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Losfer_Words

02-10-2010, 05:07 AM

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Thank fuck common sense seems to be prevailing. Hopefully this means some other fights at 140 first or a return to 135 for Dinamita. Also, I think that this would be best for Khan as well. Hopefully now he'll fight a genuine LWW in his next fight.

Beristain had this to say:

"Khan is very strong and it's not a good fight right now because he's not fully recovered from the Mayweather fight, which was just brutal. "I think it's better to get another opponent. He should not be exploited again. Juan Manuel deserves to retire like a true champion and not as someone's stepping stone."

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Thoughts?:think:good

icemax

02-10-2010, 05:10 AM

If Beristain thinks that then he should advise his fighter to retire now

robpalmer135

02-10-2010, 05:12 AM

got a feeling this fight was never going to happen. it makes khan look good that he was prepared to fight Marquez.

now he can fight Mallignaggi or Nate Campbell.

Mazallan

02-10-2010, 05:12 AM

Hopefully he will not get put in with a bum like Maidana. Khan needs to be tested at this stage of his career.

abzmanc

02-10-2010, 05:18 AM

No way... JMM ducking Khan... :rofl

icemax

02-10-2010, 05:23 AM

No way... JMM ducking Khan... :rofl

Its a classic...i'm going to store that article away for future use over in the GF :D

Losfer_Words

02-10-2010, 05:25 AM

Hopefully he will not get put in with a bum like Maidana. Khan needs to be tested at this stage of his career.

Maidana is the easiest fight for Khan at 140. I often question if his new band of 'fans' have actually seen him fight.

No way... JMM ducking Khan... :rofl

Not really. This is just Beristain's opinion on why JMM shouldn't take the fight at this point in time. The fight has also not been signed after being negotiated for weeks now. Maybe it was never as serious a proposition as everyone assumed? Equally, the delay could just be a hiccup in negotiations.

IMO, GBP should make JMM-Katsidis next and then decide what to do. JMM is far from finished and he'll prove it yet again, IMO.

SteelTownCobra

02-10-2010, 05:42 AM

Beristain had this to say:

"....he's not fully recovered from the Mayweather fight, which was just brutal...."
:huh

icemax

02-10-2010, 05:45 AM

:huh

I second that

izmat

02-10-2010, 05:46 AM

Still think the fight will go ahead

Won't a Katsidis-JMM fight be more damaging for Marquez?

kerrminator

02-10-2010, 05:51 AM

JMM will make sure this happens now, perhaps it was reverse psychology to make sure Amir takes it. lol

I dont think the fight with PBF took much out of JMM, (the Juan Diaz fight was tougher on him imo)

Losfer_Words

02-10-2010, 05:56 AM

Still think the fight will go ahead

Won't a Katsidis-JMM fight be more damaging for Marquez?

Although extremely exciting to watch, Katsidis is wide-open and, IMO, would be a good comeback fight for JMM. Kats also doesn't possess huge amounts of power and relies on accumulation and relentlessness to wear his opponents down.

When I think about a possible Khan-JMM fight, I see a really shit mix of styles. Khan is a huge LWW and JMM's optimum weight is 135, IMO. I'd fully expect Khan to stay on the outside for the distance using his superior reach, height and speed to notch-up rounds on the end of his jab whilst hardly engaging; basically just a carbon copy of the Kotelnik fight. On the other hand, JMM would have to abandon his effective counter-punching to press the fight and this would play into Khan's hands.

Head to head JMM is unquestionably the better fighter. That said, stylistically, I think a fight with Khan wouldn't be the next best move for JMM. If JMM wants to campaign at 140, I say why not take on Bradley or the winner of Urango-Alexander?

HitmanHatton

02-10-2010, 05:57 AM

Still think the fight will go ahead

Won't a Katsidis-JMM fight be more damaging for Marquez?

Beristain probably thinks Marquez has a better chance against Katsidis and Roach does know Marquez inside out aswell.

izmat

02-10-2010, 06:18 AM

Katsidis is more open ...i'd like to see Valero vs Marquez!

ImElvis666

02-10-2010, 06:20 AM

Katsidis is more open ...i'd like to see Valero vs Marquez!

Valero JMM would be an awesome fight. As much of an animal Valero is, I think JMM would school him over 12 rounds.

onourway

02-10-2010, 06:23 AM

Marquez ducking Khan is priceless.

It's only 12-18 months ago that this would have been seen as a walkover for Marquez.

robpalmer135

02-10-2010, 06:25 AM

Beristain probably thinks Marquez has a better chance against Katsidis and Roach does know Marquez inside out aswell.

