***official pac hater's excuses after mabs brutal defeat***

[johnco]

fight is coming up and as the trend goes, sorry losers will pop up and discredit the bragging rights of the winner and the fans . so let us discuss the possible excuses..

i would say .... old again :D

i forgot to note that if mab pulls this one ( by a masterful boxing and not running and hugging) then i'll give whatever is due :good

[chimba]

Mab was on steroids against JMM thats why he did well. He was clean against PAC

[Orishaman]

.....MAB had trouble making weight, he was drained....

......Pacquiao's corner had a powerful magenet pointed to MAB's head forcing his head to keep pounding Pacquiao's gloves...

[Scar]

"Barrera and Morales are tune-up material".

Just ask the poster Black and he'll confirm. :rofl :rofl

[brooklyn1550]

Many people will say Barrera was at the end of the road and Pac took on another older Mexican legend instead of facing less ring-worn fighters like Soto, Guzman, and Valero. If Pac beats him, I will give him credit for the victory, just not as much as if it was a prime MAB.

[johnco]

No excuses, not too many Pac haters on here, just Johnco and PacDBest, and Chimba(to a lesser extent) haters. He at least posts on other topics though.

we are not haters... we just defend our utmost "bragging rights" :good

[johnco]

Mab was on steroids against JMM thats why he did well. He was clean against PAC

:rofl :rofl :rofl i never thought of that :!:

[johnco]

"Barrera and Morales are tune-up material".

Just ask the poster Black and he'll confirm. :rofl :rofl

wow, mab and em are now tune up?? :huh :huh excuse black he got this manly love with pac :good

[johnco]

Many people will say Barrera was at the end of the road and Pac took on another older Mexican legend instead of facing less ring-worn fighters like Soto, Guzman, and Valero. If Pac beats him, I will give him credit for the victory, just not as much as if it was a prime MAB.

fair enough.. thank you

[johnco]

.....MAB had trouble making weight, he was drained....

......Pacquiao's corner had a powerful magenet pointed to MAB's head forcing his head to keep pounding Pacquiao's gloves...

:rofl :rofl that is because of the metal plates on mabs ;)

[kg0208]

I distinctly remember you Johnco and a couple of other Pacman fans admitting that MAB was old and faded but that this fight was about money so it was ok in your eyes.

So then it's not an excuse to say MAB is old. He is. Truth is a defense to the allegations you allege.

[Orishaman]

I distinctly remember you Johnco and a couple of other Pacman fans admitting that MAB was old and faded but that this fight was about money so it was ok in your eyes.

So then it's not an excuse to say MAB is old. He is. Truth is a defense to the allegations you allege.

Why so hard on the cat...after all this is humorous thread....:patsch

[kg0208]

Why so hard on the cat...after all this is humorous thread....:patsch

Sure it is....perhaps I was being humorous....like you were when calling people racists. :thumbsup

[chimba]

I distinctly remember you Johnco and a couple of other Pacman fans admitting that MAB was old and faded but that this fight was about money so it was ok in your eyes.

So then it's not an excuse to say MAB is old. He is. Truth is a defense to the allegations you allege.

Yes he is old by PAC standards. By other fighters standards an old MAB is still p4p..who had a close fight with JMM..

For PAC an old MAB gets demolished because his standards are high. Just like he destroyed Erik while Erik got robbed against Diaz who is BTW a Champ no matter how you slice it.

And dont get started with Raheem, he did shit against Morales..PAC dismantled Erik.

I understand though PACs expectations are higher

Trust me I cant wait for PAC to fight Guzman and Soto..Ohh JMM and MAB can beat Soto or Guzman but PAC will beat them savagely

[Orishaman]

Sure it is....perhaps I was being humorous....like you were when calling people racists. :thumbsup

I just said you don't like Puerto Ricans........and when I said that I wasn't being humorous.....

[kg0208]

Yes he is old by PAC standards. By other fighters standards an old MAB is still p4p..who had a close fight with JMM..

For PAC an old MAB gets demolished because his standards are high. Just like he destroyed Erik while Erik got robbed against Diaz who is BTW a Champ no matter how you slice it.

And dont get started with Raheem, he did shit against Morales..PAC dismantled Erik.

I understand though PACs expectations are higher

Trust me I cant wait for PAC to fight Guzman and Soto..Ohh JMM and MAB can beat Soto or Guzman but PAC will beat them savagely

Nope. MAB is old period. His in ring age is ancient. He has been in too many wars.

And Raheems win over Morales simply clarified what many of us already knew. Morales foot movement, hand speed, accuracy and everything else had diminished. You cannot waive it away and dismiss it. I notice alot of qualifying in your post....you want us to not pay attention to Morales' loss to Raheem so he won't look old, and pay close attention to the fact that Morales fought close (he wasn't robbed, it was close, stop crying wolf, we will need robbery for a real one soon enough I am sure) to Diaz, a champion...but not pay attention to the fact that Diaz ISN'T a good champion. Not that one anyways.

