Time for carl to dump mick?

[fg2227]

Crimetime again gutted!

Carl wbc champ undefeated and this idiot cant even get him on national television. You gotta feel sorry for carl. Is it time to dump him?:smoke

[icemax]

I give this thread one hour :deal

[mugen82]

Who are the alternatives? ****** needs a star right now, although he's trying to build Mitchell to fill that position.

Also Froch and Haye were room mates in the Ams, and he seems to get along well with Hatton, so both these could be suitable alternatives.

[DON1]

I agree. Hennessy needs to go. Froch is a WBC Champ he needs a decent promoter.

[NoHomeJerome]

Yes, worst promoter of all time.

The guy should be a superstar yet is barely known in the general public and can't get on TV fighting in the biggest thing in boxing right now.. it's literally disgusting.

[ScouseLad]

Is it time to dump him?:smoke

I wouldnt have thought Froch would be able to get away from him during this tournament, in which case it's probably not worth it as by the end of this tournament he's going to have had some defeats and a lot of punishment I think.

The worst promoted fighter I have ever seen. He should be a national hero now like Haye or Hatton, yet half the people on the street havent a clue who the hell he is.

[indie_uk1]

careful, i just finished ban for bad mouthing mr hennessy

[Robert]

hennessy has not done to bad with froch got him the wbc and got him into the super 6 tournement had some of his fight on itv but i do agree if he was with ****** he would be so much bigger

[trotter]

Damage is done really, it's too late. The fights that should have made him have been and gone. Crying shame.

[D-MAC]

Even casual fans of boxing who I know haven't heard of Froch, which is amazing when you think about it. They really should have capitalised on his dramatic come from behind victory against Taylor. A brit, fighting in a America, against an American, and he's the underdog.........and he knocks the favourite out in the closing seconds of the final round. Jesus, they should have made a lot of capital out of that. Not to mention his fight of the year candidate with Jean Pascal. He's been sold to the public very badly.

[PaddyD1983]

Mick seems to have done a reasonable job in matchmaking and getting Carl into the supersix in the first place.

The lack of TV coverage though is woeful. Surely Carl would get a bit more money by getting a deal with ITV for less money than Sky, but then milking the promotional and sponsorship deals that would come his way afterwards?

Question for the group though...

If Carl was promoted by FW, do we think he would be in the Super six at all?

[D-MAC]

Mick seems to have done a reasonable job in matchmaking and getting Carl into the supersix in the first place.

The lack of TV coverage though is woeful. Surely Carl would get a bit more money by getting a deal with ITV for less money than Sky, but then milking the promotional and sponsorship deals that would come his way afterwards?

Question for the group though...

If Carl was promoted by FW, do we think he would be in the Super six at all?

Nah, he'd probably be involved in a SKY BOX OFFICE fight of the century bout with Tocker Pudwill.

[modestbiggles]

well hes not going to go to ****** is he? they constantly make sly marks about each other. eg Froch saying he wasn't interested in the ****** Boxing Organisation belt.

[TheGiftedOne]

Crimetime again gutted!

Carl wbc champ undefeated and this idiot cant even get him on national television. You gotta feel sorry for carl. Is it time to dump him?:smoke

:roll:

Sky are the only established TV station that are showing boxing and they're full to the rafters, what do you expect Mick to do?

Mick can either give the fight to Sky for virtually fcuk all (as it doesn't look like they want it on SBO) or go the PPV route via Primetime. Mick must've decided he could get more money for himself & CARL by going the Primetime route.

If you want somebody to blame then point the finger at ITV & BBC (& to a lesser extent Sky) who couldn't give a toss about boxing

[ScouseLad]

:roll:

Sky are the only established TV station that are showing boxing and they're full to the rafters, what do you expect Mick to do?

Mick can either give the fight to Sky for virtually fcuk all (as it doesn't look like they want it on SBO) or go the PPV route via Primetime. Mick must've decided he could get more money for himself & CARL by going the Primetime route.

If you want somebody to blame then point the finger at ITV & BBC (& to a lesser extent Sky) who couldn't give a toss about boxing

Welcome to the site Mick. Hope all is well!

[TheGiftedOne]

Welcome to the site Mick. Hope all is well!

I'm not Mick, I'm just someone who can look at the situation realistically. Unlike the strong majority of the posters on this thread who seem to want the moon on a stick

[ScouseLad]

I'm just someone who can look at the situation realistically.

Evidently not, he's fucked up.

Yet again. The promotion and TV coverage of him since Pascal has been diabolical.

[mugen82]

Evidently not, he's fucked up.

Yet again. The promotion and TV coverage of him since Pascal has been diabolical.

