Jermain Taylor = Chump!!

[pablogad]

I don't normally do this but I can't help feeling that Jermain Taylor is a chump, and has been for a while. All the euphoric posts that I have read since his loss about respecting Jermain for laying it all on the line and not making any excuses are sadly unconvincing, lacking in real empathy, rants by many who wanted to see Jermain lose this past Saturday- don't even argue just admit it!

I'm disappointed in Jermain's performance not because I wanted him to win, but because he should have won easily from what I had witnessed. One of my concerns coming into this fight was would Jermain do the necessary work to take care of his fitness . Since vanquishing Hopkins and to date Jermain's fitness has always appeared to be suspect. Then to state that he felt that round 2 took a lot out of him, when he should have finished Pavlik makes me sick to the stomach.


It is deplorable that a (former) world champion can make such a pathetic statement in this modern era of physical advancement and health. Where is this man's pride or sensibility.

Absolutely un f**ing believable. I really do hope somebody from your camp reads this and passes it on to you - gassing out in 2 rounds!!

Disgraced the whole Kronk ethos, whilst getting KTFO!!

And just so we're clear I take nothing away from Pavlik - who clearly did an excellent job outside and inside the ring (trained and fought like he was supposed to) in securing this victory.

[booklord]

This is not so hard to understand.....

Taylor isn't used to being forced to fight at anothers pace. Particularly at the pace that Pavlik set. His stanima is his greatest weakness. And Pavlik is the middleweight fighter most likely to exploit it. Most of the other middleweights in the division don't have the style or physicality to do that.

[Jorodz]

anybody that gets in the ring and fights is not a chump. especially when fighting the number 1 ranked middleweight in the world. he fucked up, and he'll probably make some shitty excuses but it takes balls to be a boxer. he didn't quit, he showed heart and he came up short.

[Shake]

Not really. He just lost.

[Marnoff]

He let the balls hang out and this time he was not the better man. Nothing shameful in that.

[FlatNose]

anybody that gets in the ring and fights is not a chump. especially when fighting the number 1 ranked middleweight in the world. he fucked up, and he'll probably make some shitty excuses but it takes balls to be a boxer. he didn't quit, he showed heart and he came up short.
So true.Its easy to stand outside the ring and say, "oh , he's a chump",
without feeling the burn in the lungs from the extreame excertion , or the pain of getting smacked upside the head, or getting a broken nose, the agony of a wind sapping body shot.Chumps don't win undisputed titles or demand rematches after they get their head handed to them.
Chumps usually just call names from a safe distance.

[rydersonthestorm]

Your a fucking chump and a troll to boot, some of these keyboard warrior should have abit more respect for top level fighter's.

[pablogad]

Fellas - never before have I witnessed a champion lacking in fitness to the extent that JT does.


Look at any other champion of the last decade: sugar ray leonard, hagler, holmes - or futher back still, jake lamotta, sugar ray robinson, ali.


If you go into a fight ill prepared stamina or other wise, and with your legacy and pride at stake, and your a heavily criticise champion with something to prove, then you're a chump! Simple as!!

[booklord]

I never saw a fighter who was so completely incapable of fighting backwards until Pavlik exposed Miranda's biggest weakness for the world to see.

Some fighters have glaring weaknesses. But they don't get exposed until a fighter with the right style shows up.

[pablogad]

Your a fucking chump and a troll to boot, some of these keyboard warrior should have abit more respect for top level fighter's.

I'm all for respecting fighters who first and foremost respect themselves and second respect this sport. I have never been so incensed by a fighter's complacency as I have by Jermain's.

And just so you're clear hotti_killer I'd couldn't give a rat's arse what you think of me - I've walked the walk and therefore can talk the talk. Simple as!!!

[rydersonthestorm]

Well as everyone so far has given you shit for being s chump what you say doesn't matter, and what proof have you got that you where a boxer we would all like to see it.

[klion22]

Yeah, he's a chump for standing in front of Pavlik for 7 rounds and exchanging power shots.

If anything, the guy is stupid because he still hasn't learned how to utilize his immense talents properly. But a chump he is not. He brings it against fighters who fight. Maybe a little too much for his own good. A talented guy like him needs to box more.

[Lampley]

Yeah, he's a chump for standing in front of Pavlik for 7 rounds and exchanging power shots.

If anything, the guy is stupid because he still hasn't learned how to utilize his immense talents properly. But a chump he is not. He brings it against fighters who fight. Maybe a little too much for his own good. A talented guy like him needs to box more.

Exactly. Taylor is a brawler in a boxer's body.

[Lampley]

I'm all for respecting fighters who first and foremost respect themselves and second respect this sport. I have never been so incensed by a fighter's complacency as I have by Jermain's.

