Montiel & Melendez just put on the FOTY.

[nervousxtian]

...and it doesn't look like any of you so-called fans actually watched the damn fight. :patsch

[Mistadobalina]

i don't have VS, i'm sorry :(

[nervousxtian]

Well. This kind of makes my point about alot of the so-called fans who call this place home.

Only give a shit about the fighters they nuthug, and aren't really fans of the sport.

I swear some of the posters on here are probably paid by the promoters to shill the big name fighters.

[Mistadobalina]

Well. This kind of makes my point about alot of the so-called fans who call this place home.

Only give a shit about the fighters they nuthug, and aren't really fans of the sport.

I swear some of the posters on here are probably paid by the promoters to shill the big name fighters.

you mean like that douche they pay to yell real loud and talk shit at all the winky fights? "TAYYYYLOOORRR!!!!.....AMATEURRRRRRR!!!" :lol:

[chimba]

My Boy Conception won again..climbing up

[tays001]

who won i'll have to catch it on indammand?

[nervousxtian]

Montiel by TKO in the 12th round.

Both guys hit the canvas though, and both took huge leather in a give and take fight.

[tays001]

Montiel by TKO in the 12th round.

Both guys hit the canvas though, and both took huge leather in a give and take fight.

dam i can't wait to get home:happy

[nervousxtian]

It was an outstanding fight, Montiel struggles with southpaws, and a lot of time orthodox vs southpaw doesn't always provide the best action, but with both guys winging shots, it was all action.

At times Melendez looked like he was going to take over, and that boy has a ROCK SOLID chin, I mean granite... it must of took 12 solid power shots to a wobbly Melendez to take him down the first time.

..and the shot Melendez landed on Montiel was a peach.. though I don't think he was in as bad of trouble as the commentators made it out to be, he made a veteran move in staying down for the 9 count and regaining his composure, I thought he took the rest of the round, though he was visibly shaken, but I thought he hurt Melendez a few times again that round.

Just an excellent excellent title fight.

[nervousxtian]

Fuck your bullshit. I care about 3 things, sports wise...The NY Yankees, NY Jets, and boxing.

You think i'm less of a boxing fan because i pass up a Versus Fight Night and instead watch the Yankees in a playoff game? And yea, the Yanks got pounded, whatever.

That game was over in time to catch the fight. Don't give me that shit.

[philip_jp]

fuck off

[Toopretty]

Montiel wears them short ass trunks..watch him if you want to. You might see a ball slip out. If you dont got VS.. you dont have fucking VS. 98% of the fights on there are below Shobox the next generation and Wednesday night fights. Not even the most die hard fan would subject themselves to eye poison. Like watching fucking College boxing. I almost died watching that crap.

[Toopretty]

...and it doesn't look like any of you so-called fans actually watched the damn fight. :patsch

Montiel is always in a good fight, But I refuse to watch his tight ass short old school underwear trunks. He needs to loosen that shit up.

[nervousxtian]

Montiel wears them short ass trunks..watch him if you want to. You might see a ball slip out. If you dont got VS.. you dont have fucking VS. 98% of the fights on there are below Shobox the next generation and Wednesday night fights. Not even the most die hard fan would subject themselves to eye poison. Like watching fucking College boxing. I almost died watching that crap.

That's bullshit.

Showtime shows some weak ass fights all the damn time. Shobox shows are routinley worse than WNF and almost always worse than FNF.

Vs. has shown some REALLY good fights over the last few years.

If you didn't watch this fight, you missed a great one.

You can call it eye posion, but whatever. You can fucking have Perez and Federov and Bey vs Gonzalez all you want.

[Toopretty]

That's bullshit.

Showtime shows some weak ass fights all the damn time. Shobox shows are routinley worse than WNF and almost always worse than FNF.

Vs. has shown some REALLY good fights over the last few years.

If you didn't watch this fight, you missed a great one.

You can call it eye posion, but whatever. You can fucking have Perez and Federov and Bey vs Gonzalez all you want.

I had VS free for a month and it was the worst ball room bullshit fights and fighters that I have ever fucking seen. Shit.even the MMA was cornball. VS = cornball boxing. It is far below Showtime or Espn anything.

[kg0208]

...and it doesn't look like any of you so-called fans actually watched the damn fight. :patsch
Yes, I am sorry to say I didn't watch the fight and therefore am not a real fan. I mean, fuck the Psych paper I have due tomorrow to help get my doctorate. And even more so, what the hell is my problem dropping $50 to watch a boxing match this weekend!!? No real fan would ever do that....

Point is, I think your accusation is a wild jump to a crazy conclusion.

[Zakman]

That's bullshit.

Showtime shows some weak ass fights all the damn time. Shobox shows are routinley worse than WNF and almost always worse than FNF.

Vs. has shown some REALLY good fights over the last few years.

If you didn't watch this fight, you missed a great one.