He's way out of his league, just watching an episode of the super 6 documentary would show that, like a kid in his dads suit at a table full of sharks.

[HMSTempleGarden]

Froch doesn't exactly promote himself either plus the TV deals aren't what they were in late 80s early 90s.

Almost everyone know who David Haye is, mainly because he promotes himself superbly, Froch on the other hand is about as dull as a wet weekend in Inverness.

[Nel has heart]

Yeah he needs to go. I also blame carl for it. If he went with ****** he'd be on sky straight away. But h sticks with Mick cus there buddies.

[TheGiftedOne]

Evidently not, he's fucked up.

Yet again. The promotion and TV coverage of him since Pascal has been diabolical.

As I said previously

"Sky are the only established TV station that are showing boxing and they're full to the rafters, what do you expect Mick to do?"


After Pascal he fought a very good opponent (JT) on away turf, would you have preferred a Salita type opponent? ITV wouldn't cough up the money to show the fight live, so it had to be shown delayed

After JT he entered the excellent Super 6 series which guarentees that Carl is in 3 successive BIG fights at least...... and the fight is being shown live despite the dire economical conditions and TVs apathy towards boxing.

You want the moon on a stick!

[David UK]

Even casual fans of boxing who I know haven't heard of Froch, which is amazing when you think about it. They really should have capitalised on his dramatic come from behind victory against Taylor. A brit, fighting in a America, against an American, and he's the underdog.........and he knocks the favourite out in the closing seconds of the final round. Jesus, they should have made a lot of capital out of that. Not to mention his fight of the year candidate with Jean Pascal. He's been sold to the public very badly.

Couldn't agree more. Hennessey is 'two-bob' and way out of his depth at this level. Anyone know what he did before getting into boxing around 2001?

[TheGiftedOne]

I also blame carl for it. If he went with ****** he'd be on sky straight away.

You're right he'd be on Sky fighting 'Bum of the Month' instead of in the Super 6

[ScouseLad]

He's way out of his league, just watching an episode of the super 6 documentary would show that, like a kid in his dads suit at a table full of sharks.

Haha I had that exact same thought seeing that, Sauerland was speaking then Mick pipes up and he just looks completely out of place.

I cant imagine him having much power when he's sitting round a table with showtime and the Sauerlands. He's a nobody in the grand scheme of things which is why Froch fans got shafted on the date change.

And now he cant even sort a good tv deal in his own country!

[NoHomeJerome]

He's way out of his league, just watching an episode of the super 6 documentary would show that, like a kid in his dads suit at a table full of sharks.

:deal

[icemax]

Nah, he'd probably be involved in a SKY BOX OFFICE fight of the century bout with Tocker Pudwill.

At least then we would be able to do a proper like for like comparison with Calzaghe...having said that, Tocker was in his absolute prime when he faced Joe :D

[ryanm8655]

You're right he'd be on Sky fighting 'Bum of the Month' instead of in the Super 6

But probably more known/loved by the public and making more money doing it. Frank does deliver big fights when the time is right, he's not all bad...

Has anyone beyond this forum even heard of primetime?

[ScouseLad]

After Pascal he fought a very good opponent (JT) on away turf



Yeah, a big fight for a British fighter credit for that and guess what? IT WASNT EVEN LIVE ON THE FUCKING TELE!!



You want the moon on a stick!



Haha, wanting one of britains best fighters on a decent tv channel is asking for the "moon on a stick"? Fuck off Mick.

Pascal should have made him in this country, he's gone backwards if anything.

[icemax]

Yeah, a big fight for a British fighter credit for that and guess what? IT WASNT EVEN LIVE ON THE FUCKING TELE!!


I think that that one was

[ScouseLad]

I think that that one was

Taylor wasnt live on TV.

[icemax]

Taylor wasnt live on TV.

Sorry, thought you meant Pascal :good

[HMSTempleGarden]

At least then we would be able to do a proper like for like comparison with Calzaghe...having said that, Tocker was in his absolute prime when he faced Joe :D

Pudwill was also a last minute replacement.

[mugen82]

I think that that one was

It was on the next day, or was it the next week, and ontop of that was featured in the Metro newspaper.......9 months later :lol: a 16 line column.

[icemax]

Pudwill was also a last minute replacement.

I didn't know that, thanks

[icemax]

I didn't know that, thanks

:-( Tate couldn't fight on the day that was arranged as he was due to pick his pension up

[HMSTempleGarden]

:-( Tate couldn't fight on the day that was arranged as he was due to pick his pension up

Tate's record was very decent.

[NoHomeJerome]

Tate was a can and was like 50 anyways.

