View Full Version : If Ding manages to get another contender and KO's him...
Amsterdam
10-02-2007, 03:19 PM
Fighter of the year?
Say a Maccarinelli, Huck, Cunningham top 10 ranked guy, he may get one of these guys before the end of the year and if he wins again, by KO no less, I really cannot think of anyone who would deserve 'fighter of the year' than Darnell.
You have to see the complete turn around in his career from 2006-2007 and that'd be a former titlist starched in Davis, a dangerous contender in Nwodo and then X ranked contender, IF the fight is won of course by Ding.
That'd just be crazy considering he was headed towards a journeyman style career with the supposed health issue's.
Furthermore, Ding deserves a top 5 Cruiserweight ranking, he's KOed Brown, Davis, Judah and Nwodo and there are few who have those type of credentials at CW in 'recent' memory, meaning a year or so.
BITCH ASS
10-02-2007, 03:20 PM
Hell no.
Darthmage
10-02-2007, 03:21 PM
I'd say he is well damn close if not the fighter of the year...
Amsterdam
10-02-2007, 03:22 PM
Hell no.
Why not? Fighter of the year is an award to a fighter who's done something special and one more contender win for Ding and he'll have one of the best resume's of any active Cruiserweight in recent standings, going from a journeyman/gate keeper to this is very special.
Chief_Second
10-02-2007, 03:28 PM
he'd need to destroy enzo in his home town - frank ****** won't allow this fight as he protects his boxers from big hitters
Amsterdam
10-02-2007, 03:31 PM
he'd need to destroy enzo in his home town - frank ****** won't allow this fight as he protects his boxers from big hitters
There are other options.
Huck, Cunningham, Arslan etc. etc.
Hell, even a guy like Vadim Tokarev who only has the single loss to Huck and Vadim is a very easy fight for Ding IMO.
Just any ranked top 10 guy will seal a title shot and a definite top 3 spot, which again is an amazing turn around.
BITCH ASS
10-02-2007, 03:31 PM
Pavlik and IF Cotto wins are more deserving.
kg0208
10-02-2007, 03:35 PM
Pavlik and IF Cotto wins are more deserving.
And Mayweather more than both. But I know you won't accept that.
China_hand_Joe
10-02-2007, 03:35 PM
Mikkel Kessler should be.
Amsterdam
10-02-2007, 03:40 PM
And Mayweather more than both. But I know you won't accept that.
Mayweather, for old DLH and Hatton? No.
But, DLH and Hatton certainly are better wins than Taylor and Miranda, so I will agree with that, but should Cotto dominate Mosely like he did Judah, then Cotto should be given the 'competition nod'.
kg0208
10-02-2007, 03:43 PM
Mayweather, for old DLH and Hatton? No.
But, DLH and Hatton certainly are better wins than Taylor and Miranda, so I will agree with that, but should Cotto dominate Mosely like he did Judah, then Cotto should be given the 'competition nod'.
Not a chance. Old DLH isn't older than Old Mosley. And Hatton is a league above Judah.
Danny Ocean
10-02-2007, 03:44 PM
no
brooklyn1550
10-02-2007, 03:50 PM
No, but it would be the "best story of the year"
Amsterdam
10-02-2007, 03:51 PM
Not a chance. Old DLH isn't older than Old Mosley. And Hatton is a league above Judah.
I disagree that Hatton is a league above Judah, especially since Mayweather-Hatton is at WW and Hatton proved exceptionally vulnerable at WW.
And I stated that it's if Mosely is dominated, Floyd did not dominate DLH, it was a contested match, though he may have carried Oscar.
Fights have to be judged on how they are won, PBF will utterly destroy Hatton and stop him, that's a given and Cotto may or may not dominate Shane, we'll see. But the DLH win is certainly up for criticism.
BITCH ASS
10-02-2007, 03:53 PM
And Mayweather more than both. But I know you won't accept that.