You can call it eye posion, but whatever. You can fucking have Perez and Federov and Bey vs Gonzalez all you want.

100 percent agree on all of this. This was an EXCELLENT fight - two solid pros, competing at a high level, in a give and take battle where BOTH guys hit the canvas.

And while this has probably been the best fight I've seen on VS. since they started their show last year, they have had quite a few decent cards, and it is VERY much on the level of what ESPN shows, and in several instances, better.

When I was watching this fight I was thinking to myself "now THIS is why I LOVE boxing." It was that kinda fight!:yep

[nervousxtian]

You got to be joking.

Kid Diamond vs Miguel Huerta, Omar Nino vs Brian Viloria, Pavlik vs Pierre, Solis vs Grigsby.

Some title fights, some contenders, not a bad network at all.

The WEC btw is almost always more entertaining than the UFC events, and they have one of the best fighters out their in Urijah Faber.

[nervousxtian]

When I was watching this fight I was thinking to myself "now THIS is why I LOVE boxing." It was that kinda fight!:yep

Exactly bro. Same damn thought I had.

[nervousxtian]

Versus (formerly OLN)

..another plus for Versus over ESPN is no Teddy Atlas, and a plus over FSN is no stupid ass Chris Rose, John Sally, and fat James Toney.

[Zakman]

You're a fucking idiot then.

Kid Diamond vs Miguel Huerta, Omar Nino vs Brian Viloria, Pavlik vs Pierre, Solis vs Grigsby.

Some title fights, some contenders, not a bad network at all.

The WEC btw is almost always more entertaining than the UFC events, and they have one of the best fighters out their in Urijah Faber.

Uh, I agree with you!! :lol:

Seriously - every one of those fights was decent. I'd add Pavlik's destruction of McKart in there too. Sure, there were a few HW stinkers featuring Tye Fields and Rahman - which are probably the fights these naysayers watched, btw - but overall, the quality of the Versus fights were at least as good as typical ESPN fare.

[nervousxtian]

... the fucking idiot comment wasn't towards you.. it was towards Toopretty and his derogatory remarks about the networks boxing cards.

Forgot Mckart vs Pavlik was on Vs... that was a great fight as well.

[Amsterdam]

Well. This kind of makes my point about alot of the so-called fans who call this place home.

Only give a shit about the fighters they nuthug, and aren't really fans of the sport.

I swear some of the posters on here are probably paid by the promoters to shill the big name fighters.

So you're more of a fan because you watched this one?

What about people who just didn't have any interest in this card looking from the outside, that makes them lesser fans and nuthuggers because of it?

Guess what, I caught the card, it was a very good scrap even though you are overreacting, but I wouldn't have blamed someone if they weren't interested OR EVEN didn't have the fucking channel in it outright and therefore missed it, that wouldn't make them lesser fans, but why am I bothering with someone who is content with praising mediocrity to begin with half the time and then acts like people who don't praise the mediocrity are what is wrong with boxing?

There are plenty of cable cards on ESPN or VS that didn't seem like they'd be much but turned out to be highly entertaining, I've missed several, so have you. Grow up you little cunt.

[chimba]

So you're more of a fan because you watched this one?

What about people who just didn't have any interest in this card looking from the outside, that makes them lesser fans and nuthuggers because of it?

Guess what, I caught the card, it was a very good scrap even though you are overreacting, but I wouldn't have blamed someone if they weren't interested OR EVEN didn't have the fucking channel in it outright and therefore missed it, that wouldn't make them lesser fans, but why am I bothering with someone who is content with praising mediocrity to begin with half the time and then acts like people who don't praise the mediocrity are what is wrong with boxing?

There are plenty of cable cards on ESPN or VS that didn't seem like they'd be much but turned out to be highly entertaining, I've missed several, so have you. Grow up you little cunt.

I caught the card too but wasnt that impressed with teh main even either. It was good but cmon.. The Conception fight was better

[Amsterdam]

Yes, I am sorry to say I didn't watch the fight and therefore am not a real fan. I mean, fuck the Psych paper I have due tomorrow to help get my doctorate. And even more so, what the hell is my problem dropping $50 to watch a boxing match this weekend!!? No real fan would ever do that....

Point is, I think your accusation is a wild jump to a crazy conclusion.

Exactly, he also bitches at people who call a true glass jaw, such as that Bernard Dunne was it, as an example of one of the many problems with the sport right now.

Guess he doesn't understand comparable analysation and then the exploitative side of boxing politics.

[nervousxtian]

No I'm calling them so-callled fans because they basically come on here to shill their fighters, much the way you do.

Anyone who thought Montiel vs Melendez was going to be a mediocre fight isn't much of a fan of boxing.

..about analyzation... fuck that shit. I'm in it to enjoy the fights, not sit here and try to analyze a bunch of hypothetical bullshit fights like you do that won't ever happen.

If you called that a very good scrap, I don't know why you're a fan of the sport.