And just so you're clear hotti_killer I'd couldn't give a rat's arse what you think of me - I've walked the walk and therefore can talk the talk. Simple as!!!

Perhaps if you toned down the hyperbole, people might take you more seriously. Taylor's physical conditioning is OK -- not great, but OK. I think he wears down mentally under the spotlight, which is something he may or may not ever be able to address.

Regardless, he fought a courageous fight at a division that's too small for him against a tough, determined puncher.

If you want to complain about guys not showing proper respect for competition, check out the heavyweight division. Leave Taylor alone.

[ron u.k.]

I don't normally do this but I can't help feeling that Jermain Taylor is a chump, and has been for a while. All the euphoric posts that I have read since his loss about respecting Jermain for laying it all on the line and not making any excuses are sadly unconvincing, lacking in real empathy, rants by many who wanted to see Jermain lose this past Saturday- don't even argue just admit it!

I'm disappointed in Jermain's performance not because I wanted him to win, but because he should have won easily from what I had witnessed. One of my concerns coming into this fight was would Jermain do the necessary work to take care of his fitness . Since vanquishing Hopkins and to date Jermain's fitness has always appeared to be suspect. Then to state that he felt that round 2 took a lot out of him, when he should have finished Pavlik makes me sick to the stomach.


It is deplorable that a (former) world champion can make such a pathetic statement in this modern era of physical advancement and health. Where is this man's pride or sensibility.

Absolutely un f**ing believable. I really do hope somebody from your camp reads this and passes it on to you - gassing out in 2 rounds!!

Disgraced the whole Kronk ethos, whilst getting KTFO!!

And just so we're clear I take nothing away from Pavlik - who clearly did an excellent job outside and inside the ring (trained and fought like he was supposed to) in securing this victory.when i saw the thread title i thought "he we go just another hating post" but really i can see where your coming from,you make some valid arguments in there.i've mentioned on another thread that if he can improve his stamina in any rematch,and there's no reason why he shouldn't be able to beat pavlik,i think they're pretty evenly matched.

[Motor City Sam]

anybody that gets in the ring and fights is not a chump. especially when fighting the number 1 ranked middleweight in the world. he fucked up, and he'll probably make some shitty excuses but it takes balls to be a boxer. he didn't quit, he showed heart and he came up short.

Well said. Like him or not, in no way is JT a bum.

[koko of phil]

Ok Taylor got stupid and lost, so be it. But who knows if he takes this lose a learning experience and be a changed fighter next time, then lots of Jermaine fans will be glad. But if we see he does the same thing again, then he really is a chump!

[David UK]

He's not a chump. Just not very good, which was has been clearly apparent to me for a long time

[josak]

I agree that Taylor should have won the fight based on the style difference. He simply did the wrong thing again by letting the other guy push him to the ropes and take him out (and not listening to manny). He did his best, but he has a bit of training to do me thinks.

[Mrvooh]

Your a fucking chump and a troll to boot, some of these keyboard warrior should have abit more respect for top level fighter's. Well put, hotti killster ( Hotti_killer)...Not only that, but Larry Merchant was right, the only thing was that 1 man was able to get up, and one was not. Taylor's pretty quick, and has explosive punches...He fough better, and was in better shape for this fight, it seems , than his previous ones. Both of em can take a punch, but when a flurry onslaught like in rd 2, and then 7 = no one can stand up against that :yep

[24barrels]

C'mon he got caught by Pavliks right hand and lost one fight. It happens. He still is a very good, technical fighter who has a good chance to beat anyone at MW.

[Zakman]

He's not a chump. Just not very good, which was has been clearly apparent to me for a long time

Exactly. It's not his fault he wasn't as good as the HBO hype made him out to be, or that they got him all those gift decisions.

Taylor was, in many ways, as much of a victim of HBOs corruption as the sport itself. Thankfully, their charade is over - for crap like that is RUINING boxing.

[tays001]

Im am glad thet HE got KTFO .. i've watched the fight 13 time and replayed the o about 30 times.. i can't get enough of it on the 1:00 minute mark he gets hit by a big right hand that stuns him then at the 56 second mark another big right that stunns and sends him to the corner then a barrage of punches put him away.


by the way IF TYALOR HAD WON ALL THE TAYOR FANS WOULD BE SINGING HIS PRAISES ANDT WE WOULDN'T HEAR THE END OF IT

SO SO LONG TAYLOR

[tays001]

Ok Taylor got stupid and lost, so be it. But who knows if he takes this lose a learning experience and be a changed fighter next time, then lots of Jermaine fans will be glad. But if we see he does the same thing again, then he really is a chump!

