Who is the most complete fighter of the game today?

[tliang1000]

If multi-divisioned... then take their best.
Who and the total score

For example... Mayweather Jr.

1-5 scale
Power - 4 at 130
Speed (overall movement) - 5 at 130, 135, 4 at 140, 147, and 154
Footwork - 5
WorkRate - 4 - at 130, 135, 140. 3 at 147, 154
Stamina - 5
Heart - 5
Chin - ? (should be at least a 4)
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 5
Offense - 5 at 130, 135, 140. 4 at 147 and 3 at 154
Defense - 5
Consistency - 5 for the most part if not injured
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5

[tliang1000]

If multi-divisioned... then take their best.
Who and the total score

For example... Mayweather Jr.

1-5 scale
Power - 4 at 130
Speed (overall movement) - 5 at 130, 135, 4 at 140, 147, and 154
Footwork - 5
WorkRate - 4 - at 130, 135, 140. 3 at 147, 154
Stamina - 5
Heart - 5
Chin - ? (should be at least a 4)
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 5
Offense - 5 at 130, 135, 140. 4 at 147 and 3 at 154
Defense - 5
Consistency - 5 for the most part if not injured
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5

More clarification

1 = crap
2 = below avg
3 = avg
4 = above avg
5 = exceptional

[Chiko_Tech]

If multi-divisioned... then take their best.
Who and the total score

For example... Mayweather Jr.

1-5 scale
Power - 4 at 130
Speed (overall movement) - 5 at 130, 135, 4 at 140, 147, and 154
Footwork - 5
WorkRate - 4 - at 130, 135, 140. 3 at 147, 154
Stamina - 5
Heart - 5
Chin - ? (should be at least a 4)
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 5
Offense - 5 at 130, 135, 140. 4 at 147 and 3 at 154
Defense - 5
Consistency - 5 for the most part if not injured
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5


The love that you have to Floyd = 5

[klion22]

If multi-divisioned... then take their best.
Who and the total score

For example... Mayweather Jr.

1-5 scale
Power - 4 at 130
Speed (overall movement) - 5 at 130, 135, 4 at 140, 147, and 154
Footwork - 5
WorkRate - 4 - at 130, 135, 140. 3 at 147, 154
Stamina - 5
Heart - 5
Chin - ? (should be at least a 4)
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 5
Offense - 5 at 130, 135, 140. 4 at 147 and 3 at 154
Defense - 5
Consistency - 5 for the most part if not injured
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5

Let me guess, you're a fan of PBF right?

[tliang1000]

Yea I am. If I am not accurate... ur welcome to correct. This is opinion base anyways...

[cross_trainer]

Actually, I agree with you. Aside from his lack of power at higher weights (which is damning, unfortunately) PBF has not shown any outstanding weaknesses.

[Boom_Boom]

Mikkel Kessler

Power - 5
Speed (overall movement) -4
Footwork - 3
WorkRate - 5
Stamina - 5
Heart - 5
Chin - 5
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 4
Offense - 5
Defense - 4
Consistency - 5
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5

[cross_trainer]

Mikkel Kessler

Power - 5
Speed (overall movement) -4
Footwork - 3
WorkRate - 5
Stamina - 5
Heart - 5
Chin - 5
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 4
Offense - 5
Defense - 4
Consistency - 5
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5

True, but his style seems a bit one-dimensional (and he lacks several punches) when compared to Mayweather. If well-roundedness comes from technical perfection and physical preparation, I can't think of many who outdo Floyd.

[klion22]

Yea I am. If I am not accurate... ur welcome to correct. This is opinion base anyways...

That's not the point. The point is that everyone knows he's the best P4P fighter. The point is that you are making threads which continues to mention this fact.

[cross_trainer]

That's not the point. The point is that everyone knows he's the best P4P fighter. The point is that you are making threads which continues to mention this fact.