Roach know him inside out.............if you ask me Marquez beat Pacquiao twice.

HitmanHatton

02-10-2010, 06:27 AM

Roach know him inside out.............if you ask me Marquez beeat Pacquiao twice.

Maybe so but Roach will still know his weaknesses and strengths.

Darni187

02-10-2010, 06:41 AM

Valero JMM would be an awesome fight. As much of an animal Valero is, I think JMM would school him over 12 rounds.

I agree if JMM does not fight Khan he should fight Valero , i think JMM would expose Valero's style. As for JMM not fighting Khan its the right move, Khan is just too big for him and even i would not like a warrior like JMM be used as a steping stone. JMM should stay at 135 thats where he belongs and would be most effective.

robpalmer135

02-10-2010, 07:30 AM

Marquez, Diaz, Katsidis, Funeka, Valero any of the those 5 against each other its going to be a quality fight.

add guys like Guzman even mitchell and murray comign through. Lightweight it hot.

i dont get the obsession with moving up in weight. would rather see guys dominate there division for years like Calzaghe did

ScouseLad

02-10-2010, 07:33 AM

Steve Kim says Katsidis is being considered for Khan.

robpalmer135

02-10-2010, 07:41 AM

Steve Kim says Katsidis is being considered for Khan.

would be pretty pissed of if this fight happend.

GazOC

02-10-2010, 07:52 AM

So the fight that was never actually "on" now perhaps may be "off"??;)

Mazallan

02-10-2010, 07:59 AM

God damn coward Mexican knows he is going to take the biggest beating of his adult life.

HitmanHatton

02-10-2010, 08:04 AM

would be pretty pissed of if this fight happend.

Whys that??, people have been saying on here that Katsidis should face Hatton, if Katsidis is good enough for Hatton, hes good enough for Khan.

boxing4eva

02-10-2010, 08:09 AM

Katsidis Vs Khan... Hmm

I would probably prefer this to the Marquez fight as at least we know Katsidis can bang, though I would much rather see Katsidis Vs Hatton.

boxing4eva

02-10-2010, 08:10 AM

Whys that??, people have been saying on here that Katsidis should face Hatton, if Katsidis is good enough for Hatton, hes good enough for Khan.

To roll it out for the 9000th time, 'styles make fights' . Hatton Katsidis would be an all out slugfest we assume. Wheras put either of them against Khan and it would probably go the way of the Hit & run blueprint that roach has made for Khan

HitmanHatton

02-10-2010, 08:13 AM

To roll it out for the 9000th time, 'styles make fights' . Hatton Katsidis would be an all out slugfest we assume. Wheras put either of them against Khan and it would probably go the way of the Hit & run blueprint that roach has made for Khan

Katsidis has the power though to hurt Khan which alot of people on here want Khan to face, someone with decent power.

abzmanc

02-10-2010, 08:23 AM

To roll it out for the 9000th time, 'styles make fights' . Hatton Katsidis would be an all out slugfest we assume. Wheras put either of them against Khan and it would probably go the way of the Hit & run blueprint that roach has made for Khan

Why is a slugfest any better than a fight in which one fighter boxes intelligently, and possibly more skillfully?

boxing4eva

02-10-2010, 08:31 AM

Why is a slugfest any better than a fight in which one fighter boxes intelligently, and possibly more skillfully?

Irrelevent of whether it's 'better', It's just what people consider more entertaining, casual boxing fans especially. I was once getting a friend into boxing and was going through Mayweather's bouts and he said "Are there any decent mayweather fights or are they all boring'

As to why, I don't know really as I'm not a psychologist.

Mandanda

02-10-2010, 08:32 AM

Fair play to Bernstein. I'm glad this call has been made. Mayweather beat him up clinically that night and even against Juan Diaz he was getting hit a lot. He hasn't had it easy recently so i think they made right call not throwing him straight back in to top level.

Mandanda

02-10-2010, 08:33 AM

got a feeling this fight was never going to happen. it makes khan look good that he was prepared to fight Marquez.

now he can fight Mallignaggi or Nate Campbell.
I read last night Campbell and Ortiz have agreed to fight.

boxing4eva

02-10-2010, 08:40 AM

onourway

02-10-2010, 08:41 AM

Khan must be close to P4P#1.

General forum are saying Marquez is too small and will get outclassed.

And Katsidis known banger and somebody who people say will cause Hatton fits will get outboxed and it's a pointless fight.

