Calzaghe should be p4p#1 or 2 if Hatton beats PBF

[PrideOfWales]

I love watching Hatton, he's a favourite and I've enjoyed his career so far, but he's not as good technically as Calzaghe. In the UK, the vast majority of boxing fans also believe that Joe Calzaghe is a better boxer than Ricky Hatton. Granted, there are a couple of people of think the opposite but I'd say 70% think Joe is the UK no1. That would be the same people who have watched the careers of both fighters for the last 10 years or so.

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Therefore, let's assume that Calzaghe disposes Kessler and Hatton beats Mayweather (generally regarded p4p 1 or 2 by everyone, Pac in the mix also). Hatton would surely leapfrog PBF into the number 1 or number 2 position. Calzaghe, being better, needs to go at least one place above Hatton at any point in time. Agreed?

This will not be the case because:

a) Hatton will have beaten a named American
b) Hatton has fought in the USA of America a couple of times
c) The US fight media cannot stomach the fact that more than one UK fighter will be higher than the highest US boxer in their p4p lists.

If Calzaghe beats Kessler and Hatton beats PBF in a convincing way, what would your p4p top 5 be?

[klion22]

Well, Hatton isn't beating PBF so it's a moot point. Had the fight been at 140, he might've had a good chance but at 147, he won't be pushing guys around. I give Hatton a very small chance to win. The stars have to align for him to win IMO.

[Rollo]

Yes they could, but none of that is going to happen - even though I WOULD like to see Hatton beat PBF.

[Carlos Primera]

even if he did beat pbf, i'm afraid the way the p4p system does'nt work like that. tarver ktfo then no.1 p4p rjj silly, he was'nt anywhere near top 3. but i understand your point.

[Max Molyneux]

Most of the UK fans are badly biased towards Hatton.

They think he's done more than Joe based on two wins over guys he got at the right time over 20 defences Including unification and one of the best dominant performances ever!

[BewareofDawg]

Calzaghe's definitely top 20 P4P for sure. His fights with those two Contender guys proved that much.

[China_hand_Joe]

even if he did beat pbf, i'm afraid the way the p4p system does'nt work like that. tarver ktfo then no.1 p4p rjj silly, he was'nt anywhere near top 3. but i understand your point.
Floyd isn't as old as Jones however. Just look what RING did recently with Marquez and Vasquez, they love leapfrogging.

[warrior85]

floyds number 1 so if hatton beats him hes number 1,when calzaghe beats kessler hes at least top 3

[yesihavearm]

Calzaghe will be 2nd or 3rd in the PvP rankings after the win over Kessler.

3rd definatly.

A case could be made for him being 2nd as Pac is fighting a pointless fight against a shot Barrera which wont do anything for his legacy and has avoided a real challenge in Marquez or Guzman

[henrik]

Calzaghe's definitely top 20 P4P for sure. His fights with those two Contender guys proved that much.

:D :D

[BITCH ASS]

Calzaghe's definitely top 20 P4P for sure. His fights with those two Contender guys proved that much.

:rofl

[PrideOfWales]

so because in the uk the boxing fans believe that Calzaghe is a better boxer than Hatton, he needs to go at least one place above him even if he beats floyd. this is utter bullshit...

Not bullshit... this is how you judge boxers. You're basing your opinion of Calzaghe on the Lacy fight. That fight showed a lot about what's good about Calzaghe but he has many different ways to win a fight, which everyone in the UK has seen for many years. You will rank Hatton higher because he has fought in the US and you know PBF. It won't matter in the performances of the fights, if Hatton wins, to you, he'd automatically be higher.

[Axe]

Totally disagree with thread title. Hatton fighting MAyweather has nothing to do with Calzaghe, and if Hatton somehow beats PBF then he deserves to be rated a mile ahead of JC.

[mike464]

I love watching Hatton, he's a favourite and I've enjoyed his career so far, but he's not as good technically as Calzaghe. In the UK, the vast majority of boxing fans also believe that Joe Calzaghe is a better boxer than Ricky Hatton. Granted, there are a couple of people of think the opposite but I'd say 70% think Joe is the UK no1. That would be the same people who have watched the careers of both fighters for the last 10 years or so.

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Therefore, let's assume that Calzaghe disposes Kessler and Hatton beats Mayweather (generally regarded p4p 1 or 2 by everyone, Pac in the mix also). Hatton would surely leapfrog PBF into the number 1 or number 2 position. Calzaghe, being better, needs to go at least one place above Hatton at any point in time. Agreed?

This will not be the case because:

a) Hatton will have beaten a named American
b) Hatton has fought in the USA of America a couple of times
c) The US fight media cannot stomach the fact that more than one UK fighter will be higher than the highest US boxer in their p4p lists.

If Calzaghe beats Kessler and Hatton beats PBF in a convincing way, what would your p4p top 5 be?So Hatton beats the P4P number one and Calzaghe jumps above him? That's nonsense. How the hell does Hatton winning help Calzaghe go above him?

[kk17]

Calzaghe should be p4p 1 or 2 already

[Imperial1]

Shouldn't Calzaghe move up in weight to get into the top 5 ?