..and I'm not out of line to assume people who'd post on a BOXING specific message board should actually be fans of... umm.. boxing.

[kg0208]

No I'm calling them so-callled fans because they basically come on here to shill their fighters, much the way you do.

Anyone who thought Montiel vs Melendez was going to be a mediocre fight isn't much of a fan of boxing.

..about analyzation... fuck that shit. I'm in it to enjoy the fights, not sit here and try to analyze a bunch of hypothetical bullshit fights like you do that won't ever happen.

If you called that a very good scrap, I don't know why you're a fan of the sport.

..and I'm not out of line to assume people who'd post on a BOXING specific message board should actually be fans of... umm.. boxing.

You can be a fan in different ways. You are broadstroaking here. Some are analytical, some are in it just to watch brutal displays. It's this way with any sport. Your view is not the only view, and those of us who didn't watch it for whatever reason doesn't mean we are "so-called" fans.

[Toopretty]

No I'm calling them so-callled fans because they basically come on here to shill their fighters, much the way you do.

Anyone who thought Montiel vs Melendez was going to be a mediocre fight isn't much of a fan of boxing.

..about analyzation... fuck that shit. I'm in it to enjoy the fights, not sit here and try to analyze a bunch of hypothetical bullshit fights like you do that won't ever happen.

If you called that a very good scrap, I don't know why you're a fan of the sport.

..and I'm not out of line to assume people who'd post on a BOXING specific message board should actually be fans of... umm.. boxing.

Most people dont keep guys at 112 pounds or whatever weight Montiel the biker shorts tight ass trunks wearing boxer fights at. There arent Montiel fans. I cant watch his stupid ass for wearing gay trunks. But he is a fighter and a gutsy one with skill. Melendez I dont know shit about and is probably nothing special at fucking all. And by the way. Marquez Mabuza on showtime probably takes a huge shit on the fight you watch.

[chimba]

You can be a fan in different ways. You are broadstroaking here. Some are analytical, some are in it just to watch brutal displays. It's this way with any sport. Your view is not the only view, and those of us who didn't watch it for whatever reason doesn't mean we are "so-called" fans.

I think he'll watch an obscure undercard fight somewhere in Napahoe Casino down in Mississipi just to prove he knows shit... and yell to the world did you see this fight??:verysad

[Toopretty]

You can be a fan in different ways. You are broadstroaking here. Some are analytical, some are in it just to watch brutal displays. It's this way with any sport. Your view is not the only view, and those of us who didn't watch it for whatever reason doesn't mean we are "so-called" fans.

He is most defintely not articulate in the slightest and is in it for just the give and take. Yeah we like that shit, but we like SKILL too. Every fight dont have to be a fucking war. Two bum ass fighters can duke it out and put on a show..that shit does not thrill me...This goof needs to get a grip.

[Toopretty]

VS dont have shit on showtime at fucking all. Watching one good fighter knock out a sorry fighter..Oh wow....

[nervousxtian]

You can be a fan in different ways. You are broadstroaking here. Some are analytical, some are in it just to watch brutal displays. It's this way with any sport. Your view is not the only view, and those of us who didn't watch it for whatever reason doesn't mean we are "so-called" fans.

You don't got the channel, you don't got it. I'm painting wiht a broad brush because people are talking about John Fucking Ruiz and Pavlik vs (insert name) crap when a good all action title fight is showing on free TV and nobody is discussing it at all.

It's pretty sad. You got Toopretty talking shit about a fight he has even seen, and his best argument is Montiels shorts..

You don't have to be a fan of a certain fighter to enjoy their fights. How closed minded are we now?

[Amsterdam]

No I'm calling them so-callled fans because they basically come on here to shill their fighters, much the way you do.


I am a boxing fan first, I support certain guys like any other fan does and call it like I see it.


Anyone who thought Montiel vs Melendez was going to be a mediocre fight isn't much of a fan of boxing.


Some people don't know a whole lot about sub-featherweight boxing, but that doesn't mean they don't know immense amounts about featherweight and above, it could be that the lower weight classes don't interest them, could be that they haven't been exposed to it enough. I am not going to call them lesser fans either way, neither would I call someone a lesser fan for not having any interest in this particular fight.

Has nothing to do with thinking that it would be mediocre when you just don't have any interest in it, which is perfectly fine.


..about analyzation... fuck that shit. I'm in it to enjoy the fights, not sit here and try to analyze a bunch of hypothetical bullshit fights like you do that won't ever happen.


Some of us seek to understand this fine sport better, all facets, fights, match ups, head to head, politics, ability, evolution. Ignorance like you just admitted that you don't care about a deeper look, but then you shit on those who do and even want to insist that because they missed a fight for whatever reason, that they are lesser than you because you watched it.


If you called that a very good scrap, I don't know why you're a fan of the sport.


I love consistent action, but I get bored with the type that lacks a measure of defence. I didn't enjoy any overrated Gatti war for example, that was 2nd tier unrefined violence, not a beautiful/tactical/thrilling etc. battle.

