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Sayers
01-24-2010, 01:11 AM
Who are some fighters who overcame a lack of power to still achieve great things? This seems a particularly impressive feat in a sport where the goal is to batter each other in unconsciousness. Two names that are sure to be up there are Locche and, though I feel he punches a little harder that he gets credit for, especially to the body, Whitaker. Who else?

PetethePrince
01-24-2010, 01:14 AM
Kid Gavilan

Thread Stealer
01-24-2010, 01:16 AM
I agree that Whitaker hit harder than often given credit for. Not a powerful guy, but I don't consider him a featherfist either. His left hand rocked Chavez, dropped or stopped other guys, and saved him against Hurtado.

Obviously, Maxie Rosenbloom is up there. 19 stoppage wins in 275 fights.

Tommy Loughran had to deal with frequent hand injuries, so he couldn't punch with all his power, and scored just 17 stoppage wins in 175 fights.

If we're talking about active fighters, than Ivan Calderon has got to be up there.

KTFO
01-24-2010, 01:22 AM
Willie Pep
Kid Chocolate
Ray Famechon

Boxed Ears
01-24-2010, 01:28 AM
I agree that Whitaker hit harder than often given credit for. Not a powerful guy, but I don't consider him a featherfist either. His left hand rocked Chavez, dropped or stopped other guys, and saved him against Hurtado.

Obviously, Maxie Rosenbloom is up there. 19 stoppage wins in 275 fights.

Tommy Loughran had to deal with frequent hand injuries, so he couldn't punch with all his power, and scored just 17 stoppage wins in 175 fights.

If we're talking about active fighters, than Ivan Calderon has got to be up there.

Was Maxie really featherfisted or was it just that he was slapsie?

zadfrak
01-24-2010, 01:49 AM
It's a real underappreciated style, for sure.

Sven Ottke did a real nice job in there. Aside from the Mundine ko, I don't recall him even bloodying up a guys lip or his punches causing swelling. Incredible when you subtract punching power from a guy's toolset, and a guy can still win fights. He sure doesn't get much respect these days, but he didn't hit anywhere near as hard as a Calzaghe. And still managed to win and nobody exactly walked through him or that defense.

mightyd40
01-24-2010, 01:56 AM
Was Maxie really featherfisted or was it just that he was slapsie?
check out his wins compared to his knockouts and you will know

Boxed Ears
01-24-2010, 01:57 AM
It's a real underappreciated style, for sure.

Sven Ottke did a real nice job in there. Aside from the Mundine ko, I don't recall him even bloodying up a guys lip or his punches causing swelling. Incredible when you subtract punching power from a guy's toolset, and a guy can still win fights. He sure doesn't get much respect these days, but he didn't hit anywhere near as hard as a Calzaghe. And still managed to win and nobody exactly walked through him or that defense.

I think it's hard to separate him as a fighter from the massive crapstorm of frustration we got by way of refereeing and judging on his behalf. He's obviously an excellent technician aside from the corruption. Although it's hard to stay awake to appreciate it.

Boxed Ears
01-24-2010, 01:58 AM
check out his wins compared to his knockouts and you will know

I've seen the ratio, I think you've missed my meaning a bit.

laxpdx
01-24-2010, 02:16 AM
Benitez

anarci
01-24-2010, 04:01 AM
Benitez:nono I disagree Benitez did show power at times especially against Maurice Hope. But even beside that Benitez always had at least average power.

Paulie Malinaggi
Ivan Calderon
Yuri Foreman
Paule Ayala hit harder than ^those guys but average power at best and Had some big wins
Sven ottke
Steven Luevano He doesnt hit that hard,but if he did JuanMa might have been in trouble tonight.
Howard Davis
Joey Olivo
Chris Byrd
Henry Maske
Tommy Loughran
Joey Maxim
Barney Ross
Jack Britton
Marty Servo
Kid Gavilan
Dulio Loi
Nicholenne Loche
Saoul Mamby
Jimmy Goodrich
Kenny Lane
Willie Pep
Leo Rodak
Ralph Dupas
Teddy Yarosz
Willie Pastrano
Philadelphia Jack Obrien
Fightin Harada
Wayne Mccullough

And a lot more got tired:patsch

asero
01-24-2010, 04:09 AM
calderon and canto

WhataRock
01-24-2010, 06:43 AM
:nono I disagree Benitez did show power at times especially against Maurice Hope. But even beside that Benitez always had at least average power.



And against Randy Shields aswell...Randy was a pretty tough dude.

