Darren Barker

[barry big balls]

Can anyone tell whos up next for this iron jawed , knockout artist? I mean there is nobody left in britain apart from elcock who i think is finished anyways.... is it time to take on the top 50 in world for the dazzler!? i sure hope so....:D

[Flea Man]

Put it this way he'd spark the man in your avatar.

[pathmanc1986]

Put it this way he'd spark the man in your avatar.




or put another way.....no he wouldnt



neither of these guys is ever really going to be world class. shit, barker has skills and speed to burn but up at world level im not so sure about his staying power and toughness. i watched the miranda v pavlik elim fight last night and both those guys at that stage or even a couple fights previous would DESTROY barker and lee



i think for lee, duddy, mcewan, barker, macklin the best thing they could do would be for one to get a strap to go along with macklins euro, create a big domestic rivalry and get about 4/5 fights of that combination over yr and half. everyone would make a bita money and go home with the senses intact

[Mazallan]

He should take two easy keep busy fights with the dod awful Duddy then hype job Lee.

[kieron]

Pretty harsh lads. Truth is we just don't know how good he is until he steps up in class. I have a feeling Barker and Macklin can do very well at world level but time will tell. I take the point that Barker does need moving on a bit quicker though. He should be fighting decent Europeans by now

[barry big balls]

He should take two easy keep busy fights with the dod awful Duddy then hype job Lee.
I pray everyday he takes on lee or even duddy, its nothing personal but ive watched many of barkers fights and i know that guy is getting knocked out as soon as he steps it up.

[Mazallan]

I pray everyday he takes on lee or even duddy, its nothing personal but ive watched many of barkers fights and i know that guy is getting knocked out as soon as he steps it up.

I agree he will get knocked out when he steps up but he definetly has enough class to beat guys like Lee and Duddy.

[barry big balls]

I agree he will get knocked out when he steps up but he definetly has enough class to beat guys like Lee and Duddy.
Who has barker beat that duddy or lee couldnt? Who has barker beat at aged 27 that warrants such a high rating from you? I dont blame barker for his opponents but when your getting so carefully matched at his age by your promoters you have to ask yourself......

[kurt2006]

I pray everyday he takes on lee or even duddy, its nothing personal but ive watched many of barkers fights and i know that guy is getting knocked out as soon as he steps it up.

I can tell you one thing Barker would never lose to Duddy and if you think otherwise you are only kidding yourself.

Duddy is just a hype job with very limited skill.

[barry big balls]

I can tell you one thing Barker would never lose to Duddy and if you think otherwise you are only kidding yourself.

Duddy is just a hype job with very limited skill.
Id bet my house that duddy eventually lands and knocks him out.

[kurt2006]

Id bet my house that duddy eventually lands and knocks him out.

You live in a £20 tent? Can't see anyone wanting to risk more on Fuddy Duddy.

[skel1983]

I pray everyday he takes on lee or even duddy, its nothing personal but ive watched many of barkers fights and i know that guy is getting knocked out as soon as he steps it up.


Fighting Lee or Duddy aint stepping it up.

Barker beats them both.

[barry big balls]

You live in a £20 tent? Can't see anyone wanting to risk more on Fuddy Duddy.
I live in a nice apartment actually but back to boxing duddys not world class nor will he ever be but he just loves chinny boxers like darren , he eats them for breakfast he does.

[Mazallan]

Who has barker beat that duddy or lee couldnt? Who has barker beat at aged 27 that warrants such a high rating from you? I dont blame barker for his opponents but when your getting so carefully matched at his age by your promoters you have to ask yourself......



The fact is that Brker is a far better boxer than Lee and Duddy and would beat them both. Barker probably needs to move on from that level now.

[kurt2006]

I live in a nice apartment actually but back to boxing duddys not world class nor will he ever be but he just loves chinny boxers like darren , he eats them for breakfast he does.

Barker is too clever for Duddy. If BArker and Duddy fought even 10 fights Barker would win each one.

[barry big balls]

The fact is that Brker is a far better boxer than Lee and Duddy and would beat them both. Barker probably needs to move on from that level now.
He needs to fight moore! if you think barker is ahead of lee right now you must be out of your tiny mind.

