Poll: Odds on Pavlik Unifying Titles by the End of '08?

[jsimps]

Will Pavlik unify the 160lb division by the end of 2008. If so or not, why?

[PH|LLA]

not enough time

[UKITAZ]

Sturm wouldnt have the balls to fight pavlik. Abraham on the otherhand would probably be willing and would make an entertaining fight.

[LogDog69]

not enough time

I agree. Of course if Pavlik starts to pick the belts up at the rate Juan Diaz is then he might be able to by the end of 2008.

[SteveO]

Not enough time and who knows what the suits will do. Will they allow Pavlik to fight their fighters? Or maybe they see him as an easy mark.

[dragosuhail]

the things are not enough time and also the question of whether the two german based fighters will be willing to travel to usa. i mean, i just cant see their promoters allowing that.

and there should be no way that pavlik has to go to them! :nono

[mike464]

Pavlik is the linear champion. I doubt he'd be too worried about unifying the three titles and paying more fees.

[jsimps]

Pavlik is the linear champion. I doubt he'd be too worried about unifying the three titles and paying more fees.
He has stated that he wants to unify the titles.

[mike464]

He has stated that he wants to unify the titles.I stand corrected.

[jsimps]

I stand corrected.
He is a local guy, so we a lot of info on him. He did an hour special on tv last night. No specific direction was mentioned, although some possibilities (Sturm/ Abraham).

[Smazz20]

the things are not enough time and also the question of whether the two german based fighters will be willing to travel to usa. i mean, i just cant see their promoters allowing that.

and there should be no way that pavlik has to go to them! :nono


Why not. Would you complain if he did. I'd like to see him travel to Germany. It'd give credence to the fact that not all American fighters are scared shitless to leave their own country.

[LogDog69]

Pavlik is the linear champion. I doubt he'd be too worried about unifying the three titles and paying more fees.


He did say he was interested in unifying, but I'm with you on this. If I was the linear and recognized champ at middleweight, I wouldn't be chasing after any of the alphabet belts. The other belt holders should have to come to him (or actually in a perfect world they should want to come to him) because deep down they should know that their bullshit trinkets are exactly that...Bullshit! :good

[Fat Tony]

Why not. Would you complain if he did. I'd like to see him travel to Germany. It'd give credence to the fact that not all American fighters are scared shitless to leave their own country.

Both Sturm and Abraham want to fight in America.


They are not as famous as Maske, Schulz or the K's in Germany and I think Pavlik would demand at least 1 million € to fight abroad.
---> too expensive for ARD and ZDF (the channels that broadcast Abraham's and Sturm's fights).

So IF Pavlik-Abraham or Pavlik-Sturm takes place, it will be in the US.

But I highly doubt either fight will come off.

[jsimps]

He mentioned possible venues he would like to see his first defense happen at. The Q (Cavs), Browns Stadium, The Shoe (Buckeyes), or YSU stadium. Unfortunately, all but one of these is an outside venue.

[Carlos Primera]

how long pavlik can stay at 160 also has bearing on him unifying.

[Smazz20]

Both Sturm and Abraham want to fight in America.


They are not as famous as Maske, Schulz or the K's in Germany and I think Pavlik would demand at least 1 million € to fight abroad.
---> too expensive for ARD and ZDF (the channels that broadcast Abraham's and Sturm's fights).

So IF Pavlik-Abraham or Pavlik-Sturm takes place, it will be in the US.

But I highly doubt either fight will come off.


Well, we can only hope. I want to see Pavlik v Abraham. I could'nt give a fuck if it's held in the depths of Africa, just so long as the two fight each other.

[jsimps]

Well, we can only hope. I want to see Pavlik v Abraham. I could'nt give a fuck if it's held in the depths of Africa, just so long as the two fight each other.
After Kelly knocked out Abraham, he could fight a lion.

[Fat Tony]

Well, we can only hope. I want to see Pavlik v Abraham. I could'nt give a fuck if it's held in the depths of Africa, just so long as the two fight each other.