I also didn't really like Rafa-Israel, a little defence would have made that even better, especially for so called P4P elite's.


..and I'm not out of line to assume people who'd post on a BOXING specific message board should actually be fans of... umm.. boxing.


You think you're on to something, when you aren't, you're just a monument of the greater problem at hand.

[nervousxtian]

I think he'll watch an obscure undercard fight somewhere in Napahoe Casino down in Mississipi just to prove he knows shit... and yell to the world did you see this fight??:verysad
You've missed the point, but then again that's not a surprise considering who I'm talking with here... :patsch

[Amsterdam]

You don't got the channel, you don't got it. I'm painting wiht a broad brush because people are talking about John Fucking Ruiz and Pavlik vs (insert name) crap when a good all action title fight is showing on free TV and nobody is discussing it at all.

It's pretty sad. You got Toopretty talking shit about a fight he has even seen, and his best argument is Montiels shorts..

You don't have to be a fan of a certain fighter to enjoy their fights. How closed minded AM I now?

Fixed, pretty closed minded at that.

[kg0208]

You don't got the channel, you don't got it. I'm painting wiht a broad brush because people are talking about John Fucking Ruiz and Pavlik vs (insert name) crap when a good all action title fight is showing on free TV and nobody is discussing it at all.

It's pretty sad. You got Toopretty talking shit about a fight he has even seen, and his best argument is Montiels shorts..

You don't have to be a fan of a certain fighter to enjoy their fights. How closed minded are we now?

Well, I am a HUGE football fan. But I won't watch Duke vs Temple when its on. Sometimes you weight other things you are fans of (other sports, other interests) against the level of excitement you are gonna get from something else you are a fan of and decide to do something different. You watch alot of boxing I take, but that doesn't make you more of a fan, just perhaps looking for something that others are not looking for.

[K_Ologist]

You got to be joking.

Kid Diamond vs Miguel Huerta, Omar Nino vs Brian Viloria, Pavlik vs Pierre, Solis vs Grigsby.

Some title fights, some contenders, not a bad network at all.

The WEC btw is almost always more entertaining than the UFC events, and they have one of the best fighters out their in Urijah Faber.

100% correct, vs. is batting a great percentage for the yerar, what they lacked in quantity they make up in quality. I don't necessarily agree with your point about not watching the fight as '07 really spoiled the boxing fan, but I hear you none the less. This was a terrific fight and Montiel showed me an offense I didn't know he possessed. As for Melendez, I will definitely look forward to his next fight, I know he'll bring it.

Don't forget, Urbano Antillon and Vanes Martirosyan both put on excellent performances. I'm glad I finally got to see Vanes fight, that dude has a TON of potential. As for Urbano, he looks like a lock to be a challenger for a LW title, superb perforamnce against his first southpaw opponent.

Boxing on a Thursday in October, abosolutely ZERO to copmlain about. :bbb

[Toopretty]

You don't got the channel, you don't got it. I'm painting wiht a broad brush because people are talking about John Fucking Ruiz and Pavlik vs (insert name) crap when a good all action title fight is showing on free TV and nobody is discussing it at all.

It's pretty sad. You got Toopretty talking shit about a fight he has even seen, and his best argument is Montiels shorts..

You don't have to be a fan of a certain fighter to enjoy their fights. How closed minded are we now?

I seen Montiel fight plenty. I seen him fight Gonzalez..WTF are you talking about. If I choose not to watch him b/c one of his balls might slip out of his tiny ass shorts that are skin tight like a fucking man bikini. That is my homophobic train of thought. I watch any type of boxing not matter who fights. If it is a guy or guys I like I watch it. If it is somebody I have no interest in, I dont. I used to like Jeff Lacy fight then he started to irritate the shit out of me. SO.....

[nervousxtian]

I didn't say they were lesser than me, just trying to prove that most of the guys on ESB are here to shill certain fighters, and aren't actually real fans of the sport.

If you didn't see the fight that's fine, but you can't tell me that only like 4 guys on the whole site saw it... but this shouldn't surprise me.. FnF and WnF (fuck even Showbox or BAD) get hardly any discussion going on here, or those threads get lost in the latest Pavlik vs Hagler or Calzaghe KO's God, or Kessler is going to destroy Calzaghe, or some stupid as thread from a shill on Golota, Miranda, Green, Calzaghe, whoever..

[Amsterdam]

Let's get Nervous' little buddy Lance Uppercut in here to seal the deal, they are pretty much the same poster, only Lance chooses to focus all of his efforts of down playing Floyd Mayweather these days and Nervous throws out whatever he attempts to come up with.

[nervousxtian]

Well, I am a HUGE football fan. But I won't watch Duke vs Temple when its on. Sometimes you weight other things you are fans of (other sports, other interests) against the level of excitement you are gonna get from something else you are a fan of and decide to do something different. You watch alot of boxing I take, but that doesn't make you more of a fan, just perhaps looking for something that others are not looking for.

