One thing you can't take away from American and Mexican boxers...

[MrStayman]

There are more entertaining American/Mexican fights than there are entertaining European fights. It's not even close.

[bumdujour]

true.

[Rickypr18]

There are more entertaining American/Mexican fights than there are entertaining European fights. It's not even close.
Boricuas and mexicans are the most entertaining fights.

[Mrvooh]

Joe and Kessler are pretty entertaining...Lee???

[Smith]

Americans NO....Mexicans yes

[the_what]

Micky Ward, Fernando Vargas, Emmanuel Augustus, Darnell Wilson, Shane Mosley, Kelly Pavlik, Diego Corrales. All American. All exciting. :yep

[thewoo]

So not true. European fighters just don't get as much exposure on american TV but they have their fair share of excellent scraps.

[sean]

with the exception of DD how many americans on esb watch a lot of european boxing to know one way or the other ?

[Taffyy]

Yep..........Hopkins v Winky was brilliant as was that all action Mayweather v DLH ............ Fuck off mate........!!!!!!!!!

[kg0208]

with the exception of DD how many americans on esb watch a lot of european boxing to know one way or the other ?

I watch as much of it as I can actually. Euros seem to have a refined hardness that fascinates me.

They need more exposure on American TV, but hey, I don't run a network.

[thewoo]

I watch as much of it as I can actually. Euros seem to have a refined hardness that fascinates me.

They need more exposure on American TV, but hey, I don't run a network.

I agree. As an american I only find out about european fighters like 30 fights into their career unless they are promoted by Frank ******.

Just take a look at HBO's schedule. Of the 34 fights they have shown this year only 5 featured a european.

VK x 2
JC
Kessler
Urkal (who was really just there to serve as a punching bag for Cotto)

[kg0208]

I agree. As an american I only find out about european fighters like 30 fights into their career unless they are promoted by Frank ******.

Just take a look at HBO's schedule. Of the 34 fights they have shown this year only 5 featured a european.

VK x 2
JC
Kessler
Urkal (who was really just there to serve as a punching bag for Cotto)

Of course that hardness I was referring too was displayed by Urkal. He knew he couldn't win, but he was there to fight regardless. No mailing it in.

Each section of the world seems to bring different qualities to the ring, both good and bad. I am fascinated by the hardness of Euros, the toughness of Mexicans, the brashness of Americans, the relentlessness of the Filipinos etc.

[Shane]

Euro boxing sucks as a whole they should stick to Soccer. I would rather watch MMA rather than euro bums go at it. there are some exceptions though Like Ricky Hatton NOW theres a fighter that comes to fight everytime.

[unitas]

with the exception of DD how many americans on esb watch a lot of european boxing to know one way or the other ?

i do!

and its not comparable. european boxing is heavily influenced by eastern euro amateur style.........hands up, tight guard.

lots of blocking of punches, not so much headmovement.

nearly no infighting.

that may be effective, but its also somewhat boring to watch.

the americans/latins fight employ much less of a tight guard. they slip punches, look to counter. and practice alot of infighting. that results in exciting fights.

americans are under alot more pressure to entertain. it doesent matter how good you are, if you are boring, you will still get bad press........like say whitaker did. or roy jones.

a boring fighter like ottke would have never sold a single ticket in the states.
but in germany he was a star.

or could you imagine ottke fighting in mexico???
he very well would have gotten lynched....

[Mrvooh]

I watch as much of it as I can actually. Euros seem to have a refined hardness that fascinates me.

They need more exposure on American TV, but hey, I don't run a network. Nicely put :good

[Taffyy]

Euro boxing sucks as a whole they should stick to Soccer. I would rather watch MMA rather than euro bums go at it. there are some exceptions though Like Ricky Hatton NOW theres a fighter that comes to fight everytime.
Another reason why the rest of the world hates fucking america.......twat......:patsch

[Taffyy]

& its football you wanker....!!!!

[djb2009]

Euro boxing sucks as a whole they should stick to Soccer. I would rather watch MMA rather than euro bums go at it. there are some exceptions though Like Ricky Hatton NOW theres a fighter that comes to fight everytime.

Eat a dick!!