[TommyV]

I pray everyday he takes on lee or even duddy, its nothing personal but ive watched many of barkers fights and i know that guy is getting knocked out as soon as he steps it up.

The Duddy fight would be so lop-sided on the scorecards it would be embarassing. Lee is over-rated aswell.

[moorser]

barker would beat duddy

but lee knocks barker out every time

barker - just another brit with a glass jaw

[barry big balls]

Not many people in ireland still believe in lee to tell you the truth and nobody outside ireland does. Duddy has decent power and jab its just he doesnt have any sort of defence. I think duddy eventually lands on barker and puts him to sleep.

[Flea Man]

Duddy is fether fisted

[barry big balls]

Duddy is fether fisted
Barker wouldnt crack an egg outside british level.

[moorser]

Not many people in ireland still believe in lee to tell you the truth and nobody outside ireland does. Duddy has decent power and jab its just he doesnt have any sort of defence. I think duddy eventually lands on barker and puts him to sleep.


duddy hasnt got any power , i htink barker would do him on points no problem tbh

[Beeston Brawler]

Barker would absolutely toy with Duddy.

What has Duddy actually done?

He's nearly 31, hasn't won the British title (which he is eligible for), hasn't won the European...... just a ''bum of the month'' tour since he turned pro.

Lee has a bit of potential but his career needs some direction. What are his aims? Where should he be in a year/two years time?

[barry big balls]

Barker would absolutely toy with Duddy.

What has Duddy actually done?

He's nearly 31, hasn't won the British title (which he is eligible for), hasn't won the European...... just a ''bum of the month'' tour since he turned pro.

Lee has a bit of potential but his career needs some direction. What are his aims? Where should he be in a year/two years time?
This is a thread i started about Darren barker not lee or duddy, What are darren barkers aims for future? aged 27 would want to get a move on.........

[Beeston Brawler]

Well, he's British champion for a start.

Macklin is currently awaiting a European shot vs Pirog, so that avenue is closed.

Unless he changes promoter his situation is unlikely to improve in the short term future. It's probably a defence against someone like Elcock. I'm not sure Hennessy will want to put him in with Jamie Moore - too much risk.

If he does change promoter a lot of potential avenues will be available, his list of potential opposition increases..... if I were his promoter I'd be looking at getting someone like Sturm or Sylvester over for a defence against him. Take a chance.

[jdawg]

Well, he's British champion for a start.

Macklin is currently awaiting a European shot vs Pirog, so that avenue is closed.

Unless he changes promoter his situation is unlikely to improve in the short term future. It's probably a defence against someone like Elcock. I'm not sure Hennessy will want to put him in with Jamie Moore - too much risk.

If he does change promoter a lot of potential avenues will be available, his list of potential opposition increases..... if I were his promoter I'd be looking at getting someone like Sturm or Sylvester over for a defence against him. Take a chance.

Couple of bits, yea darren's the british and commonwealth champ, macklins not awaiting a shot at pirog hes already the eu champ and pirog is the likely challenger. But yea i agree elcock is likely to be next for barker as he had to pull out of the vacant british title fight (darren subsequently stopping danny butler for the strap) its seems only fair that wayne gets the shot.

You say the Macklin avenue is shut, im with u there in the short term but its a fight that barker NEEDS to land ths year. Not only would it be a british barn-stormer of a fight but macklins rated top 15 (top 10 in 3) of all 4 of the so-called big 4 organisations. Barker is not rated as highly in ANY of them despite his 2 titles which reaks of poor promotion of the lad. He's a skilled fighter very clever box-puncher who needs to step up in class soon coz that window of opportunity is so small in this game. A macklin or duddy fight would do that. Duddy's a limited fighter who's been given fights on some big cards. A barker win there might not be a massive step up in class but defo an improvement in exposure and world ranking position

[GladiatoR]

Always has to turn into Ireland vs England.

:lol:

[barry big balls]

Always has to turn into Ireland vs England.

:lol:
Are you the guy from the other boxing site forum who said irelands only hope of a world title killed himself ?

[GladiatoR]

Are you the guy from the other boxing site forum who said irelands only hope of a world title killed himself ?

