If You Could Change One Boxing Injustice..What one would it be???

[Mandanda]

It can be any fight you like...could be emotional ties...doesn't have to be a robbery on scorecard could be a ridiculous stoppage, A fighter being stripped of a title...etc. Doesn't have to be world title fights either.

Mine well growing up as i lad i remember watching Micheal Brodie on saturday nights in fantastic fights and his chance came against Willie Jorrin....it was graduation night...he boxed beautifully it was his time...he should of been given the title he deserved that night...the status of World Champion...the Green Belt which his heroes held. Sadly it wasn't meant to be and at home in front of all his fans he was ROBBED!!! Micheal never went on to win a World title although he claims he was world champion and for me that night he won the world title. So if i could change one injustice it would have to be this one.

Crack On Lads

[Losfer_Words]

My blood condition count? I'd love nothing more than to be able to box:-(.

[jonnyP]

herol graham not getting out of the way of the bomb julian jackson through, seeing the round through and becoming world champion, great shame!

[Mandanda]

My blood condition count? I'd love nothing more than to be able to box:-(.
Sorry to hear that Losfer. Yeah why not :good

[safc1990]

Knowing now what we know, I would have loved for Cotto to carry on boxing Margarito like he did for the first 6 rounds and win a comfortable decision.

[kosaros]

Muhammad Ali getting his boxing license suspended when he refused to be inducted into the military. Robbed us of his prime years :-(

[Losfer_Words]

If I were to choose something that wasn't personal then I'd say boxing not getting the coverage and platform it deserves. Boxing not being on the beeb is an absolute travesty as there is an audience out there for it. That said, I'm sure die-hard greyhound 'racing' fans and others into all kinds of sports feel the same way:lol:.

Just imagine the numbers Haye-Valuev could have done on the beeb.

[GPater11093]

herol graham not getting out of the way of the bomb julian jackson through, seeing the round through and becoming world champion, great shame!

This cracks me up as people go on like Graham was KO'd in the last round whilst winning handily, it was only the 4th round chances were he was going to walk onto another bomb later on.

The injustice for me would be to give Charley Burley and all the Murderers Row boys a fair crack at the title they deserved.

Trust Losfer to be a selfish cunt

[jonnyP]

This cracks me up as people go on like Graham was KO'd in the last round whilst winning handily, it was only the 4th round chances were he was going to walk onto another bomb later on.

The injustice for me would be to give Charley Burley and all the Murderers Row boys a fair crack at the title they deserved.

Trust Losfer to be a selfish cunt

the 4th round in this fight was going to b ethe last as jackson was going to be pulled out :good

[Mandanda]

This cracks me up as people go on like Graham was KO'd in the last round whilst winning handily, it was only the 4th round chances were he was going to walk onto another bomb later on.

The injustice for me would be to give Charley Burley and all the Murderers Row boys a fair crack at the title they deserved.

Trust Losfer to be a selfish cunt
Very good shout. People say Burley could of reigned as champion for a decade and more...and i believe them seeing what i seen of the great man.

[NO MAS]

God there are so many to think of but I have to say one of the biggest injustices and robberies that gets my goat is when Brodie got robbed in the Jorrin fight...:-(

If he won that fight he could have got a couple of paydays that may have helped set him up for life...

That decision sickened me...:barf

[NO MAS]

My blood condition count? I'd love nothing more than to be able to box:-(.

Fair play to you for posting such a personal comment...:good

[Mandanda]

God there are so many to think of but I have to say one of the biggest injustices and robberies that gets my goat is when Brodie got robbed in the Jorrin fight...:-(

If he won that fight he could have got a couple of paydays that may have helped set him up for life...

That decision sickened me...:barf
I got choked after In Jin Chi first fight when he broke down and said he wanted it to do it for his mum who just died before it. Losing to Chi is no shame but Brodie had Jorrin's number all day long and the fight for me wasn't even close...so sad when you think his mum should of seen her son crowned wbc champion that night.

[Primadonna Kool]

Muhammad Ali getting his boxing license suspended when he refused to be inducted into the military. Robbed us of his prime years :-(

Nahhhhhhhh, because that is a important part of his legacy....!!!

Half of the epic fights....that happened in the 70's would not of happened...!

Muhammad Ali's career would of panned out very different..!

[kosaros]

Nahhhhhhhh, because that is a important part of his legacy....!!!

Half of the epic fights,,,that happened in the 70's would not of happened...!

Muhammad Ali's career would of panned out very different..!

Why not exactly?

[jonnyP]

giving shot shot fighters liscences who shouldnt have them

[Beeston Brawler]

Has anyone read the News of the World today?

Double page spread on Howard Clarke.....

:-(

[NO MAS]

I got choked after In Jin Chi first fight when he broke down and said he wanted it to do it for his mum who just died before it. Losing to Chi is no shame but Brodie had Jorrin's number all day long and the fight for me wasn't even close...so sad when you think his mum should of seen her son crowned wbc champion that night.


I agree mate... Takes a lot to upset me, but that tugged a chord on my heart... He showed such humility...:yep

[Mandanda]

Has anyone read the News of the World today?

Double page spread on Howard Clarke.....

:-(
Just about to read it now. Bout time they published his condition.

[kosaros]

Has anyone read the News of the World today?

Double page spread on Howard Clarke.....

:-(

I read it earlier, just posted a thread about it... :-(

[Primadonna Kool]

Why not exactly?

There would be no such thing as "Fight of the Century".....

Joe Frazier would of just been another oponent....

Certain things and fights would of panned out differently.......

Do you think there would be a "Rumble in the Jungle"......? I dont think so....

It was Ali's second career which made him great.....

[Beeston Brawler]

I'm not sure how he got the Vargas fight to be honest.... just looked at Boxrec, his form going in wasn't exactly inspiring.

