Kelly Pavlik vs Mikkel Kessler who wins?

[Vincent Gottschalk]

Who do guys think wins this fight?

[Astola]

Kessler Tko 9.

Kessler is way superior to Pavlik. Pavlik may have an edge in power, but everything else is Kessler's.

Not a good fight for Kelly:deal

[China_hand_Joe]

Kessler would completely demolish Pavlik, probably worse than Calzaghe or anyone else 160-168.

[Shake]

Again I'd have to favor Pavlik's opponent. Kessler already showed us how well he deals with pressure in his fight with Andrade. Besides that, I'm not sure if there's anything Kelly does better than Kessler. They're pretty similar.

[China_hand_Joe]

Again I'd have to favor Pavlik's opponent. Kessler already showed us how well he deals with pressure in his fight with Andrade. Besides that, I'm not sure if there's anything Kelly does better than Kessler. They're pretty similar.

And the almost equally open Pavlik will not take Kessler's shot anywhere near as well as Andrade.

[doublesuited]

Kessler by murder.

[BITCH ASS]

Pavlik takes out Mikkel Kessler.

Taylor is leagues ahead Kessler, and as everyone witnessed on Saturday night, a prime and focused Taylor is arguably one of the most dangerous middleweights of all time.

The fight between he and Pavlik could have gone either way.

Anyway, the point is Kessler.

First of all aside from Mundine, (who?), who has Kessler beat? Not only that, but who has Kessler beat that could compare to a guy like Pavlik?

Kessler is good in a conventional way, he has a good jab and a good right hand and his height and reach has given him a boxer's advantage over an overrated division.

Kessler lacks many of the things Taylor has though. I'm using Taylor as an example because Pavlik just beat him.

Taylor is faster, hits harder, is more elusive, has big stage experience, and has a more diverse arsenal.

What does Kessler have on Taylor?

When concerning Pavlik, he has just as much headmovement as Kessler, (little to none), hits much harder, puts his punches together better, A BETTER FINISHER, and has big time experience.

Kessler will get backed into a corner and knocked out.

The most difficult opponent for Pavlik is Taylor.

[BITCH ASS]

People use Andrade as an example of how Kessler deals with pressure?

A guy with no punch, that uses his chin as defense, and has no idea how to corner a fighter?

Are you fuckin kidding me?

You supermiddleweight guys reach when you talk about your fighters.

BTW, Pavlik would likely KO Lacy too.

[Vincent Gottschalk]

Kelly takes out the Euro trash in 8 the dutch man is just not tough enough:yep

[Astola]

Capfunds.


Youre a looney. Thats an insane post.

Im dissapointed in you.

[BITCH ASS]

Capfunds.


Youre a looney. Thats an insane post.

Im dissapointed in you.

What makes you think Kessler would win?

Pavlik is taller and rangier than him.

Kessler is already negated since all he brings to the table is reach, height and a 1-2.

His footwork and headmovement is no matter than Pavlik's nor does he punch as hard, and he definitely hasn't fought anywhere NEAR the level of competition especially at such HIGH EXPECTATIONS.

So what is special about Kessler?

[China_hand_Joe]

Pavlik takes out Mikkel Kessler.

Taylor is leagues ahead Kessler, and as everyone witnessed on Saturday night, a prime and focused Taylor is arguably one of the most dangerous middleweights of all time.

The fight between he and Pavlik could have gone either way.

Anyway, the point is Kessler.

First of all aside from Mundine, (who?), who has Kessler beat? Not only that, but who has Kessler beat that could compare to a guy like Pavlik?

Mundine would beat Pavlik up for the first half, if they ever fought.

Kessler is good in a conventional way, he has a good jab and a good right hand and his height and reach has given him a boxer's advantage over an overrated division.

Were you deliberately describing Pavlik here?


Kessler lacks many of the things Taylor has though. I'm using Taylor as an example because Pavlik just beat him.

Taylor is faster, hits harder, is more elusive, has big stage experience, and has a more diverse arsenal.

Kessler clearly hits harder. Spinks...Wright...and the rest lasted the distance.

What does Kessler have on Taylor?

Stamina, intelligence, skill, a jab, a right hand, the ability to feint. All Taylor has is a little speed for two rounds.

When concerning Pavlik, he has just as much headmovement as Kessler, (little to none), hits much harder, puts his punches together better, A BETTER FINISHER, and has big time experience.

Andrade landed 10% of his punches on Kessler. Kessler has an immense defence, and against an easy to read opponenent like Kelly "Two Punch" Pavlik he'd have a feild day blocking him.

Kessler will get backed into a corner and knocked out.

The most difficult opponent for Pavlik is Taylor.dfghjkl

[Astola]

What makes you think Kessler would win?

Pavlik is taller and rangier than him.

Kessler is already negated since all he brings to the table is reach, height and a 1-2.

His footwork and headmovement is no matter than Pavlik's nor does he punch as hard, and he definitely hasn't fought anywhere NEAR the level of competition especially at such HIGH EXPECTATIONS.

So what is special about Kessler?


Ill get back to this post later. Dont have the time now - but I will teach you a lesson about Kessler and the things that clearly passed your attention.

In 3 hours.

[Boom_Boom]

Kessler has the best Jab in the game today

Pavliks power comes from pressure, Kessler's power comes from Countering

Pavlik's style fits Kessler's

Kessler by Mid round TKO

[Shake]

Kessler is good in a conventional way, he has a good jab and a good right hand and his height and reach has given him a boxer's advantage over an overrated division.

Erase Kessler, insert Pavlik. :D

Not really -- Pavlik is a ood come-forward guy, the kind the public's love (as do I), but he's very vulnerable. Kessler has fewer holes in his game, is more versatile, and thought both are conventional, has a more varied offensive arsenal.

[China_hand_Joe]

Kessler is good in a conventional way, he has a good jab and a good right hand and his height and reach has given him a boxer's advantage over an overrated division.

Erase Kessler, insert Pavlik. :D

Not really -- Pavlik is a ood come-forward guy, the kind the public's love (as do I), but he's very vulnerable. Kessler has fewer holes in his game, is more versatile, and thought both are conventional, has a more varied offensive arsenal.

One also has a defence.

[China_hand_Joe]

It is a complete mismatch.

Kessler would embarrass him.

[BITCH ASS]

dfghjkl

So Mundine is more athletic and more elusive than Taylor. :patsch

Don't think so.

Taylor may even hit harder than Pavlik, yet you think Kessler hits harder? Kessler made it RAIN on Andrade, yet couldn't put him away.

For a guy that you say is more technically sound than Taylor who wasn't able to put away some of his opponents, despite his superior power, doesn't it hurt your argument considering that Kessler failed to put away a guy that should have NEVER gone the distance with him?

Kessler hasn't fought anybody. Taylor has fought some of the best that boxing has to offer.

And if anyone is a 1-2 throwing machine, it's Kessler, who by the way would be dwarfed by Kelly in this fight, thereby negating his only weapons.

Then what is Kessler going to do? You think he's quick and agile enough to get inside like Taylor did?

You realize that Pavlik generally goes to the body, but it was difficult to hit Taylor cleanly because of the way that he held his hands, so sure Kessler may block more punches to his face, INITIALLY, but eventually those left hooks to the body are going to drop his hands.

Then it will be the same thing you've seen before, Kessler backed into a corner and knocked out.

Kessler, who's offensively limited, and smaller than Pavlik does not have the style to beat him.

I don't see why everyone is on this guy's dick.

[BITCH ASS]

Kessler is good in a conventional way, he has a good jab and a good right hand and his height and reach has given him a boxer's advantage over an overrated division.

Erase Kessler, insert Pavlik. :D

Not really -- Pavlik is a ood come-forward guy, the kind the public's love (as do I), but he's very vulnerable. Kessler has fewer holes in his game, is more versatile, and thought both are conventional, has a more varied offensive arsenal.

Kessler DOES NOT have a more varied offensive arsenal.

SHOW ME SOMETHING where he throws better combinations and more punches than Pavlik.

If he was as good as you people make him out to be he would have smashed Andrade in the body and then put him to sleep in the late rounds.