What boxing site?

This one,

Boxingforumdotcom


?

[Beeston Brawler]

Couple of bits, yea darren's the british and commonwealth champ, macklins not awaiting a shot at pirog hes already the eu champ and pirog is the likely challenger. But yea i agree elcock is likely to be next for barker as he had to pull out of the vacant british title fight (darren subsequently stopping danny butler for the strap) its seems only fair that wayne gets the shot.

You say the Macklin avenue is shut, im with u there in the short term but its a fight that barker NEEDS to land ths year. Not only would it be a british barn-stormer of a fight but macklins rated top 15 (top 10 in 3) of all 4 of the so-called big 4 organisations. Barker is not rated as highly in ANY of them despite his 2 titles which reaks of poor promotion of the lad. He's a skilled fighter very clever box-puncher who needs to step up in class soon coz that window of opportunity is so small in this game. A macklin or duddy fight would do that. Duddy's a limited fighter who's been given fights on some big cards. A barker win there might not be a massive step up in class but defo an improvement in exposure and world ranking position

In fairness I don't really count the Commonwealth any more. Until fighters from the other Commonwealth countries actually fight for it (other than shit Africans) it means little more than an area title. Perhaps less.

I keep forgetting Macklin is the Euro champ, I was having a piss at the time, then went to get a beer from the fridge, by that time they were intro'ing the next fight.

I'm not sure Macklin will look to fight Barker - if he beats Pirog (which is a 50-50 fight for me) he won't want to take a backward step to Barker, he'll be mando to Pavlik for the WBC and high in the IBF.

If he loses, it's a more attractive fight, though he might look in Moore's direction, because let's face it, everyone would love to see Moore vs Macklin II.

[jdawg]

In fairness I don't really count the Commonwealth any more. Until fighters from the other Commonwealth countries actually fight for it (other than shit Africans) it means little more than an area title. Perhaps less.

I keep forgetting Macklin is the Euro champ, I was having a piss at the time, then went to get a beer from the fridge, by that time they were intro'ing the next fight.

I'm not sure Macklin will look to fight Barker - if he beats Pirog (which is a 50-50 fight for me) he won't want to take a backward step to Barker, he'll be mando to Pavlik for the WBC and high in the IBF.

If he loses, it's a more attractive fight, though he might look in Moore's direction, because let's face it, everyone would love to see Moore vs Macklin II.

Lol thats 1 way of describing a quick 1 round ko- "he knocked him out quicker than it took me to have a piss and get a beer" Niiiiiice :p Pirog fight will be a good scrap the russians tidy hasnt fought ultra bums either but yea if macklin wins hes lookin at an eliminator with any of the top 4, i just think if I were mick hennesey id throw my money at macklin to get him to fight barker to unify the 3 belts otherwise darren could be in limbo 4 a bit. Jamie moore with either of these would be a gr8 clash of styles partiuclarly barker. moore guarantees fireworks

[Beeston Brawler]

:lol:

I'm being serious!

[jdawg]

I'm being serious!


:lol: I know u r brawler but next 1st round ko i c im gonna b thinkin of that THANKS :p i tell u wot the british middleweight scene is kinda lacking in top fighters atm, i reckon thse promtors should be pushing the likes of groves and degale to be reaching british title level by the end of the year, would make 4 more interesting cards than all the mismatches of late

[mryeags]

or put another way.....no he wouldnt



neither of these guys is ever really going to be world class. shit, barker has skills and speed to burn but up at world level im not so sure about his staying power and toughness. i watched the miranda v pavlik elim fight last night and both those guys at that stage or even a couple fights previous would DESTROY barker and lee



i think for lee, duddy, mcewan, barker, macklin the best thing they could do would be for one to get a strap to go along with macklins euro, create a big domestic rivalry and get about 4/5 fights of that combination over yr and half. everyone would make a bita money and go home with the senses intact

Never heard so much shite ever ! .... Barker is a potential star end of ... when he picks up a world title i look forward to the humble pie you will be eating ...