[Dan684]

Enzo Calzaghe having sex 39 years ago :good

[Mandanda]

I'm not sure how he got the Vargas fight to be honest.... just looked at Boxrec, his form going in wasn't exactly inspiring.
Yeah even as a youngster when i read boxing news and said Howard Clarke was fighting Vargas i was shocked.

[kosaros]

There would be no such thing as "Fight of the Century".....

Joe Frazier would of just been another oponent....

Certain things and fights would of panned out differently.......

Do you think there would be a "Rumble in the Jungle"......? I dont think so....

It was Ali's second career which made him great.....

The fights may have been billed differently and the outcomes may have been different, but he would still have fought Frazier, Foreman etc.

Enzo Calzaghe having sex 39 years ago :good

:lol:

[Beeston Brawler]

Has Vargas been seen or heard from lately?

After the DLH fight I kinda felt he would self destruct..... after all that he said, to be smacked around and stopped must have hurt him bad.

[Mandanda]

Has Vargas been seen or heard from lately?

After the DLH fight I kinda felt he would self destruct..... after all that he said, to be smacked around and stopped must have hurt him bad.
He's doing promoting now and sometimes i seen him in crowd of bigger U.S fights. He's a lump nowadays.

[Dan684]

Has Vargas been seen or heard from lately?

After the DLH fight I kinda felt he would self destruct..... after all that he said, to be smacked around and stopped must have hurt him bad.


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[D-MAC]

Enzo Calzaghe having sex 39 years ago :good

Enzo's had sex?:think

I always thought he'd just built Joe in his laboratory (ala Frankenstein).










PS: I'm assuming it was rape.

[Mandanda]

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What a waste. Still had a lot to give boxing. Stupid guy.

[Beeston Brawler]

I suppose if you can't discipline yourself that is what happens.

Isn't there rumours of a comeback?

[Mandanda]

Wouldn't be shocked if he did come back at some point...all retired boxers get the itch especially ones who promote other fighters..

[Primadonna Kool]

I don't understand how Fernando Vargas could get so fat, he must have a tyroid problem or something..?

Thats pretty fucked up..

Or maybe he just really really over eats..!

[FLINT ISLAND]

Roy Jones being robbed of Olympic Gold in Seoul 1988.

To rob a young man of the ulitmate prize in amateur boxing - that he had worked all his life to attain - and would never have the oppurtunity to fight for again.

Corrupt bastards.

[BodyBlaster]

Cus D'Amato would have lived another 15yrs and Tyson would never have been beaten IMO, and have the legacy his talent deserved.

[Grant1]

Michael Watson and those last couple of rounds against Eubank.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Enzo Calzaghe having sex 39 years ago :good

:lol::lol::lol:

[Neverchair]

Sven Ottke vs Robin Reid.

[Mandanda]

Roy Jones being robbed of Olympic Gold in Seoul 1988.

To rob a young man of the ulitmate prize in amateur boxing - that he had worked all his life to attain - and would never have the oppurtunity to fight for again.

Corrupt bastards.
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Very Good Shout. Corrupts right word for that robbery.

[FLINT ISLAND]

How on earth did gormless Enzo Calzaghe having sex 39 years ago produce such a all conquering undefeated Pussy Magnet Glamour Boy ? :huh


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[Scratch]

The US inland revenue not robbing Joe Louis into penury.

On a domestic level, Robin Reid smashing the thief Ottke's skull.

[Primadonna Kool]

Stopping Mike Tyson from loosing his cool in the second fight with Evander Holyfield..!!!

That fight would of been a WAR..!! A WAR.!!!

[NO MAS]

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Very Good Shout. Corrupts right word for that robbery.

Spot on...:good

No good wankers... :barf Destroyed someones dream...:barf

I think RJJ showed us all in the paid ranks how good he was mentally by becoming an ATG....:yep

:happy...Pecola Pecola Pecola...:happy

[Dunky McCafferty]

Fuck all the joking, im serious when I say big John McDermott v Tyson Fury.

Tyson Fury goaded the poor guy for weeks before the fight, & big John finally snapped at the weigh-in if I remember correctly, whilst Fury was laughing at him.

Big John then goes in & beats the shit out of Fury, but the judges give it to Fury cos hes the young upstart with the big mouth...

Everyone knew John McDermott won that fight, it still rankles with me to this day that Fury walked away with the almighty 0 intact, promised John a rematch & then pussied out.

[kosaros]

Fuck all the joking, im serious when I say big John McDermott v Tyson Fury.

Tyson Fury goaded the poor guy for weeks before the fight, & big John finally snapped at the weigh-in if I remember correctly, whilst Fury was laughing at him.

Big John then goes in & beats the shit out of Fury, but the judges give it to Fury cos hes the young upstart with the big mouth...

Everyone knew John McDermott won that fight, it still rankles with me to this day that Fury walked away with the almighty 0 intact, promised John a rematch & then pussied out.

Let's hope John gets the victory he deserves if Fury ever comes back from America and finally fights him :good

[TBooze]

I'm not sure how he got the Vargas fight to be honest.... just looked at Boxrec, his form going in wasn't exactly inspiring.

The victory over Papillion got him the shot as Jason was using Clarke as a warm up for his shot at Vargas.

It was a proper boxing fairytale and Howard did not disgrace himself in his big fight.

[TBooze]

Cus D'Amato would have lived another 15yrs and Tyson would never have been beaten IMO, and have the legacy his talent deserved.

LOL, please Cus or no Cus; Tyson was always going to implode and that is not using hindsight...

It is probably best Cus died when he did because we were saved the tragic sight of Tyson walking out on the man who made him the boxer he was. Even if he could not never truly control the monster that could be Tyson.

[Lee Mc]

Has Vargas been seen or heard from lately?

After the DLH fight I kinda felt he would self destruct..... after all that he said, to be smacked around and stopped must have hurt him bad.