Mantequilla
01-24-2010, 09:39 AM
Zapata
Kalule

McGrain
01-24-2010, 09:57 AM
Holman Williams, #1!

randeris
01-24-2010, 01:50 PM
Gavilan and Pep were the first i thought off. Agree very much on Kalule too. Loughran, Rosenbloom and Maske are good shouts too.

OBCboxer
01-24-2010, 01:52 PM
Malignaggi is a good shout.

TheGreatA
01-24-2010, 01:55 PM
The best have been mentioned but the biggest is definitely Zuri Lawrence. 6'4, 240 pounds, 0 KO's in 44 professional fights.

Flea Man
01-24-2010, 02:44 PM
Kid Gavilan

NOT feather fisted.

red cobra
01-24-2010, 02:56 PM
NOT feather fisted. '
No..not a big puncher, more of a volume puncher...but NOT featherfisted.

GPater11093
01-24-2010, 03:12 PM
Kid Gavilan

I disagree that he was featherfisted

Willie Pep
Kid Chocolate
Ray Famechon

Pep was an alright puncher IMO, his power is massivly underrated.

Zapata
Kalule

the ultimate choices

Holman Williams, #1!

Could Eddie Booker be counted?

TheGreatA
01-24-2010, 03:19 PM
Pep was an alright puncher IMO, his power is massivly underrated.


Could Eddie Booker be counted?

If Archie Moore, "Kid" Matthews, Shorty Hogue had glass chins. Booker seemed to be a decent puncher to stop those men.

I'd say it's quite a stretch to classify the likes of Pep, Gavilan, Whitaker as feather-fisted. All of them certainly earned the respect of their opposition with the punching power they possessed.

Even Holman Williams was a fair puncher if not for his hand troubles but he is no doubt a more deserving mention. Tommy Loughran and Maxie Rosenbloom too. The likes of Malignaggi and Calderon couldn't hurt their opponent no matter how hard they tried. That's "feather-fisted".

PetethePrince
01-24-2010, 03:22 PM
NOT feather fisted.

No, I guess not. But he was a greatly successful fighter that didn't really have much power. Feather fisted is probably too strong. But how many ATG fighters are really feather-fisted. Even Pep being nominated seems like a stretch to me.

anarci
01-24-2010, 05:07 PM
Willie Pep
Kid Chocolate
Ray Famechon Kid Chocolate was a bad call he hit was a decent puncher probably the best puncher of all the fighters listed on this thread. He had over 50kos.

Mantequilla
01-24-2010, 05:18 PM
Harada was a good accumulation puncher too imo.


Winstone is one who hasn't been mentioned yet i don't think.

janitor
01-24-2010, 05:25 PM
Tommy Loughran was better than Gene Tunney in virtualy every respect except that Tunney hit harder.

If Loughran had Tunneys power then he would have been almost unbeatable.

McGrain
01-24-2010, 05:39 PM
NOT feather fisted.


Certainly not.

PowerPuncher
01-24-2010, 05:40 PM
Calzaghe and no he didnt used to be a puncher

Mantequilla
01-24-2010, 05:47 PM
Buchanan

randeris
01-24-2010, 05:57 PM
Gus Lesnevich (don't know if he's been mentioned)

Drew101
01-24-2010, 05:58 PM
Sven Ottke
Sammy Serrano

anarci
01-24-2010, 06:00 PM
Buchanan and Calzaghe were not featherfisted.

And yes "Power Puncher" Calzaghe could punch at supermiddle . Hand problems caused him to be a volume puncher. Calzaghe had some good kos at SM.
Ok i think people are reaching now cause Buchanan was a decent puncher and Calzaghe was a good puncher at SM.

janitor
01-24-2010, 06:09 PM
Calzaghe and no he didnt used to be a puncher

Oh yes he did.

WhataRock
01-24-2010, 06:31 PM
Gus Lesnevich (don't know if he's been mentioned)

I wouldnt really consider Gus feather fisted...maybe he is close to the cusp of feather fisted and just average...but he did have some noteworthy stoppages.

Duodenum
01-24-2010, 06:38 PM
Pep dropped Saddler, and he fractured the rugged Sal Bartolo's jaw in registering the only clean knockout loss on Bartolo's record to consolidate the FW Title. Some reports indicate that Willie could be a far more dangerous puncher than his kayo percentage suggests. (He's recorded as scoring multiple knockdowns in some of his matches.) Ditto for Billy Conn, who knocked out Pastor with a hook to the body, and floored him twice earlier.