Lets look at the whole picture instead shall we? Morales has lost what, 5 of 6 fights? Raheem and Diaz aren't great fighters. He is old. MAB has been past his prime for a while now, we all know that. He has fought wars and his in ring age is certainly past it. Pacman needs to fight a PRIME championship caliber opponent, just like Pacman fans are constantly claiming PBF needs to do. End of story.

[kg0208]

I just said you don't like Puerto Ricans........and when I said that I wasn't being humorous.....
I'm sorry....were you saying something? All I saw you type was that you were a racist.

Oh, and you are the poster who can tell everyone else whether they deserve to be part of their own race or not by magically reading their posts and deciding who's in and out of the PR culture.

[chimba]

Nope. MAB is old period. His in ring age is ancient. He has been in too many wars.

And Raheems win over Morales simply clarified what many of us already knew. Morales foot movement, hand speed, accuracy and everything else had diminished. You cannot waive it away and dismiss it. I notice alot of qualifying in your post....you want us to not pay attention to Morales' loss to Raheem so he won't look old, and pay close attention to the fact that Morales fought close (he wasn't robbed, it was close, stop crying wolf, we will need robbery for a real one soon enough I am sure) to Diaz, a champion...but not pay attention to the fact that Diaz ISN'T a good champion. Not that one anyways.

Lets look at the whole picture instead shall we? Morales has lost what, 5 of 6 fights? Raheem and Diaz aren't great fighters. He is old. MAB has been past his prime for a while now, we all know that. He has fought wars and his in ring age is certainly past it. Pacman needs to fight a PRIME championship caliber opponent, just like Pacman fans are constantly claiming PBF needs to do. End of story.

If the Knicks beats the Lakers by 4 pts because the lakers are bad and the Spurs blows out the Lakers by 30. You tell me that no winning team is more dominating than the other..I think you are not giving PAC credit.

How bout if I say that JMM is a BUM because an old MAB lasted in a close fight against him and even knocked him down, will this statement be true??

The expectation for PAC is to KO MAB and any of his opponents, for others, winning a UD is just as good. Those are different standards

[johnco]

I distinctly remember you Johnco and a couple of other Pacman fans admitting that MAB was old and faded but that this fight was about money so it was ok in your eyes.

So then it's not an excuse to say MAB is old. He is. Truth is a defense to the allegations you allege.

year now is 2007... that mab whom pac whooped was on his prime :good

[chimba]

Dude if you think PAcman can beat Soto, you have another thing coming.

La Zorrita would break pacman down systematically and kill him slowly. Pac can't penetrate through soto's rangy jabs but if he does, soto's lethal uppercuts and right hands will be right there waiting for him.

Soto would knock pacman out brutality.

Re Read your post and now you know why no one takes you seriously in these boards. Time to change man.. its getting tired:-( :verysad and its too bad because you're not dumb

[johnco]

Dude if you think PAcman can beat Soto, you have another thing coming.

La Zorrita would break pacman down systematically and kill him slowly. Pac can't penetrate through soto's rangy jabs but if he does, soto's lethal uppercuts and right hands will be right there waiting for him.

Soto would knock pacman out brutality.

class c fighter like bobby pac rocked sotto's head :lol: :lol: :lol:

[kg0208]

If the Knicks beats the Lakers by 4 pts because the lakers are bad and the Spurs blows out the Lakers by 30. You tell me that no winning team is more dominating than the other..I think you are not giving PAC credit.

How bout if I say that JMM is a BUM because an old MAB lasted in a close fight against him and even knocked him down, will this statement be true??

The expectation for PAC is to KO MAB and any of his opponents, for others, winning a UD is just as good. Those are different standards
I have made no mention of domination or the like.

BTW, in basketball, styles can influence games and series. You cannot go by deficit. One only has to look at how the Mavs did against everyone else last season, but couldn't beat the Warriors based on styles.

Fight a prime opponent. That's all. JMM vs MAB was a good technical fight based on styles. Juarez fought MAB close too, and he is not as good as JMM. It's about styles. Pacman is being judged by ME the same way as PBF. Fight a prime fighter. Pacman fans claim PBF beating an old DLH means little....well, what's good for the goose....

[johnco]

If the Knicks beats the Lakers by 4 pts because the lakers are bad and the Spurs blows out the Lakers by 30. You tell me that no winning team is more dominating than the other..I think you are not giving PAC credit.

How bout if I say that JMM is a BUM because an old MAB lasted in a close fight against him and even knocked him down, will this statement be true??

The expectation for PAC is to KO MAB and any of his opponents, for others, winning a UD is just as good. Those are different standards

very well said :happy :happy :happy

[kg0208]

year now is 2007... that mab whom pac whooped was on his prime :good

No he wasn't. But you can believe that if you like. Just like MAB, Pacman's prime will end around 30 because of his style. Then you will get it.

[johnco]

No he wasn't. But you can believe that if you like. Just like MAB, Pacman's prime will end around 30 because of his style. Then you will get it.

he wasnt prime when he fought pac the first time??? you got to be the dumbest poster when it comes to pac :lol: :lol:
hes pound per pound number 3 during those days and you consider him not on his prime :-(
i know pac time will come up, but while we are at the pole position we got to knock your heads off for being so dumb and not giving whatever is due. strike the iron while it is hot bro. and dont be stupid if you got nothing to brag about :hi:

[chimba]

I have made no mention of domination or the like.