He was interviewed in November/December after the latest Zab Judah fight and would struggle to make Super-middle now... :-(

[Beeston Brawler]

The victory over Papillion got him the shot as Jason was using Clarke as a warm up for his shot at Vargas.

It was a proper boxing fairytale and Howard did not disgrace himself in his big fight.

Apparently so, I've not seen it.

Fair play to him for taking the fight and attempting to fulfill a dream.

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On the 1988 Olympics... I just don't get how you could have Jones losing. He landed more punches than the other guy threw, IMO the Korean is as big a victim as Jones. He was humiliated in front of the world, then had to receive a fake Gold medal.... instead of being allowed to receive a creditable Silver and be glad to have shared the ring with RJJ.

[Lee Mc]

Billy Conn not running for the last 2 rounds! He wouldn't have lasted long as Champ, Louis would have beat in a re-match, as he did anyway, but we would have had some great stories!

[icemax]

It can be any fight you like...could be emotional ties...doesn't have to be a robbery on scorecard could be a ridiculous stoppage, A fighter being stripped of a title...etc. Doesn't have to be world title fights either.

Mine well growing up as i lad i remember watching Micheal Brodie on saturday nights in fantastic fights and his chance came against Willie Jorrin....it was graduation night...he boxed beautifully it was his time...he should of been given the title he deserved that night...the status of World Champion...the Green Belt which his heroes held. Sadly it wasn't meant to be and at home in front of all his fans he was ROBBED!!! Micheal never went on to win a World title although he claims he was world champion and for me that night he won the world title. So if i could change one injustice it would have to be this one.

Crack On Lads

Robin Reid v Otke...Reid deserved better

[Lee Mc]

Robin Reid v Otke...Reid deserved better

Reid definitly deserved better BUT he was such a whinging git, and I know I'll take some flak for this, I didn't mind too much :oops:

[Losfer_Words]

Just thought of another one: Robinson sticking it out for just two more rounds against Maxim to become LHW Champ and add even more to his legend. The heat was the injustice!

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[Lee Mc]

Just thought of another one: Robinson sticking it out for just two more rounds against Maxim to become LHW Champ and add even more to his legend. The heat was the injustice!

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:deal

And what I hate even more about what happened that day is that after Calzaghe won the Light-Heavyweight title some twats even got around to saying that he achived something that even Robinson had failed to do :-(

[Will]

My blood condition count? I'd love nothing more than to be able to box:-(.

Is that ITP?

(I had a spell in hospital with it several times as a kid, all good now though).

[billy nelson]

dazzo williams getting the desicion over john simpson

[Will]

Reid Ottke gets my vote.

[Farmboxer]

Get rid of criminal judges.

[Losfer_Words]

Is that ITP?

(I had a spell in hospital with it several times as a kid, all good now though).

Factor V Leiden (I know it sounds like something in a hair product, but that's what it's actually called!). It's a rare defect which makes my blood thicker than Mr Average's. I amost died from it a few years ago:lol:. If I suffer a trauma to the head I'll probably peg it. I have been told repeatedly that I am not allowed to play or partake in contact sports anymore as the risk of suffering a haemorrage or clot is too high:-(. Bullshit blood.

[zulander]

DLH getting the nod over Trinidad and or Mosley he deserved one at least!
Hatton get startched by pac the way he did was hard to take
Id love to have the eye sight so i could box but it aint happening - the metal plates in my jaw i can live with but my eye sight is so damm bad well annoying

[Will]

Factor V Leiden (I know it sounds like something in a hair product, but that's what it's actually called!). It's a rare defect which makes my blood thicker than Mr Average's. I amost died from it a few years ago:lol:. If I suffer a trauma to the head I'll probably peg it. I have been told repeatedly that I am not allowed to play or partake in contact sports anymore as the risk of suffering a haemorrage or clot is too high:-(. Bullshit blood.

The thing I had was ITP. The I stands for Idiopathic which basically means they have no fucking Idea what causes it. At one point I had less than 10,000 platelets per whatever the hell the measure is. Normal is between 150 and 300 thousand. Basically If I had had a car crash or any king of head trauma I would have Haemeraged and snuffed it.

Appently it is only supposed to be possible to get it once but I had 3 bouts.

Like I said all good now. Although supposedly it leaves you with a slightly weakend immune system.

Sorry to hear about yours don't sound like much fun.

Just drink plenty alcohol as it thins the blood. As good an excuse as you likely to find!!!

[turpinr]

herol graham not getting out of the way of the bomb julian jackson through, seeing the round through and becoming world champion, great shame!what a great post.:goodthat would be worth undoing

[turpinr]

This cracks me up as people go on like Graham was KO'd in the last round whilst winning handily, it was only the 4th round chances were he was going to walk onto another bomb later on.

The injustice for me would be to give Charley Burley and all the Murderers Row boys a fair crack at the title they deserved.

Trust Losfer to be a selfish cuntits a fair point but the question was:one boxing injustice,and there were many many great black fighters who were shit on.were would you start ?? tom molyneux,tom cribb or peter jackson or later with harry wills and then the murderers row.
personally i'd like for ezzard charles to have got a crack at the middle-weight title.:good

ps herol graham was seconds from winning that title.

[TBooze]

what a great post.:goodthat would be worth undoing

For a fighter to turn around in a split second almost certain defeat was brilliant and shows why this sport is so great.

And Herol wound not get half the threads he does if he had won a world title.

[Jack Dempsey]

Aside from the great ones already posted, I'm gonna say the early cut that Barrera suffered against Khan, would love to have seen how that fight would have panned out

[Mandanda]

Aside from the great ones already posted, I'm gonna say the early cut that Barrera suffered against Khan, would love to have seen how that fight would have panned out
That's a good one. It still wrangles with me to see Barrera's name go on Khan's record like that. It wasn't a fight and to let a damn legend continue till they could go to cards was a disgrace and oh who was the ref again???....oh yer Mr Parris.

