Top 10 Non-Hall of Fame Boxers of All-Time

[asero]

after finally llyod marshall and red lopez made it to the HOF, it is now time to look for the best fighter that is yet to be inducted in the HOF. To me, it's Chris Eubank

consider only those are are eligible for induction and those that are not in the IBHOF list.

Here is my Top 10 List:
1. Chris Eubank
2. Nigel Benn
3. Naseem Hamed
4. Tiger Jack Fox
5. Young Jack Thompson
6. Hilario Zapata
7. Ernesto Marcel
8. Michael Nunn
9. Jiro Watanabe
10. Myung Woo Yuh


Next 20:
Rosendo Alvarez
Yoko Gushiken
Eddie Booker
Masao Obha
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Donald Curry
Ceferino Garcia
Steve Collins
Davey Moore
Horacio Accavallo
Peter Kane
Mike O'Dowd
Santos Laciar
Harry Jeffra
Iran Barkley
Pone Kingpetch
Kid Azteca
Kid Cocoa
Ken Overlin
Johnny Famechon
Sammy Serrano
Joey Archer
Ray mancini
Julian Jackson
Sumbu Kalambay
Gerald Mcclelan
Meldrick taylor
Lionel Rose
Dave Sands
Jimmy Carruthers
Frankie Burns
Memphis Pal Moore
Luisito Espinosa
Buddy Mcgirt




I feel that the above top 20 fighters are more deserving that brian mitchell and barry mcguigan.

[Mantequilla]

Alvarez doesn't belong on that list.Neither in talent nor accomplishment.

[MAG1965]

Virgil Hill will be in there, but he has not been out of boxing very long. I am not sure if Donald Curry will make it in the Hall of Fame. Is he in there already? I really do not know. I think Donald should make it in. Very good welterweight. Davey Moore? The one who fought Duran no,since the featherweight is in the Hall of Fame I think. I saw that on the list. No way. Iran Barkley has a better chance of getting into the hall by being a 3 time champ, but not Davey Moore of the 1980s.

[anarci]

One glaring omission. Donald Curry!

[Seamus]

Jack Johnson
Rocky Marciano
Ken Buchanan
Ray Leonard
Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
Sam McVea
Barney Ross
Peter Maher
Charles Liston

[asero]

Virgil Hill will be in there, but he has not been out of boxing very long. I am not sure if Donald Curry will make it in the Hall of Fame. Is he in there already? I really do not know. I think Donald should make it in. Very good welterweight. Davey Moore? The one who fought Duran no,since the featherweight is in the Hall of Fame I think. I saw that on the list. No way. Iran Barkley has a better chance of getting into the hall by being a 3 time champ, but not Davey Moore of the 1980s.

Donald Curry?
i feel oscar larios is more deserving in making it than curry.

Davey moore of 60s, the one who lost to sugar ramos and died due to brain injuries amidst the kid paret tradedy.

Virgil his was denied once to get inducted three years ago

[anarci]

Donald Curry?
i feel oscar larios is more deserving in making it than curry.

Davey moore of 60s, the one who lost to sugar ramos and died due to brain injuries amidst the kid paret tradedy.

Virgil his was denied once to get inducted three years ago


Do you homework Asero, Virgil Hill has been retired for less than 3 years you have to be retired for 5 to be considered.
Oscar Larios has more longevity than Curry but Curry was better fighter in his prime Curry at one time was considered #2 PFP only behind A PRIme Hagler, some even rated him above Hagler. Larios never considered a pfp guy. Curry was also a 2 time champ.

Virgil Hill will get in one day,probably not first ballot but he wont have to wait to long.
FW Davey Moore is borderline, but might not get in.

[WhataRock]

Do you homework Asero, Virgil Hill has been retired for less than 3 years you have to be retired for 5 to be considered.
Oscar Larios has more longevity than Curry but Curry was better fighter in his prime Curry at one time was considered #2 PFP only behind A PRIme Hagler, some even rated him above Hagler. Larios never considered a pfp guy. Curry was also a 2 time champ.