BTW, in basketball, styles can influence games and series. You cannot go by deficit. One only has to look at how the Mavs did against everyone else last season, but couldn't beat the Warriors based on styles.

Fight a prime opponent. That's all. JMM vs MAB was a good technical fight based on styles. Juarez fought MAB close too, and he is not as good as JMM. It's about styles. Pacman is being judged by ME the same way as PBF. Fight a prime fighter. Pacman fans claim PBF beating an old DLH means little....well, what's good for the goose....

Youre squeezing a dry lemon here KG theres is nothing more I can say..FYI PAC has fought prime fighters along long time ago lots of them..He could fight the likes of MAB, JMM now and it wouldnt matter.

Yes Soto and Valero and Guzman are miles ahead of MAB and ERik miles, niles. so there really is nothing PAC can do. Beat Soto, a nobody, Valero a wild slow plodder, Guzman never fought anyone.

History will judge PAC, you know see what RING thinks about it end of OCT..And in case you dont know, DLH own RING now, and he hates PAC...I wouldnt make PAC p4p #1 if I dont particularly like him right? See what happens

[johnco]

I know but that was about the only significant punch thrown by Bobby. Soto got caught while on cruise control but he woke right up after that right hook and got Bobby outa there like nothing.

Every fighter gets hit even when their fighting journeymans..

i respect your soto. it is just that pac is a class A fighter than bobby.
soto will meet pac someday. it will happen :good

[kg0208]

he wasnt prime when he fought pac the first time??? you got to be the dumbest poster when it comes to pac :lol: :lol:
hes pound per pound number 3 during those days and you consider him not on his prime :-(
i know pac time will come up, but while we are at the pole position we got to knock your heads off for being so dumb and not giving whatever is due. strike the iron while it is hot bro. and dont be stupid if you got nothing to brag about :hi:

I don't understand an ignorant word you just said. Unlike you, I'm not all that focused on Pacman. To know MAB's prime, you would need to focus on HIS career. MAB wasn't even prime when he beat Hamed. Being ranked P4P doesn't make you prime....or do you think Hopkins is prime NOW:deal

You don't have any bragging rights with me. Not even a little. I don't like any of the fighters Pacman has fought, and the only fighter I do like, Pacman doesn't compare to, since he is leagues above Pacman. So I have bragging rights there....

[kg0208]

Youre squeezing a dry lemon here KG theres is nothing more I can say..FYI PAC has fought prime fighters along long time ago lots of them..He could fight the likes of MAB, JMM now and it wouldnt matter.

Yes Soto and Valero and Guzman are miles ahead of MAB and ERik miles, niles. so there really is nothing PAC can do. Beat Soto, a nobody, Valero a wild slow plodder, Guzman never fought anyone.

History will judge PAC, you know see what RING thinks about it end of OCT..And in case you dont know, DLH own RING now, and he hates PAC...I wouldnt make PAC p4p #1 if I dont particularly like him right? See what happens

I know what Ring thinks of him now. Don't point to hypotheticals. He is #2....and if PBF beats Hatton he was stay there.

FYI, I don't care what Pacman DID. None of you cared that PBF fought prime fighters for years when you bitched about him. Don't be hypocrites. Fight one NOW. A prime, championship level fighter. You can try and tear them down all you like. Or do you REALLY believe that Morales NOW is better than Guzman?

[johnco]

I don't understand an ignorant word you just said. Unlike you, I'm not all that focused on Pacman. To know MAB's prime, you would need to focus on HIS career. MAB wasn't even prime when he beat Hamed. Being ranked P4P doesn't make you prime....or do you think Hopkins is prime NOW:deal

You don't have any bragging rights with me. Not even a little. I don't like any of the fighters Pacman has fought, and the only fighter I do like, Pacman doesn't compare to, since he is leagues above Pacman. So I have bragging rights there....

u got to be really dumb kg.... mab was not on his prime :yep :yep
so tell me when was mab on his prime?
when it comes to pac, i own your ass :good plain and simple :hey

[BoxingGuru]

forrest fire thing has me rolling...good one.

[johnco]

It's about redemption. Pacman needs to restore his family pride.

What Sotto did to his younger brother was criminal.

when a class b + fighter whooped a class c , it is expected :yep
but getting almost whooped by a class c fighter is an insult, specially if you wobbled in front of ppv . :yep soto and pac will meet :good

[kg0208]

u got to be really dumb kg.... mab was not on his prime :yep :yep
so tell me when was mab on his prime?
when it comes to pac, i own your ass :good plain and simple :hey

Yes, I forgot, you Pacman fans seem to think by typing "owned" it magically proves something.

MAB's prime was from about 94-00. Around then he changed his style because he could no longer physically sustain it.

Not about Pacman, its about MAB. Learn something about him and perhaps I won't have to fill in the gaps for you. Or try asking an MAB fan...or don't you trust their opinion. I would guess you don't cuz of who they are, but you get upset when no one trusts yours on Pacman. Go figure.