[zulander]

Barrera kahn is a great shout - should never have been allowed to continue

[GPater11093]

the 4th round in this fight was going to b ethe last as jackson was going to be pulled out :good

Why was that?

Very good shout. People say Burley could of reigned as champion for a decade and more...and i believe them seeing what i seen of the great man.

He was phenomenal, he really was.

Billy Conn not running for the last 2 rounds! He wouldn't have lasted long as Champ, Louis would have beat in a re-match, as he did anyway, but we would have had some great stories!

Louis would have won that fight if it continued, would have won on points as long's he won all the last rounds.

its a fair point but the question was:one boxing injustice,and there were many many great black fighters who were shit on.were would you start ?? tom molyneux,tom cribb or peter jackson or later with harry wills and then the murderers row.
personally i'd like for ezzard charles to have got a crack at the middle-weight title.:good

ps herol graham was seconds from winning that title.

Ezzard Charles would have trounced the MW Champ at the time.



One thing I hate is hearing people say Kirkland Laing was the best British fighter never to win a world title. Was he fuck he was some talented junkie who was a good fighter on his day but not world class. He beat a fat Roberto Duran and hes praised like he beat a prime Ray Robinson.

[Matt1986]

Knowing now what we know, I would have loved for Cotto to carry on boxing Margarito like he did for the first 6 rounds and win a comfortable decision.

good post totally agree:good

[kerrminator]

Either of the Pac v JMM bouts. I had Marquez a clear winner in both

[BodyBlaster]

Either of the Pac v JMM bouts. I had Marquez a clear winner in both

Me too. I gave Pac only 1 more round after the 1st in the 1st fight. Wasnt even close IMO.

[LP_1985]

Me too. I gave Pac only 1 more round after the 1st in the 1st fight. Wasnt even close IMO.

i had 114 114. i gave a couple of 10 10 rounds as felt some were very close and hard to score:good

[BrummyLad]

Muhammad Ali getting his boxing license suspended when he refused to be inducted into the military. Robbed us of his prime years :-(

x2 or the fact setanta went bust after tryin and failing to make boxing big in this country...

[Strike]

Aside from the great ones already posted, I'm gonna say the early cut that Barrera suffered against Khan, would love to have seen how that fight would have panned out

It would have panned out pretty much the same. MAB was shot, great match making from ******, MAB was getting outboxed anyway and would have just taken a sustained beating.

[davidjay]

That 'long interval' that never was and allowed Henry Cooper to propagate the greatest British boxing myth of all time for the last forty-odd years.

[JIM KELLY]

Allowing Ali to fight Holmes and Berbrick.

[Dan684]

Got to be Brodie vs Jorrin :good

[sugarsean]

DLH getting the nod over Trinidad and or Mosley he deserved one at least!
Hatton get startched by pac the way he did was hard to take
Id love to have the eye sight so i could box but it aint happening - the metal plates in my jaw i can live with but my eye sight is so damm bad well annoying

Look up about ortho k contact lens, and you will be able to box trust me,

make sure you look it up

[Mr. V.I.P.]

Tyson Douglas

[BoxingFanNo1]

Lewis - Holyfield I.

Sat in total disbelief with a few mates for around 5-10 minutes.
To this day I'd happily batter Eugene Williams black and blue.

[lurcher]

Hers a couple more dodgy draws,
Hearns-Leonard II and Benn-Eubank II. Them two should have had a carreer victories over their nemesis.

[ishy]

Great thread :good

Off the top of my head, I'd go with Lewis taking the first Rahman fight seriously

[HitmanHatton]

I wish Naseem Hamed would have had the dedication and stayed around a bit longer.

[SeasideSlugger]

McGuigan fighting on the surface of the sun.

[Beeston Brawler]

Joe Cortez in the Hatton vs Mayweather fight.

Disgraceful how he stopped Hatton from using illegal holding and hitting techniques whilst allowing Floyd to get away with illegal stray elbows.

That one is for you Betty.....

:pop

[GPater11093]

Hers a couple more dodgy draws,
Hearns-Leonard II and Benn-Eubank II. Them two should have had a carreer victories over their nemesis.

Was it hell dodgy, you are just biased. I had Eubank up by 1 point and I can see it by the same to Benn but anyone who has Benn more than a 2 point winner is dodgy as hell.

[Flea Man]

Khaosai Galaxy being the more highly regarded Galaxy brother :deal

[GPater11093]

Khoasai in fairness had a lot more longevity and stayed in the spotlight longer, he is goign to be remembered longer.

Why did Khaoker quit so early?

[turpinr]

ken buchanan should have had more time to let his balls settle after that dirty panamanian twat used them for a speed ball.ok he'd have lost but would have had a 0 in his ko by record

[SeasideSlugger]

Never seen Brodie Jorrin. Anywhere I can pick it up?

[LHL]

Khoasai in fairness had a lot more longevity and stayed in the spotlight longer, he is goign to be remembered longer.

Why did Khaoker quit so early?

Did he not just drop to the floor in one of his fights i remember reading up on it people saying it was a dive but looked a delayed reaction. Read on another few places that it was because of the injury he never got back in the ring.

Seen one of his fights looked really talented don't want to get into it i have a feeling Flea would murder me if i said something wrong :lol:

[LHL]

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[Flea Man]

AAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


How many times :lol:

Weight drained or a fix apparently :good

[Beeston Brawler]

The bias toward fighters from years gone by.

It's bloody ridiculous.

Some of the fighters from the 1990's were good enough to compete with those from any era...... with amateur boxing going so far away from pro these days, comparisons between the next generation of fighters and those with only grainy footage would be fair enough of course.