I mean isn't usually meant for fighters who have been successful at diffrent weight clasess ?Though I do beleive there is a strong case for him now due to his title defenses and him being undefeated but he still needs that little extra .A win over Kessler surly gives him a strong case ..

[China_hand_Joe]

This thread although intended as a pisstake, contains some truth.

Particularly, it is practically seen as illegal not to rate Mayweather number one right now, thanks to the American media. Mayweather loses and the door opens for the likes of Calzaghe to claim top spot.

[China_hand_Joe]

Shouldn't Calzaghe move up in weight to get into the top 5 ?

I mean isn't usually meant for fighters who have been successful at diffrent weight clasess ?Though I do beleive there is a strong case for him now due to his title defenses and him being undefeated but he still needs that little extra .A win over Kessler surly gives him a strong case ..
No, you can be like Duran, rated based on dominance at one weight-class. Moving between weights just means you are good at moving between weights.

[achillesthegreat]

I see absolutely no way someone could rank Calzaghe over Hatton if they win their bouts.

[Jose FM]

Kessler UD. Hatton UD.

[Imperial1]

No, you can be like Duran, rated based on dominance at one weight-class. Moving between weights just means you are good at moving between weights.


It also fits p4p ..I mean Sugar Ray Robinson was the epitomy of that ..Look where he started and looked where ended ..I think this is why Floyd and Manny are held in such higher regards than most of their peers ..I never thought P4P meant just wins once u broke it all down ..

[China_hand_Joe]

I see absolutely no way someone could rank Calzaghe over Hatton if they win their bouts.

There is a reason Hatton has no chance.

But even so, Calzaghe shouldn't be punish if Mayweather has an off day,

[radianttwilight]

I think P4P doesn't HAVE to include hopping weight classes, but it sure does help. All the P4P system does is try to determine the "best" boxer in the world...which is definately more likely if the guy pulls a Mayweather and runs through 130-154 winning belts, as opposed to a guy who defends the WBO belt in a non-traditional division for how many years...?

Winning + dominance in multiple weight classes > winning + dominance in a single weight class, all things created equal.

For the record, just cause Mayweather loses to Hatton doesn't mean he even has to lose that #1 spot (though he most likely will). If Hatton pulls out an SD or cut stoppage, etc or somehow wins in close/controversial fashion, that isn't signalling the end of it for PBF.

Even if you use the ...European? (Whoever they are, those that try to deride American fighters for having "inferior skills" even though they have superior resumes) approach to P4P where you draw all sorts of silly graphs and plot the "slope between a boxer's ability and his weightclass", PBF comes out on top, because if he loses a close one to a peak Hatton that's not exactly a big insult to his skills. The facts are that Mayweather's skills are stll superior to those of Joe Calzaghe, so if you're going to use the "skills per pound" rating system then JC still doesn't top Mayweather.

That system actually makes JC look WORSE because it takes into account that Mayweather might lose while being technically superior to his opponent, which would mean he would get to to keep his #1 ranking as the "best". Just cause you drop a fight doesn't mean you aren't the most skillful boxer in the world, especially if it is to a prime and dangerous opponent.

IF, on the other hand, you use the traditional "resume" approach to P4P (the one that some fans claim is tainted by the dreaded "circle jerk", but that's a different topic) then yeah, a loss to Hatton looks worse than it would otherwise.

But if you're talking about resume, then how the hell do you plan to rate Joe Calzaghe over Floyd Mayweather, Jr.? I'm NO fan of PBF, in fact I hope he gets KTFO soon, but the man has an arguably ATG resume.

If you plan to claim that there are only "shot"/"incomplete"/"overrated" fighters on PBF's resume, then where does that leave you when you want to rank him below a guy whose biggest win is Jeff Lacy? :good

[McGrain]

I see absolutely no way someone could rank Calzaghe over Hatton if they win their bouts.


If he finds a way...

[achillesthegreat]

There is a reason Hatton has no chance.

But even so, Calzaghe shouldn't be punish if Mayweather has an off day,
Read my post... IF they win their bouts.

[Fedor Em]

If Hatton and Calzaghe both win and Pac loses then they will both be #1 and #2 on the p4p list. I would lean toward Calzaghe though because of his longer reign and he has shown more dominance (even against very good fighters like Eubank and Lacy).

[rendog67]

wish it was as easy as this

[radianttwilight]

If Calzaghe beats Kesser, he has ONE good win. Let's say that Lacy is a legit win, that's two good wins.

When was his last good win before that?

You can't become P4P #1 through two or three "good wins" over a span of NEARLY TEN YEARS.

Mayweather has fought more credible opponents since the start of 2006 than Calzaghe has fought in his entire career. JC's resume has NOTHING on PBF's, even if JC beats Kessler and PBF loses to Hatton.

And don't even try to compare JC's skills to those of PBF...if JC had skills that were even in the same LEAGUE as PBF's, he would've fought some real contenders, and probably ditched the weak-ass division he's been camping in for a decade to get some legacy-cementing fights.

PBF finds competition - JC has avoided it throughout his career.

[gutto]

:good Totally disagree with thread title. Hatton fighting MAyweather has nothing to do with Calzaghe, and if Hatton somehow beats PBF then he deserves to be rated a mile ahead of JC.:good