Top Five Most Overrated Mixed Martial Artits? [Archive]

socrates

01-25-2010, 11:29 AM

I don't agree with the inclusion of Franklin and Le - but the others - most definitely!

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depends what they mean by overrated!!

who ever rated kimbo slice in the first place!

cung le and franklin are silly picks,bisping's not overrated because no one gives him his due anyway,the guy got sparked out by a p4p great thats fighting man...people need to watch that evans fight again! it was a very close contest and evans was done at the end of round 3!! he was fooked... if it had been a 5 round contest bisping would have took it! he showed heart in coming back and taking out a world class operator in kang,hope he does well....

jimmie

01-25-2010, 12:20 PM

WTF is Franklin doing on there ? Hell even Bisping for that matter.

Rattler

01-25-2010, 12:41 PM

I'm fine with Bisping's inclusion.

He lost to Hamill, Evans and Henderson. His only decent win of not is a mid carder in Chris Leben.

Franklin is a ridiculous inclusion, though.

theHawtness

01-25-2010, 01:08 PM

i always thought clay guida was overrated. glad that an "expert" shared the same opinion.

One Punch KO

01-25-2010, 01:41 PM

I agree about Rich Franklin being overrated.

But putting him on a list with the incredibly overhyped Cung Le and Kimbo Slice gives the wrong impression.

achillesthegreat

01-25-2010, 03:00 PM

I don't see how Franklin is overrated. Guida is an exciting contender. He is what he is. I can accept the other choices.

demzor

01-25-2010, 03:07 PM

I dunno why you would put Franklin on any such list. He fought a tough fight against Hendo.. and could have won on some scorecards.

Cung Le should definitely be on the list.. cause he hasn't fought no one.

I agree with Guida. Guy has no offense.

tri-pod

01-25-2010, 03:20 PM

Franklin should not even be close to the top 5. In fact I really don't see him on any list like that at all.

ufoalf

01-25-2010, 03:56 PM

Putting Franklin there is definitely out of line.

I would NOT say it's my top but these always jump out:

Couture. Especially when people start saying, we'll never know who's better Fedor or Couture. Oh ya... we know. There's no fucking comparison. I'll give brock twice the chance I'd give Couture.

Vera used to be hugely overrated especially after Mir win. That always tickled a nerve.

Even though Slice is "overrated" but he's overrated by the people who barely know MMA. So this never bothered me. Not to mentioned he SEEMS like a cool dude(which, knowing his background, I think is genuine) and I'll always support a good person.

Often Fedor is overrated even by knowledgeable fans. Clearly without a defeat and a VERY rare occasion of real trouble it's hard to argue against even the most blind fanatics.

Machida, wtf ever. He's like the new BJJ, he went under the radar for so long that no one wonder how to beat his pussy style. Once he gets a loss or two he'll go down hill faster than Liddell. Almost certainly Shogun will be the first to knock his piss drinking head off, given Shogun stays healthy.

jimmie

01-25-2010, 03:59 PM

Putting Franklin there is definitely out of line.

I would say it's my top but these always jump out:

Couture. Especially when people start saying, we'll never know who's better Fedor or Couture. Oh ya... we know. There's no fucking comparison. I'll give brock twice the chance I'd give Couture.

Vera used to be hugely overrated especially after Mir win. That always tickled a nerve.

Even though Slice is "overrated" but he's overrated by the people who barely know MMA. So this never bothered me. Not to mentioned he SEEMS like a cool dude(which, knowing his background, I think is genuine) and I'll always support a good person.

Often Fedor is overrated even by knowledgeable fans. Clearly without a defeat and a VERY rare occasion of real trouble it's hard to argue against even the most blind fanatics.

Machida, wtf ever. He's like the new BJJ, he went under the radar for so long that no one wonder how to beat his pussy style. Once he gets a loss or two he'll go down hill faster than Liddell. Almost certainly Shogun will be the first to knock his piss drinking head off, given Shogun stays healthy.

:patsch

BewareofDawg

01-25-2010, 04:18 PM

MaliSlamusrex

01-25-2010, 04:43 PM

Warning

Reading that was a waste of time.