[GPater11093]

Did he not just drop to the floor in one of his fights i remember reading up on it people saying it was a dive but looked a delayed reaction. Read on another few places that it was because of the injury he never got back in the ring.

Seen one of his fights looked really talented don't want to get into it i have a feeling Flea would murder me if i said something wrong :lol:

Least you have seen him, just breifly what did you think of him?

AAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


How many times :lol:

Weight drained or a fix apparently :good

To me it looked like he fainted, not sure why he would have fainted, but he dosent even get hit and he falls down in the middle of the round.

Also it is evidence of his amazing feinting ability.

[Flea Man]

The bias toward fighters from years gone by.

It's bloody ridiculous.

Some of the fighters from the 1990's were good enough to compete with those from any era...... with amateur boxing going so far away from pro these days, comparisons between the next generation of fighters and those with only grainy footage would be fair enough of course.

In terms of alltime standing, fighters nowadays just
don't
have
the
depth:deal

[LHL]

Least you have seen him, just breifly what did you think of him?

I haven't seen much of his brother but from what I have seen I preferred Khaokor style of fighting. There's a few of his fights on youtube i might watch them again some time

[ishy]

Who's the bloke in the avatar Flea? Has better hair than Sal Sanchez :yep

[GPater11093]

I haven't seen much of his brother but from what I have seen I preferred Khaokor style of fighting. There's a few of his fights on youtube i might watch them again some time

I liek them both although I do prefer Khaoker's smoother style of boxing, although Khaosai is in some absoloute wars.

Who's the bloke in the avatar Flea? Has better hair than Sal Sanchez :yep

It is Jung Koo Chang.

[Flea Man]

Who's the bloke in the avatar Flea? Has better hair than Sal Sanchez :yep

Jung Koo Chang, the best fighter on film EVER:deal

Yoko Gushiken has better haiy than both of em combined :lol:

[GPater11093]

Jung Koo Chang, the best fighter on film EVER:deal

Yoko Gushiken has better haiy than both of em combined :lol:

He is definitly up there. When I see a fighter I sometimes see a weakness or if I was boxing them what I would try to do but I cant see anything with Chang.

[20a87]

The bias toward fighters from years gone by.

It's bloody ridiculous.

Some of the fighters from the 1990's were good enough to compete with those from any era...... with amateur boxing going so far away from pro these days, comparisons between the next generation of fighters and those with only grainy footage would be fair enough of course.


Spot on

[sg85]

Fuck all the joking, im serious when I say big John McDermott v Tyson Fury.

Tyson Fury goaded the poor guy for weeks before the fight, & big John finally snapped at the weigh-in if I remember correctly, whilst Fury was laughing at him.

Big John then goes in & beats the shit out of Fury, but the judges give it to Fury cos hes the young upstart with the big mouth...

Everyone knew John McDermott won that fight, it still rankles with me to this day that Fury walked away with the almighty 0 intact, promised John a rematch & then pussied out.
:deal:deal:deal

This!!!! :fire

[Dan684]

Jung Koo Chang, the best fighter on film EVER:deal

Yoko Gushiken has better haiy than both of em combined :lol:

He is definitly up there. When I see a fighter I sometimes see a weakness or if I was boxing them what I would try to do but I cant see anything with Chang.

You two are geeks :thumbsup

[HitmanHatton]

The bias toward fighters from years gone by.

It's bloody ridiculous.

Some of the fighters from the 1990's were good enough to compete with those from any era...... with amateur boxing going so far away from pro these days, comparisons between the next generation of fighters and those with only grainy footage would be fair enough of course.

Totally agree with what you said there mate, Floyd Mayweather, Bernard Hopkins, Naseem Hamed are just three fighters I reckon could have lived in any era, I dont why they are arselicked so much fighters from the past.

[Flea Man]

So you think Floyd couldve fought in the 20's? With HIS hands?

Those guys were fighting top opposition once a month, as always you don't really know what you're on about.

Middleweight Hopkins I'll give ya. But could Hop of today keep, say, Archie Moores regime at the same age?

Even as a Naz nuthugger myself, I won't even bother responding on that one.

[Flea Man]

You two are geeks :thumbsup

:lol: I'd like to say just with boxing but having met me you'd know I was talking bollocks :good

[HitmanHatton]

So you think Floyd couldve fought in the 20's? With HIS hands?

Those guys were fighting top opposition once a month, as always you don't really know what you're on about.

Middleweight Hopkins I'll give ya. But could Hop of today keep, say, Archie Moores regime at the same age?

Even as a Naz nuthugger myself, I won't even bother responding on that one.

So could the fighters in the 20s havent beaten say Mosley, Mayweather and Pacquiao in consecutive months, I think you'll find its you whos talking rubbish.
Looking at Archie Moore's record he fought a lot of people with double figure losses on their records which by today's standards would be considered journeymen, what does beating people like that prove??
Based on pure skill Mayweather could easy handle it in any era.

[Flea Man]

:lol: Mosley and Pac would be fighting many times themselves, making it an even playing field. Love your amazing Boxrec analysis of Archie Moore :lol:

You said any era, not me. Floyd would not live with the punishing schedule that those guys fought in, and as either a lightweight or welter (no super feather or light welter back then) would be in a seriously deep talent pool, fighting with 6oz glove and less strict referees.

There's no point guessing. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't post. I assume your knowledge of the old guys ain't up to scratch, fair enough, but don't say Floyd, who is a terrible example by the way, would hang in any previous era. You think he'd survive in the Cuevas-Palomino-Duran-Leonard-Hearns era of Welters? He probably wouldn't even get in the ring with 'em.

Any era at light or welter and there's probably a fighter with more 'pure skill' than Floyd. Fighters nowadays just don't make the cut compared to fighters from previous eras.