[theunderdog]

well, it is true that some people here give more credit to jmm for beating an older mab by UD than they give credit to pac dominating him for 11 rounds. i think this is a clear sign that those haters flame to annoy pac fans because after the pac-mab 1. very few people did not give pac props.

i don't think there will be an excuse in this fight, rather we will here lines such as "they should not have fought anyway" or "we knew it was going to be a beating like the first one"

[chimba]

I know what Ring thinks of him now. Don't point to hypotheticals. He is #2....and if PBF beats Hatton he was stay there.

FYI, I don't care what Pacman DID. None of you cared that PBF fought prime fighters for years when you bitched about him. Don't be hypocrites. Fight one NOW. A prime, championship level fighter. You can try and tear them down all you like. Or do you REALLY believe that Morales NOW is better than Guzman?

Bro you are lost... youre all over the place, I like Floyd. What are you talking about???:huh ... He didnt dominate DLH, but he won clearly. DLH was still a capable fighter, he said shit that he will bring it on but he couldnt Floyd was too slick.. Im not a Floyd hater where are you getting this??? I find him cocky but he is p4p#1

I cant say that Morales is better than Guzman but you dont know because its a different level of competition, Guzman has fought NO ONE!!

[PacDbest]

he wasnt prime when he fought pac the first time??? you got to be the dumbest poster when it comes to pac :lol: :lol:
hes pound per pound number 3 during those days and you consider him not on his prime :-(
i know pac time will come up, but while we are at the pole position we got to knock your heads off for being so dumb and not giving whatever is due. strike the iron while it is hot bro. and dont be stupid if you got nothing to brag about :hi:

You're Packing right Johnco!!! 2003 was the time MAB was on the Highest P4P ratings in his Career. Therefore there's no argument that definitely he was on his Prime when Pac Beat him!!! Congratz you OWNED KG today!!!

[kg0208]

Bro you are lost... youre all over the place, I like Floyd. What are you talking about???:huh ... He didnt dominate DLH, but he won clearly. DLH was still a capable fighter, he said shit that he will bring it on but he couldnt Floyd was too slick.. Im not a Floyd hater where are you getting this??? I find him cocky but he is p4p#1

I cant say that Morales is better than Guzman but you dont know because its a different level of competition, Guzman has fought NO ONE!!

I'm all over the place? You seem to have gotten my point clear enough to defend yourself. When I said you, I was generalizing. But no one here seems to care about that when making posts, calling everyone who doesn't say Pacman rules the world a hater. Again, what's good for the goose.....

Yes, I can say by looking at them that Guzman is better than Morales. Morales has lost to lower level competition as of late. Just like I know Roy Jones would lose to Chad Dawson right now, though Dawson hasn't beaten anyone close to the caliber of fighters Jones has.

[theunderdog]

actually, it is kind of hard to see when mab peaked. if you looked at his record, you'd see that before the pac fight he was coming off 8 straight wins which included fights against morales, hamed, tapia, and kelley. so one can make a stong point that this was the best stretch of his career. however, it could also be argued that mab's physical peak was right after he lost twice to jones and therfore needed to reinvent himself.

[kg0208]

You're Packing right Johnco!!! 2003 was the time MAB was on the Highest P4P ratings in his Career. Therefore there's no argument that definitely he was on his Prime when Pac Beat him!!! Congratz you OWNED KG today!!!

Yay.....a cheerleader!!

Hey, was Hopkins in his prime at 37 and 39? Just a question. Appreciate your answer.

[johnco]

Yes, I forgot, you Pacman fans seem to think by typing "owned" it magically proves something.

MAB's prime was from about 94-00. Around then he changed his style because he could no longer physically sustain it.

Not about Pacman, its about MAB. Learn something about him and perhaps I won't have to fill in the gaps for you. Or try asking an MAB fan...or don't you trust their opinion. I would guess you don't cuz of who they are, but you get upset when no one trusts yours on Pacman. Go figure.

i am trying to figure out your slow brain but let me guess.
before pac - mab 1, all of the "ohhh" and "ahhh" was pointing to mab. but when a young gun name pac dismantled mab, suddenly he was not on his prime anymore?? :lol: :lol: you gotta be a joke when it comes to pac. there is a fine line between "prime" and "someone made him un-prime" that is the case between pac and mab :good

[theunderdog]

Speaking of FLoyd, if him and pacman were to meet at a catch weight, he would do some very nasty things to pacman.

yup and wlad will whip floyd if ever they meet at a catchweight.

[kg0208]

actually, it is kind of hard to see when mab peaked. if you looked at his record, you'd see that before the pac fight he was coming off 8 straight wins which included fights against morales, hamed, tapia, and kelley. so one can make a stong point that this was the best stretch of his career. however, it could also be argued that mab's physical peak was right after he lost twice to jones and therfore needed to reinvent himself.

That was his peak. MAB in his PRIME was better than the fighter who beat those fighters in that stretch. He would have beaten all but Morales worse than he beat them, and Morales only on styles gives him trouble.

People confuse when someone got famous that he was in his prime.

Jones was on a dominating stretch past his prime. Not losing doesn't mean prime, it just means you're better than who you are fighting.