Duke vs Temple is different, your football team plays every saturday during the season. Plus you have lots of options on games... shit you can choose between about 10 - 15 games on every Saturday.

Boxing isn't like that, in the off season you're lucky to get one card a month on basic cable.

You get maybe 4 or 5 days a month of boxing when it's not summer on a good month.

It's not like theirs an excess of boxing on TV to choose from, but this card in itself was good overall, with a lot for just about anyone (outside of guys liking the big boys fighting only)...

[Toopretty]

I didn't say they were lesser than me, just trying to prove that most of the guys on ESB are here to shill certain fighters, and aren't actually real fans of the sport.

If you didn't see the fight that's fine, but you can't tell me that only like 4 guys on the whole site saw it... but this shouldn't surprise me.. FnF and WnF (fuck even Showbox or BAD) get hardly any discussion going on here, or those threads get lost in the latest Pavlik vs Hagler or Calzaghe KO's God, or Kessler is going to destroy Calzaghe, or some stupid as thread from a shill on Golota, Miranda, Green, Calzaghe, whoever..

STFU...just b/c those fights dont get talked about dont mean nobody has seen them and thought they were good. There are a milliion fucking fightst that I seen that I dont bring up SO. I take note of a good fighter that I see as rising star. Or I point out a clearly overhyped bum of a fighter that is basically being hyped by idiots like yourself that is PRO the LITTLE GUY. Like motherfucking JCC JR...he is a fucking generic to me. SO, I wont watch him fight. Period.

[nervousxtian]

Let's get Nervous' little buddy Lance Uppercut in here to seal the deal, they are pretty much the same poster, only Lance chooses to focus all of his efforts of down playing Floyd Mayweather these days and Nervous throws out whatever he attempts to come up with.

Better than having my lips wrapped around Zakman and Joe Calzaghes dick at the same time... but you know.. to each their own.

[Amsterdam]

I didn't say they were lesser than me, just trying to prove that most of the guys on ESB are here to shill certain fighters, and aren't actually real fans of the sport.

If you didn't see the fight that's fine, but you can't tell me that only like 4 guys on the whole site saw it... but this shouldn't surprise me.. FnF and WnF (fuck even Showbox or BAD) get hardly any discussion going on here, or those threads get lost in the latest Pavlik vs Hagler or Calzaghe KO's God, or Kessler is going to destroy Calzaghe, or some stupid as thread from a shill on Golota, Miranda, Green, Calzaghe, whoever..

Let me ask you Nervous -

What gets around more press, big Hollywood films or Independant films? Big commercial corporate acts or underground music acts?

That's the comparison to big names and to relatively obscure to the average fan lower weight class guys, what do you honestly expect?

Most people don't even know much about a potential genius fighter in Cristian Mijares, who has the potential to be a level or two above your Montiel type guys and I don't expect them to know much about him, even though he obliterated the poster boy to the casual fan for the lower classes in Arce.

But you act surprised and call everyone who didn't see it 'so called' fans and think you're onto something significant in train of thought to a broader problem, you aren't, go to bed and try again some other time with a more open minded and respectful outlook. You come on strong like this, expect some backlash.

We also aren't in the mood for mediocrity to be pushed, so please don't defend your favourite china chin jokes when the p4p chinned ratings come up next time.:hey

[nervousxtian]

STFU...just b/c those fights dont get talked about dont mean nobody has seen them and thought they were good. There are a milliion fucking fightst that I seen that I dont bring up SO. I take note of a good fighter that I see as rising star. Or I point out a clearly overhyped bum of a fighter that is basically being hyped by idiots like yourself that is PRO the LITTLE GUY. Like motherfucking JCC JR...he is a fucking generic to me. SO, I wont watch him fight. Period.

See, I can enjoy a fight in spite of the hype. I judge a fighter on if he entertains me.

I think JCC jr isn't that good, but he's had some pretty darn good fights.

[Toopretty]

Oh, you are not a boxing fan for not watching two guys 108 pounds dooking it out. WTF ever. I cant even watch Montiel fight without laughing my ass off. I tried...could not help myself.

[Amsterdam]

Better than having my lips wrapped around Zakman and Joe Calzaghes dick at the same time... but you know.. to each their own.

Just the kind of retort that I would expect from nervousxtian.

[PJD3]

GOD DAMN IT MY FUCKING CABLE PROVIDER HAD VS OFF FROM FROM ABOUT 9.pm.
NOTHING BUT BLANK ASS SCREEN!:cus
NOW IT COMES ON THE AIR AFTER 11:20, I hope I can catch the replay later 2night.

[Amsterdam]

See, I can enjoy a fight in spite of the hype. I judge a fighter on if he entertains me.

I think JCC jr isn't that good, but he's had some pretty darn good fights.

Good, so stop coming in our threads if we're seriously critiquing someone and bitching like a little girl, if you judge someone on if they entertain your view of entertainment within the sport.