Not necessarily. When Jones was the #1 P4P fighter, he lacked too many qualities (technical correctness, a jab, chin) to be labeled "complete". He was an excellent fighter, but not a complete one--instead, he used a more limited skillset honed to a razor's edge.

Another example is Hopkins. He isn't exactly "complete" so much as extremely canny and experienced. In this case, Floyd just happens to be the most complete and the best P4P in the world.

[o_money]

Beside his ''shaky'' chin, Wladimir Klitchko got all that you want in a Boxer

yeah except balls...oh and a chin.

[thewoo]

Beside his ''shaky'' chin, Wladimir Klitchko got all that you want in a Boxer

No he is also kinda low on stamina. Other than that I agree with you.

[cross_trainer]

yeah except balls...oh and a chin.

Lack of an uppercut is also a major problem.

He definitely has "balls" though, since he keeps getting up when he's being knocked down. Like Patterson, his problem is confidence and durability, not courage.

[Danny Ocean]

Kessler have 5 of power?Comon

if he has power of 5 then andrade has chin of 10

[SkillsSoSmooth]

That's not the point. The point is that everyone knows he's the best P4P fighter. The point is that you are making threads which continues to mention this fact.

Better that than constantly hating on the man, it's about time his amazing talents get celebrated because people like Floyd don't come around everyday.

[Fab2333]

If multi-divisioned... then take their best.
Who and the total score

For example... Mayweather Jr.

1-5 scale
Power - 4 at 130
Speed (overall movement) - 5 at 130, 135, 4 at 140, 147, and 154
Footwork - 5
WorkRate - 4 - at 130, 135, 140. 3 at 147, 154
Stamina - 5
Heart - 5
Chin - ? (should be at least a 4)
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 5
Offense - 5 at 130, 135, 140. 4 at 147 and 3 at 154
Defense - 5
Consistency - 5 for the most part if not injured
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5

ok this is comparing floyd to whom, like bums of the world or elite fighters. I love floyd as a fighter by the way. But if floyd has a 5 for speed etc.
then wat is zab judah, roy jones? they both have faster hands than floyd
see wat im saying, not tryin 2 s**t on floyd b/c he is one of my fav's but jsut wanted to know

[tliang1000]

ok this is comparing floyd to whom, like bums of the world or elite fighters. I love floyd as a fighter by the way. But if floyd has a 5 for speed etc.
then wat is zab judah, roy jones? they both have faster hands than floyd
see wat im saying, not tryin 2 s**t on floyd b/c he is one of my fav's but jsut wanted to know

I put the ratings for 1-5 for individual's division.

1 = poor
2 = below avg
3 = avg
4 = above avg
5 = exceptional

Both Floyd, Zab, and Jones got exceptional hand speed. Floyd have exceptional hand speed in several punches while zab got a real fast 1-1-2. Jones can throw everything fast but they are all exceptional. 5 doesn't equal the best.

[kg0208]

Remember, not all numbers are created equal. Yes, PBF at 130-140 had elite speed in his hands and feet. Was Jones elite at 160-175 in speed? Yup...he would be a "5" as well...but his 5 would carry more weight.

[Illstate]

Prime Tyson = 5's all the way across the board.
His style was impeccable, and his defense was impregnable.

[China_hand_Joe]

Calzaghe

1-5 scale
Power - 4
Speed (overall movement) - 5
Footwork - 5
WorkRate - 5 Stamina - 5
Heart - 5
Chin - 5
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 5
Offense - 5
Defense - 5 (so evasive, even on front foot)
Consistency - 5 (ten years)
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5

Counter punching - 5
Swarming - 5
Boxing at range - 5
Slugging - 5

[brooklyn1550]

Based on that criteria and ranking system, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. is the best/most complete fighter out there.