Mayweather too.
kg0208
10-02-2007, 03:55 PM
I disagree that Hatton is a league above Judah, especially since Mayweather-Hatton is at WW and Hatton proved exceptionally vulnerable at WW.
And I stated that it's if Mosely is dominated, Floyd did not dominate DLH, it was a contested match, though he may have carried Oscar.
Yes, but each match should be taken on it's own merits. Judah also lost to Baldomir, then lost to PBF, had a no contest, then lost to Cotto. He just had a very average fight with a no one.
Hatton looked vulnerable at 147 in his first fight there against Collazo, who is better than Baldomir. Hatton will be better adapted this time, and won't come in heavy. He is better than Judah.
IF Cotto dominates Mosley, maybe he can move up. But I am not sold on how good Mosley is any more. I am not buying that beating Collazo, who was doing fine until an injury, and beating shot Vargas means he was what he once was, especially at his age. Plus he is fighting at 147, where Cotto is fighting. PBF went up to DLH, who was drastically larger than him. You also have to make room for the fact that PBF may dominate Hatton.
kg0208
10-02-2007, 03:55 PM
Mayweather too.
Guess I was wrong....my bad.
Fedor Em
10-02-2007, 04:10 PM
If he beat Huck he would definately be a canidate.
LogDog69
10-02-2007, 04:16 PM
Considering what he's accomplishing after 4 straight losses, I have no problem with that.
Brickhaus
10-02-2007, 04:37 PM
Hell, even a guy like Vadim Tokarev who only has the single loss to Huck and Vadim is a very easy fight for Ding IMO.
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You mean the Tokarev who already beat Ding 100-90? Yeah yeah yeah, I know, sleep problems, but they haven't totally gone away, and I haven't seen enough improvement in Ding's stamina and boxing ability to make up enough ground to go from a shutout loss to a win. In any case, I doubt it would be an "easy" fight either way.
I like Ding, I like to watch him, I like the fact that he comes here and he can speak his perspective, but this is a bit too much Dinglove for me. He's had a great year, and he's fought and beaten some good fighters who are at the level of fighter who used to beat him, but he hasn't fought a top 10 cruiser this year (not for lack of trying, but just speaking the facts), while there are plenty of guys who will have beaten multiple top 10 in their class, plus a P4P guy. Big jump from beating 5 top 25 types to beating 3 top 10 types.
C Money
10-02-2007, 04:54 PM
KEEP RINGING BELLS "Ding A Ling":good
Stay determined to Ill it, Kill it, TOP Bill It:yep
He's made a good turn a round and has definitely put himself up there as a top opponent. He's a quality opponent for any titlelist and he's been EARNING it, producing a chorus of KO's.
The WBA cracks me up, the latest rankings on their website still list Virgil Hill as Champion even though he lost to Henry Maske early this year. They have an Interim Champ of Firat Arslan???? I can hear an "AND NEW"!
Cunningham and Maccarnelli, and Mormeck (The real Champ)??
Ding gotta get a shot somewhere.
C Money
10-02-2007, 05:02 PM
The fight against Maske was a non-title bout because Maske wasnīt ranked. It was also at 190 pounds - which wouldnīt have mattered anyway. Donīt underestimate Arslan. Heīs very tough, good chin, good workrate and he comes to fight.
Ringing BELLS Ding-A-Ling:yep
All he gotta do is stay focused and in CONDITION. No doubt whatsoever he has the power to stand with ANY Cruiser.
But the point Mr. Tobkhan, was he's on a quality and impressive win streak and most certainly MAKES FOR A LEGITIMATE CONTENDER TO BE FACED:good
What happens,......HAPPENS!!! = SPORT + FANS WIN:deal
C Money
10-03-2007, 12:10 PM
For sure, Did i deny that? I doubt it. Would be a very entertaining fight but i wouldnīt be too sure who to pick. Arslan drawed with Tokarev and recently beat good contender in Drozd and Brudov.