Hopkins was not prime when he beat Trinidad. No one noticed him prior. It's a mistake to think 37 yr old Hopkins was prime, and anyone who saw him in the mid to late 90's knows otherwise.

[theunderdog]

BArrera peaked against Hamed.


so mab defeated morales after mab peaked?

[PacDbest]

4 years ago barrera was still near his Prime & he was no match for Pac. Barrera today is still a good fighter(Competitive loss to JMM Proves this) & A little bit old. But Pac is on a Different League now. When you mixed JMM, MAB, Juarez, EM, Soto & Guzman you will always see competitive & a Close fight. You matched Pac with any great Fighters... most of the time you'll see Domination that ends in a Knockout!!!! Why only Pac can do this????

[kg0208]

i am trying to figure out your slow brain but let me guess.
before pac - mab 1, all of the "ohhh" and "ahhh" was pointing to mab. but when a young gun name pac dismantled mab, suddenly he was not on his prime anymore?? :lol: :lol: you gotta be a joke when it comes to pac. there is a fine line between "prime" and "someone made him un-prime" that is the case between pac and mab :good

Lots of smiley faces, no content.

Learn more about boxing, get back to me. You can be winning and not be prime. Or don't you know that?

Let me rephrase. You are hurting your own argument. If you say that because a fighter is winning and getting highly ranked because of this, he is PRIME, then he can't be NOT prime until he loses. Otherwise you can ALWAYS say he is prime because he is winning.

However, when I point out that MAB lost, now you don't want to accept the logic above, even though it is the logic you were using to claim he was prime in the first place.

[chimba]

I'm all over the place? You seem to have gotten my point clear enough to defend yourself. When I said you, I was generalizing. But no one here seems to care about that when making posts, calling everyone who doesn't say Pacman rules the world a hater. Again, what's good for the goose.....

Yes, I can say by looking at them that Guzman is better than Morales. Morales has lost to lower level competition as of late. Just like I know Roy Jones would lose to Chad Dawson right now, though Dawson hasn't beaten anyone close to the caliber of fighters Jones has.

Rule the World??:patsch WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? hes #2 in the world, people think so by an enormous Majority.

Translation, Alot of people a(Majority) thinks PAC is the second best fighter in the WORLD, yes better than any prime fighters he will eventually fight.

Its not matter of ruling the world he and PBF are ON TOP of the food chain, there is nothing to defend.:huh

There are people out there who know far more ...FAR MORE boxing than you and me will ever know that thinks PAC is the man. There is nothing to defend.

If you come out talking like ohh PAC is this and that, you'll look foolish more often than not. Yeah Guzman WHO??? theres a reason no one knows him, he aint that good?

[theunderdog]

That was his peak. MAB in his PRIME was better than the fighter who beat those fighters in that stretch. He would have beaten all but Morales worse than he beat them, and Morales only on styles gives him trouble.

People confuse when someone got famous that he was in his prime.

Jones was on a dominating stretch past his prime. Not losing doesn't mean prime, it just means you're better than who you are fighting.

Hopkins was not prime when he beat Trinidad. No one noticed him prior. It's a mistake to think 37 yr old Hopkins was prime, and anyone who saw him in the mid to late 90's knows otherwise.

so yeah, mab's best version ever was right after the two losses to jones but his best period of his career was right before he met pac. agreed?

[kg0208]

4 years ago barrera was still near his Prime & he was no match for Pac. Barrera today is still a good fighter(Competitive loss to JMM Proves this) & A little bit old. But Pac is on a Different League now. When you mixed JMM, MAB, Juarez, EM, Soto & Guzman you will always see competitive & a Close fight. You matched Pac with any great Fighters... most of the time you'll see Domination that ends in a Knockout!!!! Why only Pac can do this????

Nothing you said meant anything. Pac isn't the only one who can do what you said. In fact, he isn't the only one doing it. Have you seen Cotto lately? Did you miss Pavlik this Saturday?

Oh...BTW, you're right, 4 years ago, MAB was still NEAR his prime. Never said otherwise.

You didn't answer my question. Was Hopkins PRIME at 37 and 39 yrs old?

[theunderdog]

From an objective standpoint, BArrera did not beat Morales in the rematch, he got thoroughly outboxed but got a gift decision.

i also agree that EM should have won that but mab was thoroughly outboxed? you have to pick better words black. EM did not school mab in that fight

[kg0208]

Rule the World??:patsch WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? hes #2 in the world, people think so by an enormous Majority.

Translation, Alot of people a(Majority) thinks PAC is the second best fighter in the WORLD, yes better than any prime fighters he will eventually fight.

Its not matter of ruling the world he and PBF are ON TOP of the food chain, there is nothing to defend.:huh

There are people out there who know far more ...FAR MORE boxing than you and me will ever know that thinks PAC is the man. There is nothing to defend.

If you come out talking like ohh PAC is this and that, you'll look foolish more often than not. Yeah Guzman WHO??? theres a reason no one knows him, he aint that good?

No one knew Hopkins before he fought Trindad....was he not that good? No one knew Pacman before he fought MAB, was he not that good?