The skill level is probably there, no doubt. But the depth? The resume? The punishing schedule? Nope.

[kosaros]

Never seen Brodie Jorrin. Anywhere I can pick it up?

I have a dozen Brodie fights, but not that one :think:verysad

[TBooze]

Hers a couple more dodgy draws,
Hearns-Leonard II and Benn-Eubank II. Them two should have had a carreer victories over their nemesis.

No I hate Leonard and Tommy one of my favourite fighters ever. But under ten point must you cannot score that fight better than 113/112 for Hearns. A draw was a fair result

As for Benn/EubankII: from 9000 feet up in the air watching the fight, I had Benn 8/4; but watching it on TV a few days later I had it 6/6; again, a draw was a fair result IMO.

[LHL]

So could the fighters in the 20s havent beaten say Mosley, Mayweather and Pacquiao in consecutive months, I think you'll find its you whos talking rubbish.
Looking at Archie Moore's record he fought a lot of people with double figure losses on their records which by today's standards would be considered journeymen, what does beating people like that prove??
Based on pure skill Mayweather could easy handle it in any era.

Terrible statement I'm not a classic boxing nut but this is back when the best fought the best losses were common unlike today were modern phenomena's like Tyrone Brunson can be made to look like murders.

[Flea Man]

Put it this way, you don't even have to look that far back.

Look at Freddie Pendleton: he'd be 35-0 (35) with titles in two weight classes by now.

More than ever boxing is a business forthe fighters as well as the businessmen.

In a world where Ricky Hatton is considered a 'two weight world champion' :lol:

[Flea Man]

That statement on archie Moore, who faced the best opposition of any fighter I can think of, gets more ridiculous the more I contemplate it.

Truly one of the worst things I have ever seen anyone say on here. Clutching at straws at it's most primitive.

[kosaros]

Put it this way, you don't even have to look that far back.

Look at Freddie Pendleton: he'd be 35-0 (35) with titles in two weight classes by now.

More than ever boxing is a business forthe fighters as well as the businessmen.

In a world where Ricky Hatton is considered a 'two weight world champion' :lol:

Don't bad mouth Hatton - he beat Pendleton :yep;)

[Flea Man]

:lol:

[Dan684]

:lol: I'd like to say just with boxing but having met me you'd know I was talking bollocks :good

:rofl

[hitman_hatton1]

brodie got the decision against jorrin.

taylor gets to continue and finish against chavez.

tyson gets off of the rape charge in 92 and fights holyfield when he still had something left. :bbb

[hitman_hatton1]

Totally agree with what you said there mate, Floyd Mayweather, Bernard Hopkins, Naseem Hamed are just three fighters I reckon could have lived in any era, I dont why they are arselicked so much fighters from the past.

guys like sanchez, gomez and saddler would have walked all over hamed. :yep

[GPater11093]

You two are geeks :thumbsup

:lol::lol:

Least its no a geeky subject, at least boxing is fairly cool and masculine.

So you think Floyd couldve fought in the 20's? With HIS hands?

Those guys were fighting top opposition once a month, as always you don't really know what you're on about.

Middleweight Hopkins I'll give ya. But could Hop of today keep, say, Archie Moores regime at the same age?

Even as a Naz nuthugger myself, I won't even bother responding on that one.

I'm not saying Hopkins past prime stuff is as impressive as Moore's it is definitly comparable. Also I do think Hopkins could have kept a good schedule as he clearly found it easy with Pavlik and Orneleas.

:lol: I'd like to say just with boxing but having met me you'd know I was talking bollocks :good

brodie got the decision against jorrin.

taylor gets to continue and finish against chavez.

tyson gets off of the rape charge in 92 and fights holyfield when he still had something left. :bbb

The thing he could have been finishing was his life

[ishy]

Jung Koo Chang, the best fighter on film EVER:deal

Yoko Gushiken has better haiy than both of em combined :lol:

Thanks :good I;ve got Chang's fights against Chitalada on disk, will have to give them a watch :bbb

[GPater11093]

Thanks :good I;ve got Chang's fights against Chitlada on disk, will have to give them a watch :bbb

Amazing fights

Watch the referee have to call time as he hurts his knee.

Once you watch them fights and fall in love with Chang you need to find the Zapata fights.

[Flea Man]

The fight with Tokashiki (on YouTube) is Chang at his best IMO.

[GPater11093]

The fight with Tokashiki (on YouTube) is Chang at his best IMO.

I need to get that. The Lopez fight despite a slow start showcases Changs ability well.

[Flea Man]

Only seen 3rd rnd. Chang just overwhelms in.

Honestly, the Tokashiki fightis something else. Patient precise banger Chang and relentless beast Chang merged with intelligent time-buying Chang=SUPER CHANG!!!!

[GPater11093]

Only seen 3rd rnd. Chang just overwhelms in.

Honestly, the Tokashiki fightis something else. Patient precise banger Chang and relentless beast Chang merged with intelligent time-buying Chang=SUPER CHANG!!!!

Sounds good, really going to have to get it.

In terms of just talent and skills Chang is one of the best ever IMO.

[ishy]

Only seen 3rd rnd. Chang just overwhelms in.

Honestly, the Tokashiki fightis something else. Patient precise banger Chang and relentless beast Chang merged with intelligent time-buying Chang=SUPER CHANG!!!!

:lol:

[Flea Man]

There's not many fighters I'd deem unbeatable at their weight but Chang is one of them. I also think he'd beat a LOT of flys.

Benny Lynch vs Chang? We shouldn't contemplate it, it's a fight with the potential to give even the straightest homophobe a hard on :lol: :deal

[GPater11093]

There's not many fighters I'd deem unbeatable at their weight but Chang is one of them. I also think he'd beat a LOT of flys.

Benny Lynch vs Chang? We shouldn't contemplate it, it's a fight with the potential to give even the straightest homophobe a hard on :lol: :deal

Chang is just pure awesome, he walks through people with such skill.