TYALOR DIDN'T LOSE CUZ HE WAS STUPID HE LOST CUZ HE WASN'T WHAT HBO MADE HIM OUT TO BE:good :yep

[C Money]

I don't normally do this but I can't help feeling that Jermain Taylor is a chump, and has been for a while. All the euphoric posts that I have read since his loss about respecting Jermain for laying it all on the line and not making any excuses are sadly unconvincing, lacking in real empathy, rants by many who wanted to see Jermain lose this past Saturday- don't even argue just admit it!

I'm disappointed in Jermain's performance not because I wanted him to win, but because he should have won easily from what I had witnessed. One of my concerns coming into this fight was would Jermain do the necessary work to take care of his fitness . Since vanquishing Hopkins and to date Jermain's fitness has always appeared to be suspect. Then to state that he felt that round 2 took a lot out of him, when he should have finished Pavlik makes me sick to the stomach.


It is deplorable that a (former) world champion can make such a pathetic statement in this modern era of physical advancement and health. Where is this man's pride or sensibility.

Absolutely un f**ing believable. I really do hope somebody from your camp reads this and passes it on to you - gassing out in 2 rounds!!

Disgraced the whole Kronk ethos, whilst getting KTFO!!

And just so we're clear I take nothing away from Pavlik - who clearly did an excellent job outside and inside the ring (trained and fought like he was supposed to) in securing this victory.


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He came within precious seconds of victory and fought with the intent to win. The quality of both men made a great fight, Pavlik fought smarter, and had the better POWER.:good

New Chamion, hope they do a rematch at 68:yep

[pablogad]

The purpose of my original post was to express my thoughts on how I saw the fight, rile up a litlle controversy because - let's face it - controversy evokes interest and discussion.

If I was Jermain Taylor and I reviewed my efforts this past Saturday and previous fights I would feel like a chump - because whilst Taylor lost to the better man - he really should have won - end of as we sayin th UK. Taylor's unwillingness or inability to address his own obvious stamina/conditioning flaws is why he lost - period. So taylor is a chump for that, as far as I am concerned. I never said the man was a bum or incapable or anything like that. And for the record I would tell him to his face. The fact that this is a forum means that I have posted my opinions via keyboard - this does not make me a coward. Maybe an opinionated bastard but not a coward!!

And I can talk the talk because I have walked the walk. And a special shout to Hotti-killer and any one else who feels incensed by my comments. That was the purpose of my post - fools! And yeah I know I'm a coward, blah blah blah... my email's widely available - if you're that concerned step up to the plate or shut up.

Don't hate the messenger.....hate the game!:bart

[rydersonthestorm]

Where is your widely available e-mail i can't see it, i can't see it on your profile so don't talk shit.

[Fedor Em]

Exactly. It's not his fault he wasn't as good as the HBO hype made him out to be, or that they got him all those gift decisions.

Taylor was, in many ways, as much of a victim of HBOs corruption as the sport itself. Thankfully, their charade is over - for crap like that is RUINING boxing.

Fighting B-Hop twice, Winky, Ouma, Joppy when Taylor was still pretty green, and Pavlik means he has balls and should be RESPECTED as a fighter for daring to be great. He came up just short in his last fight but the man should be given credit. He is still a B+ to A- level fighter.

His first fight with Hopkins was good (he won I would LOVE to see your scorecard for that fight). The Winky fight was very good and you could argue a draw for him I would have to see it again but I scored 6 rounds for Taylor the first time and 5 rounds for him the 2nd time but you could have gave him rounds for his punches landing with more authority and even when they hit Winks gloves they knocked his head back, stinging him. His fight with Pavlik was possibly FOTY and he had Pav down and all over the ring on queer street tying Taylor up for about a minute after Kelly got back up. So you calling this "Ruining boxing" when all the fights before Pavilk any un biased person could legitly have Taylor WINNING every fight he has been in or giving him a draw against Winky which was FAIR.

You trash him every chance you get and it is quite pathetic, the judges scorecards for the Pav fight were bullshit I had it 3-3 going into the 7th so Taylor was up by 1 point, but that is not Jermain's fault. So get off his fucking case because if all boxers had the nuts to take the level of competation he takes then all divisions would have 1 true champion.

[madpup]

Zakman...your dislike for Taylor is kind of creepy in an obsessive kind of way. You are one sad individual.