You know exactly what I am talking about. Don't play dumb. Where did I say I rank Pacman P4P?

Anyone that doesn't say Pacman is great and can do anything a Pacman fan says he can, is labled a Hater. PacDbest originally called me this in our original conversation when he was comparing Pacman to Duran.

[kg0208]

so yeah, mab's best version ever was right after the two losses to jones but his best period of his career was right before he met pac. agreed?

That is what I have been saying all along. He certainly accomplished more later on. He had a great stretch that culminated with a win over Hamed and Morales.

BTW, I thought MAB won the FIRST Morales fight, and not the 2nd one. His style had changed and I thought it cost him in the 2nd one. MAB going to war in the mid 90's was better than his technical style of the 00's. But he can't do that anymore for long periods.

[boxbox]

.....MAB had trouble making weight, he was drained....

......Pacquiao's corner had a powerful magenet pointed to MAB's head forcing his head to keep pounding Pacquiao's gloves...

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[johnco]

You're Packing right Johnco!!! 2003 was the time MAB was on the Highest P4P ratings in his Career. Therefore there's no argument that definitely he was on his Prime when Pac Beat him!!! Congratz you OWNED KG today!!!


unfortunately kg likes to draw circles. he knows how to get away from reality by circling away from the truth.
i always owned him.... specially now. pac whooped the prime mab who was pound per pound number 3 that time :good

[chimba]

No one knew Hopkins before he fought Trindad....was he not that good? No one knew Pacman before he fought MAB, was he not that good?

You know exactly what I am talking about. Don't play dumb. Where did I say I rank Pacman P4P?

Anyone that doesn't say Pacman is great and can do anything a Pacman fan says he can, is labled a Hater. PacDbest originally called me this in our original conversation when he was comparing Pacman to Duran.

We are not asking for validation for PACs greatness, hes already again on TOP!!!, Millions, Billions know it..Actually its common knowledge..

Its this prevailing malaise of degrading an opponent before the fight so that one cannot get any credit.

Trust me and you KNOW MORE MORE MILES MORE Than me. Guzman, Soto, Valero, when Pac fights these "prime" fighters.. you'll wish for an Old MAB and Erik back


NO One knows Hopkins before he fought Trinidad????:rofl :rofl :rofl :patsch who????

I give up

[kg0208]

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unfortunately kg likes to draw circles. he knows how to get away from reality by circling away from the truth.
i always owned him.... specially now. pac whooped the prime mab who was pound per pound number 3 that time :good

Either of you gonna stop cheering each other to false victory long enough to answer the questions? Or are simply going to ignore anything that proves your little thesis wrong?

Was Hopkins in his prime at age 37? Yes or No?

[johnco]

Either of you gonna stop cheering each other to false victory long enough to answer the questions? Or are simply going to ignore anything that proves your little thesis wrong?

Was Hopkins in his prime at age 37? Yes or No?

no.. tell me what was his prime by not "BEAR HUGGING, SLAPPING, AND RUNNING 4 K MARATHON" every fight?

[kerrminator]

Barrera being old and way way past his best is not an excuse, its a fact

[theunderdog]

Either of you gonna stop cheering each other to false victory long enough to answer the questions? Or are simply going to ignore anything that proves your little thesis wrong?

Was Hopkins in his prime at age 37? Yes or No?

quit it while you still can man. this people will be chestbumpin each other till they get you crazy.

[kg0208]

We are not asking for validation for PACs greatness, hes already again on TOP!!!, Millions, Billions know it..Actually its common knowledge..

Its this prevailing malaise of degrading an opponent before the fight so that one cannot get any credit.

Trust me and you KNOW MORE MORE MILES MORE Than me. Guzman, Soto, Valero, when Pac fights these "prime" fighters.. you'll wish for an Old MAB and Erik back


NO One knows Hopkins before he fought Trinidad????:rofl :rofl :rofl :patsch who????

I give up

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Do you dare claim that people outside the boxing public knew who Bernard Hopkins was before he fought Trinidad? Is this your claim?

BILLIONS know who Pacman is:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Billions don't even watch this sport. They certainly don't know who Pacman, Mayweather, Hatton, or anyone else is.

[kg0208]

no.. tell me what was his prime by not "BEAR HUGGING, SLAPPING, AND RUNNING 4 K MARATHON" every fight?

Did you just call Hopkins a runner?

Either way, you say Hopkins was not in his prime at age 37. You just agreed to this. Yet by your logic, because MAB was at his highest p4p ranking when he fought Pacman, he has to be prime.

Well, Hopkins highest P4P ranking.....he was 37. And you just said he wasn't prime. So there goes THAT logic.

[kg0208]

quit it while you still can man. this people will be chestbumpin each other till they get you crazy.

I actually think it's funny now. It used to be antagonizing. But they have used it so much that now everyone knows they only do it cuz they can't win an argument on their own merits.

[johnco]

Did you just call Hopkins a runner?

Either way, you say Hopkins was not in his prime at age 37. You just agreed to this. Yet by your logic, because MAB was at his highest p4p ranking when he fought Pacman, he has to be prime.