LHL

01-25-2010, 04:49 PM

Guida is a bit like Duddy people talk about him because he is in exciting fights but really no one gives them a chance against the good fighters.

jimmie

01-25-2010, 05:24 PM

Randy couture was the most overrated fighter ever. This was proved by the way Nog schooled him. ALOT of people were arguing that he would beat Fedor. Nobody has been unjustly overrated more then Couture

Your hatred for Couture is getting to the point of making you sound almost retarted. So losing to a bigger fighter who happens to be the 2nd greatest Heavyweight of all time in Nogueira makes him the most overatted ever ? Well Cro Cop got submitted by Nogueira does this mean hes the 2nd most overatted ever ? Everything people say about Couture is true his resume can NOT be even argued agianst. 5 time UFC Champion, 7 wins over UFC Champions. His resume at Heavyweight gets overlooked which is BS alot of those wins vs Pedro Rizzo 2x, Tim Sylvia and Gabriel Gonzaga where agianst guys with significant size advantages over him. Sure he has 2 horrific KO loses at 205 but I think he proved how capable he was by trashing Vitor Belfort, Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz at that weight 3 of the greatest to ever compete in that weight. Randy Couture = Mixed Martial Arts greatness.

socrates

01-25-2010, 07:52 PM

couture though at times inconsistent is quite simply a mixed martial artist personified! to say he is overrated is just plaine dumb! beat up prime lidell,ortiz,randleman,belfort,rizzo,gonzaga,maurice smith etc his record is incredible the guy deserves his dues

ufoalf

01-25-2010, 09:01 PM

Your hatred for Couture is getting to the point of making you sound almost retarted. So losing to a bigger fighter who happens to be the 2nd greatest Heavyweight of all time in Nogueira makes him the most overatted ever ? Well Cro Cop got submitted by Nogueira does this mean hes the 2nd most overatted ever ? Everything people say about Couture is true his resume can NOT be even argued agianst. 5 time UFC Champion, 7 wins over UFC Champions. His resume at Heavyweight gets overlooked which is BS alot of those wins vs Pedro Rizzo 2x, Tim Sylvia and Gabriel Gonzaga where agianst guys with significant size advantages over him. Sure he has 2 horrific KO loses at 205 but I think he proved how capable he was by trashing Vitor Belfort, Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz at that weight 3 of the greatest to ever compete in that weight. Randy Couture = Mixed Martial Arts greatness.

And then there's 10 loses. Nog is bigger by 10 lbs. You can hardly consider that "bigger". Nog isn't the same, granted neither is Couture. His resume can't be argued against. It's set in stone, you can't compare him to neither Fedor NOR Nogueira. The gap is just too wide. It always pissed me off when Couture or Nog and even Fedor were compared side by side when their records clearly show the gap.
Also, Couture almost never really had to work his way to get a title shot.

chimba

01-25-2010, 09:58 PM

The most overrated is Rampage

Delroc

01-26-2010, 12:01 AM

list is alright, the writer backs his claims up with good reasons.

Betty Swollocks

01-26-2010, 01:49 AM

ufoalf

01-26-2010, 04:18 AM

I think Franklin is a good choice for the list. He's popular and all that, but break it down and he's not all that great....he's got a glass chin and look at the ease with which an elite fighter like Anderson Silva took him apart twice.

Well Silva is so far ahead of everyone else in the division it's not really a comparison. Franklin did really well against Henderson, W.Silva. Granted getting KOed by Vitor is not all that great but Vitor is a tank with VERY powerful hands.

codeman99998

01-26-2010, 05:09 AM

I think Franklin is a good choice for the list. He's popular and all that, but break it down and he's not all that great....he's got a glass chin and look at the ease with which an elite fighter like Anderson Silva took him apart twice.
List of fighters whose glass chins have been exposed by Anderson Silva:
Chris Leben
Dan Henderson (rocked hard by Silva)
Rich Franklin
Nate Marquardt
James Irvin

Franklin has only ever been stopped by Machida, A. Silva and Vitor. He doesn't have a class chin.

MaliSlamusrex

01-26-2010, 07:33 AM

Brock Lesnar.

Popkins

01-26-2010, 08:36 AM

List of fighters whose glass chins have been exposed by Anderson Silva:
Chris Leben
Dan Henderson (rocked hard by Silva)
Rich Franklin
Nate Marquardt
James Irvin

Franklin has only ever been stopped by Machida, A. Silva and Vitor. He doesn't have a class chin.

Del

ajc1984

01-26-2010, 09:46 AM

The inclusion of Bisping and Franklin is ridiculous.

Bisping is arguably the most hated man in the sport and gets zero respect by the vast majority of MMA fans so I'd say he's underrated if anything. And to say Franklin's lack of skill was exposed by Henderson is absurd given how close their fight was. He got caught early by Vitor, which happens, but the only person to have really outclassed him is Anderson Silva, who has shown to be a class apart from just about everyone he's fought in recent years.

codeman99998

01-26-2010, 12:35 PM

Del

It's sarcasm. My point is that Anderson Silva is such a good striker that he can KO anyone and it doesn't mean they have a glass chin. Some people think that if it is possible that you can be KOd it means you have a glass chin. Anderson has hurt many a fighter with a great chin.