[Beeston Brawler]

:lol: I know u r brawler but next 1st round ko i c im gonna b thinkin of that THANKS :p i tell u wot the british middleweight scene is kinda lacking in top fighters atm, i reckon thse promtors should be pushing the likes of groves and degale to be reaching british title level by the end of the year, would make 4 more interesting cards than all the mismatches of late

The middleweight scene is awful, to a point where it makes no sense for the pair to meet right now.

Of course Moore is going to rebuild and will be knocking on the European door soon, but leaving those aside, it's gash.

Super middle looks great, Groves would beat Paul Smith if they fought tomorrow, DeGale has a year or so of learning to do IMO. Jeffries is domestic level for me.

They don't have to fight each other yet, just fight live opposition with form, rather than cheap stiffs from the Eastern Bloc. Groves got 8 really good rounds in against an opponent with an equal record of wins and losses in Germany..... a guy who beats rubbish but loses to good fighters.... these joke opponents would struggle to beat the likes of you and me.

[mryeags]

The middleweight scene is awful, to a point where it makes no sense for the pair to meet right now.

Of course Moore is going to rebuild and will be knocking on the European door soon, but leaving those aside, it's gash.

Super middle looks great, Groves would beat Paul Smith if they fought tomorrow, DeGale has a year or so of learning to do IMO. Jeffries is domestic level for me.

They don't have to fight each other yet, just fight live opposition with form, rather than cheap stiffs from the Eastern Bloc. Groves got 8 really good rounds in against an opponent with an equal record of wins and losses in Germany..... a guy who beats rubbish but loses to good fighters.... these joke opponents would struggle to beat the likes of you and me.

Groves looks very very good .... impressive last night against a tough strong opponent ... De Gale im not sure has he had it all come too easy already ? has he the hunger ?...Jeffries i like i can see him being a world contender .. he has power and style .. has he a chin ? if so then could be something useful

[jdawg]

The middleweight scene is awful, to a point where it makes no sense for the pair to meet right now.

Of course Moore is going to rebuild and will be knocking on the European door soon, but leaving those aside, it's gash.

Super middle looks great, Groves would beat Paul Smith if they fought tomorrow, DeGale has a year or so of learning to do IMO. Jeffries is domestic level for me.

They don't have to fight each other yet, just fight live opposition with form, rather than cheap stiffs from the Eastern Bloc. Groves got 8 really good rounds in against an opponent with an equal record of wins and losses in Germany..... a guy who beats rubbish but loses to good fighters.... these joke opponents would struggle to beat the likes of you and me.

I think you've misread me pal, i wasnt saying match the 2 this year im saying get em BOTH fighting for titles (english, british, commonwealth etc) so when they do meet its even bigger profile and worth more £ of course. As we've said its an empty division and the opportunity's there to get these kids (plus billy joe saunders who's big at light middle)in the mix this year. With their amateur experience/success its a waste of time giving em these bums, its a step back from the fighters they were against in amateur internationals ffs! Groves is special, if he fights degale tomorrow he wins again. Jefferies will be handled cautiously, imo he's not gonna be as good as cleverly, bellew, travis dickinson at lh but he's a HUGE ticket seller so he'l be looked after

[jdawg]

Groves looks very very good .... impressive last night against a tough strong opponent ... De Gale im not sure has he had it all come too easy already ? has he the hunger ?...Jeffries i like i can see him being a world contender .. he has power and style .. has he a chin ? if so then could be something useful

I think all these guys with vast amateur pedigree get it stupidly easy when they turn pro mate. what do they learn from a latvian with a rubbish record?? Degales getting down on his shots more, switch hits quite nicely, very quick hands and feet defo the ability's there and he's got the hunger to be the only 1 of jimmy mcdonnells fighters to run in the snow at 6am so its a positive sign. Groves still has the edge 4 me tho more rounded, very clever fighter.

p.s aint this a darren barker thread??? got carried away there...

[mryeags]

I think all these guys with vast amateur pedigree get it stupidly easy when they turn pro mate. what do they learn from a latvian with a rubbish record?? Degales getting down on his shots more, switch hits quite nicely, very quick hands and feet defo the ability's there and he's got the hunger to be the only 1 of jimmy mcdonnells fighters to run in the snow at 6am so its a positive sign. Groves still has the edge 4 me tho more rounded, very clever fighter.

p.s aint this a darren barker thread??? got carried away there...