Well, Hopkins highest P4P ranking.....he was 37. And you just said he wasn't prime. So there goes THAT logic.

as i said your "circling the topic" wont catch pac :good
mab was # 3 that time and he got whooped. that is the highest ranking he got on his prime before he was shot by pac.. so the ring mag and other experts are stupid to put mab at # 3??? or you are just getting off from the topic to save your dumb ass again... remember it doesnt take to be genius to figure out that if you reach one of the highest point in ppp rankings that means you are an elite.
and please dont mention hopkins ..... you are saving your ass again. :lol:

[chimba]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Do you dare claim that people outside the boxing public knew who Bernard Hopkins was before he fought Trinidad? Is this your claim?

BILLIONS know who Pacman is:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Billions don't even watch this sport. They certainly don't know who Pacman, Mayweather, Hatton, or anyone else is.

Casual boxing fans know Hopkins before Trinidad. Make a poll ..It'll make you look good:good Billions is an exageration, an embellishment.

Millions are more accurate, and alot of those millions certainly know more boxing than me ..Maybe not you:hi:

[johnco]

Ummm if you're talking about Hopkins, you're :nut ...

well it is a good technique for him and it works.. but i hate those styles :smoke

[kg0208]

Casual boxing fans know Hopkins before Trinidad. Make a poll ..It'll make you look good:good Billions is an exageration, an embellishment.

Millions are more accurate, and alot of those millions certainly know more boxing than me ..Maybe not you:hi:

Of course they did. And casual boxing fans know Guzman. Make poll. :deal

[kg0208]

as i said your "circling the topic" wont catch pac :good
mab was # 3 that time and he got whooped. that is the highest ranking he got on his prime before he was shot by pac.. so the ring mag and other experts are stupid to put mab at # 3??? or you are just getting off from the topic to save your dumb ass again... remember it doesnt take to be genius to figure out that if you reach one of the highest point in ppp rankings that means you are an elite.
and please dont mention hopkins ..... you are saving your ass again. :lol:
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

In other words, your logic was proven false (as usual) and now you don't want to have it brought up again. All you kept saying was "MAB was #3 by Ring so he was in his prime"..."It was his highest ranking by Ring".

Now that it's proven that a high ranking by Ring doesn't indicate prime, you resort to insults.

How do you determine that MAB was in his prime then? You kept saying it was because of Ring. So if not Ring, then what? Prime and elite are different things. Never once did I say MAB wasn't elite. I said he wasn't prime:)

Oh, and while you're at it, can you please quote where I said Ring having MAB at #3 was wrong? Take your time.

[chimba]

Of course they did. And casual boxing fans know Guzman. Make poll. :deal

You're too smart:lol: Bye the way PAC by KO..:deal

dont fuckin go in the ring old and not prime or else you'll get badly beaten

and Pac fans hate to see a man get raped in the ring

but we will be celebrating mightily at the carnage:happy :happy :happy go PAC:rofl :rofl :rofl :hi:

[kg0208]

You're too smart:lol: Bye the way PAC by KO..:deal

dont fuckin go in the ring old and not prime or else you'll get badly beaten

and Pac fans hate to see a man get raped in the ring

but we will be celebrating mightily at the carnage:happy :happy :happy go PAC:rofl :rofl :rofl :hi:

He better win by KO. I have money on it. Pacman KO 9th round. No skin off my back and money in my pocket.

[PacDbest]

Nothing you said meant anything. Pac isn't the only one who can do what you said. In fact, he isn't the only one doing it. Have you seen Cotto lately? Did you miss Pavlik this Saturday?

Oh...BTW, you're right, 4 years ago, MAB was still NEAR his prime. Never said otherwise.

You didn't answer my question. Was Hopkins PRIME at 37 and 39 yrs old?

Don't care about Bhop.

I'm talking about the Present 126 & 130 pounder, Nobody among them Dominates Opponents ,Greats or Not, like Pac.

You named my Fav Cotto & Kelly but they haven't fight Great(ATG or HOF bound) Fighters yet. Cotto will have one in his next fight with Mosley but I doubt if he can win that fight like How Pac dominates MAB & EM.

[johnco]

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

In other words, your logic got fucked and now you don't want to have it brought up again. All you kept saying was "MAB was #3 by Ring so he was in his prime"..."It was his highest ranking by Ring".

Now that it's proven that a high ranking by Ring doesn't indicate prime, you resort to insults.

How do you determine that MAB was in his prime then?

Oh, and while you're at it, can you please quote where I said Ring having MAB at #3 was wrong? Take your time.


ahhh kg. what a waste of time explaining to your dumb brain( when it comes to pac). i am not name calling you. it is the truth :lol:

so if pbf goes from 1 to 2 then more.... he's still on his prime?? maybe for a singleset back you can still back it up. mab didnt go down fast. he went back on top but not as high as 3.
your logic is stupid :good

[kg0208]

ahhh kg. what a waste of time explaining to your dumb brain. i am not name calling you. it is the truth :lol:

so if pbf goes from 1 to 2 then more.... he's still on his prime?? maybe for a singleset back you can still back it up. mab didnt go down fast. he went back on top but not as high as 3.
your logic is stupid :good

Nah, you're name calling and thats fine by me.

