View Full Version : Is Mundine as thick as a brick?
The Man 247
06-26-2007, 03:23 AM
Im just not seeing the logic for him fighting bums. Even though a lot of people say its for money like it really is theres no logic. Sure he is safe of another loss and his record will improve. But if he takes the big fights and beats Kessler or Calzaghe, his fighting purse would be that much more he would be making double if not a lot more than what he is making for every fight now.
So it goes like this
vs taxi driver = 500 000
but with a win against kessler
even fighting the cab driver could get him in a lot more than that.
Theres just no logic to team mundines thinking. Sure hes fighting for safety with his record, and sure another loss would bring his ppv buying and profit down. But such a win over kessler would make him go big in the money terms.
He should be taking a leaf out of oscars book.
But to me team mundine is financially dumb, anyone agree?
And in the process of short changing themselves financially, they are not making the boxing public happy, as they are not seeing the fights they want to see. So its a negative double whammy.
I think its really the opposite. He has it in the back of his mind that he probably cant beat the top tier at 168, so he can maximise his earnings by fighting guys below that. Nievas is obviously just a keep busy type affair, but even after that hes not going to be looking at a Calzaghe/Kessler or probably even Bute/Froch/Inkin. He's in the game to make cash, and I think thats what hes going to do.
Dr Gonzo
06-26-2007, 04:22 AM
even vitali tsypko would be a huge step up
WhataRock
06-26-2007, 04:29 AM
No.. there is logic
Most of the people who watch Mundine have no idea about boxing or how to gauge the calibre of his opposition.
So why fight a semi-dangerous opponant that no one knows when you can fight a can and the same amount of people will watch.
Mundine has no respect for his fans, he wants to fight the best because he is actually pretty rich now and he wants to try and beat the best so as he can say "I told you so" to everyone.
But he is neither good enough or in a position to demand those fights, so instead of finding some middle ground, he will go on fighting bums for good coin, instead of fighting good fighter for the same.
I have said in another thread, the last time he fought a half decent contender (Siaca), he lost. Nasser and Choc aint risking his career like that again.
ashley
06-26-2007, 04:36 AM
No.. there is logic
Most of the people who watch Mundine have no idea about boxing or how to gauge the calibre of his opposition.
So why fight a semi-dangerous opponant that no one knows when you can fight a can and the same amount of people will watch.
Mundine has no respect for his fans, he wants to fight the best because he is actually pretty rich now and he wants to try and beat the best so as he can say "I told you so" to everyone.
But he is neither good enough or in a position to demand those fights, so instead of finding some middle ground, he will go on fighting bums for good coin, instead of fighting good fighter for the same.
I have said in another thread, the last time he fought a half decent contender (Siaca), he lost. Nasser and Choc aint risking his career like that again.
Yep I thnik you are right....mundine will fight guys around top 15 or Joe or Kess...he wont risk fighting guys rated 4 to 14. It sux for fight fans but he keeps him rich.
Dr Gonzo
06-26-2007, 04:43 AM
Yep I thnik you are right....mundine will fight guys around top 15 or Joe or Kess...he wont risk fighting guys rated 4 to 14. It sux for fight fans but he keeps him rich.
yeah in reality the REAL boxing fans like us get left in the cold to hope whilst the average joe pours millions in his pocket just because they have no idea who these bus drivers he fighs really are
EelsRule
06-26-2007, 05:53 AM
You guys sound like dimwits. Every boxer does what Mundine is doing.
Also, this Neivas guy is being under rated. He is huge, and he knocks his opponents out. Mundine doesnt like these guys generally. He is probably as worthy of a title shot as Bika was a year ago or Green was before he fought Beyer. The only guy we know about that he has fought is the guy Mundine finished last year. He wasnt to bad as an opponent and this guy draw with him. He has KO'd just about everyone else.
Its going to be interesting to see how Mundine copes with the size.
oztriker
06-26-2007, 06:59 AM
No.. there is logic
Most of the people who watch Mundine have no idea about boxing or how to gauge the calibre of his opposition.
So why fight a semi-dangerous opponant that no one knows when you can fight a can and the same amount of people will watch.
Mundine has no respect for his fans, he wants to fight the best because he is actually pretty rich now and he wants to try and beat the best so as he can say "I told you so" to everyone.
But he is neither good enough or in a position to demand those fights, so instead of finding some middle ground, he will go on fighting bums for good coin, instead of fighting good fighter for the same.
I have said in another thread, the last time he fought a half decent contender (Siaca), he lost. Nasser and Choc aint risking his career like that again.
