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McGrain
01-31-2010, 03:11 PM
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The more I see this, the more I think this is as good an example of the pressure and stress a stalker places his foe under as we have in colour. Nelson isn't taking every minute of every round by any means, but the spells he is losing are still being heavily invested with win. Nelson keeps his opponent busy throughout with his control of space and distance, and Ordenes is taking many, many more paces than he wants to. He's also forced to throw punches inspite of Nelson's excellent technical guard being in position - in other words he's not getting much time to feint his man out of position, make angles or pick his spots. He's forced to take action he doesn't want to take.

Meanwhile, Nelson is winging in the occasional murderous shot (with limited success, it must be said) whilst deploying his excellent jab. The jab works to gather points, to add to his opponents woes as far as "getting set" goes. I'd say that Ordenes is already beginning to drift from stick and move to runner by the end of three.

As an aside, zip on to about 2 minutes. Here we have a shot over-the-shoulder of the doomed Ordenes...check out Nelson's face. Imagine the pshychological implications of being stalked by that man and running out of ideas as to how to keep him off you?

Ordenes has a busy round four and does really well, in fact to the untrained eye it might look a little like Nelson's power rescues him in round 5; but I think Nelson has been breaking his man down on a variety of different levels from round 1. I love the way he drops his hands in five, signaling that it's time to go to war.

Horrific, brutal finish. Ordenes had heart. Never stopped apart from this or did i mis-remember?

Mantequilla
01-31-2010, 03:42 PM
I think was when Nelson was at his very best.Probably one of the fights i would go for if i just wanted to see a real peak performance from him.

that said, Ordenes was mediocre at best.

Another Nelson fight i really liked was the one against Cabrera.It's interesting to compare it McGuigans effort.

Where Barry toiled, nelson always seemed comfortably in 2nd gear, until it was time to step it up.

McGrain
02-01-2010, 12:15 PM
I think you're maybe a wee bit hard on him Mante. He's reasonably mobile, has a tidy jab, and the shot that was the beginning of the end for him would have hurt just about anyone. Plus, there's no doubting his heart. I'm not trying to paint him as a world beater or anything, I just thinks he looks okay. Was he ever stopped apart from this? I really must google boxrec and find out for myself.

McGrain
02-01-2010, 12:17 PM
I agree with you that Nelson looked as good as he ever did in terms of what he wanted to do and how he went about it. It's almost incidental that he got hit a fair bit.

Jersey Joe
02-01-2010, 09:48 PM
Ordenes looked a pretty good fighter from that footage.

Nelson is relentless - is it just me or is his stalking here reminiscent of the Terminator (first film)? Awesome defence too around the 5 min mark and in general.

The other thing I noticed is how ripped Nelson's physique was, I'd love to know his training routine.

Makes you appreciate the Sanchez win all the more, Nelson was a great fighter.

BlueApollo
02-01-2010, 10:48 PM
How about that head movement at 5:00?

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Mantequilla
02-02-2010, 12:24 PM
It was Kalule-esque.

That's why i've never quite taken to Nelson i think, just from an aesthetic point of view.he was like Tito, in that he regressed in many ways technically as his career went on.Got too reliant on just overwhelming fighters with powershots.He was a lot tidier and more efficient as a feather, if he had fought just a bit more technically he would probably have been a favourite of mine.

GPater11093
02-02-2010, 12:31 PM
McGrain, I love your threads like this. Love the way you pick an obscure fight and anaylse it like that and use it to show a great example of a technique.

My2Sense
02-02-2010, 06:28 PM
he was like Tito, in that he regressed in many ways technically as his career went on.Got too reliant on just overwhelming fighters with powershots.He was a lot tidier and more efficient as a feather, if he had fought just a bit more technically he would probably have been a favourite of mine.

Really? I thought he showed his best boxing ability as a jr. lightweight in the Martinez rematch.

Mantequilla
02-02-2010, 06:38 PM
Yeah, when he hit his stride in that fight he was as good as i've ever seen him, but i dunno...generally he seemed to go for the brute force approach more after he moved up.

Comparing him to Tito was harsh though, now that i think about it.There was a much more pronounced change in style with Tito.

McGrain
02-02-2010, 06:44 PM
I loved that fight also.

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McGrain
02-02-2010, 06:57 PM
McGrain, I love your threads like this. Love the way you pick an obscure fight and anaylse it like that and use it to show a great example of a technique.


Cheers. Do you like this fight?

GPater11093
02-03-2010, 11:34 AM
Cheers. Do you like this fight?

Cant watch Youtube on my computer but will make an effort to naba computer and watch it

McGrain
02-03-2010, 04:13 PM
Jeez, that's no good, why not?

GPater11093
02-03-2010, 04:19 PM
Not sure my internet crashes after 2 minutes of a video on Youtube.

McGrain
02-03-2010, 04:21 PM
That sucks my balls.

GPater11093
02-03-2010, 04:28 PM
It's annoying luckily I have quite afew unwatched DVDs of fights to get through.

GPater11093
12-19-2010, 02:55 PM
I watched this fight today.

You mentioned Ordenes has a good 4th round, where he stops the moving and starts to trade with Nelson. I think this is a very over looked by-product of effective pressure. The fact is, when your being pressured it is so easy and tempting just to stand and trade and when that happens it is normally near the end and the guy gets desperate. Exactly what happened here.