Valero V Katsids please

[ashley]

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Valero spanked Demarco over 9 rounds then his team stopped him coming out for the 10th round.

Valero fought on with a nasty gash from a round 2 elbow....Demarco lost a point even though it was not intentional.

I would love to see Katsidis V Valero....thoughts?

[Marcus]

I might get a little hate for this but i think Valero would knock Kat out cold as ice.

Valero has huge power and i dont rate Kats chin much above a 7/10

[Rise Above]

As much as I'm a Katsidis fan I have to agree with Marcus.

[ashley]

I might get a little hate for this but i think Valero would knock Kat out cold as ice.

Valero has huge power and i dont rate Kats chin much above a 7/10



YOU BASTARD :fire

























However I know what your saying......I will still pick Mick :good

How good will it be.......real anticipation of a bloodbath toe to toe war......Edwin may end up with another gash on the head.....Katsidis does tend to lead with his head while closing the gap.

[WhataRock]

Valero should start favorite...but it would be top fight. Wouldnt be a technical masterpiece by a long shot but I think we would get our moneys worth.

[Dr Gonzo]

Tough fight to call... Valero has faced 2 tough guys in Demarco and Pitalua... in both cases he destroyed them just with swarming and wild combos... he obviously has unreal power and good speed but other than that not much true boxing talent

Katsidis has faced the better opposition and beaten the better fighters, he is a little more polished, great power and a huge heart.

Defensively they are both open to HEAPS of punishment, they both cut and both chins are a little suspect. Combine this with the fact that neither will take a backwards step and you got an insane fight

My feeling is that Mick would probably fight pretty evenly with Valero in the opening rounds and would then begin to wear him down and turn it into his inside fight on the ropes... rough housing, holding, and not taking off the pressure.

The fight ends in one of two ways IMO

Valero catches Kats and tears all his scar tissue open and wins on cuts (to be fair the cuts seem to have hardened up a bit lately)

Kats wear Valero down and stops him late, a more seasoned fighter who knows how to win a brawl.

Both would probably hit the deck at some stage and no way it goes 12

Only thing that worries me is Valero being a southpaw...

[WhataRock]

Wonder how long that shocker Valero copped will that to heal...that looks like it will take a fair few stitches.

[ashley]

Tough fight to call... Valero has faced 2 tough guys in Demarco and Pitalua... in both cases he destroyed them just with swarming and wild combos... he obviously has unreal power and good speed but other than that not much true boxing talent

Katsidis has faced the better opposition and beaten the better fighters, he is a little more polished, great power and a huge heart.

Defensively they are both open to HEAPS of punishment, they both cut and both chins are a little suspect. Combine this with the fact that neither will take a backwards step and you got an insane fight

My feeling is that Mick would probably fight pretty evenly with Valero in the opening rounds and would then begin to wear him down and turn it into his inside fight on the ropes... rough housing, holding, and not taking off the pressure.

The fight ends in one of two ways IMO

Valero catches Kats and tears all his scar tissue open and wins on cuts (to be fair the cuts seem to have hardened up a bit lately)

Kats wear Valero down and stops him late, a more seasoned fighter who knows how to win a brawl.

Both would probably hit the deck at some stage and no way it goes 12

Only thing that worries me is Valero being a southpaw...

I'm sure Mick has beaten a few southpaws before but as we all know he was smashed several times with the straight left from Casamayor.

[WhataRock]

Casamayor and Amonsot gave Mick trouble because they were on the backfoot quite a bit, as well as being southpaw.

I think aggressive southpaws are a different kettle of fish for Mick...but in saying that Valero is unorthodox as all hell. I think there is a big chance of headclashes galore in this one.

[Sydney Smutt]

I'm with Marcus, valero all the way in this one

[buster007]

i think with kats improved defence he would beat valero.

the main thing is that valero is as easy to hit as anybody at this level. his defence is woeful at times. kats throws a million effective punches and will connect with every second one that he throws. the straight punch will hit valero at will.

valero is a bit like darchinyan. he intimidates his opponents before a punch is thrown and they get reluctant to engaged in the middle of the ring. katsidis is one cool cat and will not be intimidated by valero.

if kats plays it a little smart i think he would win on points.

but clearly valero is not someone to be taken lightly. he is undefeated for a reason.

[ashley]

I'm with Marcus, valero all the way in this one

Geez...maybe I should have called this thread "lets all swing off Valeros nuts" :patsch

[Marcus]

Geez...maybe I should have called this thread "lets all swing off Valeros nuts" :patsch


certainly would be more your style

[ashley]

certainly would be more your style


:rofl

I did leave myself open for that :patsch

[Contendo]

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Valero spanked Demarco over 9 rounds then his team stopped him coming out for the 10th round.

