Hopkins vs Chad Dawson [Archive] - East Side Boxing Forum

kg0208

10-04-2007, 01:10 AM

Dawson IMO. Too fast and skillful enough not to fall into the "crafty veteran" traps that Hopkins sets. Plus, as I have said before, Hopkins workrate is horrid now. He cannot sustain a high work rate, and Dawson would exploit this. Dawson is also 6'3 and would most likely be the bigger man, so he won't be pushed around.

huki

10-04-2007, 01:22 AM

There's no way Hopkins would take this fight and he shouldn't. He's too past his prime to take on Dawson.. especially since the only way someone could beat Dawson without big knockout power is to throw a ton of punches consistently. I'm a huge Hopkins fan, but I think he should stay away from Dawson/Calzaghe/Kessler. He needs to retire on a high note at this point. If he wants one more match, he should just beat Roy Jones for personal satisfaction or try to add one more thing to his legacy by taking on the Ibragimov-Holyfield winner.

Longhhorn71

10-04-2007, 01:23 AM

If there is one fighter who can beat Hopkins convincingly, it's definitely chad dawson.

Thanks for your opinions my fellow posters......now if B-Hop will just take the challenge......maybe we can get another high quality bout next Spring.

Toopretty

10-04-2007, 01:24 AM

I disagree. Dawson most definitely does have KO power b/c he is so damned quick and he hits everybody he fights with a whole lot of punches and its nothing they can do about it. He has too much quickness. He would be the only guy to literally beat the crap out of hopkins or anybody else at 168-175. He uses that right hand like no other southpaw that I have seen. He is Roy Jones quick as well too.

gutto

10-04-2007, 06:07 AM

Dawson win the fight on points might just be a bit to fast for the crafty old man but the fight will never happen imo hopkins fights winner jc vc kessler and then calls it a day

PH|LLA

10-04-2007, 06:15 AM

Hopkins as usual is being counted out but i think that he could go in there, counter Dawson and rough him up on the inside, and win a UD

joe the great

10-04-2007, 06:37 AM

Dawson SD Hopkins. Hopkins yells rats at two of the judges.

bigeddie27

10-04-2007, 09:37 AM

dawson by brutal KO. He will retire hopkins. And its a shame because bernard should not be fighting anymore.

Lampley

10-04-2007, 11:16 AM

Dawson takes a wide decision from Hopkins, making him look very old and stiff. He has too much handspeed and is too big for Bernard, and his workrate would make this a relatively easy win.

I don't think he could really hurt Hopkins, but BHop doesn't punch hard enough to really hurt him, either.

King Dan

10-04-2007, 11:20 AM

dawson by brutal KO. He will retire hopkins. And its a shame because bernard should not be fighting anymore.

I'm the biggest Chad fan in the East Side Boxing community and NO WAY do I think anyone "brutally" KO's Hopkins, except maybe a heavyweight.

Lampley

10-04-2007, 11:28 AM

I'm the biggest Chad fan in the East Side Boxing community and NO WAY do I think anyone "brutally" KO's Hopkins, except maybe a heavyweight.

I agree. Hopkins would struggle big-time to be competitive against any good, in-shape HW, but I don't think they'd actually stop him. He's too crafty. The only one I'd predict to do it would be Wladimir, simply because the throws such straight punches, and with good speed.

Asterion

10-04-2007, 11:29 AM

Dawson wins.

However, I only see Hopkins signing to fight the Calzaghe-Kessler winner or the Jones-Tito winner.

Rumsfeld

10-04-2007, 11:35 AM

It is time for Hopkins to defend his "title".

If Dawson and Hopkins were to fight in March, 2008, who wins
and why?

Hopkins, because Dawson has never fought a seasoned vet as versatile as B-Hops.

Hopkins TKO10

:smoke

klion22

10-04-2007, 11:40 AM

Hopkins gets so much respect it's not even funny.

Officially, J. Taylor beat Hopkins twice but it seems like him being "robbed" in one or both fights has made people give Hopkins even more respect. It's amazing. He's 43 and a lot of people still pick him to beat some of the best in the game. It's a tribute to his incredible mastery of the sport.

Lampley

10-04-2007, 12:20 PM

However, I only see Hopkins signing to fight the Calzaghe-Kessler winner or the Jones-Tito winner.

I think so, too. Chances are, it will be Jones if he wins. I definitely don't want to see Calzaghe waste his time fighting Hopkins, when Dawson is lurking out there as a *real* elite opponent.

darkness

10-04-2007, 12:27 PM

Dawson is just way too big and Physical for Hopkins at this point. this would be bad for B hop.

Stezzie

10-04-2007, 01:05 PM

Dawson beats Hopkins and makes him look out of his league...Hopkins workrate is on the decline and each time he fights he gets a little slower...

klion22

10-04-2007, 01:07 PM

Dawson beats Hopkins and makes him look out of his league...Hopkins workrate is on the decline and each time he fights he gets a little slower...