[BITCH ASS]

Kessler would be alot tougher than Taylor was for Pavlik for two main reasons
One is he keeps his hands up. Jt invited right hand after right hand with his left hand down in his pockets. Also Kessler has a great jab, which fustrated Pavlik until his jab started to land even harder and Jt stopped throwing his. And the other main reason is he has the stamina to go the distance with Pavlik. JT faded in both Bhop fights, the Winky fight and the Pavlik fight. Kessler will not fade.

Because JT left his hand down, it made it more difficult to hit him in the body cleanly.

Kessler wouldn't do that and would be crushed to his body.

[Jose FM]

Pavlik by UD. I think Kessler smartly boxes and tries to stay away but loses anyway.

[tuna]

Kessler by KO6

[Danny Ocean]

Pavlik takes out Mikkel Kessler.

Taylor is leagues ahead Kessler, and as everyone witnessed on Saturday night, a prime and focused Taylor is arguably one of the most dangerous middleweights of all time.

The fight between he and Pavlik could have gone either way.

Anyway, the point is Kessler.

First of all aside from Mundine, (who?), who has Kessler beat? Not only that, but who has Kessler beat that could compare to a guy like Pavlik?

Kessler is good in a conventional way, he has a good jab and a good right hand and his height and reach has given him a boxer's advantage over an overrated division.

Kessler lacks many of the things Taylor has though. I'm using Taylor as an example because Pavlik just beat him.

Taylor is faster, hits harder, is more elusive, has big stage experience, and has a more diverse arsenal.

What does Kessler have on Taylor?

When concerning Pavlik, he has just as much headmovement as Kessler, (little to none), hits much harder, puts his punches together better, A BETTER FINISHER, and has big time experience.

Kessler will get backed into a corner and knocked out.

The most difficult opponent for Pavlik is Taylor.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[China_hand_Joe]

So Mundine is more athletic and more elusive than Taylor. :patsch

Don't think so.

Taylor may even hit harder than Pavlik, yet you think Kessler hits harder? Kessler made it RAIN on Andrade, yet couldn't put him away.

For a guy that you say is more technically sound than Taylor who wasn't able to put away some of his opponents, despite his superior power, doesn't it hurt your argument considering that Kessler failed to put away a guy that should have NEVER gone the distance with him?

Kessler hasn't fought anybody. Taylor has fought some of the best that boxing has to offer.

And if anyone is a 1-2 throwing machine, it's Kessler, who by the way would be dwarfed by Kelly in this fight, thereby negating his only weapons.

Then what is Kessler going to do? You think he's quick and agile enough to get inside like Taylor did?

You realize that Pavlik generally goes to the body, but it was difficult to hit Taylor cleanly because of the way that he held his hands, so sure Kessler may block more punches to his face, INITIALLY, but eventually those left hooks to the body are going to drop his hands.

Then it will be the same thing you've seen before, Kessler backed into a corner and knocked out.

Kessler, who's offensively limited, and smaller than Pavlik does not have the style to beat him.

I don't see why everyone is on this guy's dick.

Taylor could stop WWs mate. WWs Zab Judah could.

Mundine beats Taylor because he's a fighter mate.

Kessler is actualy capable on one or two hooks a fight.

Pavlik is Carlos Maussa with straight punches.

[shavers]

Pavlik takes out Mikkel Kessler.

Taylor is leagues ahead Kessler, and as everyone witnessed on Saturday night, a prime and focused Taylor is arguably one of the most dangerous middleweights of all time.

The fight between he and Pavlik could have gone either way.

Anyway, the point is Kessler.

First of all aside from Mundine, (who?), who has Kessler beat? Not only that, but who has Kessler beat that could compare to a guy like Pavlik?

Kessler is good in a conventional way, he has a good jab and a good right hand and his height and reach has given him a boxer's advantage over an overrated division.

Kessler lacks many of the things Taylor has though. I'm using Taylor as an example because Pavlik just beat him.

Taylor is faster, hits harder, is more elusive, has big stage experience, and has a more diverse arsenal.

What does Kessler have on Taylor?

When concerning Pavlik, he has just as much headmovement as Kessler, (little to none), hits much harder, puts his punches together better, A BETTER FINISHER, and has big time experience.

Kessler will get backed into a corner and knocked out.

The most difficult opponent for Pavlik is Taylor.


Ha ha ha, you are joking right?

[BITCH ASS]

LOL...When did you ever see Pavlik KO someone to the body???? He is a headhunter and barely throws to the body. You never know for sure but Im usually good about picking fights, mainly because I dont pick as a fan. I would pick Kessler to KO Pavlik in the late rounds. Now I know most of you guys only have been watching Pavlik for two fights....admit it, but Ive seen Pavlik fight and been floored twice by no name opponents. Sure he's gotten up and destroyed them but he is very easy to hit.

So you watch one fight and now all of a sudden Kelly is a headhunter?

So I'm assuming you didn't watch him crush Miranda and Zertuche to the body with hard left hooks?

Without those left hooks to the body, Miranda would have had bricks for hands. Those body shots against Miranda won the fight.

And what exactly does Kessler bring to the table?

Please.....

[BITCH ASS]

Kessler is just a taller boxer with a good 1-2.

But he's shorter and with less reach than Pavlik, doesn't fight on the inside, has little to no headmovement, doesn't go to the body, yet he KO's Pavlik?

Does this make any sense?

So you're saying an outside fighter with no inside fighting intangibles, beats a better, harder hitting outside fighter that's taller and rangier?

Uh......okay........explain please.

Because if Kessler goes into this fight trying to utilize his jab the way Taylor did, except with LITTLE TO NO headmovement, and then relies on his straight right, he's getting knocked the fuck out.

This is the formula for disaster.

EXPLAIN HOW KESSLER WINS PLEASE.

[BITCH ASS]

LMAO...I just told you I have watched Pavlik for qiute some time already and he doesnt throw to the body man. He knocked out Mckart,Zurtuche, Miranda and Taylor with one right hand. Now listen closely here son, Imma bout to teach you something. JT is one of the best MW in the world if not the best. The problem for him is his style will always get beat by Pavlik. He needs stamina and to keep his hands up to beat Pavlik, two things JT refuses to do. Now I hope I dont lose you with this......Kessler is as strong a puncher as Jt is P4P but heres what will give Pavlik a hard time, he has STAMINA. If Jt had stamina he would have beat Pavlik. Kessler also has a better JAB than JT. He is BIGGER than JT. He has just as good a RIGHT HAND as JT. Very difficult fight for Pavlik but I also think Calzaghe easily beats him.

Okay, I guess the fights I saw where Pavlik was destroying Miranda to the body were just some dreams I was having.

How you gonna tell me he doesn't go to the body when I seen him with my own eyes and witnessed the effects for myself?

Kessler does not hit as hard as JT. What has Kessler done to suggest this?

He hasn't fought anybody. Never been in much of a spotlight in comparison, either.

Fact is though, Kessler doesn't fight on the inside well, his handspeed isn't on par with Taylor's, and he relies on his height, reach and 1-2 to beat his opponents.

Against a taller, rangier, harder hitting guy, that 1-2 shit ain't gonna work.

He's gonna get KTFO.

[sean]

kessler could win by making use of his better boxing fundamentals/keeping it long/pavlik on the end of the jab and making use of his faster hands.

kessler has proven he has the stamina to fight at a very fast pace for 12 rounds.

for pavlik to beat kessler IMO he will have to try and walk through kessler as he will not outbox him IMO and kessler is a very good front runner .

[sean]

Okay, I guess the fights I saw where Pavlik was destroying Miranda to the body were just some dreams I was having.

How you gonna tell me he doesn't go to the body when I seen him with my own eyes and witnessed the effects for myself?

Kessler does not hit as hard as JT. What has Kessler done to suggest this?

He hasn't fought anybody. Never been in much of a spotlight in comparison, either.

Fact is though, Kessler doesn't fight on the inside well, his handspeed isn't on par with Taylor's, and he relies on his height, reach and 1-2 to beat his opponents.

Against a taller, rangier, harder hitting guy, that 1-2 shit ain't gonna work.

He's gonna get KTFO.

not in the spotlight ????????
he has a whole country rooting for him.
there does not get much more pressure than that.

[BITCH ASS]

kessler could win by making use of his better boxing fundamentals/keeping it long/pavlik on the end of the jab and making use of his faster hands.

kessler has proven he has the stamina to fight at a very fast pace for 12 rounds.

for pavlik to beat kessler IMO he will have to try and walk through kessler as he will not outbox him IMO and kessler is a very good front runner .