:good I couldn't agree more.
Top post. :deal
deram
06-26-2007, 07:12 AM
I think its really the opposite. He has it in the back of his mind that he probably cant beat the top tier at 168, so he can maximise his earnings by fighting guys below that. Nievas is obviously just a keep busy type affair, but even after that hes not going to be looking at a Calzaghe/Kessler or probably even Bute/Froch/Inkin. He's in the game to make cash, and I think thats what hes going to do.
Yes, I think that is the reason. Adn no he may not beat Calzaghe/Kessler, but he can imo. beat most of the rest - so why not take them on and make a carreer, money etc?
Instead of going from Kessler to crap and back. He should fight some good top 25-30 fighters for in between fights.
boxfan99
06-26-2007, 07:27 AM
Im just not seeing the logic for him fighting bums. Even though a lot of people say its for money like it really is theres no logic. Sure he is safe of another loss and his record will improve. But if he takes the big fights and beats Kessler or Calzaghe, his fighting purse would be that much more he would be making double if not a lot more than what he is making for every fight now.
So it goes like this
vs taxi driver = 500 000
but with a win against kessler
even fighting the cab driver could get him in a lot more than that.
Theres just no logic to team mundines thinking. Sure hes fighting for safety with his record, and sure another loss would bring his ppv buying and profit down. But such a win over kessler would make him go big in the money terms.
He should be taking a leaf out of oscars book.
But to me team mundine is financially dumb, anyone agree?
And in the process of short changing themselves financially, they are not making the boxing public happy, as they are not seeing the fights they want to see. So its a negative double whammy.
I think they are smart actually in their way of milking the gullible fans of money by fighting nobodies.
As you mentioned another loss would mean less money, and perhaps Mundine doesn't really believe that he can hang with Calzaghe and Kessler no matter what he tells his fans. Have you ever thought about that?
oztriker
06-26-2007, 07:32 AM
I think they are smart actually in their way of milking the gullible fans of money by fighting nobodies.
As you mentioned another loss would mean less money, and perhaps Mundine doesn't really believe that he can hang with Calzaghe and Kessler no matter what he tells his fans. Have you ever thought about that? :good
I agree.......But Mundine is certainly good enough to beat most of the S/Middleweights going around.........and is still not prepared to take the risk.
You guys sound like dimwits. Every boxer does what Mundine is doing.
Also, this Neivas guy is being under rated. He is huge, and he knocks his opponents out. Mundine doesnt like these guys generally. He is probably as worthy of a title shot as Bika was a year ago or Green was before he fought Beyer. The only guy we know about that he has fought is the guy Mundine finished last year. He wasnt to bad as an opponent and this guy draw with him. He has KO'd just about everyone else.
Its going to be interesting to see how Mundine copes with the size.
:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch
There you have it. ESB's quote of the week. Enjoy
jahobe
06-26-2007, 03:59 PM
No.. there is logic
Most of the people who watch Mundine have no idea about boxing or how to gauge the calibre of his opposition.
So why fight a semi-dangerous opponant that no one knows when you can fight a can and the same amount of people will watch.
Mundine has no respect for his fans, he wants to fight the best because he is actually pretty rich now and he wants to try and beat the best so as he can say "I told you so" to everyone.
But he is neither good enough or in a position to demand those fights, so instead of finding some middle ground, he will go on fighting bums for good coin, instead of fighting good fighter for the same.
I have said in another thread, the last time he fought a half decent contender (Siaca), he lost. Nasser and Choc aint risking his career like that again.
he fought like shit against siaca and is 3 times the fighter he was then ,
yeh he must be the only guy fighting semi dangerous opponents...
how many semi dangerous opponents and reality tv stars has calzaghe slapped, he has fought so many safe fights throughout his career and that is why many do not regard him as one of the best of all time and with his record he should be regarded as one of the best of all time, but he has fought so many donkeys people are still waiting for him to pull off a few more big fights like the lacy one before he gets his full recognition,
Mundine has his big fights to come, and you are kidding when u say he is not good enough after kessler and calzaghe he is the next SMW in line and your prob right he is not in a position to get them running to him but he is without a doubt good enough
oztriker
06-26-2007, 04:26 PM
he fought like shit against siaca and is 3 times the fighter he was then ,
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
You best check your fingers again........ You keep pulling shit out of your arse. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
pecks
06-26-2007, 05:05 PM
If Mundine is as thick as a brick then why did he get KO'd by Ottke?
oztriker
06-26-2007, 05:20 PM
and fights a hall of famer in a world title shot in his 11th pro fight, and is ahead on points after 11 rounds before getting ko'd?