MAB went back up because he won some more fights. That doesn't mean he was prime. Hopkins lost to Taylor and then went back up by winning againt in his 40's. He still wasn't prime :deal

They are parallels. Anyone with a semblance of intelligence can see what I am saying. This excludes you.

PBF could lose tomorrow and still be in his prime. His style hasn't changed, he hasn't physically slown down. If he wins every fight until he is 35, it doesn't mean he is still prime at 35. Just means no one can beat him.

[kg0208]

Don't care about Bhop.

I'm talking about the Present 126 & 130 pounder, Nobody among them Dominates Opponents ,Greats or Not, like Pac.

You named my Fav Cotto & Kelly but they haven't fight Great(ATG or HOF bound) Fighters yet. Cotto will have one in his next fight with Mosley but I doubt if he can win that fight like How Pac dominates MAB & EM.
Good. I don't care about Pacman:deal

I am talking about MAB and whether he was prime or not at what point in his career. Notice I didn't say he was suddenly not prime when PACMAN beat him. I said he wasn't prime when he beat Hamed. Which is well before that fight took place. You are making this about Pacman, not me.

Lots of fighters dominate in their weight classes. Valero has been dominant. But as I have told you a 1000 times. KO's aren't the only way to dominate. More noticable? Yup....more dominant than a 120-108 decision? Nope. Styles buddy. Styles.

Either way....gotta go. Halo 3 calls. Pacman KO MAB 8th round. Peace.

[johnco]

Nah, you're name calling and thats fine by me.

MAB went back up because he won some more fights. That doesn't mean he was prime. Hopkins lost to Taylor and then went back up by winning againt in his 40's. He still wasn't prime :deal

They are parallels. Anyone with a semblance of intelligence can see what I am saying. This excludes you.

PBF could lose tomorrow and still be in his prime. His style hasn't changed, he hasn't physically slown down. If he wins every fight until he is 35, it doesn't mean he is still prime at 35. Just means no one can beat him.

this topic wont go down. you are good in circling the topic. but the truth is pac whooped " PPP # 3 mab" :good that was mabs highest and the brightest. it is the reality. go live with it. :thumbsup

[PacDbest]

Good. I don't care about Pacman:deal

I am talking about MAB and whether he was prime or not at what point in his career. Notice I didn't say he was suddenly not prime when PACMAN beat him. I said he wasn't prime when he beat Hamed. Which is well before that fight took place. You are making this about Pacman, not me.

Lots of fighters dominate in their weight classes. Valero has been dominant. But as I have told you a 1000 times. KO's aren't the only way to dominate. More noticable? Yup....more dominant than a 120-108 decision? Nope. Styles buddy. Styles.

Either way....gotta go. Halo 3 calls. Pacman KO MAB 8th round. Peace.

I'm not gonna go Dirty with you KG. Johnco already make it simply for you but you still don't get it. MAB was top 3 P4P when Pac beat him the first time. Even The Geico Caveman can understand that. Why can't you????

[johnco]

I'm not gonna go Dirty with you KG. Johnco already make it simply for you but you still don't get it. MAB was top 3 P4P when Pac beat him the first time. Even The Geico Caveman can understand that. Why can't you????

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[hmi]

For a change Pac fans, agree with kg. A high P4P ranking doesn't mean that is the boxer's prime. A good example is Hopkins. He is rated high today but it doesn't mean that his prime is today. He is obviously older and slower today.

As for MAB's prime, well you can go back pounding each other again. I don't have an idea when was his prime. All I know is that he is still competitive as shown in his last fight with JMM. He is slower though and that will be to his disadvantage. With said, my vcash is all in to Pacman. lol

[johnco]

For a change Pac fans, agree with kg. A high P4P ranking doesn't mean that is the boxer's prime. A good example is Hopkins. He is rated high today but it doesn't mean that his prime is today. He is obviously older and slower today.

As for MAB's prime, well you can go back pounding each other again. I don't have an idea when was his prime. All I know is that he is still competitive as shown in his last fight with JMM. He is slower though and that will be to his disadvantage. With said, my vcash is all in to Pacman. lol

every case is different pal.. :good

[retriever]

Pac hit MAB when MAB blink.

[kg0208]

this topic wont go down. you are good in circling the topic. but the truth is pac whooped " PPP # 3 mab" :good that was mabs highest and the brightest. it is the reality. go live with it. :thumbsup
Repeating it doesn't make it truth. Yup, MAB's highest ranking was #3. But that doesn't mean it was when he was at his best.

[kg0208]

I'm not gonna go Dirty with you KG. Johnco already make it simply for you but you still don't get it. MAB was top 3 P4P when Pac beat him the first time. Even The Geico Caveman can understand that. Why can't you????

No, Johnco made himself look foolish to everyone but his cheerleading squad. I'm sorry about your delusions. Don't blame them on me.

Neither of you answered the question I asked you. A habit you have when you don't want to have your logic questioned.

If you know what the Geico Caveman is thinking, it explains the communication gap:deal