Lynch vs Chang, holy Jesus!

Lynch out of anyone has the power to at least keep Chang at bay but could he do it for 12 or 15 rounds with the marauding Chang driving forward. Someone is getting KO'd even if Chang wasnt a big puncher the pace and intensity of this fight calls for a stoppage.

Also I watched MSM vs Marvin Johnson 1 and I had MSM winning that fight but what a fight it was.

[Flea Man]

The 2nd fight is also bloody good, both at their peaks. Johnson seems unmotivated in the pre-fight but doesn't seem it when the first bell rings. Another quality fight.

[GPater11093]

The 2nd fight is also bloody good, both at their peaks. Johnson seems unmotivated in the pre-fight but doesn't seem it when the first bell rings. Another quality fight.

Will have to watch it. Loved the way Saad's punches didnt even look that hard but he was rocking Johnson and Johnson developed a buzz-saw kinda style of punching at Saad.

MSM showed some good fundamentals in that fight.

[Dan684]

You two fuckers wanna send me a DVD with some of this curly headed fuckers fights on or piss off to the Classic. I haven't even heard of him.

He looks like he should be an extra in 'Enter the Dragon'

[GPater11093]

You two fuckers wanna send me a DVD with some of this curly headed fuckers fights on or piss off to the Classic. I haven't even heard of him.

He looks like he should be an extra in 'Enter the Dragon'

Dan looks like I'm gonna have to.

Im away to bed but ill do a copy for you imorn and post it off soon.

Jung-Koo Chang is as British as Churchill

[Flea Man]

Get on YouTube, the Tokashikifight is on there.

Tried out boxing at 16. Was world champ by 19 beating ATG light-fly Hilario Zapata.

Made 15 defences of WBC title. One of the most effective fighters styleswise, has to be seen to be believed.

Extra in 'Enter The Dragon'?!? He'd walk through Bruce Lee worse than that samurai from his dreams, Norris and Bob Wall put together :deal

[Dan684]

Prove it too me then chinny :yep

[Flea Man]

YouTube Chang vs Tokashiki, would post up everything of him on there on this thread but on iPhone and not PC. Sorry pal.

Honestly, Chang would dent my chin in about 2 seconds flat, which is more time than anyone would need to realise they shouldnt have got in the ring with 'The Korean Hawk'.

[timber]

not really an injustice,,, but would have liked to see Naseem Hamed prepare properly for Marco Barrera fight.
(watch Big fight Little Prince documentary)

[HitmanHatton]

:lol: Mosley and Pac would be fighting many times themselves, making it an even playing field. Love your amazing Boxrec analysis of Archie Moore :lol:

You said any era, not me. Floyd would not live with the punishing schedule that those guys fought in, and as either a lightweight or welter (no super feather or light welter back then) would be in a seriously deep talent pool, fighting with 6oz glove and less strict referees.

There's no point guessing. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't post. I assume your knowledge of the old guys ain't up to scratch, fair enough, but don't say Floyd, who is a terrible example by the way, would hang in any previous era. You think he'd survive in the Cuevas-Palomino-Duran-Leonard-Hearns era of Welters? He probably wouldn't even get in the ring with 'em.

Any era at light or welter and there's probably a fighter with more 'pure skill' than Floyd. Fighters nowadays just don't make the cut compared to fighters from previous eras.

The skill level is probably there, no doubt. But the depth? The resume? The punishing schedule? Nope.

Your being the hypocrite by guessing now, your basing your opinion on Floyd not being able to handle it in any era just because of his hands.
I'll admit, I not seen lots of the old fighters but I seen some, these days the training methods are more upto date, the fighters are better prepared and just because the fighters fought once a month doesnt mean they are better quality.
Nowadays you just wouldnt be able to fight once a month because the authorities would stop you and does that mean they are any lesser fighters?? and the referees are more stricter and the gloves have more padding these days for the fighters safety so thats a stupid argument.
If Floyd Mayweather lived in another era you would be arselicking him like your doing to the old fighters now.

[Flea Man]

Clutching at straws :lol:

[HitmanHatton]

Clutching at straws :lol:

At least you admit your doing it mate!!!

[Flea Man]

Trust me, if you had a more in depth knowledge of boxing history, you wouldn't find Floyd that impressive, and wouldn't say he could handle it 'in any era'.

[Beeston Brawler]

I agree with you mate.

Sportspeople adapt.

It's a bit like saying Frank Lampard couldn't cope against Billy Bremner or that Jack Charlton would beat the shit out of Jermain Defoe.

Of course given the conditions that are in place in any given era dictate that football is now softer than in the 1970's, but also faster. Players used to be able to get away with drinking half a dozen beers a couple of times a week and being a smoker.

Unless there are extentuating circumstances, such as heavyweights from a previous era now generally fitting into a cruiserweight division.... perhaps factoring in same day weigh ins as opposed to the modern previous day method....

It's nonsense to suggest that a 5'10'' 13st heavy from 1920 would be able to beat a 6'5'' 17st Riddick Bowe more than a couple of times out of 10.

But with lower weights, it's certainly not unreasonable to suggest that the likes of Floyd, Pacquiao, Hopkins and many others could be competitive against fighters from days gone by.

Clearly many fighters that are paper champions - by that I mean getting an alphabelt and hanging onto it for dear life couldn't of course.

[HitmanHatton]

I agree with you mate.

Sportspeople adapt.

It's a bit like saying Frank Lampard couldn't cope against Billy Bremner or that Jack Charlton would beat the shit out of Jermain Defoe.

Of course given the conditions that are in place in any given era dictate that football is now softer than in the 1970's, but also faster. Players used to be able to get away with drinking half a dozen beers a couple of times a week and being a smoker.