Ahem.......He was behind on the scorecards......but nice try "Dumbarse". :patsch
pecks
06-26-2007, 05:56 PM
Ahem.......He was behind on the scorecards......but nice try "Dumbarse". :patschYou're right.
Many people seem to think otherwise, even Kostya Tszyu said he was ahead during his commentary stint when Mundine was fighting Green, and to all out surprise :roll: Barry Michaels backed Kostya's comments up by saying "Yep, you're right"
But he was behind, I can't find the card anywhere, but he was behind. Even Barry Michaels knew he was behind. Re-watch the 10th round (I'm sure Oz will put this round on repeat:p) and listen to Barry's commentary. he's talking like the fights already over, saying how how Mundine has surprised everyone by still being here and being competetive. The loser talk had already starter.
jahobe
06-26-2007, 06:21 PM
You're right.
Many people seem to think otherwise, even Kostya Tszyu said he was ahead during his commentary stint when Mundine was fighting Green, and to all out surprise :roll: Barry Michaels backed Kostya's comments up by saying "Yep, you're right"
But he was behind, I can't find the card anywhere, but he was behind. Even Barry Michaels knew he was behind. Re-watch the 10th round (I'm sure Oz will put this round on repeat:p) and listen to Barry's commentary. he's talking like the fights already over, saying how how Mundine has surprised everyone by still being here and being competetive. The loser talk had already starter.
??? are u talking about the Green fight? he was behind in the Green fight? I must be mistaken because if you think that's the case you best check your elbows cos you are pulling shit way out your ass, even the mundine publicist oz would agree with that.
if u are talking about the green fight and changing the words of barry michaels in your head from "green is missing with 95% of his punches" and "green is copping so many right hands it's not funny" to "Mundine has suprised everyone by still being here and being competitive" suggesting he was losing, then i would say with out doubt you are either a bit blind and a bit def or you are just a fuckin idiot, your talking shit, the most incorrect, ridiculous comment i have ever heard, anyone who saw that fight could see that green got humiliated badly, i almost felt sorry for him, but the fact that he looked like the terminator before the fight acting like a fukin robot with his army gear helped me enjoy seeing him get picked to bits.
check the fight watch it a few times and get bak to me
but your not talking bout the green fight hey
pecks
06-26-2007, 06:32 PM
??? are u talking about the Green fight? he was behind in the Green fight? I must be mistaken because if you think that's the case you best check your elbows cos you are pulling shit way out your ass, even the mundine publicist oz would agree with that.
if u are talking about the green fight and changing the words of barry michaels in your head from "green is missing with 95% of his punches" and "green is copping so many right hands it's not funny" to "Mundine has suprised everyone by still being here and being competitive" suggesting he was losing, then i would say with out doubt you are either a bit blind and a bit def or you are just a fuckin idiot, your talking shit, the most incorrect, ridiculous comment i have ever heard, anyone who saw that fight could see that green got humiliated badly, i almost felt sorry for him, but the fact that he looked like the terminator before the fight acting like a fukin robot with his army gear helped me enjoy seeing him get picked to bits.
check the fight watch it a few times and get bak to me
but your not talking bout the green fight heyIf all the genetical engineer's in the world put all their efforts into the one projetc, they still couldn't create someone as big a dead shit as yourself.
jahobe
06-26-2007, 06:39 PM
If all the genetical engineer's in the world put all their efforts into the one projetc, they still couldn't create someone as big a dead shit as yourself.
oh i dunno man the "genetical engineer's" are pretty smart i rekon they could if they all worked on one "projetc" as u call it.
so it was a misunderstanding, when you were talking bout barry, kostya and green i got a bit excited
pecks
06-26-2007, 06:43 PM
so it was a misunderstanding, when you were talking bout barry, kostya and green i got a bit excitedHeh, thats ok. As long as you didn't bring out the lubricant. :D
jahobe
06-26-2007, 06:50 PM
Heh, thats ok. As long as you didn't bring out the lubricant. :D
no, but i was in such shock of the story i THOUGHT i was reading that it would have had to of come out at some point.
but i seem to recall mundine definately being ahead at the start of round 9 in the ottke fight but did it turn in ottke's favour in 9,10?
no, but i was in such shock of the story i THOUGHT i was reading that it would have had to of come out at some point.
but i seem to recall mundine definately being ahead at the start of round 9 in the ottke fight but did it turn in ottke's favour in 9,10?
is it just me or do alot of these new mundine fans act like retarded asian sounding people or very slow i just dont get it this isnt the artist formely know as JET is it ?
jahobe
06-26-2007, 07:15 PM
is it just me or do alot of these new mundine fans act like retarded asian sounding people or very slow i just dont get it this isnt the artist formely know as JET is it ?
i have been a fan from the first fight , so your not talkin bout me when u say "alot of these new mundine fans", and yeh it is just you, when u read the posts you have a retarted sounding asian voice in your head, that must suck ya tool box.