Valero fought on with a nasty gash from a round 2 elbow....Demarco lost a point even though it was not intentional.

I would love to see Katsidis V Valero....thoughts?

Kats deserves a shot at someone like Juan Manuel Marquez and some top coin before taking on Valero. I don't know if if Valero brings him the top coin just yet.

And for that fact, Valero doesn't present the ideal risk vs. reward fight for him. All well and good for Kats to be known and have respect as a warrior with the fans, but it's the bigger fights/names that set him up for life.

I don't think Valero can even be licensed in the States, (please correct me if I am wrong?) hence diminishes the appeal I would think for Kats having to travel to Mexico where Valero's bout just took place.

Great bout down the track, let Kats win his full title though and earn some proper defence money before a unfication with Valero. Let it build a little more in my opinion.

Late edit idea -

I see the great Erik Morales is coming back at a catch-weight of 142lbs. If you want a great fight for Kats and yet will bring big coin (make no mistake Morales is still a draw, a hero in fact to the Mexicans!), let him have his catch-weight return and then face Kats in Texas.

Kats can fight Diaz next, or JMM if can be made, or Guerrero and follow-up with Morales. Kats will get great money out of Diaz, JMM especially and if he can get through either of them (I believe he can), follow up with Morales!!!

Go Kats! :good

[Dr Gonzo]

Kats deserves a shot at someone like Juan Manuel Marquez and some top coin before taking on Valero. I don't know if if Valero brings him the top coin just yet.

And for that fact, Valero doesn't present the ideal risk vs. reward fight for him. All well and good for Kats to be known and have respect as a warrior with the fans, but it's the bigger fights/names that set him up for life.

I don't think Valero can even be licensed in the States, (please correct me if I am wrong?) hence diminishes the appeal I would think for Kats having to travel to Mexico where Valero's bout just took place.

Great bout down the track, let Kats win his full title though and earn some proper defence money before a unfication with Valero. Let it build a little more in my opinion.

he fought on the same card as kats last year in the US so i dont think a license is an issue, not in texas anyway

[perfect jet]

Kats deserves a shot at someone like Juan Manuel Marquez and some top coin before taking on Valero. I don't know if if Valero brings him the top coin just yet.

And for that fact, Valero doesn't present the ideal risk vs. reward fight for him. All well and good for Kats to be known and have respect as a warrior with the fans, but it's the bigger fights/names that set him up for life.

I don't think Valero can even be licensed in the States, (please correct me if I am wrong?) hence diminishes the appeal I would think for Kats having to travel to Mexico where Valero's bout just took place.

Great bout down the track, let Kats win his full title though and earn some proper defence money before a unfication with Valero. Let it build a little more in my opinion.


Valero is with Arum so the chances of Kats getting him are remote you would think. Kats has a steady relationship with GBP and has a few options with any one of their fighters but that could change...he is obviously not happy at missing out on Marquez and being given Guerrero instead (refer statement to Diaz).

On the fight, I'd give him a real good chance at knocking over Valero. For once he'd be up against a guy with worse defence than himself and he wouldn't be intimidated like Demarco was.

I picked Demarco but was extremely disappointed in him. He froze and was never in it. Not that I had a real high opinion of him but I thought he'd do better.

Funeka would give Valero hell with his size and jab. JMM would destroy the kid but he looks finished at 135 and GBP wouldn't put that one together anyway. I'd pick Juan Diaz to beat him too.

A real fun fight would be Valero v Soto. Soto has slipped imo, I'd favour Valero in that but not by much.

[Contendo]

he fought on the same card as kats last year in the US so i dont think a license is an issue, not in texas anyway


Yes good call. It must be just California and NY. I defitnitely know he had a problem with NY.

Late edit idea -

I see the great Erik Morales is coming back at a catch-weight of 142lbs. If you want a great fight for Kats and yet will bring big coin (make no mistake Morales is still a draw, a hero in fact to the Mexicans!), let him have his catch-weight return and then face Kats in Texas.

Kats can fight Diaz next, or JMM if can be made, or Guerrero and follow-up with Morales. Kats will get great money out of Diaz, JMM especially and if he can get through either of them (I believe he can), follow up with Morales!!!

Go Kats! :good

[LeonMcS]

Valero looked really good today, didn't panic after the cut and did show some good defence at times. I reckon he'd have too much for Katsidis.

[perfect jet]

I wonder how Pac would cope if he suffers a nasty gash like the one that sliced Valero open yesterday.

Given that withdrawing 5 ml of blood weakens him, I guess he'd go in to cardiac arrest.