[Fab2333]

Roy Jones Jr (Prime)

1-5 scale
Power - 5 at 160, 168
Speed (overall movement) - 5
Footwork - 5
WorkRate - 5 -
Stamina - 5
Heart - 5
Chin - 4
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 5
Offense - 5
Defense - 5
Consistency - 5
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5

[Oscar de la Roa]

Rafael mArquez

Mikkel Kessler

Power - 5
Speed (overall movement) - 4.5
Footwork - 4.5
WorkRate - 4
Stamina - 4
Heart - 4.5
Chin - 3.5
Boxing IQ - 4
Hand Speed - 5
Offense - 5
Defense - 3.5
Consistency - 5
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5

[achillesthegreat]

No doubt that it is Floyd!

[China_hand_Joe]

No doubt that it is Floyd!

In what way is he more complete than Joe Calzaghe? Defence? Well Calzaghe's workrate counters that.

[tliang1000]

I forgot Durability....
Roy Jones Jr.

1-5 scale

Power - 5 at middle to light heavy. 3 for heavyweight
Speed (overall movement) - 5
Footwork - 5
WorkRate - 5 at middle, 4 supermiddle-lightheavy, 3 heavy
Stamina - 5 at middle, 4 supermid-light, 3 heavy
Heart - 4
Chin - ? at middle, ? heavy, 3 for light heavy
Boxing IQ - 4
Hand Speed - 5
Offense - 5
Defense - 4
Consistency - 4
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5
Durability - 4 Jones is very durable to the body but not the chin. he was at middle though

[achillesthegreat]

In what way is he more complete than Joe Calzaghe? Defence? Well Calzaghe's workrate counters that.
Not really. Floyds workrate was as good as anyone in historys. At 130 that is. Lets see Calzaghes workrate when he is in his 5th division. Floyd workrate was none stop against Chavez. Chavez was throwing 100 punches a round at him and Floyd was always working. Not to mention there were rounds where Floyd would reel off 70 punches.

Floyd whole game is better technically. His technique in regards to footwork, offence and defence is superior. Not to mention he is more skilled.

[Fab2333]

How was he a 3 in workrate and stamina at Heavy? He showed fantastic workrate, constantly pumping the jab, and didn't show a bit of tiring. His defense was most certainly a 5 at his best, certainly, some of the best defense ever, whether due to his reflexes or not, so is mostly every fighters.

at his prime I got him being a 5 all across the board except for his chin. which I rated a 4. I dont think he has a china chin, he got caught with an unsuspecting good shot in one fight, the other it was just an accumulation of punches that put him down.
at 160/168 RJ was damn near superman in the ring

[China_hand_Joe]

Calzaghe's offence is superior.

Calzaghe throws more varied combinations than Floyd did at any weight. Their footwork is of course completely different but equally effective and level.

Floyd have the more text-book technique sure. But Calzaghe his opponents slaps better.

And consider work rate. Calzaghe throws a ridiculous number of punches even weighing 168+ pounds which is just spectacular.

[tliang1000]

Calzaghe's offence is superior.

Calzaghe throws more varied combinations than Floyd did at any weight. Their footwork is of course completely different but equally effective and level.

Floyd have the more text-book technique sure. But Calzaghe his opponents slaps better.

And consider work rate. Calzaghe throws a ridiculous number of punches even weighing 168+ pounds which is just spectacular.

Uh... are you serious?
Floyd is head and shoulders over Calzaghe.

[Amsterdam]

Mikkel Kessler -

Power - 4
Speed (overall movement) - 4
Footwork - 5
WorkRate - 5
Stamina - 4
Heart - 4
Chin - 4
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 4
Offense - 5
Defense - 4
Consistency - 5
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5

[Fab2333]

amsterdamn, sweetpea, and Kg
wats ya rating for ROy jones in his prime
when he was at 160/168 whats you guys rating. tryin 2 get a 2nd opinion

[Astola]

Calzaghe

1-5 scale
Power - 3
Speed (overall movement) - 5
Footwork - 5
WorkRate - 5
Stamina - 5
Heart - 5
Chin - 4
Boxing IQ - 4
Hand Speed - 5
Offense - 5
Defense - 4
Consistency - 4
Accuracy - 4
Timing - 5

[Astola]