Virgil Hill will get in one day,probably not first ballot but he wont have to wait to long.
FW Davey Moore is borderline, but might not get in.

Ah but anarci your forgetting your Aserometry...Oscar Larios is a scalp on Manny Pacquiao's record, therefore his standing is much higher then usual to elevate Manny.

Just like Sasukul is a top 5 flyweight alltime and David Diaz is the next coming of Lew Tendler....And Eder Jofre is overrated because then that makes Fighting Harada's resume look weaker and therefore Manny Pacquiao surpassed him as the greatest asian fighter when he beat Nedal Hussein.

Simple Aserometry my friend.

[asero]

Do you homework Asero, Virgil Hill has been retired for less than 3 years you have to be retired for 5 to be considered.
Oscar Larios has more longevity than Curry but Curry was better fighter in his prime Curry at one time was considered #2 PFP only behind A PRIme Hagler, some even rated him above Hagler. Larios never considered a pfp guy. Curry was also a 2 time champ.

Virgil Hill will get in one day,probably not first ballot but he wont have to wait to long.
FW Davey Moore is borderline, but might not get in.


mijares was once top 5-7 p4p fighter but was a fraud.

[anarci]

mijares was once top 5-7 p4p fighter but was a fraud.

Yey but never #2 like Curry, and that era was stacked.

Also Curry wasnt a fraud.. Just a short prime and drained against Honeyghan.

I think Mijares was a good fighter although being ranked 5 to 7 was a little high.

[anarci]

Ah but anarci your forgetting your Aserometry...Oscar Larios is a scalp on Manny Pacquiao's record, therefore his standing is much higher then usual to elevate Manny.

Just like Sasukul is a top 5 flyweight alltime and David Diaz is the next coming of Lew Tendler....And Eder Jofre is overrated because then that makes Fighting Harada's resume look weaker and therefore Manny Pacquiao surpassed him as the greatest asian fighter when he beat Nedal Hussein.

Simple Aserometry my friend.:yep Yep asero should know that every one can see through his motives in his ranking of fighters,that have any connection to Pac or his opponents.

[asero]

:yep Yep asero should know that every one can see through his motives in his ranking of fighters,that have any connection to Pac or his opponents.

Larios was not a world class fighter when he fought larios. That has no weight to pacquiao's standing.

Just look at his 122 career and i would show that he has a better resume that donald curry

[anarci]

Camacho is not eligibel until 2015.

[asero]

Camacho is not eligibel until 2015.

thanks

[asero]

damn, i missed ernesto marcel

[sweet_scientist]

Ernesto Marcel and Joey Archer. Two guys that would box the shit out of half the guys in their divisions already with HOF status.

And on a parochial note, I want to see Johnny Famechon and Lionel Rose in there too, because they too could box rings around some of the guys in the IBHOF.

[ricardinho]

after finally llyod marshall and red lopez made it to the HOF, it is now time to look for the best fighter that is yet to be inducted in the HOF. To me, it's Chris Eubank

consider only those are are eligible for induction and those that are not in the IBHOF list.

Here is my Top 10 List:
1. Chris Eubank
2. Nigel Benn
3. Naseem Hamed
4. Tiger Jack Fox
5. Young Jack Thompson
6. Hilario Zapata
7. Ernesto Marcel
8. Michael Nunn
9. Jiro Watanabe
10. Myung Woo Yuh


Next 20:
Rosendo Alvarez
Yoko Gushiken
Eddie Perkins
Eddie Booker
Masao Obha
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Ceferino Garcia
Davey Moore
Horacio Accavallo
Peter Kane

Mike O'Dowd
Santos Laciar
Pone Kingpetch
Ray Mancini
Kid Azteca

Julian Jackson
Ken Overlin
Joey Archer
Kid Cocoa
Johnny Famechon


I feel that the above top 20 fighters are more deserving that brian mitchell and barry mcguigan.