Who is good enough to face P4P Champion Khan?

Losfer_Words

02-10-2010, 08:42 AM

Yeah, the options are pretty limited for Khan as everyone is booked up.

That is unless they agree to co-promote with Dibella for Mallignaggi. He could possibly fight Kendal Holt on May15th. He's fighting on the 27th of this month, assuming he wins that should be enough time.

Failing that they might have to start looking at Lightweights.. or dare i say it.. Welterweights

In less than three weeks the winner of Alexander-Urango will be available. I will be very dissapointed if Khan doesn't fight the winner of that fight or Malignaggi seeing as everyone else seems to be tied up around 140.

robpalmer135

02-10-2010, 08:44 AM

theres no way they put Khan in with a guy like Holt.

Lazarus

02-10-2010, 08:47 AM

The fights not off, yet. ODLH is trying to sort it out.

onourway

02-10-2010, 08:48 AM

The fights not off, yet. ODLH is trying to sort it out.

What's the point?

Maequez's trainer has already told the world Khan will win, how can he motivate Marquez now?

boxing4eva

02-10-2010, 08:50 AM

Mandanda

02-10-2010, 08:55 AM

Khan is due to return to the wildcard in 3 weeks to begin training so that could fit in.

This entire argument about , why is Katsidis good enough for Hatton but not for Khan. For me personally, I'd like Hatton to fight Katsidis because I think Hatton would win and it would be good to watch, and one for him to retire on whilst giving the fans a fight in Manchester.

Katsidis can punch, but I just don't think he is world class. Against Khan who IMO is an 'Okay' fighter with world class speed, I think he'd lose badly.

It was only 5 fights ago or so that Graham Earl fought Katsidis, and Katsidis did win, but went down in the process. Khan dispatched Earl in under a minute I believe.
Earl dropped Katsidis as Katsidis was looking to finish and countered him..really just a flash knockdown..wasn't hurt just careless and Earl landed a sweet shot.

Reason Khan blitzed Earl is a lot to do with Katsidis...Earl was shot to pieces when he fought Khan and Khan has the ability to explode from first bell. The Earl that fought Katsidis had a bit left in tank and they went to war and i think that war was one to many for Earl and never was same again. Katsidis has improved a fair bit since.

Lazarus

02-10-2010, 08:58 AM

What's the point?

Maequez's trainer has already told the world Khan will win, how can he motivate Marquez now?

Money talks my friend. Who would Marquez take and get as big purse?

Against Katsidis? No..
Against Valero? Yes, but I see Marquez getting destroyed in that.
Against Hatton? Yeah, probably a good fight for him but I don't see him taking it.

loughlan

02-10-2010, 10:12 AM

ed7890

02-10-2010, 10:43 AM

Happy this fight isn't happening. There's no need to for JMM to be talking on guys with a big size advantage over him at this stage in his career, he's got nothing to prove.

He can defend his LW title and let Khan face one of the big names at 140.

ImElvis666

02-10-2010, 10:43 AM

Whats wrong with just fighting his mandatory??What better way to start his career in the US than taking on Maidana and showing everyone that he is not ducking the fight.The big money fights can wait until he has proved himself...

Exactly. If he wants to impress he should stop being a pussy and fight Maidana. The Marquez fight was a reasonable enough alternative but now if he fights some nobody he is going to be the laughing stock of boxing and rightfully so.

ed7890

02-10-2010, 10:44 AM

ImElvis666

02-10-2010, 10:45 AM

loughlan

02-10-2010, 10:49 AM

Racist!!

:lol:

'Ben'

02-10-2010, 12:32 PM

Good. Urango-Alexander winner seems good to me, or what about going back to Maidana?

JIM KELLY

02-10-2010, 12:47 PM

i was looking forward to it for some reason!

Grievesy

02-10-2010, 01:14 PM

Thank fuck!!!!

JMM should move down to 135, not 140. That's pretty much the limit of where he would be effective imo. Katsidis would be a good fight. Also the hype for Valero has got even bigger and I still think JMM will crush that hype should the fight be made.

kosaros

02-10-2010, 01:29 PM

Earl dropped Katsidis as Katsidis was looking to finish and countered him..really just a flash knockdown..wasn't hurt just careless and Earl landed a sweet shot.