Willie Pastrano reportedly made a volitional choice at the outset of his career not to be injurious to his opponents. When in possession of the LHW Title though, he produced stoppages in both of his successful title defenses, halting Peralta on cuts, then dropping Terry Downes twice. Peralta and Downes were not exactly tomato cans. (Pastrano-Downes might make for interesting viewing.)

Joey Archer reportedly claimed that his knockdown of Robinson was only the second one of his entire career. He had a very good right, but almost always held it back for defense.

PowerPuncher
01-24-2010, 06:44 PM
Oh yes he did.

No he didnt, and if he was fighting in the days where refs didnt stop fights easily, he'd have about 3 stoppages

scartissue
01-24-2010, 10:03 PM
Jimmy Young
Johnny Dundee
Gianfranco Rosi

Scartissue

burt bienstock
01-24-2010, 11:25 PM
Holman Williams, #1!
the most remarkable featherfisted fighters were Willie Pep,who i saw in his prime in 1943 whipping a top lightweight Allie Stolz. Willie was'nt a hard puncher, but the most elusive boxer ever who had 230 bouts, and was unbeatable until his terrible plane accident in 1945.Pep was Fred Astaire with boxing gloves...More impressive was the great light punching Jack Britton, Welterweight champion,who fought from 1904 til his last bout in 1930. Britton had 344 fights with only 25 ko's. He was stopped only once in his great career. He was a superior Billy Graham, with three times the amount of bouts, and stopped only once...Truly amazing.

SLAKKA
01-24-2010, 11:35 PM
see the post i just made in re Ken Overlin

anarci
01-25-2010, 03:30 AM
Jimmy Young
Johnny Dundee
Gianfranco Rosi

Scartissue I think Rosi had a much better punch than his record showed. I had seen him a fight a few times and he seemed to hurt his opponents even when he didnt knock them out. He also scored a brutal Knocked over Duane Thomas, and almost kod Van Horn.

mcvey
01-25-2010, 05:54 AM
Who are some fighters who overcame a lack of power to still achieve great things? This seems a particularly impressive feat in a sport where the goal is to batter each other in unconsciousness. Two names that are sure to be up there are Locche and, though I feel he punches a little harder that he gets credit for, especially to the body, Whitaker. Who else?

Feather fisted is overstating it ,but BILLY CONN!

ricardinho
01-25-2010, 06:24 AM
Miguel Canto

patscorpio
01-25-2010, 12:13 PM
The best have been mentioned but the biggest is definitely Zuri Lawrence. 6'4, 240 pounds, 0 KO's in 44 professional fights.
the thing with this guy is i think he does it on purpose because thats pretty much the only worth mentioning about him and what makes fighters like mccline and rahman take fights with him but he can box though

PetethePrince
01-25-2010, 01:06 PM
Willie Pastrano

Flea Man
01-25-2010, 01:44 PM
Still, Gavilan was NOT a featherfist.

box101
01-25-2010, 05:42 PM
howard davis fits in this conversation

red cobra
01-25-2010, 07:57 PM
Pep dropped Saddler, and he fractured the rugged Sal Bartolo's jaw in registering the only clean knockout loss on Bartolo's record to consolidate the FW Title. Some reports indicate that Willie could be a far more dangerous puncher than his kayo percentage suggests. (He's recorded as scoring multiple knockdowns in some of his matches.) Ditto for Billy Conn, who knocked out Pastor with a hook to the body, and floored him twice earlier.

Willie Pastrano reportedly made a volitional choice at the outset of his career not to be injurious to his opponents. When in possession of the LHW Title though, he produced stoppages in both of his successful title defenses, halting Peralta on cuts, then dropping Terry Downes twice. Peralta and Downes were not exactly tomato cans. (Pastrano-Downes might make for interesting viewing.) Joey Archer reportedly claimed that his knockdown of Robinson was only the second one of his entire career. He had a very good right, but almost always held it back for defense.

When Willie Pastrano set himself...stopped dancing and took that ultimate risk (for him) of.....GETTING HIT(!!!!) horror of horrors (lol)..he could hit.

My2Sense
01-31-2010, 10:17 PM
Barney Ross


This is the best example IMO.

Jersey Joe
02-01-2010, 10:08 PM
Lamotta could be in there

john garfield
02-01-2010, 10:57 PM
Willie Pep
Kid Chocolate
Ray Famechon

Funny about Pep's powder-puff punch rep; he lived to fight another day by peppering, 'n NOT GETTING peppered. But, what's lost on most fans is: He STOPPED 65 GUYS. That's not chopped liver.

cuchulain
02-02-2010, 01:08 AM
Calzaghe and no he didnt used to be a puncher

He could bang at one time.


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