Dr Gonzo
06-26-2007, 07:33 PM
i have been a fan from the first fight , so your not talkin bout me when u say "alot of these new mundine fans", and yeh it is just you, when u read the posts you have a retarted sounding asian voice in your head, that must suck ya tool box.
i think he is refering to the fact that all your posts are one giant sentence which makes them hard to understand ar times
pecks
06-26-2007, 07:33 PM
Enough with the Asian bashing aye? :nono
I got a vigorous handy from a jap girl yesterday. I'm not really big on hand jobs, but she had her period and my plea about me not minding red bed sheets seemed to fall on deaf ears. :(
Dr Gonzo
06-26-2007, 07:59 PM
Enough with the Asian bashing aye? :nono
I got a vigorous handy from a jap girl yesterday. I'm not really big on hand jobs, but she had her period and my plea about me not minding red bed sheets seemed to fall on deaf ears. :(
LOL hahahahahahaha - that should be a candidiate for the forum hall of fame
gotta love the asians because they have small hands and make you feel huge :lol::lol::lol::lol:
jahobe
06-26-2007, 08:01 PM
Enough with the Asian bashing aye? :nono
I got a vigorous handy from a jap girl yesterday. I'm not really big on hand jobs, but she had her period and my plea about me not minding red bed sheets seemed to fall on deaf ears. :(
yeh... nice one pecks.. anyway go mundine.. and go pecks... handy.. jap girl...red bed sheets. you dickhead.. i mean go pecks
Enough with the Asian bashing aye? :nono
I got a vigorous handy from a jap girl yesterday. I'm not really big on hand jobs, but she had her period and my plea about me not minding red bed sheets seemed to fall on deaf ears. :(:-(:lol::lol:
IrnBruMan
06-26-2007, 11:32 PM
??? are u talking about the Green fight? he was behind in the Green fight? I must be mistaken because if you think that's the case you best check your elbows cos you are pulling shit way out your ass, even the mundine publicist oz would agree with that.
if u are talking about the green fight and changing the words of barry michaels in your head from "green is missing with 95% of his punches" and "green is copping so many right hands it's not funny" to "Mundine has suprised everyone by still being here and being competitive" suggesting he was losing, then i would say with out doubt you are either a bit blind and a bit def or you are just a fuckin idiot, your talking shit, the most incorrect, ridiculous comment i have ever heard, anyone who saw that fight could see that green got humiliated badly, i almost felt sorry for him, but the fact that he looked like the terminator before the fight acting like a fukin robot with his army gear helped me enjoy seeing him get picked to bits.
check the fight watch it a few times and get bak to me
but your not talking bout the green fight hey
He's talking about Tszyu and Michaels' discussing the Ottke fight during their commentary of the Green fight, then he refers to Barry Michael's commentary during round 10 of the Ottke fight, ya dumb fucken pelican
IrnBruMan
06-26-2007, 11:33 PM
If all the genetical engineer's in the world put all their efforts into the one projetc, they still couldn't create someone as big a dead shit as yourself.
:lol:
IrnBruMan
06-26-2007, 11:34 PM
i have been a fan from the first fight , so your not talkin bout me when u say "alot of these new mundine fans", and yeh it is just you, when u read the posts you have a retarted sounding asian voice in your head, that must suck ya tool box.
No, no, it's definitely you
WhataRock
06-27-2007, 12:20 AM
Enough with the Asian bashing aye? :nono
I got a vigorous handy from a jap girl yesterday. I'm not really big on hand jobs, but she had her period and my plea about me not minding red bed sheets seemed to fall on deaf ears. :(
Rags rooting sucks
You feel like you just stabbed someone when its all over.
Dr Gonzo
06-27-2007, 12:21 AM
:barf:barf:barfRags rooting sucks
You feel like you just stabbed someone when its all over.
Kegsy
06-27-2007, 12:24 AM
Rags rooting sucks
You feel like you just stabbed someone when its all over.
Yeah damn true.:yep
PorkChopExpress
06-27-2007, 12:28 AM
Rags rooting sucks
You feel like you just stabbed someone when its all over.