But how will he keep him on the end of his jab when Taylor had trouble doing it?

Taylor has better head movement, is faster, and can fight on the inside.

Kessler can't do any of these things, and if he plans to win the fight on his jab, he's going to get KOed.

[Jose FM]

LMAO...I just told you I have watched Pavlik for qiute some time already and he doesnt throw to the body man. He knocked out Mckart,Zurtuche, Miranda and Taylor with one right hand. Now listen closely here son, Imma bout to teach you something. JT is one of the best MW in the world if not the best. The problem for him is his style will always get beat by Pavlik. He needs stamina and to keep his hands up to beat Pavlik, two things JT refuses to do. Now I hope I dont lose you with this......Kessler is as strong a puncher as Jt is P4P but heres what will give Pavlik a hard time, he has STAMINA. If Jt had stamina he would have beat Pavlik. Kessler also has a better JAB than JT. He is BIGGER than JT. He has just as good a RIGHT HAND as JT. Very difficult fight for Pavlik but I also think Calzaghe easily beats him.
So when Pavlik beats a puncher in Miranda, Miranda is nothing more than an overhyped brawler, when Pavlik beats a boxer in Taylor, Taylor has no defense, when he beats Zertuche hes too old, when he beats Zuniga hes not a top contender.... You guys just keep coming up with excuses...Bottomline Pavlik has beat better guys in one year than Calzaghe and Kessler together.

[sean]

But how will he keep him on the end of his jab when Taylor had trouble doing it?

Taylor has better head movement, is faster, and can fight on the inside.

Kessler can't do any of these things, and if he plans to win the fight on his jab, he's going to get KOed.

who said taylor is faster.

i have seen about 8 of taylors fights and 7 of kessler`s and i have never seen taylor as the noticably faster fighters albeit they would need to fight to be sure.


IMO kessler has the best jab in boxing and it is ramrod as well which is a very good weapon v a puncher, makes them keep on having to reset and breaks a puncher`s rythem.

as i said i see pavlik having to walk straight through kessler`s punches to get the win.

maybe he can , maybe he cannot, as kessler has good power.
just as good as taylor.

[BITCH ASS]

If his body attack is so potent ala Cotto why have we never seen anyone down off a body shot????????? Kessler is 39-0. He's never been on the floor. Pavlik has been on the floor three times in his career. Kessler is fighting one of the best fighters on the planet, Pavlik or JT would get embarrased by Calzaghe. We shall see what Kessler is really made of. To bad JT didnt have the stamina to end this nonsense in the second round, we wouldnt have to deal with all these Pavlik nuthuggers all day. Pavlik was one uppercut away from being put to sleep but of course JT cant throw more than three punches at a time.

So how in the fuck is Kessler gonna beat Pavlik?

Because if you say off his jab from the outside, he's going to get annihiliated.

Kessler hasn't fought SHIT either. Of course he hasn't been down.

[sean]

i said tayor would be faster and technically better than pavlik in my prediction.
but i also said that pavlik would have more heart and will to win and beat taylor.

[BITCH ASS]

What the hell......Taylor was lighting him uop from the outside with the jab up until the fifth round where ........HE GOT TIRED. Thats why Pavlik started to land his jab after that. He was already tired. Taylor was lifting his head with that jab. He was easily being outboxed until he got tired

Fact is though, is that Taylor is more athletic, with better headmovement than Kessler.

Yet Kessler is gonna beat Pavlik?

Come on.

[Jose FM]

What the hell......Taylor was lighting him uop from the outside with the jab up until the fifth round where ........HE GOT TIRED. Thats why Pavlik started to land his jab after that. He was already tired. Taylor was lifting his head with that jab. He was easily being outboxed until he got tired
He didnt get tired Pavlik got him tired, Jermain was in the best shape of his life, ive never seen him so determined and cut up, he was in great shape, so dont even make excuses. Pavlik just outworked him and eventually KTFO!

[Clearly Cool]

you just need to check who Taylor have beat and who Kessler have beat

Thats stupid.

Kessler has stepped up to world class competition and performed flawlessly, which shows he is on the next level...which I guess is either great or elite.

Taylor did the same, but his fights were very controversial and he underperformed against lesser competition, something Kessler has never done.

[BITCH ASS]

Nobody said how Kessler would beat Pavlik.

[Jose FM]

Yes Pavlik got him tired and so did Bhop and Winky so dont act like Pavlik was the only one to wear him down...every elite fighter wears him down.
Oh cmon now your talking smack, Pavlik last 4 opponent had never been KO'ed and pavlik KO'ed them brutally.

[Clearly Cool]

To be recognised as Elite of Great, you need to have beat a couple of great or Elite..I dont think he have accomplish that

Good Call.

I guess to clarify I would say he is READY to become elite or great, and the Calzaghe fight will be his test.

[Harry]

kessler lost only 4 rounds in 39 fights dominating all hes opponents, the same he would do with pavlik/taylor. to skilled and to smart and to fast. very simple

[Astola]

What makes you think Kessler would win?

Pavlik is taller and rangier than him.

Kessler is already negated since all he brings to the table is reach, height and a 1-2.

His footwork and headmovement is no matter than Pavlik's nor does he punch as hard, and he definitely hasn't fought anywhere NEAR the level of competition especially at such HIGH EXPECTATIONS.

So what is special about Kessler?


Your love for Taylor is beyond me. The guy had talent - but apparently lost it together with his confidence right after the winky draw.

Taylor is history in my book.

Reasons that this fight is all wrong for Kelly.

You asked; Who has Kessler fought?

Well not that impressive resume by Mr. Kessler I agree - but he has been so freakin’ dominant that it hurts...

When Kessler fought Siaca he had to face a pressure fighter with reminds of Pavlik. Height and reach where in favour of Siaca and Siaca had some pop, yet not in the league of Pavlik.
Kessler demolished Siaca and he quit in the corner in the 7’th.

Kessler fought Anthony Mundine - a very quick, slick counterpuncher with a very good defence, yet no chin. Kessler couldnt hit Mundine clean, but still won comfortable by decision (In Australia).

Kessler thrashed the shot southpaw Marcus Beyer in three.

Kessler outclassed Andrade - winning every single round on all scorecards.


Out of these opponents Siaca and especially Andrade are comparable fighters (stylistically + height, reach) to Kelly Pavlik. Andrade is a pressure fighter just like Kelly Pavlik + Andrade has endless stamina, heart, titanium chin, one punch KO power and he throws from every angle imaginable even after being hit with a 4 punch combo flush.

Pavlik is a pretty one dimensional fighter. In his latest two fights (facing different styles) hes fought the excact same way. He apparently doesnt adapt to his opponent - which btw nearly ended his fight with JT in the second round. Pavlik has conquered the middle of the ring and from there he WALKS down his opponents with very good pressure and power in that vicious and loooong right cross.

Kessler, on the other hand, adapts well to his oponents. Usually he is fighting behind a stiff jab with 1-2’s, left hook to the body and 5-6-7 punch combos that rips peoples faces into a bloody mess. Yet - Kessler still hunts some of his opponents ”Pavlik Style” (Beyer, Siaca, Lucas) and when he does he, like PAvlik, wins by KO or TKO.


When comparing these two fighters I strongly believe that Kessler is WAY superiour to Pavlik in the speed, combination, intelligence, footwork, offensive and defensive departments.
If they ever fight I predict Pavlik attempting to put pressure on Kessler while Kessler will jab, counterpunch and land combinations that eventually will lead to a late TKO and possibly a KO. Pavlik will not be able to handle the punches that hit Andrade and Pavliks defence is only slightly better than Andrades leaky defence.

[BITCH ASS]

Your love for Taylor is beyond me. The guy had talent - but apparently lost it together with his confidence right after the winky draw.

Taylor is history in my book.

Reasons that this fight is all wrong for Kelly.

You asked; Who has Kessler fought?

Well not that impressive resume by Mr. Kessler I agree - but he has been so freakin’ dominant that it hurts...

When Kessler fought Siaca he had to face a pressure fighter with reminds of Pavlik. Height and reach where in favour of Siaca and Siaca had some pop, yet not in the league of Pavlik.
Kessler demolished Siaca and he quit in the corner in the 7’th.