:lol: I welcome the opportunity too see what happens:yep
There's been talk about Maccaranelli and that seems the most obvious choice.
I dont care which Champ it is, Ding should get someone, since Mormeck is already fighting in NOV. Whoever wins would be taking another step towards a shot at THE REAL CHAMP:good
I'll take Ding over Macaranelli or Arslan, just my picks, hope that a quality fight IS MADE.
dangerousity
10-03-2007, 12:27 PM
Mayweather, for old DLH and Hatton? No.
But, DLH and Hatton certainly are better wins than Taylor and Miranda, so I will agree with that, but should Cotto dominate Mosely like he did Judah, then Cotto should be given the 'competition nod'.
Yeah well, you'd think beating Hatton & DLH are much bigger wins than Nwodo and Davis but well...
Danny Ocean
10-03-2007, 12:29 PM
no what reason shud we rank him higher than winner of hatton-pbf or cotto-ssm
is it because he posts here
nervousxtian
10-03-2007, 12:29 PM
Ding deserves a mention if he beats another top guy, but I don't think his name is big enough to win.
Comeback Fighter of the Year hands down though. Pavlik right now holds the spot, as it's doubtful he fights again this year, but he's ripe for the picking by other fighters, but he has a solid argument.
I think depending on the outcomes of coming fights we will know the answer better.
If Cotto beats Mosley.. he probably get's the nod, but he'd be up against whoever wins the PBF v Hatton fight, who either one who wins would have a solid shot at that title.
Also, Kessler if he beats Calzaghe would be in the running, but I don't think Cal beating Kessler holds the same weight with his other wins.
Also, Mormeck v Haye will give Mormeck a shot as well if he wins that fight.
The winner of Diaz v Diaz also has a shot.
It will come down to who wins their upcoming fight with the most dominating fashion.
Right now, Pav is the solid favorite, as he beat his two guys in a very very exciting fashion, and one being a FOTY canididate.
I think this goes to show the type of year it's been.
Danny Ocean
10-03-2007, 12:40 PM
this the same pavlik whos last opponent was apparently a glass chinned bum who was exposed
nervousxtian
10-03-2007, 12:57 PM
this the same pavlik whos last opponent was apparently a glass chinned bum who was exposed
That's what all the haters were saying previous to the fight.
I still don't think it to be completely true, but it's still a big win against a legit Champion at Middleweight no matter what anyone wants to say.
MrMagic
10-03-2007, 12:59 PM
What the fuuuck?
The best cruiserweight of the year or the Fighter of the year?
Stop kissing ass you stupid or something?
MrMagic
10-03-2007, 01:09 PM
I know dude, it's cool that Ding is a member of ESB but it's fuckin disgusting how some posters kiss up like little hoes...PAthetic.
exactly.. fighter of the year, god damn.. they must all be fucking blind or something. :-(
PolishPummler
10-03-2007, 01:13 PM
Ding quoted Amsterdamn once and now he has a man crush!
magnificentdave
10-03-2007, 02:43 PM
I dont think anyone is saying Ding didn't have a great year, but a LOT of boxers have had a great year, including champions and top p4p guys... so it's just a bit of a stretch to say he's a fighter of the year this year even if he get's a belt...
if he got a belt this year then had a few unification fights in 2008... well, he would definately be a candidate for fighter of the year of 2008 based on that.
Amsterdam
10-03-2007, 03:07 PM
It has nothing to do with kissing ass, he's turned his career around and I'd have noted that even if he did not post here.
Bumdomir was fighter of the year last year, he won a belt no less but lost in embarassing fashion also. The reason he was FOTY was because he turned a journeyman/gate keeper career into being a top level fighter and also a titlist.
Darnell's case would be similiar if he KO's another contender this year and I mean a real ranked guy, a complete career turn around. No belt yet, but 3 big wins after where he was headed would be serious and it would amount to 5 straight KO's and would give him one of the best CW resume's in terms of recent victories.
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