[Zakman]

Zakman...your dislike for Taylor is kind of creepy in an obsessive kind of way. You are one sad individual.
What I dislike is the CORRUPTION that lead to his acquiring and retaining the middleweight title. If you read my post above, you would understand I have nothing against Taylor as an individual. What I am outraged about - and what boxing fans in general SHOULD be outraged about - are the GIFT DECISIONS that HBO got Taylor, and the screw-jobs they gave to Hopkins and Wright. :fire

They would have screwed Pavlik, too, if he didn't take it out of their hands and knock HBOs poster-boy the F*UCK out! :yep

[box03]

Taylor is far from a chump, he fought the best at middlewieght and ducked nobody, his resume shows proves it. I know theres alot of what ifs, but what if Taylor would of finished Pavlik in the 2nd. Everybody would be saying how Pavlik was just a hype job that didnt deserve to be in the ring with Taylor in the first place, Im not a huge Taylor fan but give the man some credit. Taylor has a better resume than Calzaghe so if Calzaghe gets knocked out by Kessler I guess that makes him a chump too.

[Shane]

Taylor=Fraud=Chump.

[booradley]

I hope the truth doesn't hurt anyones feelings to bad, but reality is Taylor met a guy who on the evening of Sept 29th, 2007 was the better man. He fought like a champion and went out on his shield like a true warrior. That's the opinion of a died in the wool, hardcore, Pavlik fan!

boo

[kg0208]

The purpose of my original post was to express my thoughts on how I saw the fight, rile up a litlle controversy because - let's face it - controversy evokes interest and discussion.

If I was Jermain Taylor and I reviewed my efforts this past Saturday and previous fights I would feel like a chump - because whilst Taylor lost to the better man - he really should have won - end of as we sayin th UK. Taylor's unwillingness or inability to address his own obvious stamina/conditioning flaws is why he lost - period. So taylor is a chump for that, as far as I am concerned. I never said the man was a bum or incapable or anything like that. And for the record I would tell him to his face. The fact that this is a forum means that I have posted my opinions via keyboard - this does not make me a coward. Maybe an opinionated bastard but not a coward!!

And I can talk the talk because I have walked the walk. And a special shout to Hotti-killer and any one else who feels incensed by my comments. That was the purpose of my post - fools! And yeah I know I'm a coward, blah blah blah... my email's widely available - if you're that concerned step up to the plate or shut up.

Don't hate the messenger.....hate the game!:bart

The game is boring and rather predictable. Some of us here aren't playing.

Some people who have walked the walk should keep their mouths shut, but too each their own right?

You're desire to rile things up is an indication that you were not getting what you wanted. Are you going to come forth with your proof that you are a boxer?

[Fedor Em]

What I dislike is the CORRUPTION that lead to his acquiring and retaining the middleweight title. If you read my post above, you would understand I have nothing against Taylor as an individual. What I am outraged about - and what boxing fans in general SHOULD be outraged about - are the GIFT DECISIONS that HBO got Taylor, and the screw-jobs they gave to Hopkins and Wright. :fire

They would have screwed Pavlik, too, if he didn't take it out of their hands and knock HBOs poster-boy the F*UCK out! :yep

Quit ducking my posts like your name is One Punch and Post your scorecards from Hopkins/Taylor I and II. Do you seriously think he got robbed? Cause I got both fights 115-113 Taylor.

[box03]

Quit ducking my posts like your name is One Punch and Post your scorecards from Hopkins/Taylor I and II. Do you seriously think he got robbed? Cause I got both fights 115-113 Taylor. I had the first fight for Taylor 115-113 and the second fight 115-113 for Hopkins. Both fights were close and could go either way.

[KhanB]

I think Hopkins won the first fight and got a draw in the rematch. I had Hops winning rds 3,5,7 with 8 real close and of course he swept the last 4 rds even though one judge had Taylor winning the 12th rd which was huge cuz if he didnt do that Hops couldve at least of had a draw. Wright shouldve won IMO but he coasted in the 12thrd which is a bad habit for him. He shouldve known better bcuz he was almost in Taylor's back yard.

[ROC]

Just a bad nite. I hope he goes back at Pavlik.

[Fedor Em]

I had the first fight for Taylor 115-113 and the second fight 115-113 for Hopkins. Both fights were close and could go either way.

Thank you Hopkins wasn't "Robbed" in any way but Zakman seems to use that line over and over. I want to see his scorecards, and him to back his reasons up to claim Hopkins was robbed. The fact is he cannot do it.

[box03]

Thank you Hopkins wasn't "Robbed" in any way but Zakman seems to use that line over and over. I want to see his scorecards, and him to back his reasons up to claim Hopkins was robbed. The fact is he cannot do it. Im a big Hopkins fan but I must say he didnt perform well against Taylor until the second half of the fight IMO, by that time it was too late to win by decision. The second fight was closer, and some of the rounds could of went either way, but I had it 115-113 for Hopkins.