[MrStayman]

Whoops, this thread has quickly turned into flame bait! :fire:fire

Oh well, I guess I'll continue what I started!

In addition to the previously mentioned fact that European boxing is heavily influenced by amateur boxing, Europeans also have more protected fighters (this is FINALLY starting to change). Protected fighters = lopsided and boring fights.

Honestly, I just wanted to get a laugh from the :nuts who think that there are more exciting European fights than there are exciting American fights.

[MrStayman]

Ok, I got it out of my system. I apologize for this flame bait thread.

:smoke

[LeedsLad]

Definetly Mexicans! There's as many exciting Europeans as their is Americans, just most people from the US dont think there is boxing outside the US:lol:

[Marnoff]

To make this statement, you would have to have equal knowledge of both, which it doesn't sound like you do.

As for Mexican fighters, I always tell my roommate that any time two Mexicans are fighting, there are two certainties.

1. There will be at least one knockdown.
2. He will get up at least from the first one, even if he winds up getting knocked out from subsequent knockdowns.

[MrStayman]

Definetly Mexicans! There's as many exciting Europeans as their is Americans, just most people from the US dont think there is boxing outside the US:lol:
You're right, there is no boxing outside of the US. Potential boxers in Europe are too busy "injuring" themselves after scheduling bouts and wrestling in the ring!

[MrStayman]

To make this statement, you would have to have equal knowledge of both, which it doesn't sound like you do.

You're right. It's hard to gain knowledge of European boxing when you are fast asleep after the first round! :good

[LeedsLad]

You're right, there is no boxing outside of the US. Potential boxers are too busy "injuring" themselves after scheduling bouts and wrestling in the ring!
And US fighters are just too fat to make the weight (Vargas):smoke

[rydersonthestorm]

David haye is a very exciting fighter.

[MrStayman]

David haye is a very exciting fighter.
Agreed, and there are a few others. I'm not saying that all European fighters are boring. :happy:happy

I'm new to boxing, but from all the footage I buy, the American boxing, on average, is far more exciting than Euro boxing!

[cross_trainer]

& its football you wanker....!!!!

Does anyone else find this statement rather ironic?

[iceman]

Does anyone else find this statement rather ironic?

:yep :yep :yep :yep

[sean]

i know old time posters like diamonddave and marting read the euro section but they are few and far between.

a large part of it i beleive is ignorant is bliss.

heavys like boystov/chagaev/povetkin have stay in the pocket styles with power who i guarantee if more americans watched they would like and follow.

they are good pressure/box fighters with good abilty and power and better than any american prospects/title holder at the moment to watch.

you have haye/huck 2 power punching aggressive fighters at cruiserweight who are good to watch.

woods been a revalation for the last few years.

power punchers like froch/active like bute/ etc etc .

abraham is a good box/puncher to watch

dzindurek probably the best of the lot at 154 given the chance

etc etc down to feather.

for every stand up textbook boxer there is a puncher/pressure fighter champ or top 5.

if you do not like east european and european boxing in general makes me wonder why you joined the biggest east european orientated boxing forum on the net EASTsideboxing, albeit therer is now a lot more americans here than there used to be in the beginning of eastside.

[tays001]

with the exception of DD how many americans on esb watch a lot of european boxing to know one way or the other ?


:good hit on the point i dnt get to watch a bunch of euro's

[MrStayman]

i know old time posters like diamonddave and marting read the euro section but they are few and far between.

a large part of it i beleive is ignorant is bliss.

heavys like boystov/chagaev/povetkin have stay in the pocket styles with power who i guarantee if more americans watched they would like and follow.

they are good pressure/box fighters with good abilty and power and better than any american prospects/title holder at the moment to watch.

you have haye/huck 2 power punching aggressive fighters at cruiserweight who are good to watch.

woods been a revalation for the last few years.

power punchers like froch/active like bute/ etc etc .

abraham is a good box/puncher to watch

dzindurek probably the best of the lot at 154 given the chance

etc etc down to feather.

for every stand up textbook boxer there is a puncher/pressure fighter champ or top 5.

if you do not like east european and european boxing in general makes me wonder why you joined the biggest east european orientated boxing forum on the net EASTsideboxing, albeit therer is now a lot more americans here than there used to be in the beginning of eastside.