Kessler fought Anthony Mundine - a very quick, slick counterpuncher with a very good defence, yet no chin. Kessler couldnt hit Mundine clean, but still won comfortable by decision (In Australia).

Kessler thrashed the shot southpaw Marcus Beyer in three.

Kessler outclassed Andrade - winning every single round on all scorecards.


Out of these opponents Siaca and especially Andrade are comparable fighters (stylistically + height, reach) to Kelly Pavlik. Andrade is a pressure fighter just like Kelly Pavlik + Andrade has endless stamina, heart, titanium chin, one punch KO power and he throws from every angle imaginable even after being hit with a 4 punch combo flush.

Pavlik is a pretty one dimensional fighter. In his latest two fights (facing different styles) hes fought the excact same way. He apparently doesnt adapt to his opponent - which btw nearly ended his fight with JT in the second round. Pavlik has conquered the middle of the ring and from there he WALKS down his opponents with very good pressure and power in that vicious and loooong right cross.

Kessler, on the other hand, adapts well to his oponents. Usually he is fighting behind a stiff jab with 1-2’s, left hook to the body and 5-6-7 punch combos that rips peoples faces into a bloody mess. Yet - Kessler still hunts some of his opponents ”Pavlik Style” (Beyer, Siaca, Lucas) and when he does he, like PAvlik, wins by KO or TKO.


When comparing these two fighters I strongly believe that Kessler is WAY superiour to Pavlik in the speed, combination, intelligence, footwork, offensive and defensive departments.
If they ever fight I predict Pavlik attempting to put pressure on Kessler while Kessler will jab, counterpunch and land combinations that eventually will lead to a late TKO and possibly a KO. Pavlik will not be able to handle the punches that hit Andrade and Pavliks defence is only slightly better than Andrades leaky defence.

This is an incredibly biased and warped opinion, based on the nobodies in the overrated 168 lb division.

Kessler has no chance against Pavlik.

Remember what I said IF and WHEN they fight.

[Astola]

Kessler DOES NOT have a more varied offensive arsenal.

SHOW ME SOMETHING where he throws better combinations and more punches than Pavlik.

If he was as good as you people make him out to be he would have smashed Andrade in the body and then put him to sleep in the late rounds.


Listen dude. I have Kesslers latest four fights. He throws alot more combos than Pavlik.

Thats a fact.

[BITCH ASS]

Listen dude. I have Kesslers latest four fights. He throws alot more combos than Pavlik.

Thats a fact.

Just like Andrade being comparable to Pavlik being a fact? :patsch

You got some major BIAS.

[BITCH ASS]

Andrande is Pavlik without the right hand but has a better chin than Pavlik.

Because he fought a guy who couldn't finish him?

You know, in the weakass SMW division, Andrade was a step up for Kessler.

Kessler couldn't put him away. Pavlik has been putting away every single guy he's faced.

What does this say about Kessler?

[Astola]

Just like Andrade being comparable to Pavlik being a fact? :patsch

You got some major BIAS.

Well, friend. It is a fact. They are both pressure fighters...

Hence why they have a comparable stylistic approach to fighting.

[Jose FM]

Andrande is Pavlik without the right hand but has a better chin than Pavlik.
Haha, you just killed yourself..

[Astola]

They will never fight because Kessler will not get by Calzaghe.

Maybe they will anyway - Kessler is still young and bound to rule 168 even if he looses to Calzaghe.

[Harry]

This is an incredibly biased and warped opinion, based on the nobodies in the overrated 168 lb division.

Kessler has no chance against Pavlik.

Remember what I said IF and WHEN they fight.

did you ever see kessler fight or are you just a hater ?

[China_hand_Joe]

but if you he was such a bum why did Goldenboy sign him?????????

Because he is Mexican and in entertaiing fights.

But anyway a few parrellels are there. Pavlik wouldn't take Kessler's shots anywhere near as well however.

[BITCH ASS]

Because he is Mexican and in entertaiing fights.

But anyway a few parrellels are there. Pavlik wouldn't take Kessler's shots anywhere near as well however.

Kessler wouldn't either as he would be on the canvass at the end of the fight due to his upright style and inabilty to fight on the inside.

[China_hand_Joe]

Pavlike has no uppercut. Can't on the inside.

[Astola]

This is an incredibly biased and warped opinion, based on the nobodies in the overrated 168 lb division.

Kessler has no chance against Pavlik.

Remember what I said IF and WHEN they fight.


Why do you think its biased and warped??

[BITCH ASS]

Wow...Im out...its like talking to kids when there passionate about Hulk Hogan or the Undertaker. All I could say is Pavlik wasn't overrated until I read this thread. Now he is in the ring beating Kessler and Calzaghe. Unbelievable. I blame you Jt for this. You should have finished him off when he was on another planet but of course...I know.....you have meltdowns. It aint your fault.

Well, how in the fuck does Kessler beat Pavlik?

With his 1-2?

Analyze the fight.

[Amsterdam]

Jeez.

At least the fucking poll reflects some measure of sanity here.. with Kessler by KO being the heavy favourite.

Pavlik almost got taken out by Jermain Taylor, who is not even as fast or precise as Kessler and lacks any measure of competent defence when the heat is put on him. Taylor also has no poise.

I'd say this is over in 3 rounds or less, Kessler will land his jab and straight right hand at will and Pavlik will get worn down and stopped with combinations as soon as he's hurt. Kessler is about two steps better than Kelly Pavlik.

[achillesthegreat]

Kessler UD. This fight would look ridiculous. It would be in fast forward. 200 punches a round for 12 rounds.

[Chief_Second]

kessler after he demolishes calzaghe - which i'm betting he will

[Amsterdam]

Well, how in the fuck does Kessler beat Pavlik?

With his 1-2?

Analyze the fight.

Kessler has also been known to throw 5 and 6 shot combinations in perfect precision and timing and with extremely fast handspeed. He also is quick on his feet, has some of the best timing in boxing and arguably the best jab in boxing and he's an excellent ring general.

Not to mention, Kessler's equal size to Pavlik and deals with straight forward pressure extremely well because he can fight off the backfoot and circle effectively.

This is a mismatch, you are utterly insane if you think Pavlik beats someone in the class that Mikkel Kessler resides in. Pavlik nearly got taken out in the second by Jermain Taylor, who is not even a puncher by any means, Kessler has stopped a variety of very durable opponents and starched Markus Beyer flat, who had been stopped before, but never straight up KTFO and he did it with a perfectly timed right hand bomb.

[Amsterdam]

Kessler UD. This fight would look ridiculous. It would be in fast forward. 200 punches a round for 12 rounds.

Taylor puts down Pavlik but Kessler can't put him away?:lol:

[BITCH ASS]

With counterpunching....the same way Taylor was beating him. With a jab....the same way Taylor was beating him. With backwards movement..the same way Taylor was beating him... with STAMINA...the way Taylor lost the fight. With defense the way Taylor lost the fight. You analyze it buddy

FACT: Kessler AIN'T Taylor.

He's a stiff!

[Astola]

Well, how in the fuck does Kessler beat Pavlik?

With his 1-2?

Analyze the fight.


Ill post this again - just for you Capfunds.


Your love for Taylor is beyond me. The guy had talent - but apparently lost it together with his confidence right after the winky draw.

Taylor is history in my book.

Reasons that this fight is all wrong for Kelly.

You asked; Who has Kessler fought?

Well not that impressive resume by Mr. Kessler I agree - but he has been so freakin’ dominant that it hurts...

When Kessler fought Siaca he had to face a pressure fighter with reminds of Pavlik. Height and reach where in favour of Siaca and Siaca had some pop, yet not in the league of Pavlik.
Kessler demolished Siaca and he quit in the corner in the 7’th.

Kessler fought Anthony Mundine - a very quick, slick counterpuncher with a very good defence, yet no chin. Kessler couldnt hit Mundine clean, but still won comfortable by decision (In Australia).

Kessler thrashed the shot southpaw Marcus Beyer in three.

Kessler outclassed Andrade - winning every single round on all scorecards.