Kid Azteca is in the Hall of Fame

[anarci]

Kid Azteca is in the Hall of Fame

He is in the WBHOF but not the IBHOF.

[anarci]

after finally llyod marshall and red lopez made it to the HOF, it is now time to look for the best fighter that is yet to be inducted in the HOF. To me, it's Chris Eubank

consider only those are are eligible for induction and those that are not in the IBHOF list.

Here is my Top 10 List:
1. Chris Eubank
2. Nigel Benn
3. Naseem Hamed
4. Tiger Jack Fox
5. Young Jack Thompson
6. Hilario Zapata
7. Ernesto Marcel
8. Michael Nunn
9. Jiro Watanabe
10. Myung Woo Yuh


Next 20:
Rosendo Alvarez
Yoko Gushiken
Eddie Perkins
Eddie Booker
Masao Obha
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Ceferino Garcia
Davey Moore
Horacio Accavallo
Peter Kane

Mike O'Dowd
Santos Laciar
Pone Kingpetch
Ray Mancini
Kid Azteca

Julian Jackson
Ken Overlin
Joey Archer
Kid Cocoa
Johnny Famechon


I feel that the above top 20 fighters are more deserving that brian mitchell and barry mcguigan.


Eddie Perkins is in the HOF, Whats up Asero you are not on your game today been having to correct you left and right today.

[ricardinho]

He is in the WBHOF but not the IBHOF.

I appreciate the correction--pisses me off though its a shame because he was kept out title matches due to racism.

[asero]

We can name 20 boxers from the list above that had accomplished more than these 20 that is already in the HOF

Barry McGuigan
Billy Soose
Charley Mitchell
Curtis Cokes
Eugene Criqui
Gorilla Jones
Harry Harris
Harry Lewis
Jess Willard
Jim Braddock
Jimmy Slattery
Lew Jenkins
Len Harvey
Marcel Thil
Max Baer
Paul Berlenbach
Pedro Montanez
Rocky Kansas
Tom Sharkey
Willie Pastrano

[anarci]

I appreciate the correction--pisses me off though its a shame because he was kept out title matches due to racism. Baby Arizmendi was another Great Mexican that never got a shot. Black fighters were not the only ones held back.


Also Myung woo Yuh is overdue for induction.

[asero]

who do you think is the greatest boxer that is yet to be inducted?

[anarci]

who do you think is the greatest boxer that is yet to be inducted?
Hard to say maybe Curry but dont quote me on that but he was the first one to come to mind. There are a few others i put on par with him. Myung woo yuh too. Kid Azteca,Cocoa Kid,Santos Laciar were good shout outs too. MIchael Nunn was pretty damn good in his prime too. Jiro Watanabe.

Mark johnson isnt eligible until next year he should be a first ballot i think HTH he beats anyone at 112.

For the person who didnt think Rosendo Alvarez is worthy i disagree he was a better fighter than Barry Mcguigan and a few others in there.

[asero]

Hard to say maybe Curry but dont quote me on that but he was the first one to come to mind. There are a few others i put on par with him. Myung woo yuh too. Kid Azteca,Cocoa Kid,Santos Laciar were good shout outs too. MIchael Nunn was pretty damn good in his prime too. Jiro Watanabe.

Mark johnson isnt eligible until next year he should be a first ballot i think HTH he beats anyone at 112.

For the person who didnt think Rosendo Alvarez is worthy i disagree he was a better fighter than Barry Mcguigan and a few others in there.

How about benn and eubank? It's really hard for me to accept that terry norris is there while these two are left out

[anarci]

How about benn and eubank? It's really hard for me to accept that terry norris is there while these two are left out

I think Norris is better than those 2. Although you could make a case for Benn and Eubank but if they get in does that mean you let in Steve Collins?