I like Euro boxing. I'm just trolling for fun. :verysad:verysad

[PowerPuncher]

Prince Naseem Hamed & Nigel Benn

[Taffyy]

:yep :yep :yep :yep
A plastic paddy laughing at a smart arse yank...........:patsch ....Thats funny...........What are you ice.......American or Irish , or one of them mixed up pricks who think their irish but in fact actually only know someone who drank a guiness once.......:yep .............. Im part Irish but consider myself welsh...........If need any help understanding that quote in your avatar panel , let me know & I'll translate it for you........slan leat or da boch...........from a real celt..:yep :yep :yep :yep

[Shane]

A plastic paddy laughing at a smart arse yank...........:patsch ....Thats funny...........What are you ice.......American or Irish , or one of them mixed up pricks who think their irish but in fact actually only know someone who drank a guiness once.......:yep .............. Im part Irish but consider myself welsh...........If need any help understanding that quote in your avatar panel , let me know & I'll translate it for you........slan leat or da boch...........from a real celt..:yep :yep :yep :yep

First of all Guiness taste Horrible i would rather drink motor oil...second of all i could care less what you think of me or america Eurosnob...

[box03]

I will admit Euros are normally boring to watch fight for the most part, I think thats part of the reason the heavywieght division has suffered so much in the last 5 years. Most Euro heavywieghts rather back out of fights then step in the ring and take of business, I have lost alot of respect for fighters like Vitali and Maskaev who do what ever they can not to fight certain fighters. As Larry Merchant once said in a HBO telecast, "Joe Louis where our you I cant take much more of these Heavywieghts".

[sean]

I will admit Euros are normally boring to watch fight for the most part, I think thats part of the reason the heavywieght division has suffered so much in the last 5 years. Most Euro heavywieghts rather back out of fights then step in the ring and take of business, I have lost alot of respect for fighters like Vitali and Maskaev who do what ever they can not to fight certain fighters. As Larry Merchant once said in a HBO telecast, "Joe Louis where our you I cant take much more of these Heavywieghts".




I will admit americans are normally boring to watch fight for the most part, I think thats part of the reason the heavywieght division has suffered so much in the last 5 years. Most american heavywieghts rather go to macdonald`s then step in the ring and take of business, I have lost alot of respect for fighters like toney and rahman who do what ever they can not to avoid a fast food outlet . As Larry Merchant once said in a HBO telecast, "Joe Louis where our you I cant take much more of these Heavywieghts".[/quote]


if it was not for oversea`s fighters , it would be holyfield v ruiz 14 in a few weeks time.

[Rollo]

I will admit Euros are normally boring to watch fight for the most part, I think thats part of the reason the heavywieght division has suffered so much in the last 5 years. Most Euro heavywieghts rather back out of fights then step in the ring and take of business, I have lost alot of respect for fighters like Vitali and Maskaev who do what ever they can not to fight certain fighters. As Larry Merchant once said in a HBO telecast, "Joe Louis where our you I cant take much more of these Heavywieghts".

If eastern/Euro-heavies are that boring, then bring up some americans who can beat them.

[ChrisPontius]

First of all Guiness taste Horrible i would rather drink motor oil...second of all i could care less what you think of me or america Eurosnob...

Nice avatar.. :lol:



This thread is rather pointless, though.

There are exciting American/Mexican fighters, Tyson, Chavez, etc, and there are boring ones (Anyone made it to the end of Byrd/Williamson?).
For European figthers it's all the same. Lewis/Vitali was a great, exciting fight, as was Liakhovic/Brewster, but for instance Valuev fights are rather boring. It all evens out.