Out of these opponents Siaca and especially Andrade are comparable fighters (stylistically + height, reach) to Kelly Pavlik. Andrade is a pressure fighter just like Kelly Pavlik + Andrade has endless stamina, heart, titanium chin, one punch KO power and he throws from every angle imaginable even after being hit with a 4 punch combo flush.

Pavlik is a pretty one dimensional fighter. In his latest two fights (facing different styles) hes fought the excact same way. He apparently doesnt adapt to his opponent - which btw nearly ended his fight with JT in the second round. Pavlik has conquered the middle of the ring and from there he WALKS down his opponents with very good pressure and power in that vicious and loooong right cross.

Kessler, on the other hand, adapts well to his oponents. Usually he is fighting behind a stiff jab with 1-2’s, left hook to the body and 5-6-7 punch combos that rips peoples faces into a bloody mess. Yet - Kessler still hunts some of his opponents ”Pavlik Style” (Beyer, Siaca, Lucas) and when he does he, like PAvlik, wins by KO or TKO.


When comparing these two fighters I strongly believe that Kessler is WAY superiour to Pavlik in the speed, combination, intelligence, footwork, offensive and defensive departments.
If they ever fight I predict Pavlik attempting to put pressure on Kessler while Kessler will jab, counterpunch and land combinations that eventually will lead to a late TKO and possibly a KO. Pavlik will not be able to handle the punches that hit Andrade and Pavliks defence is only slightly better than Andrades leaky defence.

[Amsterdam]

FACT: Kessler AIN'T Taylor.

He's a stiff!

You know, Kessler probably would have KOed Taylor in 3 rounds, instead of 7?:yep

I mean christ mate, can you not notice the difference in level here, Taylor has no fucking defence and is sqaured up most of the time, Kessler is very fast and has beautiful fluidity, even though he is from the stand up boxer style, he brings fluidity into an otherwise rigid style.

Either that, or you just don't rate Europeans...:yep

[BITCH ASS]

Kessler has also been known to throw 5 and 6 shot combinations in perfect precision and timing and with extremely fast handspeed. He also is quick on his feet, has some of the best timing in boxing and arguably the best jab in boxing and he's an excellent ring general.

Not to mention, Kessler's equal size to Pavlik and deals with straight forward pressure extremely well because he can fight off the backfoot and circle effectively.

This is a mismatch, you are utterly insane if you think Pavlik beats someone in the class that Mikkel Kessler resides in. Pavlik nearly got taken out in the second by Jermain Taylor, who is not even a puncher by any means, Kessler has stopped a variety of very durable opponents and starched Markus Beyer flat, who had been stopped before, but never straight up KTFO and he did it with a perfectly timed right hand bomb.

How do you even get this, "class that Mikkel Kessler resides in?"

Who has the guy beat?

He hasn't beat SHIT. The supermiddleweight division is the most overrated division on this board.

For God's sake, the only fighter they could find to mount a challenge to Calzaghe was a short, one-dimensional guy with half as many fights.

Kessler is a stiff.

He has a 1-2, no head movement, and doesn't fight in the inside. He has no body attack or he would have finished off Andrade.

He obviously isn't the powerhouse that people say he is OR he would have finished off Andrade.

And like I said, he hasn't beaten anybody!

Beyer was terrified of him, and I'll give him Mundine, but honestly, who the fuck is Mundine? That's a guy that's maybe as good as Zuniga......maybe.

Andrade is not even elite, he's just the best they got in a weak division.

Pavlik has height, range, power, versatility and experience on Kessler.

Pavlik KO's him.

[Amsterdam]

Kessler's resume is good, just because most people haven't followed the majority of his best wins doesn't mean he has a lesser resume than fucking Pavlik does...

Of course, we also have to judge on HOW fights are won, and Kessler has dominated every single one of his opponents and they are all of different styles.

I would pick Mundine and Andrade to dispose of Kelly Pavlik. Mundine's speed+power would do the trick and Andrade's pressure, chin and will would back Pavlik up and he'd eventually wear him down and dispose of him.

This is ludicrous match up, a complete and utter mismatch. Kessler's never been KD'd by a fucking McKart or Zuniga level fighter....:lol:

Another thing, Mundine is every bit as solid a fighter as Jermain Taylor is, the difference is that Mundine has NO HYPE behind him, save for an Australian fanbase... and he's been thrown out to the wolves.

[BITCH ASS]

You know, Kessler probably would have KOed Taylor in 3 rounds, instead of 7?:yep

I mean christ mate, can you not notice the difference in level here, Taylor has no fucking defence and is sqaured up most of the time, Kessler is very fast and has beautiful fluidity, even though he is from the stand up boxer style, he brings fluidity into an otherwise rigid style.

Either that, or you just don't rate Europeans...:yep

Kessler's stand up style and lack of inside fighting would be his downfall against a taller, rangier, more powerful fighter.

What's he gonna do when he's kept outside of Pavlik's jab the entire night, especially when he has no headmovement, no inside game, and Pavlik gets STRONGER as the fight goes on.

Sure, you could say he'll block more punches because he keeps his hands up, but that will open up his body, and after a stiff jab catches Kessler, Pavlik will him him with the same type of devestating body shots he hit Miranda and even Taylor with.

Kessler loses this one. I don't know why you guys rate him so high. I'm not saying he's a bad fighter, but this isn't a good matchup for him.

[Amsterdam]

Dear Cappy,

Are you blind?

Kessler does have a good body attack, he has excellent head movement and defence, excellent handspeed, combinations and timing and precision with heavy hands.

Mundine is a B+ level fighter, he's flawed but about on Jermain Taylor's level, I'd pick Mundine to KO Jermain Taylor and probably to KO Kelly Pavlik given that speed seems to work on Pavlik if it's kept in good pace and Mundine has plenty of speed and plenty of punching power, much harder puncher than Jermain Taylor.

To compare Mundine to Zuniga is fucking laughable, I don't even know how to respond to such horseshit and the SMW division is STACKED with talent, grow up.

[Amsterdam]

Kessler's stand up style and lack of inside fighting would be his downfall against a taller, rangier, more powerful fighter.

What's he gonna do when he's kept outside of Pavlik's jab the entire night, especially when he has no headmovement, no inside game, and Pavlik gets STRONGER as the fight goes on.

Sure, you could say he'll block more punches because he keeps his hands up, but that will open up his body, and after a stiff jab catches Kessler, Pavlik will him him with the same type of devestating body shots he hit Miranda and even Taylor with.

Kessler loses this one. I don't know why you guys rate him so high. I'm not saying he's a bad fighter, but this isn't a good matchup for him.

How does Pavlik win the jabbing contest with a quicker guy who has better timing and a BETTER JAB?

God damnit, I'm done.

[BITCH ASS]

Dear Cappy,

Are you blind?

Kessler does have a good body attack, he has excellent head movement and defence, excellent handspeed, combinations and timing and precision with heavy hands.

Mundine is a B+ level fighter, he's flawed but about on Jermain Taylor's level, I'd pick Mundine to KO Jermain Taylor and probably to KO Kelly Pavlik given that speed seems to work on Pavlik if it's kept in good pace and Mundine has plenty of speed and plenty of punching power, much harder puncher than Jermain Taylor.

To compare Mundine to Zuniga is fucking laughable, I don't even know how to respond to such horseshit and the SMW division is STACKED with talent, grow up.

You're crazy.

The middleweight division is not as stacked as you think it is. If it was, why would a guy with HALF AS MANY fights and ONE DIMENSIONAL, lacking in almost every physical intangible, go up against the very best if that were true?

Shit, Allen Green who is a GOOD supermiddleweight got his ass handed to him by a supposedly, "over-hyped," Miranda.

The supermiddleweight division is only good because there is nobody in it.

[BITCH ASS]

How does Pavlik win the jabbing contest with a quicker guy who has better timing and a BETTER JAB?

God damnit, I'm done.

Ask Taylor.

[brooklyn1550]

Mikkel Kessler TKO9 Kelly Pavlik

[Astola]

Taylor was supposed to win the jab contest, Pavlik won it

Kessler is leagues above Taylor. Especially when we are talking about the jab.

Kesslers jab is top3 p4p. Taylors is not even in top10.

[Amsterdam]

Taylor was supposed to win the jab contest, Pavlik won it

Kessler's jab is twice as good as Taylor's and he works behind proper poise and defence, unlike Jermain Taylor.