This is a bit of a myth flying around here recently :yep Katsidis was certainly hurt by the punch :thumbsup

Back on topic, I am glad that the fight is off - didn't like the match-up in the first place, but if its replaced by Malignaggi.........:dead

Mazallan

02-10-2010, 01:36 PM

Anyone know where GBP want his next fight to be? Do they want to crack America or will they keep him in Britain?

Grievesy

02-10-2010, 01:47 PM

This is a bit of a myth flying around here recently :yep Katsidis was certainly hurt by the punch :thumbsup

Back on topic, I am glad that the fight is off - didn't like the match-up in the first place, but if its replaced by Malignaggi.........:dead

You don't think Malignaggi is a good opponent? I know he's feather fisted and all and people will see it as good matchmaking, but he is a decent operator and easily a top 10 LWW.

boxing4eva

02-10-2010, 01:50 PM

Anyone know where GBP want his next fight to be? Do they want to crack America or will they keep him in Britain?

Khan will now be fighting in the US for the time being. Although as I understand it he will only be in the USA whilst in training and fighting. He hasn't moved there like some of the media has reported.

kosaros

02-10-2010, 01:53 PM

You don't think Malignaggi is a good opponent? I know he's feather fisted and all and people will see it as good matchmaking, but he is a decent operator and easily a top 10 LWW.

He is a good fighter certainly, but TBH I don't see anyone (apart from possibly Bradley) who could beat Khan on points at light-welter IMO. So I feel that Malignaggi would not have much of a chance.

boxing4eva

02-10-2010, 02:00 PM

He is a good fighter certainly, but TBH I don't see anyone (apart from possibly Bradley) who could beat Khan on points at light-welter IMO. So I feel that Malignaggi would not have much of a chance.

Kosaros, I really don't see how things like that can be said about Khan. Because he's fought no real opposition other than a Euro level Kotelnik. All we do know is that he has good speed with potential. Until he fights more at a high level we certainly can't say statements like that

Grievesy

02-10-2010, 02:05 PM

He is a good fighter certainly, but TBH I don't see anyone (apart from possibly Bradley) who could beat Khan on points at light-welter IMO. So I feel that Malignaggi would not have much of a chance.

Perhaps, but he'd be the best boxer Khan has faced yet. I don't think he should be written off as an opponent, regardless of whether he is likely to lose, especially on Khan's American debut. I'd be pretty content with Khan facing any top 10 light welter tbh.

Darni187

02-10-2010, 02:06 PM

Kosaros, I really don't see how things like that can be said about Khan. Because he's fought no real opposition other than a Euro level Kotelnik. All we do know is that he has good speed with potential. Until he fights more at a high level we certainly can't say statements like that

Apart from Khan getting caught on the chin and going down, I dont see many fighters out pointing him. The guys handspeed is a blurr, Khan is yet to lose even a round under Roach. Khan is a great fencer, he uses his reach and speed to great effect.

kosaros

02-10-2010, 02:07 PM

Kosaros, I really don't see how things like that can be said about Khan. Because he's fought no real opposition other than a Euro level Kotelnik. All we do know is that he has good speed with potential. Until he fights more at a high level we certainly can't say statements like that

And why not? Can I not say that fighters like Rigondeaux or Lara won't be world champions 'because they have not fought a world class opponent'? With Khan's super fast hands and stamina he is incredibly difficult to beat on points unless you knock him down a couple of times.

Darni187

02-10-2010, 02:10 PM

And why not? Can I not say that fighters like Rigondeaux or Lara won't be world champions 'because they have not fought a world class opponent'? With Khan's super fast hands and stamina he is incredibly difficult to beat on points unless you knock him down a couple of times.

Dont copy me :yep :good

boxing4eva

02-10-2010, 02:21 PM

Apart from Khan getting caught on the chin and going down, I dont see many fighters out pointing him. The guys handspeed is a blurr, Khan is yet to lose even a round under Roach. Khan is a great fencer, he uses his reach and speed to great effect.

Yes but who's he fought in that time..

A few rounds with Barrera, Kotenik & 1 with Salita

Your saying you don't see many fighters outpointing him because of his speed. But because we've yet to see him fight at a world class level, we just don't know if speed is enough.

You might be a amatuer boxer and have super fast world class hand speed, doesn't mean your going to clean up your division at the world level.

My point is, until we see him in with decent opposition, we just don't know

Losfer_Words

02-10-2010, 02:24 PM

Personally, I think Malignaggi is one of the hardest fights out there for Khan. Stylistically, how would Khan fare against a slickster like Malignaggi? I honestly think Malignaggi and Bradley are the two best fighters in the division and if Khan wants to be considered the best in the division, he has to beat at least one of them. Plenty of good fights out there for him anyway, IMO.