[chimba]

GOD DAMN IT MY FUCKING CABLE PROVIDER HAD VS OFF FROM FROM ABOUT 9.pm.
NOTHING BUT BLANK ASS SCREEN!:cus
NOW IT COMES ON THE AIR AFTER 11:20, I hope I can catch the replay later 2night.

Ohh BOY:roll:

[kg0208]

Duke vs Temple is different, your football team plays every saturday during the season. Plus you have lots of options on games... shit you can choose between about 10 - 15 games on every Saturday.

Boxing isn't like that, in the off season you're lucky to get one card a month on basic cable.

You get maybe 4 or 5 days a month of boxing when it's not summer on a good month.

It's not like theirs an excess of boxing on TV to choose from, but this card in itself was good overall, with a lot for just about anyone (outside of guys liking the big boys fighting only)...

It's not different to me. I don't have a football team :) I just watch it cuz I like it. There are plenty of times when there is only one game to watch, and I may not watch it for various reasons. Still a big fan though.

With boxing, the fight that happens to be on may not interest me because of the TV Show that's on in the same time slot. Or it may not interest me as much as my new video game.

I understand your frustration at these fights not getting hyped. But simply post shout outs to the fighters and tell people who to look for and when. More and more people will watch if the fights are as good as you say. Insulting those who didn't watch isn't going to endear them to your message.

But hey, thats just my opinion.

[Toopretty]

See, I can enjoy a fight in spite of the hype. I judge a fighter on if he entertains me.

I think JCC jr isn't that good, but he's had some pretty darn good fights.

Name one...his shit was the most pathetic excuse for a boxing match that I have ever seen. Forget he is twice the size of every opponent. And forget that every opponent looks like they are intentionally trying not to punch him in his wide open face. Anyway. I have a gripe with him and motherfucking Zahir Raheem of whom is the devil.

[Amsterdam]

I'll tell you guys something that I have learned -

Boxing fans are generally the worst to deal with, luckily this forum has been expanded into much broader view points than it was before, because everything was accepting as face value before.

Two years ago you had morons picking Gatti over Mayweather and by a pretty decent percentage.:yep

I mean, come on:yep , there are your fans that agree the fraudulent rating and assessment systems.:yep

They also thought Taylor was a future ATG, glad me and Zak were here to clear that shit up back about December 05 was it?

[nervousxtian]

Let me ask you Nervous -

What gets around more press, big Hollywood films or Independant films? Big commercial corporate acts or underground music acts?

That's the comparison to big names and to relatively obscure to the average fan lower weight class guys, what do you honestly expect?

Most people don't even know much about a potential genius fighter in Cristian Mijares, who has the potential to be a level or two above your Montiel type guys and I don't expect them to know much about him, even though he obliterated the poster boy to the casual fan for the lower classes in Arce.

But you act surprised and call everyone who didn't see it 'so called' fans and think you're onto something significant in train of thought to a broader problem, you aren't, go to bed and try again some other time with a more open minded and respectful outlook. You come on strong like this, expect some backlash.

We also aren't in the mood for mediocrity to be pushed, so please don't defend your favourite china chin jokes when the p4p chinned ratings come up next time.:hey
We're both fans of Mijares, so we do have some things in common. You just enjoy boxing from a different perspective, but I don't doubt you're a fan. I also wasn't calling you with my post, it's just on a damn boxing site, with a good/decent card on basic cable, you think more people would watch.

It's not like Montiel should be an unknown, I've seen him fight numerous times before, and he almost always puts on a good show.

I think Mijares would beat him down even worse than he beat down Arce though, but it'd be a fun entertaining fight while it lasted.. Montiel has heart, he's shown that through the years.

[chimba]

Name one...his shit was the most pathetic excuse for a boxing match that I have ever seen. Forget he is twice the size of every opponent. And forget that every opponent looks like they are intentionally trying not to punch him in his wide open face. Anyway. I have a gripe with him and motherfucking Zahir Raheem of whom is the devil.

Name one?? How bout the last JCC jr fight with that midget. I mean he hit this midget about 100 times in the face and he kept coming back even tagging JCC, but Junior wouldnt have none of it so he TKOed his ass. That was a great fight man

[Amsterdam]

We're both fans of Mijares, so we don't have some things in common. You just enjoy boxing from a different perspective, but I don't doubt you're a fan. I also wasn't calling you with my post, it's just on a damn boxing site, with a good/decent card on basic cable, you think more people would watch.

It's not like Montiel should be an unknown, I've seen him fight numerous times before, and he almost always puts on a good show.

I think Mijares would beat him down even worse than he beat down Arce though, but it'd be a fun entertaining fight while it lasted.. Montiel has heart, he's shown that through the years.

Montiel has never had a signature showcase on a premium network like others have, take Calderon for example, he is well known and recieved press for his last win, which was a good fight, but how many times did he outclass guys on PPV undercards?

