foreman v liston

[ross davis]

both at their peak.who wins?

[Luigi1985]

Foreman for sure. He had more power, better chin, was more proven at the world level, etc., the only advantage I give Liston is his pretty good jab, but that wouldn´t be enough. I say Foreman by midround TKO...

[Grebfan9]

Tough one to call. Foreman seemed to "load" up more on his punches
whereas Liston boxed and waited for openings more.

I think that the 1959-1960 version of Sonny Liston would be able
to survive the early rounds and then come on to stop Foreman
in the later rounds. I was impressed with Liston's ability to shake
off Cleveland Williams' power punches and then KO Williams.


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[Luigi1985]

Tough one to call. Foreman seemed to "load" up more on his punches
whereas Liston boxed and waited for openings more.

I think that the 1959-1960 version of Sonny Liston would be able
to survive the early rounds and then come on to stop Foreman
in the later rounds. I was impressed with Liston's ability to shake
off Cleveland Williams' power punches and then KO Williams.


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But you can´t compare the totally overrated Williams with a proven powerpuncher like Foreman...

[Muchmoore]

I would favor Liston here. He is the better technical fighter and has the better jab. I see it being an all out slugfest but Liston's jab and superior stamina comes into play after 4-5 rounds and once he stops Foreman late. The first 4-5 rounds would be all out with both being seriously hurt.

[Blacc Jesus]

Foreman in 6.

[brooklyn1550]

I like Sonny Liston in the 8th

[Grebfan9]

Hi Luigi,

I understand your argument about Williams, but I'm mainly talking
about how Liston withstood Williams' attack. Liston had a tight
defense in those fights and set up his punches well. Also,
Liston beat a fighter by the name of Mike DeJohn.

DeJohn was a very good puncher too, yet Sonny took him
apart. A prime Sonny did well against punchers. That jab
was very effective against guys that moved forward.

BTW, is Francesco Pianeta fighting again soon?
I have been following his career.

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But you can´t compare the totally overrated Williams with a proven powerpuncher like Foreman...

[DocDevil]

Foreman had his hands full with Lyle.Same kind of fight,but Foreman losing this one.

[Luigi1985]

Liston for sure.


You have no idea what you´re talking about... :lol:

[Luigi1985]

Hi Luigi,

I understand your argument about Williams, but I'm mainly talking
about how Liston withstood Williams' attack. Liston had a tight
defense in those fights and set up his punches well. Also,
Liston beat a fighter by the name of Mike DeJohn.

DeJohn was a very good puncher too, yet Sonny took him
apart. A prime Sonny did well against punchers. That jab
was very effective against guys that moved forward.

BTW, is Francesco Pianeta fighting again soon?
I have been following his career.

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Yeah, good arguments, DeJohn and Williams were good punchers, but a Foreman is one or 2 leagues above power-wise. But that´s all speculation, for me Foreman would be clearly the favourite...

Pianeta, well, I´m a bit disappointing about him, he had in his last fights some close fights, IMO he´s mentally still a bit weak, he has the power, chin, stamina, managment, etc. to make some noise, but with that attitude... I don´t know, his next fight isn´t planned yet... did you see him fight yet?

[Grebfan9]

Hi Luigi,

No I have not seen Pianeta fight yet. Maybe he will start to really
fight tougher once he gains experience and has some more wins
under his belt.

What part of Italy are you from? Are the Italian women as
beautiful as everybody says. I am of Italian extraction, though
I have not visited Italy yet. My wife visited Italy when she was
a child. She says that Italy is so beautiful and full of history.

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Yeah, good arguments, DeJohn and Williams were good punchers, but a Foreman is one or 2 leagues above power-wise. But that´s all speculation, for me Foreman would be clearly the favourite...

Pianeta, well, I´m a bit disappointing about him, he had in his last fights some close fights, IMO he´s mentally still a bit weak, he has the power, chin, stamina, managment, etc. to make some noise, but with that attitude... I don´t know, his next fight isn´t planned yet... did you see him fight yet?