[box03]

I will admit americans are normally boring to watch fight for the most part, I think thats part of the reason the heavywieght division has suffered so much in the last 5 years. Most american heavywieghts rather go to macdonald`s then step in the ring and take of business, I have lost alot of respect for fighters like toney and rahman who do what ever they can not to avoid a fast food outlet . As Larry Merchant once said in a HBO telecast, "Joe Louis where our you I cant take much more of these Heavywieghts".


if it was not for oversea`s fighters , it would be holyfield v ruiz 14 in a few weeks time.[/quote] Well Lamon Brewster was very exciting when he was champ from April 04 to April 06, Bryd was very exciting when he fought both Mccline and Golota. My proof is that the Heavywieght division is all 4 title holders are Euro Iggy,Wlad,Maskaev, and Chageav. The only active fighter in the heavywieght division that attracts PPV fights is a 44 year old Holyfield, I do blame the US fighters for not bringing up better fighters, but it doesnt help when 2 of the 4 champs back out of fights that would help the heavywieght division gain a little popularity not to mention that Vitali Bitchko who has backed out countless amount of times instead of getting in the ring and fighting.

[cross_trainer]

A plastic paddy laughing at a smart arse yank...........:patsch

You're a veritable dictionary of English slang. :yikes

slan leat or da boch...........from a real celt..:yep :yep :yep :yep

Excellent! I've been looking for one for years!

Could you teach me how to apply woad while we sing Druidic songs over the campfire?

[Taffyy]

First of all Guiness taste Horrible i would rather drink motor oil...second of all i could care less what you think of me or america Eurosnob...
It was aimed at iceman retard..........:patsch

[sean]

box03 wrote
Well Lamon Brewster was very exciting when he was champ from April 04 to April 06, Bryd was very exciting when he fought both Mccline and Golota. My proof is that the Heavywieght division is all 4 title holders are Euro Iggy,Wlad,Maskaev, and Chageav. The only active fighter in the heavywieght division that attracts PPV fights is a 44 year old Holyfield, I do blame the US fighters for not bringing up better fighters, but it doesnt help when 2 of the 4 champs back out of fights that would help the heavywieght division gain a little popularity not to mention that Vitali Bitchko who has backed out countless amount of times instead of getting in the ring and fighting.




i have no idea of what tv you can get or if you are a boxing dealer and buy dvds to watch fights overseas .

but i thought brewster v krasniqi was a very good fight.

i thought chagaev v valuev was a good fight

maskaev v sam was a good fight

PPV numbers in america is an an american problem, how is that a reflection on european boxers ??

for instance all the above fights went out on free to air tv in europe and were watched by millions and millions .

american tv and audience are very insular must be the american tv execs view which is why they never showed these fights stateside.

the heavyweight division has never been so popular, its just from an american perspective at this moment it might not be , but there again america only makes up 2% of the population.

take a step outside america and you will see if having european champs is harming boxing.

IMO it is very good for the sport.

[Fedor Em]

The people who say that Euros don't give exciting fights havent seen Briggs vs Admaek I and II.

[BoppaZoo]

Here the top USA and well known Americans getting around today

Hopkins
Taylor
Pavlik
PBF
Spinks
Dawson
Winky
Mosley
Jones
Tarver
Lacy
etc

Now you name the international guys Euro,Aussie,Asian South American of late that have given you to many great fights to name.
If i made of list of all the exciting Internationals the list would be too big.

[valdez]

How about we just say Mexicans are the most entertaining.. lol.

[kg0208]

Here the top USA and well known Americans getting around today

Hopkins
Taylor
Pavlik
PBF
Spinks
Dawson
Winky
Mosley
Jones
Tarver
Lacy
etc

Now you name the international guys Euro,Aussie,Asian South American of late that have given you to many great fights to name.
If i made of list of all the exciting Internationals the list would be too big.

Yes well, International list would contain fighters from many countries, as opposed to one.

Don't slant it one way or the opther like the other posters here looking to incite something. There are great fighters from all over the world.

[SouthLondonsFinest]

moore macklin you dont get more entertainingt han that

[Cruiser1]

I think the boxing product in Europe is actually pretty good. You got hard-nosed guys like Woods and Mormeck. You got the cream of the crop like Calzaghe and Kessler. Marco Huck is pretty good as is the 100-year talent Braehmer hehe. The Eastern European fighters have practically taken over the heavyweight division.

I will say this though. Alot of European fight fans talk about how America is this and America is that and they say that their fighters don't need America yet I've seen fighters on numerous occasions talk about "going to America" or "fighting the best American opponents." Hell, Joe Calzaghe makes no secret of how proud he is of his undefeated record against American fighters.