Ernesto Marcel should be in ability wise but not sure if his resume is good enough, although he had some great wins(Arguello stands out).

Once they put Mcguigan in they opened the door for a lot of other fighters to get in.

[asero]

Steve Collins is another fighter i missed out

[johnmaff36]

I think people are too hard on mcguigan here. Ok he didnt have a long career but if you re-watch his fights, theres no doubt he was a good fighter. Certainly better at his own weight than some other HOFs at their own weight yet hes the first one to be mentioned when it comes to suggestions of lets say 'weaker' inductees. Just my opinion, im sure lots would disagree

[anarci]

I think people are too hard on mcguigan here. Ok he didnt have a long career but if you re-watch his fights, theres no doubt he was a good fighter. Certainly better at his own weight than some other HOFs at their own weight yet hes the first one to be mentioned when it comes to suggestions of lets say 'weaker' inductees. Just my opinion, im sure lots would disagree


Good fighter but lucky to be in the HOF. I think he has some friends on the board of directors.

[Sister Sledge]

I think people are too hard on mcguigan here. Ok he didnt have a long career but if you re-watch his fights, theres no doubt he was a good fighter. Certainly better at his own weight than some other HOFs at their own weight yet hes the first one to be mentioned when it comes to suggestions of lets say 'weaker' inductees. Just my opinion, im sure lots would disagree

How many fighters already inducted does he have a better resume than? He clearly doesn't deserve to be there.

[Mantequilla]

Hard to say maybe Curry but dont quote me on that but he was the first one to come to mind. There are a few others i put on par with him. Myung woo yuh too. Kid Azteca,Cocoa Kid,Santos Laciar were good shout outs too. MIchael Nunn was pretty damn good in his prime too. Jiro Watanabe.

Mark johnson isnt eligible until next year he should be a first ballot i think HTH he beats anyone at 112.

For the person who didnt think Rosendo Alvarez is worthy i disagree he was a better fighter than Barry Mcguigan and a few others in there.

Alvarez was a good fighter at his best for sure, but he's a bit out of place on that list.I think McGuigan was better than him to be honest, arguable though i suppose.

[johnmaff36]

How many fighters already inducted does he have a better resume than? He clearly doesn't deserve to be there.
You may have misinterpreted me. I didnt say that he deserved to be there. My point,and its only my opinion, is that when it comes to people being questioned as to the validity of being in the HOF, quite a lot point to mcguigan as,lets say, a prime example of not deserving to be there. I agree with the post above that he must have had friends in high places.

As for your question,I think hes a better resume than Len Harvey or jess willard for example but not many more IMO

[Mantequilla]

McGuigan is in because of East Coast America's homoerotic love affair with the irish.

[Duodenum]

I completely agree with Tiger Jack Fox. I expect Archer and Marcel to be inducted shortly into the IBHOF. While I don't know that he truly would belong, Satterfield's colorful kill or be killed reputation as a china chinned bomber might eventually allow him to leapfrog a lowered bar. Cocoa Kid belongs. Wonder about Jack Chase. Arguello felt strongly that Escalera should be in Canastota.

The inclusion of Len Harvey may pave the way for Nel Tarleton's entry. (Nella recorded over 30 15 round decision wins, a couple of 15th round stoppages, won Lonsdale belts in 1936 and 1945, went out a winner as Commonwealth and BBBofC FW Champion at age 39, and was never stopped in 146 fights, all while competing with a single lung!)

[GPater11093]

Davey Moore (The original Featherweight one)

[Duodenum]

Davey Moore (The original Featherweight one)Agreed. The Springfield Rifle belongs in there.

[GPater11093]

Agreed. The Springfield Rifle belongs in there.

I read a great article by Dan Cuoco on him and he definitly belongs in the Hall.

[Seamus]

McGuigan is in because of East Coast America's homoerotic love affair with the irish.

Post of the Day, Week and maybe Year.

[asero]

Harry Jeffra deserves a shout