This type of garbage here is what drove me insane in the build up to Pavlik-Taylor, Taylor is NOTHING against the top hard hitting MW's-SMW's-LHW's and the crude Pavlik proved it.

[BITCH ASS]

Kessler's jab is twice as good as Taylor's.

Kessler couldn't hold Hopkins jock strap.

[brooklyn1550]

Kessler couldn't hold Hopkins jock strap.

Definitely not in terms of greatness or overall skill level in their respective primes, but head to head now, Kessler probably beats B-Hop.

[Amsterdam]

Kessler couldn't hold Hopkins jock strap.

Well, I damn well know Kessler wouldn't hold a draw with Mercado in his prime if you'd like to get really nastily technical.:yep

[BITCH ASS]

Definitely not in terms of greatness, but head to head now, Kessler probably beats B-Hop.

2 or 3 years after Taylor was finished with him. And that's an uncertain conclusion.

Taylor has a better jab than Kessler's.

Kessler just hasn't fought anyone, but shit, time will tell.

Let's see how Kessler does against Calzaghe.

[Amsterdam]

Definitely not in terms of greatness or overall skill level in their respective primes, but head to head now, Kessler probably beats B-Hop.

He wins every round, stops him from wearing him down. Hopkins was wary of Taylor's jab and right hand, now lets up that 2 years later now and 2 levels above in ability and skill.

:yep

[BITCH ASS]

Well, I damn well know Kessler wouldn't hold a draw with Mercado in his prime if you'd like to get really nastily technical.:yep

That's cuz there are no Mercado's in the supermiddleweight division. Just a bunch of Andrades and Beyers.......

[Amsterdam]

2 or 3 years after Taylor was finished with him. And that's an uncertain conclusion.

Taylor has a better jab than Kessler's.

Kessler just hasn't fought anyone, but shit, time will tell.

Let's see how Kessler does against Calzaghe.

Kessler will lose to Calzaghe, maybe competitive, maybe he'll get dominated, Calzaghe has the stylistic advantage and that's for damn sure.

However, losing against one of the best fighters in the fucking world right now is nothing to be ashamed about. Calzaghe is 3 levels above Jermain Taylor, 3 levels above the CURRENT version of Bernard Hopkins.

Kessler beats virtually anyone else around the general weight class, including Chad Dawson IMO. Chad Dawson is a guy that you all underrate, he's a serious talent and seriously skilled, he's also about 2-3 levels above Jermain Taylor.

This is the level that Calzaghe-Kessler and Dawson currently operate on. If Kessler beats Calzaghe, then he deserves a top 5 P4P ranking, that's for certain.

[BITCH ASS]

Kessler will lose to Calzaghe, maybe competitive, maybe he'll get dominated, Calzaghe has the stylistic advantage and that's for damn sure.

However, losing against one of the best fighters in the fucking world right now is nothing to be ashamed about. Calzaghe is 3 levels above Jermain Taylor, 3 levels above the CURRENT version of Bernard Hopkins.

Kessler beats virtually anyone else around the general weight class, including Chad Dawson IMO. Chad Dawson is a guy that you all underrate, he's a serious talent and seriously skilled, he's also about 2-3 levels above Jermain Taylor.

This is the level that Calzaghe-Kessler and Dawson currently operate on. If Kessler beats Calzaghe, then he deserves a top 5 P4P ranking, that's for certain.

I just don't see how you can rate such an unproven guy 3 levels above a guy that beat some of the PFP best.

Makes no sense to me.

[Astola]

2 or 3 years after Taylor was finished with him. And that's an uncertain conclusion.

Taylor has a better jab than Kessler's.

Kessler just hasn't fought anyone, but shit, time will tell.

Let's see how Kessler does against Calzaghe.


U are joking, right?



If youre not youre fucking stupid.

I mean totally lost. I feel sorry for you.

[Amsterdam]

I just don't see how you can rate such an unproven guy 3 levels above a guy that beat some of the PFP best.

Makes no sense to me.

Kessler is not unproven, he just hasn't been matched with overrated 'names' just yet. The current version of Hopkins and Winky both are absolutely OVERRATED. You don't even see any of Kessler's obvious strengths because you watch with blinders on.

Mundine beats both of them at the moment, what does that say?

[BITCH ASS]

Kessler is not unproven, he just hasn't been matched with overrated 'names' just yet. The current version of Hopkins and Winky both are absolutely OVERRATED. You don't even see any of Kessler's obvious strengths because you watch with blinders on.

Mundine beats both of them at the moment, what does that say?

Tell that to Mundine.

He'll shit his pants.

[Mrvooh]

Kessler has also been known to throw 5 and 6 shot combinations in perfect precision and timing and with extremely fast handspeed. He also is quick on his feet, has some of the best timing in boxing and arguably the best jab in boxing and he's an excellent ring general.

Not to mention, Kessler's equal size to Pavlik and deals with straight forward pressure extremely well because he can fight off the backfoot and circle effectively.

This is a mismatch, you are utterly insane if you think Pavlik beats someone in the class that Mikkel Kessler resides in. Pavlik nearly got taken out in the second by Jermain Taylor, who is not even a puncher by any means, Kessler has stopped a variety of very durable opponents and starched Markus Beyer flat, who had been stopped before, but never straight up KTFO and he did it with a perfectly timed right hand bomb. You are right on this= I say Kessler is near Calzaghe on foot movemnts, which is what helped Joe vs another big puncher..Lacy.
Now that I brought Lacy into it, how would Kelly do against him??

[Caliboxing]

Pavlik by late KO.

[China_hand_Joe]

I just don't see how you can rate such an unproven guy 3 levels above a guy that beat some of the PFP best.

Makes no sense to me.

You've been reading too many American boxing articles and listening to far too many others who have read and believed them.

[achillesthegreat]

Taylor puts down Pavlik but Kessler can't put him away?:lol:
Kessler isn't the most devastating puncher. Plus Taylor landed ALOT to get the kd. Plus PAvlik basically stuck his chin out. Plus Kelly was caught in an awkward shot. Plus PAvlik survived. Plus Pavlik has taken bombs from Miranda.

Your chinny theories and trash and this was proven when Taylor took big punch after big punch and he had to be slowed down and then caught with NUMEROUS big shots for the finish.

[achillesthegreat]

Amsterdam what the fuck is a stylistic advantage. There is no such thing unless you are talking about limited fighters. Its about fighting the fight that wins on any given night. Calzaghe and Kessler are versatile fighters who can fight a hard 12. It is not a given what game they choose to execute.

[boxfan99]

well, outside America, i would like to know, from euro and ect, who think who is more stupid...gay ass

Since you would like to know then let me answer you:D

You are definately the most stupid. Satisfied?

Now please answer a question for me in return.
How do you think Bute and Pascal would fare against respectively Taylor, Kessler and Pavlik at 168?

[Jinx]

i was rooting for Taylor to beat Pavlik, but Kelly showed great heart and recovery after a 2nd rd that no one else at 160 would've survived...and seeing the performance against Taylor, i'm convinced Pavlik would wipe his ass with Mikkel Kessler...Calzaghe would be a harder fight for Pavlik stylewise, but i'd still pick Pavlik to beat him too...

[PH|LLA]

Kessler would own Pavlik

[Amsterdam]

You are right on this= I say Kessler is near Calzaghe on foot movemnts, which is what helped Joe vs another big puncher..Lacy.
Now that I brought Lacy into it, how would Kelly do against him??

2005 Lacy KO 4 Kelly Pavlik.

Again, Pavlik will not be backing Lacy up and Pavlik himself cannot fight off the back foot, Lacy will also have the oppurtunity to land his best bombs as Pavlik has virtually no defence, save for his workrate and jab, which will be negated by Lacy's pressure.

[Astola]

Amsterdam what the fuck is a stylistic advantage. There is no such thing unless you are talking about limited fighters. Its about fighting the fight that wins on any given night. Calzaghe and Kessler are versatile fighters who can fight a hard 12. It is not a given what game they choose to execute.


Ohh - finally. :good

This is excactly what Ive been saying all along. The stylistic advantage is neutralised when we have two elite fighters in the ring.

Gameplan, physique, instinct is what counts. This is why I believe in MK against Joe.