You got fans bashing the United States all the time and you got fighters trying to seek its public approval. It's a little contradictory.

[Smazz20]

moore macklin you dont get more entertainingt han that


:yep Fucking sure. Anyone who watches this fight and calls it boring deserves to be bitch slapped to death.

Europe has produced plenty of exciting fighters and plenty of exciting fights. Whether Americans bother to watch them is entirely their decision.

[sean]

I think the boxing product in Europe is actually pretty good. You got hard-nosed guys like Woods and Mormeck. You got the cream of the crop like Calzaghe and Kessler. Marco Huck is pretty good as is the 100-year talent Braehmer hehe. The Eastern European fighters have practically taken over the heavyweight division.

I will say this though. Alot of European fight fans talk about how America is this and America is that and they say that their fighters don't need America yet I've seen fighters on numerous occasions talk about "going to America" or "fighting the best American opponents." Hell, Joe Calzaghe makes no secret of how proud he is of his undefeated record against American fighters.

You got fans bashing the United States all the time and you got fighters trying to seek its public approval. It's a little contradictory.

what you are saying is true , its just that europeans have always followed american and european boxing , whereas a large percentage of american fight fans follow american boxing only.

for example before satteliite i used to have to go to cinema`s to watch closed circut tv shows of live american boxing bills at 4am in the morning at gants hill odeon and there would be a 1000 others there with me and not a single european was involved on the bill.

we love boxing, not just european boxing.

[Cruiser1]

what you are saying is true , its just that europeans have always followed american and european boxing , whereas a large percentage of american fight fans follow american boxing only.

for example before satteliite i used to have to go to cinema`s to watch closed circut tv shows of live american boxing bills at 4am in the morning at gants hill odeon and there would be a 1000 others there with me and not a single european was involved on the bill.

we love boxing, not just european boxing.

Alot of American fans (and Americans in general) have a very myopic view when it comes to boxing and the quality of it outside the country so I can understand the resentment people have towards us. But it's like anything else in life. It's foolish to judge a whole group of people by the actions/viewpoints of a few.

I'm glad that HBO recognized the significance of Calzaghe/Kessler. It would have been a crime had they decided not to televise it.

[PacDbest]

Boricuas and mexicans are the most entertaining fights.

Not anymore. Filipino Fighters already took over.

[PH|LLA]

European/Mexican fights are more entertaining than American fights

[etong_08]

King Arthur, Lancelot, and James Bond can put up entertaining fights... ;)

[David UK]

box03 wrote







PPV numbers in america is an an american problem, how is that a reflection on european boxers ??

for instance all the above fights went out on free to air tv in europe and were watched by millions and millions .

american tv and audience are very insular must be the american tv execs view which is why they never showed these fights stateside.



Moore v Macklin didn't actually happen in America because they didn't see it. The very worst part of American society is their insularity, which is a shame

[Big Ears]

Moore v Macklin didn't actually happen in America because they didn't see it. The very worst part of American society is their insularity, which is a shame

I feel sorry for those across the Atlantic(or anywhere else) who didn't get to see Macklin v Moore . The best Light-Middleweight fight I can remember........and I don't just mean of recent times either .

[joeboxer]

There are more entertaining American/Mexican fights than there are entertaining European fights. It's not even close.sometimes.

[cross_trainer]

I think the boxing product in Europe is actually pretty good. You got hard-nosed guys like Woods and Mormeck. You got the cream of the crop like Calzaghe and Kessler. Marco Huck is pretty good as is the 100-year talent Braehmer hehe. The Eastern European fighters have practically taken over the heavyweight division.

I will say this though. Alot of European fight fans talk about how America is this and America is that and they say that their fighters don't need America yet I've seen fighters on numerous occasions talk about "going to America" or "fighting the best American opponents." Hell, Joe Calzaghe makes no secret of how proud he is of his undefeated record against American fighters.

You got fans bashing the United States all the time and you got fighters trying to seek its public approval. It's a little contradictory.

I would rank Mormeck above Calzaghe and Kessler, considering that he is a lineal/undisputed champion who just defeated the clear #2 guy who had previously defeated him in his division.