:good

But I'm afraid we'll see Pavlik-Mora and Pavlik-Bornard instead.

[booklord]

I think Pavlik-Abraham will be a strong possiblity after he faces down Taylor (rematch) and Duddy (a local fighter to solidify his popularity in the States). But if Pavlik beats Abraham, Sturm will never face him. His only hope would be for someone else to beat Sturm and for him to take the belt from that guy.

[jsimps]

They said last night that Kelly would fight somebody(?) sometime in either Feb. or Mar. Who, depends on Taylor's team. If not Taylor, probably will end up fighting a tuneup fight, like a Mora.

[Smazz20]

After Kelly knocked out Abraham, he could fight a lion.

I doubt a Lion would want to fight him:hat

[jsimps]

This needed posted:

Published:Thursday, October 4, 2007

The new middleweight champion of the world celebrated by buying some tires
for his car. His trainer got up early as usual to spread asphalt on a few
driveways.
And the people of Youngstown, Ohio, enjoyed a double dose of good news for a town that rarely has any.

One day General Motors announces it will build a new car at the nearby
Lordstown plant, ensuring the economic future of the hard-scrabble area for
at least a few more years.

The next, Kelly Pavlik shocks everyone but himself and his pavement-laying
trainer by knocking out Jermain Taylor to win the 160-pound title.
“It was almost like someone was writing a script,” trainer Jack Loew said.
If they were, Hollywood would be buying. Inspiration sells, and there’s
something nicely uplifting about a blue collar fighter and his blue collar
town both making it big.

[Tom_Tocca]

Well, we can only hope. I want to see Pavlik v Abraham. I could'nt give a fuck if it's held in the depths of Africa, just so long as the two fight each other.

So we will get to see "The rumble in the jungle", part II...

btw, Arum stated in the post presser, that he has no problems making a fight with AA down the road if Abraham won't demand a 50-50 split - hell, even 70-30 in favour of Pavlik would make Abraham earn double the money for his highest purse as of today (around $650k)...given that Kelly would earn around $3 million for it...

[eddie007]

Abraham vs Pavlik would be a hell of a fight, both got balls of steel and so determined. This has fireworks written all over it. It's easily the hardest fight for Pavlik who i think will eventually win v.close ud.

[bigeddie27]

Pavlik does not need to unify because, in my eyes, he has the undisputed title. He is already unified. Look at the other belt holders, they fought and continue to fight nobodies. The belts mean shit.

[Smazz20]

Pavlik does not need to unify because, in my eyes, he has the undisputed title. He is already unified. Look at the other belt holders, they fought and continue to fight nobodies. The belts mean shit.

The unification means absolutely fuck all to me. It's the fact that Abraham and Pavlik are the top two fighers at 160 right now. That means they should fight.

[Fat Tony]

Abraham vs Pavlik would be a hell of a fight, both got balls of steel and so determined. This has fireworks written all over it. It's easily the hardest fight for Pavlik who i think will eventually win v.close ud.

Abraham can't win on points, his workrate is far too low. He needs some kd's (à la Peter-Wlad) to be competitive if it goes the distance.

Pavlik T/KO 35%
Pavlik on points 30%
Draw 2%
Abraham T/KO 30%
Abraham on points 3%

[Fat Tony]

Pavlik does not need to unify because, in my eyes, he has the undisputed title. He is already unified. Look at the other belt holders, they fought and continue to fight nobodies. The belts mean shit.

Bullshit. I don't want him to become another Hopkins who is called champion but refuses to fight a live contender of his weight class.
Pavlik MUST face the best and - like it or not - Abraham is one of them.

[MrStayman]

I think he really wants to fight Abraham. But, he has a somewhat smallish chance of losing to Taylor, and a small chance of losing to Abraham, so he may not have the titles.

[Armo_Ruski]

pavlik abraham should fight in the u.s. .. sturm should absolutely not fight pavlik unless its in germany.. no way sturm gets a decision in the u.s. especially against a guy like pavlik, have we forgotten dela hoya- sturm robbery?? i bet he hasnt