[Amsterdam]

Andre Thysse, a very humble, nice guy, said that Bute and Diaconu hit HARDER than Kessler, thats not like asking a question to PBF

Yeah and Thysse got thrashed far worse against Kessler, that was a hell of a beating if you remember.:D

[Amsterdam]

Pascal impressed the hell out of me against Ikeke. I was sitting here saying "Oh man, he's gonna be in trouble after the 7th round". Then from 8-12 he's was still throwing hard and fast. I was impressed. Ikeke is no bum.

Yeah, Pascal KO's Taylor most likely.

[Jinx]

Calzaghe would beat his face in and when he bull rushes in Cal will just tie him up. That simple. The ref will break them up and the beating will continue and then he'll TIE HIM UP ON THE INSIDE

Pavlik's jab will control Calzaghe's aging handspeed, and i doubt Calzaghe can seriously hurt Pavlik, as Taylor and Miranda both hit harder than Calzaghe...Calzaghe would take a late beating against Pavlik, whose pressure will slow Calzaghe down by the mid rds...Calzaghe is not as fast as he once was...

[Ambition_Def]

Lets clear up some things here.

1. Kessler is a VERY sound orthodox boxer.

2. Kessler does carry some power.

3. Kessler is NOT faster than Pavlik. Pavlik actually from my observations is faster than Kessler, but only slightly, not significant.

4. Kessler is NOT a fast mover. His feet have to be planted to do any damage.

5. Pavlik is much sharper than Andrade. Andrade is like a 168lb version of Antonio Margarito. iron chin, strong but highly inaccurate and slow off the mark.

6. Pavlik's jab would seriously trouble Kessler. While Kessler has his own, he would be in a jabbing contest with Pavlik that he has not seen in his career. It would be a fight in itself as to who establishes the jab to do other things.

I make this fight a pickem, 50-50. Kessler is very good at doing what he does but he presents no angle puzzles or extreme speed/power to trouble Pavlik. Taylor is also quicker than Kessler to a degree that is noticeable. Both of these guys could knock the other out but I think it's safer to assume it goes the distance. Pavlik or Kessler again could win this on the jab alone. But I don't see either getting the knockout. Both are too predictable.

[Caliboxing]

2005 Lacy KO 4 Kelly Pavlik.

Again, Pavlik will not be backing Lacy up and Pavlik himself cannot fight off the back foot, Lacy will also have the oppurtunity to land his best bombs as Pavlik has virtually no defence, save for his workrate and jab, which will be negated by Lacy's pressure.




That would be a good fight but I think Lacy will have trouble with Pavlik's jab. Pavlik will create enough space to hit Lacy with the jab followed by body punches and right hands. Lacy will have to wear Pavlik down with his own body punches early to win. If Lacy doesn't connect much early, Pavlik will get stronger as the fight goes on and win.

[Ambition_Def]

Lets all be honest here....if Taylor had great stamina to move for 12 round do you really think Pavlik would have caught up with him beacause he was being outboxed. I really dont think so. And why doesnt JT tie up??????Is it not manly?? Probably not but its smart and probably would have started to frustrate Pavlik being outboxed and tied up on the inside.

You know how hard it is to tie up on a guy who can knock you out with 1 or 2 solid right hands? First you actually need a cognitive moment to realize you are hurt, then you need to get close enough to grab on.

Taylor didn't have that moment. He got hit by one right hand, stumbled from it and then was hit with another before he could even think about grabbing. The only thing he could do at that point is cover up in the corner. He was never really close to grab, and when he did open up the uppercut nailed him.

[boxfan99]

You talk like you know all of boxing, that you are never wrong, you are never wrong arnt you?

I think you are mistaking him with a guy called Blocky.:yep

[boxfan99]

Andre Thysse, a very humble, nice guy, said that Bute and Diaconu hit HARDER than Kessler, thats not like asking a question to PBF

Yes, and Andrade said that Pascal hits harder.:roll: You are very fond of the "Canadian" fighters. I guess, you haven't forgiven Kessler for beating Lucas to a pulp.:yep

[Ambition_Def]

Dont try to make tieing up a science. Jab and grab, Hook and grab. Hatton does it all fight long

...

And Hatton is also conscious and not hurt when he does this. :patsch

Do you ever stop to wonder what it's like getting cracked in the face with a right hand?

[Amsterdam]

13 votes for Pavlik by KO. :-(

In going back to a fine Taylor era qoute -

'This is the absurdity that we all have to live with'.:yep

[BITCH ASS]

Make that 14.

[Ambition_Def]

I don't know who would win but I think saying a Pavlik KO is absurd would be absurd in itself. The guy is the middleweight champion of the world you know.

[PH|LLA]

I don't know who would win but I think saying a Pavlik KO is absurd would be absurd in itself. The guy is the middleweight champion of the world you know.
yes but the middleweight division is weak while the supermiddleweight division is jam packed with talent

[BITCH ASS]

yes but the middleweight division is weak while the supermiddleweight division is jam packed with talent

Sarcasm at its finest.

Beyer and Andrade are the shit.

[Amsterdam]

I don't know who would win but I think saying a Pavlik KO is absurd would be absurd in itself. The guy is the middleweight champion of the world you know.

Yes and he won it from an overhyped champion who had never faced a power puncher in his life and who had no defence what so ever and no ring poise. Kessler is the opposite and is faster and harder hitting with premium accuracy.

Not to mention, Kessler has a good chin to back that great defence up.

Pavlik gets butchered and stopped. Kessler's competition is even better than Pavlik's if you look at it objectively.

[Ambition_Def]

Kessler's competition is even better than Pavlik's if you look at it objectively.

Really...

Care to elaborate?

[BITCH ASS]

Yes and he won it from an overhyped champion who had never faced a power puncher in his life and who had no defence what so ever and no ring poise. Kessler is the opposite and is faster and harder hitting with premium accuracy.

Not to mention, Kessler has a good chin to back that great defence up.

Pavlik gets butchered and stopped. Kessler's competition is even better than Pavlik's if you look at it objectively.

Objectively in a subjective world.

[boxfan99]

Pascal lost to Bute, Taylor, Kessler and Pavlik
For Bute, i'm not sure now, he doesnt have reach full potential, I need to see him against GOOD competition(Bika isnt)
Pascal doesnt have impressed me against Ikeke
Oh and, you are definately one moron

I guess, I didn't answer your question as you wanted.:lol:
By the way if you want to insult me then improve your English first. You write like a five year old, and I don't get easily offended by children or illiterates.

[jsimps]

LOL...When did you ever see Pavlik KO someone to the body???? He is a headhunter and barely throws to the body. You never know for sure but Im usually good about picking fights, mainly because I dont pick as a fan. I would pick Kessler to KO Pavlik in the late rounds. Now I know most of you guys only have been watching Pavlik for two fights....admit it, but Ive seen Pavlik fight and been floored twice by no name opponents. Sure he's gotten up and destroyed them but he is very easy to hit.

Pavlik is a helluva body puncher. He KOed McKart with a left hook to the body.

[boxfan99]

In fact, I think that Diaconu was the best against Thysse on the 3(even if Kessler is the only who has TKO THysse in the 11). That's my vision of the fight(I've seen the 3)

Funny you think that considering neither Kessler nor Bute lost a round against Thysse whereas Diaconu lost at least two.:huh

[Amsterdam]

Really...

Care to elaborate?

Sure -

Pavlik - Taylor, Miranda, McKart, Zuniga, Zertuche.

Kessler - Mundine, Andrade, Beyer, Lucas, Siaca, Thobela.

Kessler has fought larger men and a wider variety of styles. Mundine is interchangable with Taylor and in my opinion, better H2H, Andrade is more effective than Miranda and then you have a former LMW titlist in McKart who was dominated and stopped, fair enough.

Beyer, Lucas, Siaca and Thobela are former SMW titlists and were dominated or stopped.

I can see Mundine and Andrade easily disposing of Pavlik and Taylor BTW.;)

[Amsterdam]

Let's see KEssler get tested against the elites first before talking about this fight.

Pavlik is not a true elite, neither is Taylor. Let's all look at this from an observational stand point. Kessler is already a true elite fighter.

Kessler has lost maybe 6 rounds in his entire career, Pavlik has lost more rounds and this was before the Taylor and Miranda bouts, against lesser opposition. Pavlik's pressure got him the win in wearing down Taylor, but it was otherwise competitive, Kessler is two steps above Jermain Taylor.