PH|LLA

01-26-2010, 10:08 PM

Gerard Mousassi

jimmie

01-26-2010, 10:44 PM

Gerard Mousassi

Get the fuck out.

PH|LLA

01-26-2010, 11:12 PM

Get the fuck out.
you see

Koa

01-27-2010, 03:10 AM

jimmie

01-27-2010, 11:37 AM

While I think Couture is a legend, and probably the best tactician to ever set foot in the ring. I do think some people over-rate him. On these forums people were saying he was better than Fedor. He is an incredible fighter, but sometimes people just go overboard with what he is capable of. He's really a small heavy/big light heavy who is so talented that he can compete with top tier heavies.

I dont recall anyone saying he is greater then Fedor I dont think even the worlds wildest drugs can make you say that. There are however people like myself included that around 2007 thought Couture would style wise maybe give Fedor some difficulty which isnt impossible.

196osh

01-27-2010, 11:44 AM

I dont recall anyone saying he is greater then Fedor I dont think even the worlds wildest drugs can make you say that. There are however people like myself included that around 2007 thought Couture would style wise maybe give Fedor some difficulty which isnt impossible.

I can't see Randy causing Fedor any issues really.

What is it stylewise that you think would cause Fedor problems with Randy?

jimmie

01-27-2010, 11:51 AM

I can't see Randy causing Fedor any issues really.

What is it stylewise that you think would cause Fedor problems with Randy?

Well this might sound crazy in a way but here it is. While Fedor has a good base he has been took down by superior wrestlers like a Coleman or a Randleman. If Randy where to close the gap and clinch it is possible he gets some kind of takedown especially if he had the advantage of the cage. From there its as simple as this Couture throws lots of short elbows which really arent painful compared to those ones Ortiz or Louiseau would load up on for example they are simply used to cut people ask Vitor Belfort about that in the 3rd Couture fight. The one weakness of Fedor is that he bleeds like a stuck pig he bleed agianst Rodgers last time out, it caused one of the Nogueira fights to be a NC and hell it caused his only loss to TK. It is possible Couture could win via cut. Of course that sounds very crappy but imagine if they had made the fight after Couture beat Gonzaga and Couture's arm heals and they fight February 2008. Few secounds in they clinch, Randy gets a trip, elbows and a bloody Fedor steps up and the ref has to wave it that would have sent shockwaves through MMA.

196osh

01-27-2010, 12:33 PM

I guess. But a cuts stoppaage is basically Randys only hope. Infact its nearly everybodies only hope.

If it was anythinng other that that I would make Fedor a huge favorite. Also I don't think it would send shockwaves as such. There would be a rematch and I would expect Fedor to have adapted his game plan and decimate Randy, with a guy as cerbral as Fedor even if he gets beaten at some point he would come back and even the score in aa brutal fashion imo.

Koa

01-27-2010, 05:04 PM

I dont recall anyone saying he is greater then Fedor I dont think even the worlds wildest drugs can make you say that. There are however people like myself included that around 2007 thought Couture would style wise maybe give Fedor some difficulty which isnt impossible.

People were saying it on this very forum.. It was after Randy beat Gonzaga, and there was some talk about a Couture vs. Fedor bout.

Bad memories, everyone here must have played defensive back. :D

codeman99998

01-27-2010, 05:52 PM

People were saying it on this very forum.. It was after Randy beat Gonzaga, and there was some talk about a Couture vs. Fedor bout.

Bad memories, everyone here must have played defensive back. :D

After the Gonzaga win it makes sense for Randy to be his next opponent. Randy would have been coming off of two big wins over Gonzaga and Sylvia and Fedor had already beaten everyone else.

Randy has aged quite a bit since the Gonzaga fight. I don't think I ever said he'd beat Fedor, but after the Gonz fight a fight with Fedor seemed perfectly reasonable. He had as good a chance as anyone. Theoretically he could also win by grinding Fedor in the clinch and on the ground to a decision.

codeman99998

01-27-2010, 06:20 PM

Gerard Mousassi

+1 The guy is obviously top 10 but people talk as if he has already beaten a bunch of top L10 HWs and it just isn't true. Kang, Sobral, Hunt, Cyborg, Manhoef... these are VERY good wins and he is obviously a very good fighter but he needs to fight some UFC LHWs before we'll really know how good he is, I think.

People were saying he should be ranked #1 at LHW after the soko win:patsch