Kessler

1-5 scale
Power - 4
Speed (overall movement) - 4
Footwork - 4
WorkRate - 5
Stamina - 4
Heart - 5
Chin - 4
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 4
Offense - 5
Defense - 5
Consistency - 5
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5

[CHEF]

Holdimir Bitchko:

Power - 4
Speed (overall movement) -3
Footwork - 3
WorkRate - 2
Stamina - 1
Heart - 4
Chin - -1
Boxing IQ - 4
Hand Speed - 4
Offense - 5
Defense - 2
Consistency - 1
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5

Had to go into negatives for chin. Glancing blows seem to put him down easy. Offensively he is sound.

Ike Ibeabuchi:

Power - 5
Speed (overall movement) -5
Footwork - 5
WorkRate - 5
Stamina - 5
Heart - 5
Chin - 10
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 5
Offense - 5
Defense - 5
Consistency - 5
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5

There ya go :hi:


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[kg0208]

Power - 5
Speed (overall movement) - 5
Footwork - 5
WorkRate - 4
Stamina - 5
Heart - 4
Chin - 3
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 5
Offense - 5
Defense - 5
Consistency - 5
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5

There ya go

This would be mine. Like I said though, this system doesn't take into account that all the numbers are not equal. Jones 5 in handspeed and footwork is not the same as even elite fighters with elite handspeed and footspeed. Just like Jones defense (a 5) wouldn't be on the level of Whitaker's (also a 5).

[Fab2333]

Power - 5
Speed (overall movement) - 5
Footwork - 5
WorkRate - 4
Stamina - 5
Heart - 4
Chin - 3
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 5
Offense - 5
Defense - 5
Consistency - 5
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5

There ya go

chin = a 3, i dont agree with that man, he went to heavyweight and fought a decent heavyweight who has deceptive power. People think that John Ruiz hits soft, but he has deceptive power. I could b mistaken but didnt he put down Holyfield be4. IM not sure, and RJ fought him and stood up. I dont attribute RJ with china chin b/c he got caugth with an unsuspecting shot that woulda wobbled anybody.
Glen Johnson was an accumulation of punches that jus caught up with him. But in his prime his chin was still very good a 4 at most

[ChrisPontius]

Not necessarily. When Jones was the #1 P4P fighter, he lacked too many qualities (technical correctness, a jab, chin) to be labeled "complete". He was an excellent fighter, but not a complete one--instead, he used a more limited skillset honed to a razor's edge.


I would like to add that "chin" was not a problem at all back then.

In fact, no one talked negative about Jones' chin untill he got KO'd at age 35.

If Mayweather gets KO'd by one punch on two occasions in 2011, probably people will claim he has a "glass chin" just like Jones, but fact remains that right now, Mayweathers chin looks excellent despite moving up in weight.

[cross_trainer]

I would like to add that "chin" was not a problem at all back then.

In fact, no one talked negative about Jones' chin untill he got KO'd at age 35.

If Mayweather gets KO'd by one punch on two occasions in 2011, probably people will claim he has a "glass chin" just like Jones, but fact remains that right now, Mayweathers chin looks excellent despite moving up in weight.

This is true. But in fairness, I do not believe that Jones' chin was tested as much as Mayweather's during their respective primes. Would you not agree?

[Amsterdam]

Floyd and MArquez is two of the most complete fighters in the 2000s..

Marquez is not complete, he's fantastic, but he has flaws more so than a Floyd Mayweather level fighter.

[brooklyn1550]

Of course nobody is complete as FLoyd today, but marquez has to be one of the most complete fighters out there. What do you mean by not complete but fantastic?

Name one current fighter who's complete as marquez besides floyd?

I'd say that Barrera is as complete as Marquez, even with the loss - they seem about equal in many categories. Marquez may have the nod in power while Barrera is faster.

[box03]

I guess Mayweather, hes one hell of a complete fighter, lacks a little power though.