[boxfan99]

Andrade never fight Pascal jackass

No, he never fought (moron) Pascal, but I believe it was you who said he sparred with Pascal before the Ikeke fight a while back, and you posted that Andrade had said that Pascal hit harder than Kessler. Please, correct me if I'm confusing you with someone else, but I could swear it was you.

[Amsterdam]

Lucas won one of the round in the 10 lol

Yes, I said he's lost around 6.

4 from Mundine, 1 from Lucas and 1 from another. Pretty impressive.

[boxfan99]

that cool to make fun of someone who talk his 3rd language?wow idiot

Do you think English is my first language? Make up a better excuse or even better don't throw insults around if you are not ready to get some hurled back at you.;)

Edit:
But let us both stop this now, because it doesn't do us any good, and honestly I don't like insulting people.

[Ambition_Def]

Kessler has fought larger men and a wider variety of styles. Mundine is interchangable with Taylor and in my opinion, better H2H, Andrade is more effective than Miranda and then you have a former LMW titlist in McKart who was dominated and stopped, fair enough.

Well I guess if you think Mundine is interchangeable with Taylor then I'm not gonna expect an objective viewpoint. Mundine is in no way championship quality and has had trouble with guys way below Taylor's abilities. Sure Taylor isn't some P4P great, but he is certainly better than Mundine.

Andrade is also inferior to Miranda. Andrade has no names on his list like Howard Eastman or any serious title challenges like Miranda had with Abraham. Andrade h2h is just not as accomplished at this point in time.

Beyer, Lucas, Siaca and Thobela are former SMW titlists and were dominated or stopped.

Might I remind you that Beyer was 35 years old when Kessler got him with that right hand. If history is any indication of truth, boxers 35 and older seriously slow down and become more open to right hands. I can't speak for Lucas or Thobela, and infact would not put them anywhere in a comparison compared to names like Taylor and Miranda.

I can see Mundine and Andrade easily disposing of Pavlik and Taylor BTW.;)

Andrade might get someplace with his iron chin and stamina, but that is completely up in the air. He doesn't have the accuracy or the speed that Pavlik and Taylor possess. Nor is he an accomplished boxer in this regard.

Mundine I won't even bother with. I think you highly overrate this man.

[PeterNielsen70]

Yes, I said he's lost around 6.

4 from Mundine, 1 from Lucas and 1 from another. Pretty impressive.

One of the judges actually scored it 120-108 in favour of Kessler in the Mundine fight. Just saying that the few rounds Kessler might have lost were only by a margin. :bbb

Amsterdam - I'm beginning to think that you actually make Kessler a slightly favourite against JC - reading the thread. :yep :bbb

[jsimps]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Kelly Pavlik hit Mckart with about 10 left hooks to the body and the punch that puts Mckart down twice was a..........right hand to the face. Im so surprised.




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I think you need to watch this.

[boxfan99]

i just mean that is gay to make fun of someone insult because im not a 100 perfect in English..I mean respond to me and say that i'm gay canadian lol..

No more insults from me. No bad feelings, right?

[dumdane]

Yes, I said he's lost around 6.

4 from Mundine, 1 from Lucas and 1 from another. Pretty impressive.

Thats putting it high. Certainly can't recall any round that deserved to go to Lucas. (But i am admittedly biased)

Anyway based on majority of scorecards, he's still only ever lost 2 rounds against Mundine.

Sure there's been a few close rounds - but we're hardly talking blatant robberies here

[boxfan99]

Thats putting it high. Certainly can't recall any round that deserved to go to Lucas. (But i am admittedly biased)

Anyway based on majority of scorecards, he's still only ever lost 2 rounds against Mundine.

Sure there's been a few close rounds - but we're hardly talking blatant robberies here

Make that three and you are right.;)
He didn't lose any rounds to Lucas on any of the scorecards and has never lost a round based on majority of scorecards against any other fighter than Mundine. Furthermore, he has yet to lose a round on all three scorecards. I think that is quite an impressive feat after 39 fights no matter how hard some people try to downplay his opposition.

[Axe]

Dude they fight exactly the same except Pavlik has a killer right hand. They both got the same defense...to block punches with there face. Oh you know what Pavlik has a better hook to but they both dont take steps back and eat alot of punches. You guys are talking about Andrade like he is a bum but if you he was such a bum why did Goldenboy sign him?????????

Actually Pavlik has a better jab, right hand, uppercuts, headmovement, hooks, well...everything than Andrade. Andrade is a bum when we are talking elite level boxers.

That being said I don't see why Kelly should move up in weight at this point. He is the king of the historic MW division, let's see him reign for a little while.

[See Me Flow]

Kelly Pavlik vs King Kong. Who wins?????????? Damn get off the mans nuts already. Its been 2 days only.

:rofl :rofl :lol: :lol: :good :good

[Snorkel]

So Mundine is more athletic and more elusive than Taylor. :patsch

Don't think so.


I can't believe nobody picked up on this. A man who has some of the fastest hands in the game as well as operating at the top level in two completely different professional sports is having his athletic credentials questioned.

Don't get me wrong, I think Mundine's a prick and don't rate him all that much but with this statement alone you've just demonstrated your lack of knowledge and objectivity; If there's one thing Mundine has it's athletic ability.

Kessler TKO, by the way.

[Dekkers]

Kessler by mid round stoppage, can't believe I've heard people compare Pavlik to Tommy Hearns recently :lol:

[Alo2006]

Kessler TKO

[jammerdk]

Lets clear up some things here.

1. Kessler is a VERY sound orthodox boxer.

2. Kessler does carry some power.

3. Kessler is NOT faster than Pavlik. Pavlik actually from my observations is faster than Kessler, but only slightly, not significant.

4. Kessler is NOT a fast mover. His feet have to be planted to do any damage.

5. Pavlik is much sharper than Andrade. Andrade is like a 168lb version of Antonio Margarito. iron chin, strong but highly inaccurate and slow off the mark.

6. Pavlik's jab would seriously trouble Kessler. While Kessler has his own, he would be in a jabbing contest with Pavlik that he has not seen in his career. It would be a fight in itself as to who establishes the jab to do other things.

I make this fight a pickem, 50-50. Kessler is very good at doing what he does but he presents no angle puzzles or extreme speed/power to trouble Pavlik. Taylor is also quicker than Kessler to a degree that is noticeable. Both of these guys could knock the other out but I think it's safer to assume it goes the distance. Pavlik or Kessler again could win this on the jab alone. But I don't see either getting the knockout. Both are too predictable.

:patsch stopped reading when you talked about Pavlik's Jab ....

for what I've seen of pavlik which I admit could be more, he's no match for Kessler or JC. Do seem to bring some power but then again Power isn't everything to boxing. Might work in a bar but in the ring the guy in front of you know you are coming.

[dragosuhail]

i love pavlik cause he's so damn exciting to watch, but if they fought right now as i assume you meant, then kessler. in a higher weight class. sound boxing skills compared to taylor, and far more powerful than taylor. e.g. taylor has ZERO clean ko's. out of kessler's stoppages he's got 18 clean ko's. also kessler has never been even slightly hurt at anytime.

but if pavlik was to get some more championship level experience at middleweight, then test the waters at super middle in a couple years time, then i'd give him a much better chance. i'd then make it a 50-50 proposition. but right now, kessler gets the UD. or possibly TKO if pavlik tries anything stupid like he did against taylor.

[McSMW]

BusyBee: "And both of them where steam rolled by Kessler......but your Canadian so I understand your stupidity."

....Says the american!....

ROTFL...

[Shotgun]

So Mundine is more athletic and more elusive than Taylor. :patsch
Yes, actually

What the hell makes you think Taylor is elusive? Everyone decent that he's ever fought has never had any problems finding him when they let their hands go

As far as athleticism, Mundine is much more athletic than Taylor is. What fights against respectable comp has Taylor's so-called speed outclassed his opponents? That's right, a 40+ year old Hopkins and Pavlik who will never be confused for quick. He won twice against Hopkins based on workrate alone and got KTFO by Pavlik so his speed doesn't seem to help him that much, meaning it is either overrated or he doesn't have the skills to take advantage of it