy has heart? The guy went over to Calzaghes backyard, and in front of thousands of baying fans he fought 12 rounds taking an absolute beating every minute of every round and yet came out for the final round still trying to fight and refusing to be stopped or quit.

BITCH ASS

10-02-2007, 02:41 PM

:lol::lol::lol:

This is unbelievable. I was one of Calzaghes biggest critics, but when everyone said there was no chance he would dare face Lacy, he did. Everyone said he is getting KO'd, he wasted Lacy and now Lacy is portrayed as crap by the revisionists.
Then EVERYONE says he will never face Kessler and what a coward he is, watch him duck Kessler and now he is fighting Kessler.

So the latest one is he is scared of Pavlik and if he signed to fight Pavlik and beat him you would all say he was a coward for fighting a blown up middleweight and that he was ducking X, Y and Z.:roll:

When has Calzaghe ever faced an opponent like Pavlik?

He beat Lacy, but Lacy was also, shorter, slower, and one dimensional.

Lacy also lacked the workrate that was necessary and goes to the head far too much.

Not only that, but had half as many fights as Calzaghe.

Calzaghe is a good fighter, don't get me wrong, but when has he ever been in with a puncher like Pavlik?

He doesn't want any.

I didn't say he would duck him though. I think he will accept if he wins against Kessler, he'll have to likely fight Pavlik.

Strike

10-02-2007, 02:43 PM

Gifts or not, he beat an ATG in Hopkins 2x, that right there is better than all those waste of letters up there.

Shows how pig ignorant you are about boxing if you think the likes of Eubank class as a "waste of letters".

Jose FM

10-02-2007, 02:43 PM

:lol::lol::lol:

This is unbelievable. I was one of Calzaghes biggest critics, but when everyone said there was no chance he would dare face Lacy, he did. Everyone said he is getting KO'd, he wasted Lacy and now Lacy is portrayed as crap by the revisionists.
Then EVERYONE says he will never face Kessler and what a coward he is, watch him duck Kessler and now he is fighting Kessler.

So the latest one is he is scared of Pavlik and if he signed to fight Pavlik and beat him you would all say he was a coward for fighting a blown up middleweight and that he was ducking X, Y and Z.:roll:
In the fight game you gotta prove yourself, Calzaghes last three fights read like this : Lacy, Bika, by UD and Manfredo by BS stopagge . Pavliks read like this Zertuche, Miranda, and Lineal MW Champ Taylor all by KO. You tell me who has earned their respect? Pavlik or Calcracky?

Strike

10-02-2007, 02:47 PM

When has Calzaghe ever faced an opponent like Pavlik?

He beat Lacy, but Lacy was also, shorter, slower, and one dimensional.

Lacy also lacked the workrate that was necessary and goes to the head far too much.

Not only that, but had half as many fights as Calzaghe.

Calzaghe is a good fighter, don't get me wrong, but when has he ever been in with a puncher like Pavlik?

He doesn't want any.

I didn't say he would duck him though. I think he will accept if he wins against Kessler, he'll have to likely fight Pavlik.

Pavlik is one dimensional and Lacy is just as big a puncher as Pavlik. Mitchell was a banger too and so was Reid and so was Eubank. So to answer your question he has been in with several guys who were big punchers at Super Middle. Pavlik is a big puncher at Middle and there is nothing to say his power will just carry up the same. Look at someone like Guzman as an example of how one weight class can alter the impact of a puncher.

And Pavlik is very much a Lacy, in that he is slow, come forward and relys on his pressure and power. NOBODY was saying Lacy was overrated until he got done by Calzaghe. And he had blown away guys like Reid who had never even been floored in their careers never mind stopped.

If Calzaghe beats Kessler then he will move up to light heavy so this fight wont happen, but if by some miracle it does, I would put my house on Pavlik being comprehensively outboxed and busted up.

Jose FM

10-02-2007, 02:47 PM

Shows how pig ignorant you are about boxing if you think the likes of Eubank class as a "waste of letters".
Ok, ill give you Eubank, but still that was 10 years ago, and its sad that even still thats his biggest fight against a fading guy 10 years ago. Cmon man, thats weak...

Strike

10-02-2007, 02:49 PM

In the fight game you gotta prove yourself, Calzaghes last three fights read like this : Lacy, Bika, by UD and Manfredo by BS stopagge . Pavliks read like this Zertuche, Miranda, and Lineal MW Champ Taylor all by KO. You tell me who has earned their respect? Pavlik or Calcracky?

I am not looking at the past 3 fights, I am looking at total resumes. Pavlik has my respect, a lot of it. I am neither disrespecting his accomplishments or his professional pride and ambition.
I am saying he does not have the tools to beat Calzaghe and he doesn't. Being a banger at Middleweight does not mean you can step in and stop a guy who is a big supermiddle who has shown to have a very solid chin and more importantly who has superior boxing skills in every single other department.

Strike

10-02-2007, 02:51 PM

Ok, ill give you Eubank, but still that was 10 years ago, and its sad that even still thats his biggest fight against a fading guy 10 years ago. Cmon man, thats weak...

Indeed it is, because Calzaghe has been a greedy, comfort zone cunt for most of his career. Happy to fight no hopers and earn his money rather than test himself as often as he should. However whenever he has tested himself against very very good fighters he has won. And when he has been totally focused he has shown himself to be an outstanding talent that is simply on another level to a gutsy, puncher like Kelly Pavlik.

brooklyn1550

10-02-2007, 04:01 PM

Calzaghe

Drofrah

10-02-2007, 04:12 PM

Pavlik would be far to easy for Joe to hit. TKO or a wide margin UD

Shotgun

10-02-2007, 06:16 PM

Calzaghe would make Pavlik look like an amateur. Pavlik has better technique than Lacy for sure but he doesn't have the speed or the one punch power to
trouble JC in any particular way. Calzaghe would slap him silly en route to a late TKO

mattress

10-02-2007, 06:18 PM

I like Pavlik but I hope he faces the winner of JC-MK just to shut a few people on here up.

Shotgun

10-02-2007, 06:18 PM

In the fight game you gotta prove yourself, Calzaghes last three fights read like this : Lacy, Bika, by UD and Manfredo by BS stopagge . Pavliks read like this Zertuche, Miranda, and Lineal MW Champ Taylor all by KO. You tell me who has earned their respect? Pavlik or Calcracky?

Resumes don't win you fights. Otherwise Jermain Taylor would have destroyed Pavlik. It doesn't matter who Pavlik has fought and defeated in terms of predicting who would win this fight because none of the people he has defeated are similar to Calzaghe. Calzaghe is a stylistic nightmare for Pavlik