I really hope for Pacs safety and long term health, he never suffers a cut again. clottey has a huge melon...I'm worried. :)

[Rise Above]

I wonder how Pac would cope if he suffers a nasty gash like the one that sliced Valero open yesterday.

Given that withdrawing 5 ml of blood weakens him, I guess he'd go in to cardiac arrest.

I really hope for Pacs safety and long term health, he never suffers a cut again. clottey has a huge melon...I'm worried. :)


:lol::lol:

[Rodin]

Valero in 4

[Sydney Smutt]

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Valero spanked Demarco over 9 rounds then his team stopped him coming out for the 10th round.

Valero fought on with a nasty gash from a round 2 elbow....Demarco lost a point even though it was not intentional.

I would love to see Katsidis V Valero....thoughts?

I was completely unaware that Kats had made a pass at your mrs

[ashley]

:DI was completely unaware that Kats had made a pass at your mrs

WTF :admin....how did you know?

Your right I want him dead....Valero is the only was possible without me ending up in jail :D

[riggers]

Valero destroys Kat. Kat does not have a world class chin, or world class defence. Valero would land and early and a 0.5 seconds later Kats lands on his back and a further 10 seconds later its over. Katsidis is loads of fun, but anyone wanting this fight must hate him.

[perfect jet]

Valero destroys Kat. Kat does not have a world class chin, or world class defence. Valero would land and early and a 0.5 seconds later Kats lands on his back and a further 10 seconds later its over. Katsidis is loads of fun, but anyone wanting this fight must hate him.

And Valero has world class defence? It's worse than Katsidis.

[buster007]

exactly.

valero has never fought someone like kats that will pressure him non-stop. he is use to getting his own way in the ring. no way he out muscles kats.

of course even though michael has improved his defence he will still get hit a bit, but he has only ever been hurt from one shot properly, and it was the best punch casamayor has probably ever thrown, a perfect shot almost.

but because valeros defence is very ordinary, and sometimes non-exhistant, katsidis will connect with every second punch he throws, and u know how many punches he throws per round.

it would be a fight not to miss thats for sure.

[LeonMcS]

Did you guys actually watch the DeMarco fight?

[Marcus]

Did you guys actually watch the DeMarco fight?

i only watched the last two rounds

[Kegsy]

Would be an amazing fight Katsidis vs Valero...but i would back Valero to win this 1.
Valero was so impressive in his win on the wkend....tho my heart would be cheering on Katsidis of course.

I backed Valero to bash the crap out of DeMarco...watched lots of DeMarco's earlier career & knew Valero would be well too much....

[buster007]

yes i watched it.

firstly congrats to valero, he did what he was expected to do. i don't know how u could really say that demarco had the arsenal to defeat valero pre-fight.

valero can only beat who is put in front of him. but demarco at times was just simply intimidated too much and just did not feel comfortable in there. again full credit to valero, he has that aura just like darchinyan does and once the opposition get a dose of the power from these guys they just go into survival mode for the majority of the time. that just makes it worse for them. if u cannot outbox valero then u may as well take the fight to him because u have zero chance of winning. easy to say that from behind a computer i know, but u see what i mean.

when demarco did let his few punches go his was quite accurate at times.

u could say he was overwhelmed by the event. his post-fight comments show he was bewildered by his performance.

my personal opinion is that valero simply has too many flaws and will lose accordingly when he faces the top guys. pacman would tear him apart and embarrass him. i find it laughable that valero is being compared to him.

but if valero chooses his opponents wisely he can stay undefeated for quite some time.

[T.C.W]

I valero in this fight

[roscoe]

I'm a huge fan of Kats but Valero takes him out cold in this one. Be a great fight while it lasted though & Kats does have the power to hurt anyone if he catches them right.

[stevekaradeniz]

Recent update:

Basically goes on to say that Beristain does NOT want him to fight Khan, and thinks those 'organising' his fights are exploiting him. Better fight he believes is at lightweight, ie Katsidis'

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Nacho continues: "He (Marquez) came to see me a few days ago. We talked about all that and about some other issues. Juan agreed with what I had to say, and I saw him very eager to get back on track. Everything has been smoothed out and we both left content. In fact, he told me that after taking care of some personal business, he will come back later this week to begin working."

Beristain goes on to say that Marquez "asked me to go with him to Los Angeles to work on the deal for his next fight, that his people (Golden Boy Promotions) want to match him with (Amir) Khan, but I told him that's not a fight to be taken lightly, as he (Khan) is very strong, and it's not a good fight right now, because he (Marquez) has not fully recovered from the Mayweather fight, which was just brutal."