Fair point on de Gale mate ... but isnt it McDonnell who insists ... but yeah at least he there pushin himself ... i hope they all do well ...but most of all hope Barker does hit the heights and become a world champion ...the MW division is poor an Barker could easily do it ...

[barry big balls]

Fair point on de Gale mate ... but isnt it McDonnell who insists ... but yeah at least he there pushin himself ... i hope they all do well ...but most of all hope Barker does hit the heights and become a world champion ...the MW division is poor an Barker could easily do it ...
Thats were you"re wrong the middle weight division has crazy talent right now coming through with the likes of golovkin , pirog , hassan ndam njikam , macklin all knocking on world title holders doors. where will barker be at the end of the year? i will tell you he will be praying macklin gives him a voluntary of his EBU title and his chances of getting it are slim. Until then he will go on beating britains finest bums and has beens....

[Kelly green]

Dont mind them just laugh at their hype job darren barker.

[Flea Man]

Kelly Green is officially the shittest new nuthugger around, and probably an alias to back up the opinions of a frustrated and unknowledgable nuthugger.

[Kelly green]

Kelly Green is officially the shittest new nuthugger around, and probably an alias to back up the opinions of a frustrated and unknowledgable nuthugger.
Darren barker is world class! LOL the ITV crew are some laugh!

[Flea Man]

Darren barker is world class! LOL the ITV crew are some laugh!

Fuck off:hi:

[Kelly green]

Fuck off:hi:
Name one world class opponent that barker has beat? right i make it easy for you name one european level opponent he has beat?

[Flea Man]

Did I claim that Barker had?

However, on film he looks to be the better fighter? I'm not certain that Duddy or Lee have looked better in any of their wins, and fighting fringe contenders they have lost.

Andy Lee looks to be better than Duddy to be fair, but both of them have no discipline in their performance. Okay, against lesser opposition its hard not to think you can win in a tear up, but the fact that both of them have been found wanting I find it doubtful they will look any better when fighting better opposition.

Barker has done all that has been asked of him thus far and appears to have the attributes to make it to the next level (European)

Now, can you see the difference between what I just said and how SOME Irish fans over egg Duddy and Lee?

[Kelly green]

Barker has tasted the canvas a few times. must be those world class journey men in london again.

[Flea Man]

Barker has tasted the canvas a few times. must be those world class journey men in london again.

Wow, I can tell you're going to add a lot to this board.

[moorser]

if barker ever fought lee he is getting knocked out

in fact duddy would probably give him a few hairy moments

he hasnt got the chin for it simple as that

he is a tidy little boxer but thats about it im afraid

[Flea Man]

if barker ever fought lee he is getting knocked out

in fact duddy would probably give him a few hairy moments

he hasnt got the chin for it simple as that

he is a tidy little boxer but thats about it im afraid

I'm claiming nothing else. However, the fact that he is tidy shows me that he can do something, more to do with the state of the Division rather than him being extraordinary:good

[Kelly green]

I'm claiming nothing else. However, the fact that he is tidy shows me that he can do something, more to do with the state of the Division rather than him being extraordinary:good
Lets just hope barker doesnt run into someone with conroy mcintoshs power again.

[Flea Man]

Lets just hope barker doesnt run into someone with conroy mcintoshs power again.

Stop checking Boxrec:deal

[Kelly green]

Stop checking Boxrec:deal
Im only stating the facts about ITVs world class fighter. Samuels should get a rematch because he nearly had him gone too.

[Flea Man]

So I guess the only purpose you will serve is acting as the yin to the Duddy-haters yang.

Yawn.

[Kelly green]

So I guess the only purpose you will serve is acting as the yin to the Duddy-haters yang.

Yawn.
Barker couldnt take a world class punch so he cant possibly be world class.(if im proven wrong i will apologise)

[Beeston Brawler]

Barker couldnt take a world class punch so he cant possibly be world class.(if im proven wrong i will apologise)

:lol::lol::lol:

How do you know that he can't take a world class punch?

He's been stuck on his arse a few times whilst still being a young fighter.....

Do I think he is iron-jawed? No.