So does your comment.
:yikes
WhataRock
06-27-2007, 12:52 AM
Whats all the shock horror???
As if you guys havent sailed the red sea at least once.
PorkChopExpress
06-27-2007, 01:49 AM
Somebody stop him!!!
WhataRock
06-27-2007, 01:59 AM
Ill stop
Ive gone all RED now, from embarrassment.
PorkChopExpress
06-27-2007, 02:07 AM
Ill stop
Ive gone all RED now, from embarrassment.
:silly
oztriker
06-27-2007, 06:34 AM
enough cunts :barf
SHEEP DON'T HAVE PERIODS????:patsch
jahobe
06-27-2007, 07:13 AM
He's talking about Tszyu and Michaels' discussing the Ottke fight during their commentary of the Green fight, then he refers to Barry Michael's commentary during round 10 of the Ottke fight, ya dumb fucken pelican
yeh i realised that after i posted that and i corrected my self you dumb fucken albatross.... really what the fuck is with pelican.
boxfan99
06-27-2007, 07:17 AM
The Aussie forum is always good for a laugh or two.:lol:
oztriker
06-27-2007, 07:23 AM
yeh i realised that after i posted that and i corrected my self you dumb fucken albatross.... really what the fuck is with pelican.
You're not very good with this writing shit.......eh? :patsch
jahobe
06-27-2007, 07:35 AM
You're not very good with this writing shit.......eh? :patsch
i think i do just fine, i have noticed in a few of your posts you really come at people's spelling and grammar. that is good stuff you dork, anti mundine/leading mundine thread starter oz
oztriker
06-27-2007, 07:46 AM
i think i do just fine, i have noticed in a few of your posts you really come at people's spelling and grammar. that is good stuff you dork, anti mundine/leading mundine thread starter oz
I guess.:think ......all things are relative........
For a retard........you write quite well.
If you're not a retard..........pay more attention to your teacher when you get back to school.:D
jahobe
06-27-2007, 10:21 AM
I guess.:think ......all things are relative........
For a retard........you write quite well.
If you're not a retard..........pay more attention to your teacher when you get back to school.:D
fantastic oz, once again you are writing at a superior level, have a look around and see what other threads may have a spelling mistake, a slight error in grammar or a lower than average level of writing skill for your liking. your a fukn nerd mate. no offence
westside
06-27-2007, 10:26 AM
..ladies, PLEASE!
jahobe
06-27-2007, 11:16 AM
..ladies, PLEASE!
yeh i know, like bitches aren't we, but these are forums and exact spelling along with first class grammar are essential to some, and if you don't add a comma were it is required you will know about it
SHEEP DON'T HAVE PERIODS????:patsch :nono:hand
oztriker
06-27-2007, 02:45 PM
fantastic oz, once again you are writing at a superior level, have a look around and see what other threads may have a spelling mistake, a slight error in grammar or a lower than average level of writing skill for your liking. your a fukn nerd mate. no offence
I don't believe that I made a comment about your crap spelling or your lousy grammar.
More, I am concerned with your seeming inability to have a rational thought.
But, I can see where you are coming from. I have to learn to be less judgemental and more accepting of people like yourself that simply aren't all that bright.
Really, it's not even your fault........ It's most likely genetics If your mother hadn't mated with a moron, then at the very least, you may have had some sort of chance in life. :hi:
sallywinder
11-11-2011, 02:06 PM
old thread. but mundine has been ko'd by wood now also. and look at the bums hes fought....
fistsof steel
11-11-2011, 02:16 PM
Sally It's all pretty spot on,but also had he gone to the USA early in his career would have been back here with his tail between his legs pretty quickly,they have always known he would struggle against the BIG names and have manipulated his career to suit,would not have got away with it 30 years ago but the climate now in Boxing anyone can make there career look good.!!!!
Enough with the Asian bashing aye? :nono
I got a vigorous handy from a jap girl yesterday. I'm not really big on hand jobs, but she had her period and my plea about me not minding red bed sheets seemed to fall on deaf ears. :(
:yikes :lol::lol::lol::lol:
These old threads are hilarious, it's like Oz was always dishing out some sort of writing and spelling test to his fellow posters..... 2007 was an angry year for Oz.
stiflers mum
11-11-2011, 07:07 PM
These old threads are hilarious, it's like Oz was always dishing out some sort of writing and spelling test to his fellow posters..... 2007 was an angry year for Oz.
Man I wish the board hadn't crashed after the Mundine-Green fight. There was some memorable threads and tantrum throwing after that fight.:lol:
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