I counted 3-4, specifically one on a Pacquaio undercard, that's a lot of exposure for him. Montiel, I've only seen him on smaller networking for the most part and he's not entirely marketable.

This is sad, but it's totally not surprising, it operates much like underground music, which is of a different quality than what sells in the mainstream, MOST, not all, but most commercial music is not on that level, but what gets press and what sells more?

Commercial.

This comparison is valid. I did not say you were calling me out, but it caught KG's eyes, who is a very avid boxing fan and is also the type that enjoys brutal bouts and seeks to analyse and broaden his understanding of the sport, he simply didn't care about this fight and that doesn't put anything against him as a fan.

Also, Mijares is mildly competitive with Montiel, goes back to styles, Mijares had the nastiest style for Arce possibly, but damn did he bring it home, what a display! Mijares 8-4 over Montiel, hope it gets made since Montiel would be a good resume point, but I doubt it, Mijares is going to be avoided.

[Toopretty]

Name one?? How bout the last JCC jr fight with that midget. I mean he hit this midget about 100 times in the face and he kept coming back even tagging JCC, but Junior wouldnt have none of it so he TKOed his ass. That was a great fight man....:patsch

[chimba]

....:patsch

Its a joke :rofl

[nervousxtian]

I agree 8 - 4, since Mijares doesn't have a huge punch.

It'd be a good fight though. Probably as an undercard on a big PPV, hopefully JMM vs Pacman II.

[nervousxtian]

.. you know, this stuff shouldn't surprise me, you ever seen the crowd during the undercards of big fights, and there's like only a couple hundred fans there until the Main Event starts... most people just don't care unless it's the big superstar name... I think it's just I expect more on a boxing forum, since that's why I come here, is to discuss fights like the ones on tonight... we got the rest of the week to talk about all the other crap.

[Zakman]

... the fucking idiot comment wasn't towards you.. it was towards Toopretty and his derogatory remarks about the networks boxing cards.

Forgot Mckart vs Pavlik was on Vs... that was a great fight as well.

Yeah, I knew that - I was just joshin' with ya, guy. That's why I threw the word "seriously" in right after.

Hopefully we can all get back to discussing this fight - and for those of you who haven't seen it WATCH it when it is replayed on Versus, it will be WORTH the time, take my word for it.

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Seriously - this was a give and take WAR. And this comes from someone who is no big fan of smaller weight fighters, generally speaking. It was without a doubt one of the better fights I've seen all year. It's not Corrales-Castillo, but it isn't THAT far below it either. Very much worth checking out!

[Lance_Uppercut]

Let's get Nervous' little buddy Lance Uppercut in here to seal the deal, they are pretty much the same poster, only Lance chooses to focus all of his efforts of down playing Floyd Mayweather these days and Nervous throws out whatever he attempts to come up with.

I don't have little buddies cunt. Like you are to CJH's...:lol:

[nervousxtian]

It had a little bit of everything too, cuts, headbutts, blood, showboating, one punch KD, sustained beatings acrossed the ring, trading rounds back and forth, huge shots, both guys stunned multiple times then firing back.

Zakman, how do you rate that Melendez guys chin, pretty damn good considering how many clean shots he took, and considering it was the body shots that actually put him out, I mean he walked through some shots that threw his entire head backwards.

[Morrissey]

Montiel by TKO in the 12th round.

Both guys hit the canvas though, and both took huge leather in a give and take fight.

I'll just wait for some kind-hearted fellow to upload it in the net...:yep

SOunds like a great fight.. Didn't expect it though. I though it would have been an easy fight for MOntiel.

[Amsterdam]

It had a little bit of everything too, cuts, headbutts, blood, showboating, one punch KD, sustained beatings acrossed the ring, trading rounds back and forth, huge shots, both guys stunned multiple times then firing back.

Zakman, how do you rate that Melendez guys chin, pretty damn good considering how many clean shots he took, and considering it was the body shots that actually put him out, I mean he walked through some shots that threw his entire head backwards.

Obviously he has a very good chin. Didn't get blown out in a round like Dunne or Bautista and Montiel is a seasoned top level guy with some pop and Melendez took a licking.

[Amsterdam]

I agree 8 - 4, since Mijares doesn't have a huge punch.

It'd be a good fight though. Probably as an undercard on a big PPV, hopefully JMM vs Pacman II.

Yes, it'd be a great fight. Mijares is a work in progress, he has a great defence but often resorts to fighting the other guys fight, this was evident in the first Kawashima(sp) bout where he stood inside slugging when he should have been commanding with that great jab and picking him off.

He took care of him second time around, so I hope that he's refining with experience, the kid has endless potential and at just turned 26, a couple of years to hopefully cement a legacy for himself, because he's really talented and has just about every intangible but punching power available. His jab off the back foot is one of the best I've ever seen personally.