Do I think he is world class potentially? No, probably not.

But you have really generalised by saying that you cannot be world class if you can't take a world class punch. Plenty of world class fighters have less than brilliant whiskers, generally relying on their reflexes and defences to get through.

[GladiatoR]

Barker couldnt take a world class punch so he cant possibly be world class.(if im proven wrong i will apologise)


Amir Khan?

:lol::lol:

[ed7890]

Did I claim that Barker had?

However, on film he looks to be the better fighter? I'm not certain that Duddy or Lee have looked better in any of their wins, and fighting fringe contenders they have lost.

Andy Lee looks to be better than Duddy to be fair, but both of them have no discipline in their performance. Okay, against lesser opposition its hard not to think you can win in a tear up, but the fact that both of them have been found wanting I find it doubtful they will look any better when fighting better opposition.

Barker has done all that has been asked of him thus far and appears to have the attributes to make it to the next level (European)

Now, can you see the difference between what I just said and how SOME Irish fans over egg Duddy and Lee?

Whats the difference between what you said and what Irish posters on here have been saying about Lee and Duddy?

Who's out there saying that they are world beaters? Casual fans probably, and theres plenty of casual British fans who overhype their fighters as well.

[Mazallan]

Barker wouldnt crack an egg outside british level.


Barker struggles to crack eggs at British level. That and his possibly dodgy chin will stop him from going much higher than he is now.

[slapbangwhallop]

Did I claim that Barker had?

However, on film he looks to be the better fighter? I'm not certain that Duddy or Lee have looked better in any of their wins, and fighting fringe contenders they have lost.

Andy Lee looks to be better than Duddy to be fair, but both of them have no discipline in their performance. Okay, against lesser opposition its hard not to think you can win in a tear up, but the fact that both of them have been found wanting I find it doubtful they will look any better when fighting better opposition.

Barker has done all that has been asked of him thus far and appears to have the attributes to make it to the next level (European)

Now, can you see the difference between what I just said and how SOME Irish fans over egg Duddy and Lee?

Lucky they fight in a ring and not on film then eh!!!

Take a look at the hyping of Barker my British posters on this thread - now balance that against the amount of Irish fans who hype Duddy (which is none) yet you slag of Duddy at every chance and wouldnt dare say a word about Barker!

Interesting!

[DOM5153]

Barker couldnt take a world class punch so he cant possibly be world class.(if im proven wrong i will apologise)

Pleb:dead

[anjawnaymiz]

i think barker has the tools to become euro champ and also gets a shot at a world title but thats as far as he gets, even if he does take the opponent all the way and loses in say hamburg?
im talking macklin, sylvester, sturm here and not including pavlik.

duddy and lee are hugely overated an ive seen them struggle against borats plenty of times.

[slapbangwhallop]

i think barker has the tools to become euro champ and also gets a shot at a world title but thats as far as he gets, even if he does take the opponent all the way and loses in say hamburg?
im talking macklin, sylvester, sturm here and not including pavlik.

duddy and lee are hugely overated an ive seen them struggle against borats plenty of times.

who over rates them??

after reading the shite on this and the Duddy thread I now cant wait for Barker to get Khan'd just to wipe to smug face off you deluded arrogant chunts!

[anjawnaymiz]

a lot of people on most boxing forums have been over rating both of them for years now, until lee got beat an duddy took a pounding an showed absolutely no defence what so ever against some eurobum.

and awhile back people even on here had duddy in with a good chance of beating pavlik hahahah!!!!

zzzzzzzzz.................

[ed7890]

What has Duddy actually done?

He's nearly 31, hasn't won the British title (which he is eligible for), hasn't won the European...... just a ''bum of the month'' tour since he turned pro.


Well he doesn't normally fight in Europe enough to be eligible to fight for the European title (can't remember exactly what the rule is).

There was a few fights in Ireland a while ago leading up to the Eastman fight, but at that time he was angling for a shot at the World title so why go for European?

He obviously sees himself as an Irishman (which he is under the Good Friday Agreement), and is supported mainly by Irish fans, so it might not be too appealing, or make him any more popular, to go for the British title.

Also again he was fighting in the States from the start of his career.