As for JMM, I hope he goes back to 135 as he can still rule that division for many years to come, IMO. Valero is made for him.

Toontoon

02-10-2010, 02:45 PM

Steve Kim says Katsidis is being considered for Khan.

Another lightweight?:patsch

HitmanHatton

02-10-2010, 03:08 PM

Another lightweight?:patsch

Who people were saying is perfectly alright for Ricky Hatton but not for Khan, I dont get that, I bet your one of them people no matter what Khan does, it wont be good enough for you.

royalt0208

02-10-2010, 04:17 PM

Not Katsidis please, what I want to see is Katsidis-Marquez and Khan-Maidana as that last one can't happen I would like to see Khan-Mallignaggi. But please make it like that I don't want to see Khan-Katsidis that is a crap matchup when you look at both of their available options.

doylexxx

02-10-2010, 05:45 PM

the search for non puncher continues Paulie JMM anybody nice and small with no punch please

VanillaKilla

02-10-2010, 05:48 PM

Who people were saying is perfectly alright for Ricky Hatton but not for Khan, I dont get that, I bet your one of them people no matter what Khan does, it wont be good enough for you.

hatton is shot, and his career is almost over. Its ok for him to have a light fight, hes got nothin to prove

kahn on the other hand, is calling out light weights, super feathers ect.... and none of the top 5 guys in his division.

Khan is a masterful hype job by ******. He is a paper champ, who calls out people from lower weight classes, and dosent want to fight tough guys from his own division. And when he fought a good puncher(not a good fighter a good puncher) he got exposed.....

Thats why khan is a fucking joke

DOM5153

02-10-2010, 06:08 PM

hatton is shot, and his career is almost over. Its ok for him to have a light fight, hes got nothin to prove

kahn on the other hand, is calling out light weights, super feathers ect.... and none of the top 5 guys in his division.

Khan is a masterful hype job by ******. He is a paper champ, who calls out people from lower weight classes, and dosent want to fight tough guys from his own division. And when he fought a good puncher(not a good fighter a good puncher) he got exposed.....

Thats why khan is a fucking joke

none of what you just said made any sense whatsoever apart from ****** hyping him up:good

BoroBoxing1

02-10-2010, 06:23 PM

I think Katsidis is fighting Diaz, I want Khan to just fight some one world class, I would like to see him in with any of the top lightwelters or Katsidis, I think the way Katsidis fight i dont think Khan would be able to keep him off for 12 rounds.

kerrminator

02-10-2010, 07:39 PM

Beristain probably thinks Marquez has a better chance against Katsidis and Roach does know Marquez inside out aswell.

He doesnt know him well enough though, his fighter is one of the best in the world and couldnt beat JMM after 2 attempts lol :lol:

kerrminator

02-10-2010, 07:59 PM

Katsidis KO's Khan imo. JMM outclasses him (im surprised at how underrated he is on this forum) and Malignaggi is as fast as Khan imo and has the advantage in experience.

In fact Maidana is the easiest option for him.

remember, if Limond and Michael Gomez (super featherweights) can trouble him then world class fighters should be able to do it too i'd thinkl

Darni187

02-10-2010, 08:52 PM

Yes but who's he fought in that time..

A few rounds with Barrera, Kotenik & 1 with Salita

Your saying you don't see many fighters outpointing him because of his speed. But because we've yet to see him fight at a world class level, we just don't know if speed is enough.

You might be a amatuer boxer and have super fast world class hand speed, doesn't mean your going to clean up your division at the world level.

My point is, until we see him in with decent opposition, we just don't know

Yes we are yet to see Khan vs real world class fighters that is true. Under Roach i think Khan is learning to control his speed and use it at the right times. Its called timing, Khan needs to improve his timing, once he has started doing that, we will see good things happen.

But your right we dont know what will happen when he fights real world class fighters, but now he is with GBP we will soon find out.

Watson2005

02-10-2010, 09:10 PM

Yes we are yet to see Khan vs real world class fighters that is true. Under Roach i think Khan is learning to control his speed and use it at the right times. Its called timing, Khan needs to improve his timing, once he has started doing that, we will see good things happen.

what are you talking about??? Khan shouldn't use his speed all the time??? WTF?! Also, This is not called timing! Timing is when you make your fist meet a moving target i.e the opponents chin! Not deciding when to be quick and when not to be!

D-MAC

02-11-2010, 04:06 PM