Montiel is no 2nd rater, he's an established top crop fighter, so Mijares will have to work for it since Mijares is no defensive fighter, albeit more defensive than Montiel is.

[Zakman]

It had a little bit of everything too, cuts, headbutts, blood, showboating, one punch KD, sustained beatings acrossed the ring, trading rounds back and forth, huge shots, both guys stunned multiple times then firing back.

Zakman, how do you rate that Melendez guys chin, pretty damn good considering how many clean shots he took, and considering it was the body shots that actually put him out, I mean he walked through some shots that threw his entire head backwards.
Very solid. Not granite, but solid. Wally Mathews said something that I think is very pertinent when evaluating chin strength: "The only time I question a man's chin is when he gets knocked down and doesn't get up."

Guys who are able to get up from the canvas, even if they visit it more often, tend to have better chins than those who get laid out cold. It's the quality, not the quantity, of the knockdown that counts.

[theunderdog]

now montiel should give z gorres a rematch

[theunderdog]

Martin Castillo would hurt Z gorres

just like you claim that humberto soto would dominate pac eh? could you kindly explain first you claim that penalosa's ko of gonzales was "luckier" that arce's ko of trejo? last time i put that question in your face, you did not answer it.

[mad_takamura]

just like you claim that humberto soto would dominate pac eh? could you kindly explain first you claim that penalosa's ko of gonzales was "luckier" that arce's ko of trejo? last time i put that question in your face, you did not answer it.actually the reason he offered me why he did'nt answer you because he claimed that you don't know jack about boxing...

[MrStayman]

Grow up you little cunt.

:yep:hi:

[mad_takamura]

Martin Castillo would hurt Z gorres z will be champ one day: you mayeth eat your own words like kimchi.:hi:

[Antwuan Maxx]

I figured this would happened. I was exhausted and didn't think the fight would be all that after round one. So I shut off the tv and knocked out with the quickness. Now what do I read when I go to boxing sites for the result...I missed a so called FOTY candidate. :patsch Oh well, I'll download it now and watch it when I get home tonight.

[achillesthegreat]

Too many people on this site get offended about people not watching the small guys. They need to be exciting and dominant. They are that sometimes but not always. The ones that are exciting and dominant are getting recognition i.e. Marquez, Vasquez etc

[PH|LLA]

Well. This kind of makes my point about alot of the so-called fans who call this place home.

Only give a shit about the fighters they nuthug, and aren't really fans of the sport.

I swear some of the posters on here are probably paid by the promoters to shill the big name fighters.
seriously, these type of fans aren't even real fans

[nervousxtian]

just like you claim that humberto soto would dominate pac eh? could you kindly explain first you claim that penalosa's ko of gonzales was "luckier" that arce's ko of trejo? last time i put that question in your face, you did not answer it.

Wow, Arce Ko'd Trejo? I think you mean Rojas.

It wasn't luck though, it's boxing. Arce has a punch, and even though he was losing the fight, he has the equalizer.

Boxing is never luck, it's circumstance, skill, heart, and power.

[nervousxtian]

Very solid. Not granite, but solid. Wally Mathews said something that I think is very pertinent when evaluating chin strength: "The only time I question a man's chin is when he gets knocked down and doesn't get up."


Yeah, I thought it was a good quote when he said it, because honestly it's true. I think Montiel isn't that hard to KD, but did you see what he did when he went down?

Got his senses together, got on his knee, watched the count go to 9, got up and then followed directions.

If a lot of fighters followed what he did, they would be able to successfully get out of the round from a quick KD, but too many guys get up all wobbled, don't recover, and get TKO 5 seconds later.

[C Money]

Montiel was 1 miunute and two seconds from a UD and in a war:good Apparently the judges saw it more one sided with 107-100 | 107-100 | 107-101 cards. It seemed a little closer than that, though Montiel was definitely leading, with the hooks and upper's attack:yep

Great action from both men, back to back 10-8 rounds, one for Montiel, and one for Melendez. These two were there to FIGHT and WIN:happy

[koko of phil]

It was a close fight for me, Melendez did give Montiel a tough fight but the latter still pulled as the better one. I thought Melendez was just a sloppy boxer at the top of the rounds but did some good shots that really surprises Montiel in the later stages of the fight.

[theunderdog]

Wow, Arce Ko'd Trejo? I think you mean Rojas.

It wasn't luck though, it's boxing. Arce has a punch, and even though he was losing the fight, he has the equalizer.

Boxing is never luck, it's circumstance, skill, heart, and power.

my bad. it was rojas. i'm just trying to get black to explain how he came up with the conclusion that penalosa's was "luckier" than arce's body punch ko. i too never believed in the lucky punch myth

[the mean machine]

Saw the fight, very entertaining, foty don't think so, thought that the commentators had it way closer than i did.

Good for Versus to finally show a good fight after the few stinkers involving Tye Fields.

[Pimp C]

Great fight! I think Montiel underestimated Melendez early on but like a true champ he got off the canvas to win.