Unless there are extentuating circumstances, such as heavyweights from a previous era now generally fitting into a cruiserweight division.... perhaps factoring in same day weigh ins as opposed to the modern previous day method....

It's nonsense to suggest that a 5'10'' 13st heavy from 1920 would be able to beat a 6'5'' 17st Riddick Bowe more than a couple of times out of 10.

But with lower weights, it's certainly not unreasonable to suggest that the likes of Floyd, Pacquiao, Hopkins and many others could be competitive against fighters from days gone by.

Clearly many fighters that are paper champions - by that I mean getting an alphabelt and hanging onto it for dear life couldn't of course.

Do you mean you agree with me lol?

[Flea Man]

I wasn't referring to any technical deficiency, rather that fighters of this age need to do a whole lot to be ranked alongside their coutnerparts from eras gone by.

Floyd; hasn't done.

[HitmanHatton]

I wasn't referring to any technical deficiency, rather that fighters of this age need to do a whole lot to be ranked alongside their coutnerparts from eras gone by.

Floyd; hasn't done.

Floyd is a 5 weight world champion, one of only a handful to achieve that, what more can one person achieve?? Not many of your goldenboys achieved that.

[Flea Man]

A five weight World champion :lol:

Exactly what I mean.

[HitmanHatton]

A five weight World champion :lol:

Exactly what I mean.

Or yeah I forgot its nothing being a 5 weight world champion, Ray Leonard, Ray Robinson were both multi weight world champions but because they did it, its best thing since sliced bread.

[Flea Man]

Honestly pal, you don't know what you're talking about.

Do some research and see if you feel the same.

Would you say Floyd is a top 20 fighter?

[kosaros]

Hitman - lot more weight divisions nowadays.

[Beeston Brawler]

Do you mean you agree with me lol?

Yes you.

Even though you are a Cas fan :twisted:

[Bill Butcher]

Morales being given the verdict he deserved vs Diaz to become Mexico`s first 4 weight champion springs to mind.

[Flea Man]

Hitman - lot more weight divisions nowadays.

And belts, and less depth........

I mean f'n hell:lol::patsch

[HitmanHatton]

Hitman - lot more weight divisions nowadays.

Werent the same weight classes Floyd has won his titles in about in the days of Ray Robinson and Ray Leonard?

[Flea Man]

Well, Ray Robinson is 30 years before Leonard :lol:

And no, not really. Catchweigths were fought but not regularly for titles, and there wasn't as many titles to fight for.

In short, you had to fight the best to be considered a 'World Champion', not Gatti :lol:

I.e Hatton wouldn't be considered a 'two weight champ', he migth not have even been a champ at 140.

[HitmanHatton]

Well, Ray Robinson is 30 years before Leonard :lol:

And no, not really. Catchweigths were fought but not regularly for titles, and there wasn't as many titles to fight for.

In short, you had to fight the best to be considered a 'World Champion', not Gatti :lol:

I.e Hatton wouldn't be considered a 'two weight champ', he migth not have even been a champ at 140.

Obviously!!!!

[Flea Man]

You said 'in the days of.....'

They were different days.

EDIT: To be honest I don't wanna be rude.

[HitmanHatton]

You said 'in the days of.....'

They were different days. If you don't wanna get your limited knowledge 'exposed' don't say stupid things

Well I meant them as seperate days and you know that, of course I know they were 30 years apart, I think you'll find your the one whos clutching at straws just to get one up on me.

[Flea Man]

Honestly pal, you just set yourself up.

[Mandanda]

Morales being given the verdict he deserved vs Diaz to become Mexico`s first 4 weight champion springs to mind.
Very good shout. Morales beat him and was nowhere near his prime...shocking decision and one that stopped a man sealing a immense legacy.

[onourway]

Well, Ray Robinson is 30 years before Leonard :lol:

And no, not really. Catchweigths were fought but not regularly for titles, and there wasn't as many titles to fight for.

In short, you had to fight the best to be considered a 'World Champion', not Gatti :lol:

I.e Hatton wouldn't be considered a 'two weight champ', he migth not have even been a champ at 140.

Hatton beat the best fighter at 140, why wouldn't he have been considered the champ?

[avidlemon]

i feel quite inadeqaute reading this thread. i just like boxing, and know a little bit about it!

[avidlemon]

let me re-phrase, i LOVE boxing. don't want anyone to think i am just a casual fan!

[HitmanHatton]

i feel quite inadeqaute reading this thread. i just like boxing, and know a little bit about it!

I wouldnt worry about it mate.

Its no big deal because people like watching bad quality black and white fights from '' back in the day '', infact whats the point?

[avidlemon]

I follow boxing heavily nowadays, and have a fair knowledge of classic, but nothing compared to some of the guys on here.
I think my injustice, off the top of my head would be reid v ottke, or even better RJJ in the olympics. Someone summed it up better saying the guy who won gold was shown up, and made a fool of in front of the world, and it would have been far kinder to make the right decision, give him his silver, and recognise a true atg

[Mandanda]

I follow boxing heavily nowadays, and have a fair knowledge of classic, but nothing compared to some of the guys on here.
I think my injustice, off the top of my head would be reid v ottke, or even better RJJ in the olympics. Someone summed it up better saying the guy who won gold was shown up, and made a fool of in front of the world, and it would have been far kinder to make the right decision, give him his silver, and recognise a true atg
Yeah there's some guys on here who know so so much about the 40's and 50's fighters and classic wars that most wouldn't of heard of. It's nice to see and read about fighters you never knew...every day i'm learning about the classic fighters and fighters who even i never heard of.

[Flea Man]

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For those that were curious a few pages back.

If you must only watch one part, watch the third :good

[thistle1]

Gilroy v McAvoy, British middleweight title 1939-41
Gilroy v Mills , British light-heavyweight title 1944-48.