[tliang1000]

Beside his ''shaky'' chin, Wladimir Klitchko got all that you want in a Boxer

No Way. There is a reason why no heavyweights are in top 10 p4p. Too big and clumsy.

Wlad Klitchko

Power - 5
Speed (overall movement) - 3
Footwork - 3 (tons of heavies can move better.)
WorkRate - 3 (not impress, his main thing is power/timing)
Stamina - 3 (his main thing is power/timing)
Heart - 2 (he will quit on a dime for a world class fighter)
Chin - 3
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 3
Offense - 5 (His crushing power)
Defense - 4 (Thanks for his reach)
Consistency - 5
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5
Durability - 1 (for as big as he is. he is one of the worst in taking shots, folds like a lawn chair)

[box03]

No Way. There is a reason why no heavyweights are in top 10 p4p. Too big and clumsy.

Wlad Klitchko

Power - 5
Speed (overall movement) - 3
Footwork - 3 (tons of heavies can move better.)
WorkRate - 3 (not impress, his main thing is power/timing)
Stamina - 3 (his main thing is power/timing)
Heart - 2 (he will quit on a dime for a world class fighter)
Chin - 3
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 3
Offense - 5 (His crushing power)
Defense - 4 (Thanks for his reach)
Consistency - 5
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5
Durability - 1 (for as big as he is. he is one of the worst in taking shots, folds like a lawn chair) I agree, I like when you said he folds like a lawn chair, I would put his chin at a 1 or 2 though. Hes been knocked down at least 11 already and has been knocked out 3 times, I feel thats enough prove his chin is worse than you think.:good

[Napoleon]

Charlie Sweet Pea Zelenoff

Power - 1
Speed (overall movement) - 0
Footwork - 0
WorkRate - 0
Stamina -1
Heart -0
Chin - NEGATIVE 5
Boxing IQ - NEGATIVE 200
Hand Speed - 0
Offense - 0
Defense - Negative 10
Consistency - 0
Accuracy - NEGATIVE FUCKING THOUSAND
Timing - 0

Overral he is a -1213 fighter.:good
Durability - 0

[tliang1000]

Charlie Sweet Pea Zelenoff

Power - 1
Speed (overall movement) - 0
Footwork - 0
WorkRate - 0
Stamina -1
Heart -0
Chin - NEGATIVE 5
Boxing IQ - NEGATIVE 200
Hand Speed - 0
Offense - 0
Defense - Negative 10
Consistency - 0


Accuracy - NEGATIVE FUCKING THOUSAND
Timing - 0

Overral he is a -1213 fighter.:good
Durability - 0


Who is charlie sweet pea?

[box03]

Charlie Sweet Pea Zelenoff

Power - 1
Speed (overall movement) - 0
Footwork - 0
WorkRate - 0
Stamina -1
Heart -0
Chin - NEGATIVE 5
Boxing IQ - NEGATIVE 200
Hand Speed - 0
Offense - 0
Defense - Negative 10
Consistency - 0
Accuracy - NEGATIVE FUCKING THOUSAND
Timing - 0

Overral he is a -1213 fighter.:good
Durability - 0 I give his hand speed a 1 or 2, other than that I agree.:good

[tliang1000]

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Power - 1
Speed (overall movement) - 1
Footwork - 1
WorkRate - 1
Stamina -1
Heart -1
Chin - 1
Boxing IQ - 1
Hand Speed - 1
Offense - 1
Defense - 1
Consistency - 1
Accuracy - 1
Timing - 1
Durability - 1

This guy completely blows... he lost to some with 100 plus losses

[jaycuban]

Yuriorkis Gamboa

[chung]

someone do winky or bernard

[tliang1000]

Ricky Hatton

Power - 4 at 140, 3 at 147
Speed (overall movement) - 4
Footwork - 3
WorkRate - 5
Stamina -5
Heart -5
Chin - 4 at 140, 3 at 147
Boxing IQ - 4
Hand Speed - 4
Offense - 4
Defense - 3
Consistency - 4
Accuracy - 3
Timing - 4
Durability - 4 at 140, 3 at 147
Durability - 1