[cuchulain]

Foreman.

Too much power.

[Luigi1985]

Hi Luigi,

No I have not seen Pianeta fight yet. Maybe he will start to really
fight tougher once he gains experience and has some more wins
under his belt.

What part of Italy are you from? Are the Italian women as
beautiful as everybody says. I am of Italian extraction, though
I have not visited Italy yet. My wife visited Italy when she was
a child. She says that Italy is so beautiful and full of history.

Grebfan9
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I have seen Pianeta yet, he´s not the big deal IMO, but it could be enough for the today pretty limited HW division! :lol:

I´m from Puglia (a city named Foggia), that´s in Southern Italy. Where is your family from? For me personally, the Italian women are very pretty in general, but you know, everywhere are beatiful girls... ;-)

[radianttwilight]

Depends, partly on which Foreman we're talking about.

Either Foreman KO in 1-4 or Liston UD/TKO/KO in 5-12.

Liston had a good chin and an amazing jab, and 70s Foreman knew nothing as than the bum rush. That jab, Liston's defence, and Liston's chin would most likely take him out of the early rounds, and he has the power and technique to start capitalizing once Big George starts to fade (which would be early).

Always the chance for Foreman KO, but it peaks after about round 3.

[DocDevil]

Let me see Ali fought them both and said Foreman was faster,stronger,a harder puncher and was better on his feet.Based on this Foreman would of knocked out Liston in a few rounds.And for those of you who will say Foreman said Liston backed him up with his jab and a bunch of other nonsense....we all know Foreman will say anything he can now days to seem like a nice person.

Don't know if that is the way to analyze this fight.Ali was young, quick and terrific condition and fleet of foot when he fought Liston,who was on the down hill slide.Foreman was young and powerful when he fought an older, slower, Ali who laid on the ropes and took shots from Foreman for seven rounds.

[werety]

Liston is all wrong for Foreman. I don't think this would be a very tough fight for Liston at all as he was a solid boxer who's jab would be able to dominate Foreman's come forward style. I think a more interesting matchup would be Liston Louis personally. How do you guys see that one going?

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Liston (as explained in the above link), by late TKO. :good

[Grebfan9]

Hi Luigi,

My family originated from the Southern regions, Naples and Calabria.

All of the oldtimers have passed on, so it is very difficult to find out
about my family's origins. I will eventually visit Italy and hope to
see much of the country. Sicily, Milan, Sardinia, Florence!!!

My wife's ancestors are from the Island of Iscea (I koow I am
not spelling that right). The island that her family came from is
known as a very beautiful place.

My wife told me that the Italian food in Italy is so much better
than the Italian food here in the USA.

BTW, Are there any other Italian heavyweights coming along?

Grebfan9
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I have seen Pianeta yet, he´s not the big deal IMO, but it could be enough for the today pretty limited HW division! :lol:

I´m from Puglia (a city named Foggia), that´s in Southern Italy. Where is your family from? For me personally, the Italian women are very pretty in general, but you know, everywhere are beatiful girls... ;-)

[Luigi1985]

Hi Luigi,

My family originated from the Southern regions, Naples and Calabria.

All of the oldtimers have passed on, so it is very difficult to find out
about my family's origins. I will eventually visit Italy and hope to
see much of the country. Sicily, Milan, Sardinia, Florence!!!

My wife's ancestors are from the Island of Iscea (I koow I am
not spelling that right). The island that her family came from is
known as a very beautiful place.

My wife told me that the Italian food in Italy is so much better
than the Italian food here in the USA.

BTW, Are there any other Italian heavyweights coming along?

Grebfan9
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Aha, very interesting! :good
Mhmm, well, Roberto Cammarelle, a very good amateur, turns perhaps pro after China 2008, he´s in the same league as Povetkin, otherwise there aren´t that many Italian HW prospects outthere...