His workrate has actually increased since he fought Taylor twice. I think it has to do with his new weight. It's more natural for him. He doesn't have to drain down. And he's been more on the aggressive against Tarver and Wright. He chased down Tarver a lot and in the Wright fight, he exchanged a lot more while on the inside.

Stezzie

10-04-2007, 01:10 PM

His workrate has actually increased since he fought Taylor twice. I think it has to do with his new weight. It's more natural for him. He doesn't have to drain down. And he's been more on the aggressive against Tarver and Wright. He chased down Tarver a lot and in the Wright fight, he exchanged a lot more while on the inside.

You have point but look at his punch output and energy vs Dawson...Tarver and Wright are both in the same boat...they are not busy fighters...They are all old...but look at how Dawson is constantly attacking and has the reflexes to dodges and use his footwork...I think Dawson just has too much movement for Hopkins at this stage in Hopkins career...

kg0208

10-04-2007, 01:12 PM

You have point but look at his punch output and energy vs Dawson...Tarver and Wright are both in the same boat...they are not busy fighters...They are all old...but look at how Dawson is constantly attacking and has the reflexes to dodges and use his footwork...I think Dawson just has too much movement for Hopkins at this stage in Hopkins career...

Exactly....Tarver has always had a low workrate. And Wright usually has a good workrate, but not 10lbs over his weight class. Dawson is going to be a different animal entirely.

klion22

10-04-2007, 01:15 PM

You have point but look at his punch output and energy vs Dawson...Tarver and Wright are both in the same boat...they are not busy fighters...They are all old...but look at how Dawson is constantly attacking and has the reflexes to dodges and use his footwork...I think Dawson just has too much movement for Hopkins at this stage in Hopkins career...

I know what you're saying. I'm just just disagreeing where you said that Hopkins' workrate has steadily decreased when in reality, it has not.

Lampley

10-04-2007, 02:50 PM

I know what you're saying. I'm just just disagreeing where you said that Hopkins' workrate has steadily decreased when in reality, it has not.

Well, it has decreased since 2001, for sure, but I agree in his last couple fights it's been better.

On the other hand, he was matched against other relatively low-output guys in those fights, which meant he didn't have to fight as defensively. It's very possible that he'd shut it down again if confronted by a strong, speedy, and active puncher.

klion22

10-04-2007, 02:51 PM

Well, it has decreased since 2001, for sure, but I agree in his last couple fights it's been better.

On the other hand, he was matched against other relatively low-output guys in those fights, which meant he didn't have to fight as defensively. It's very possible that he'd shut it down again if confronted by a strong, speedy, and active puncher.

And i agree. That's why i think he wouldn't want to fight a guy like Pavlik for the reasons you mentioned.

Fab2333

10-04-2007, 03:34 PM

Hopkins as usual is being counted out but i think that he could go in there, counter Dawson and rough him up on the inside, and win a UD
I was just about to post this actually, Chad is one of my favorite fightersm but Hopkins wont take this fight unless he had the game plan to win. And Chad has never really been roughed up in a fight be4, and B-Hop would do that all night to frustrate a young chad, and potentially win on points.

kg0208

10-04-2007, 03:34 PM

And i agree. That's why i think he wouldn't want to fight a guy like Pavlik for the reasons you mentioned.

I don't think Hopkins could beat Pavlik anymore....on the flip side, I think Dawson would beat Pavlik rather easily at this point, though Pavlik has shown he is improving.

Lampley

10-04-2007, 03:41 PM

I don't think Hopkins could beat Pavlik anymore....on the flip side, I think Dawson would beat Pavlik rather easily at this point, though Pavlik has shown he is improving.

I'd give Hopkins a small chance at Pavlik, but he'd have to work very hard to win seven rounds. But he could land right hands at will and flush, there's no doubt in my mind. Yet again, though, he'd probably get outworked.

I also agree that Dawson would box circles around Pavlik, and he might even get the stoppage. He's far too dynamic and skilled. Taylor and Dawson have some athletic similiarities, but the skills and ring intelligence are many miles apart.

Fab2333

10-04-2007, 03:46 PM

kg0208

10-04-2007, 04:04 PM

All Im going to say is dont count Hopkins out, he is a smart bastard in that ring, and though some1 might be more skilled. He can find ways to win, and I respect him for that. Chad Dawson has the speed yes, not as fast as RJ but fast none the less. But what gave Hopkins trouble when he fought RJ was not just the speed but the unorthodox punches that RJ throws. I would pick Dawson b/c of his ability, but dont count B-Hop out man, he would rough the young boy up and take him out his game.

Well just remember, Dawson would be the biggest fighter Hopkins has faced. Dawson is 6'3 and has grown to a full LHW. He is more orthodox certainly than Jones, and I don't think he is as fast as Jones was (who was?) but he presents a puzzle that Hopkins may have the brains the solve, but no longer the physical ability to solve.