"(Marquez) should look for a different opponent, one in his own weight class, and he should not be exploited again. Khan is a junior welter and that's where they want to make the fight; I think Juan Manuel deserves to bow out like a true champion, and not by being anyone else's stepping stone."

So if Juan Manuel Marquez takes to heart the advice of his long-time trainer, the rumored fight between him and Khan will now be ditched, and "Dinamita" would return to the lightweight division in which he so excelled in his only two bouts there.

An interesting point to consider is that the Katsidis-Guerrero fight scheduled for March 27 has been shelved due to Robert Guerrero having to attend to the health of his wife. Thus, the possibility of a Marquez-Katsidis WBO unification bout can certainly be revisited. It would no doubt be a crowd pleasing match. Just an old fashioned scrap between an offensive fighter and a counterpuncher, with no weight related handicaps to worry about on either side for a change.

[perfect jet]

Very interesting. And apparently he hasn't signed to fight Khan, so I hope Kats get to fight JMM.

[ashley]

Very interesting. And apparently he hasn't signed to fight Khan, so I hope Kats get to fight JMM.

It will be huge fight for aussie boxing but very scary for fans of Katsidis

I just done see how Mick can win this fight.

[Dr Gonzo]

It will be huge fight for aussie boxing but very scary for fans of Katsidis

I just done see how Mick can win this fight.

JMM would ended Katsidis career IMO

he would get countered round after round with huge uppercuts and right hands, JMM is an unreal technician, fast but most of all so so smart in the ring. He has ring smarts akin with some of the best, he can figure out any fighter with seeming ease. If he had a little more power and better defense he would be where Pac is today

JMM TKO5 Katsidis

[perfect jet]

JMM would ended Katsidis career IMO

he would get countered round after round with huge uppercuts and right hands, JMM is an unreal technician, fast but most of all so so smart in the ring. He has ring smarts akin with some of the best, he can figure out any fighter with seeming ease. If he had a little more power and better defense he would be where Pac is today

JMM TKO5 Katsidis

Great summary of JMM's skill set. Case can be made that he is 2-0 against Pac.

One of my favorites for sure.

[ashley]

Great summary of JMM's skill set. Case can be made that he is 2-0 against Pac.

One of my favorites for sure.



Going up in weight doesn't work for many however how can anybody explain how dominant money was against JMM?

I mean money had more speed, timing and better evasion, defence and footwork....these things dont come from weight issues.

Money is king of the hill :deal

Why is he not p4p number 1 :huh

[Dr Gonzo]

Going up in weight doesn't work for many however how can anybody explain how dominant money was against JMM?

I mean money had more speed, timing and better evasion, defence and footwork....these things dont come from weight issues.

Money is king of the hill :deal

Why is he not p4p number 1 :huh


JMM is an absolute shadow of himself at 147, and i totally disagree with you, i believe it was the weight that made this so lopsidded... JMM was slow off the mark, he gassed early, his speed was shithouse

JMM vs Floyd at 130 or 135 looks much much closer (Floyd still gets him)... JMM at a prime weight is an animal, at 147 he is fleshy around the middle and looks every bit of 36... he doesnt have the frame of Pac to support these insane jumps in weight

[ashley]

JMM is an absolute shadow of himself at 147, and i totally disagree with you, i believe it was the weight that made this so lopsidded... JMM was slow off the mark, he gassed early, his speed was shithouse

JMM vs Floyd at 130 or 135 looks much much closer (Floyd still gets him)... JMM at a prime weight is an animal, at 147 he is fleshy around the middle and looks every bit of 36... he doesnt have the frame of Pac to support these insane jumps in weight

So why did he take the fight then?

Is it just the cash?

Or did he think he's gotta good chance?

Guys like JMM...P4P worlds best just dont throw it away?

[Dr Gonzo]

So why did he take the fight then?

Is it just the cash?

Or did he think he's gotta good chance?

Guys like JMM...P4P worlds best just dont throw it away?

he is getting on, people avoid him like the plague so he was after a big pay day... and im sure he figured that even if he lost to PBF his stocks wouldnt go down because people would say "oh he was above his best weight"... golden boy know exactly what they were doing put him in there with floyd

[ashley]

he is getting on, people avoid him like the plague so he was after a big pay day... and im sure he figured that even if he lost to PBF his stocks wouldnt go down because people would say "oh he was above his best weight"... golden boy know exactly what they were doing put him in there with floyd

Agree to some extent....however I stil dont think he had no chance in his mind

We know Money and JMM are top 1 to 5....what about John who beat JMM at his best weight.....Jmm got so frustrated that he started nut pot shotting to try to upset John....In the end lost a point for that shit.

Chris is never talked about in todays top 10 p4p:huh

[LeonMcS]

He lost two points for low blows.