[tliang1000]

Winky Wright

Power - 3 at 154, 160, 170 (he only fought bhop and he is middle weight)
Speed (overall movement) - 4
Footwork - 3
WorkRate - 5
Stamina -5
Heart -5
Chin - 5
Boxing IQ - 4
Hand Speed - 4
Offense - 4
Defense - 5
Consistency - 5
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5
Durability - 5

[DanePugilist]

Mikkel Kessler

Power - 4
Speed (overall movement) - 4
Footwork - 4
WorkRate - 4
Stamina - 4
Heart - 4
Chin - 4
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 4
Offense - 4
Defense - 4
Consistency - 5
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5

Joe Calzaghe -

Power - 3-
Speed (overall movement) - 4+
Footwork - 4
WorkRate - 5
Stamina - 5
Heart - 5
Chin - 3+
Boxing IQ - 4
Hand Speed - 5
Offense - 5
Defense - 3
Consistency - 3
Accuracy - 4
Timing - 4

[Napoleon]

Who is charlie sweet pea?

A forum legend that goes by the name of Vicious Boxer77.

[DanePugilist]

Floyd Mayweather -

Power - 2
Speed (overall movement) - 4
Footwork - 5
WorkRate - 4
Stamina - 4
Heart - 4
Chin - 4
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 4+
Offense - 3+
Defense - 5
Consistency - 4
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5

[tliang1000]

Bernard Hopkins (late 20s to early 30s)

Power - 4
Speed (overall movement) - 4
Footwork - 3
WorkRate - 5
Stamina -5
Heart -5
Chin - 5
Boxing IQ - 3 at 20s 4 at 30s
Hand Speed - 4
Offense - 4
Defense - 3
Consistency - 4
Accuracy - 4
Timing - 4
Durability - 5
Dirty Tactics - 5 *added attribute

Bernard Hopkins late 30s to current 43

Winky Wright

Power - 4 at 30s, 3 at 40 (160lbs), 3 at light heavy
Speed (overall movement) - 4
Footwork - 5
WorkRate - 4
Stamina - 4
Heart -4
Chin - 5
Boxing IQ - 5
Hand Speed - 4
Offense - 4
Defense - 5
Consistency - 5
Accuracy - 5
Timing - 5
Durability - 5
Dirty Tactics - 5

[DanePugilist]

Charlie Zelenoff -

Power - 1-
Speed (overall movement) - 1
Footwork - 1-
WorkRate - 2-
Stamina - 1
Heart - 4
Chin - 1-
Boxing IQ - 1-
Hand Speed - 1
Offense - 1
Defense - 1-
Consistency - 1
Accuracy - 1-
Timing - 1-

[tliang1000]

previous got a typo.... is 2 bhops not winky again.

[ChrisPontius]

This is true. But in fairness, I do not believe that Jones' chin was tested as much as Mayweather's during their respective primes. Would you not agree?

I agree. Jones got hit less (not that Mayweather gets hit much, but Jones was nearly untouchable). Jones and Hopkins did land their best shot on Jones without much effect. They are not big punchers though, despite having excellent technique. I also think that the step from 130lb to 147lb is harder to overcome than 160 to 175, especially since Jones may well have naturally filled out to a lightheavyweight, while Floyd clearly lost of lot power when he moved up.

[Bigcat]

I think a fighter like Calzaghe could be considered great overall..

Good speed,
A chin that has carried him well for the last god knows how many years unbeaten..
Power that comes with the speed..
very clever skills and dedicated championship athlete,
amazing focus..
Longevity..
verstility.. able to adapt to many diferent fighters ..

heart of a lion and confident in his own ability without appearing overcocky or obnoxious..

He is not a rap star and he is not on MTV cribs,
He isn't that hip hop friendly but the facts remain ..

Ordinary Joe is just not that ordinary when it comes to what he does best..