[Camm]

I'm not Mick, I'm just someone who can look at the situation realistically. Unlike the strong majority of the posters on this thread who seem to want the moon on a stick


"you know what you want Stew.......you want the MOON ON A STICK"

Classic show, i've not heard that in years!!!!

[icemax]

Tate's record was very decent.

For a 37 year old, but not as good as that rising 40 year old star RJJ

[icemax]

Tate was a can and was like 50 anyways.

I wouldn't have put it like that, but.....

[NoHomeJerome]

For a 37 year old, but not as good as that rising 40 year old star RJJ

Or that new up and comer Bernard Hopkins :lol:

[icemax]

Or that new up and comer Bernard Hopkins :lol:

Thats the fella :deal

[mugen82]

I've heard big things about this scottish bloke Ken Buchanon, he's supposed to be real hungry, and wants to fight his way out of poverty!

[Nel has heart]

At the end of the day, if he cant get Carl on TV now he NEVER will. Things cant get any bigger for Carl right now.

[trotter]

Haha, wanting one of britains best fighters on a decent tv channel is asking for the "moon on a stick"?

Quite... how ridiculous.

[D-MAC]

At least then we would be able to do a proper like for like comparison with Calzaghe...having said that, Tocker was in his absolute prime when he faced Joe :D

Can't argue there, and the Tockster was a beast in his prime, dare I say Tysonesque. I still can't believe how easily Joe handled him........one of his best performances, against the best that the North Dakota Nightclub boxing circuit has to offer.

[TheGiftedOne]

Yeah, a big fight for a British fighter credit for that and guess what? IT WASNT EVEN LIVE ON THE FUCKING TELE!!



Haha, wanting one of britains best fighters on a decent tv channel is asking for the "moon on a stick"? Fuck off Mick.

Pascal should have made him in this country, he's gone backwards if anything.

Check through my post history I'm clearly not Mick :-(

With regards to him going backwards - there have been some tough economical times over the past year or so, which has affected TV stations, boxing and virtually everything else in the world. ITV stopped the contract with Mick despite him doing a good job IMO (far better than Mr ****** did) due to the dire financial situation

ITV pulled out of boxing because they're skint, BBC definately aren't interested in boxing, sky are full to the rafters with boxing (Hatton, FW, BH...) and the other multitude of channels (ESPN,Bravo, CH4, CH5 etc) either can't afford it or have no interest in it...... yet despite all this Mick gets the fight shown live on TV and surprise surprise the Eastside forum is up in arms about it ('Moon on a stick' my friend 'Moon on a stick')

[TheGiftedOne]

But probably more known/loved by the public and making more money doing it. Frank does deliver big fights when the time is right, he's not all bad...


Carl doesn't crave the limelight and the celebrity life style, he's happy as long as he's respected within the game.

Mick has consistantly delivered the BIG fights for Carl, Frank would have cash-cowed him to death against below standard opposition then he's have delivered him a BIG fight when he was leaving his prime. Which scenario is better for the boxing fan?

[TheGiftedOne]

Quite... how ridiculous.

How is it ridiculous? Which channel should/could Mick have got Carl on?

[ScouseLad]

Check through my post history I'm clearly not Mick :-(

With regards to him going backwards - there have been some tough economical times over the past year or so, which has affected TV stations, boxing and virtually everything else in the world. ITV stopped the contract with Mick despite him doing a good job IMO (far better than Mr ****** did) due to the dire financial situation

ITV pulled out of boxing because they're skint, BBC definately aren't interested in boxing, sky are full to the rafters with boxing (Hatton, FW, BH...) and the other multitude of channels (ESPN,Bravo, CH4, CH5 etc) either can't afford it or have no interest in it...... yet despite all this Mick gets the fight shown live on TV and surprise surprise the Eastside forum is up in arms about it ('Moon on a stick' my friend 'Moon on a stick')

Ah the old "recession" stuff, yet David Haye has become a superstar in this country during that same "recession". And remember, this is the same sky tv that barely acknowledged Haye existed at one point, now he's a sky star. Maybe David Hayes team just arent as completely inept as Mick is?

The Taylor fight not even live on any tv channel, PPV or otherwise. The Dirrell fight was even more laughable in a way, on PPV yet Virgin Media viewers cant fucking buy it!! How stupid is that? You put something on PPV then certain people arent allowed to actually buy it!

And here we are once again, the same shitty channel. If you think thats all good and Mick is doing a brilliant job then fair enough, I disagree and its pointless continuing it as our views are so far apart.

[robpalmer135]

should sign with gbp.

[Tony Bellew]

He won't do that..;)

['Ben']

He won't do that..;)


I doubt it too.... it's a shame though, imagine what your promoter would have done with him by now if he got him when he became world champion? He'd be a household name by now surely?

[PaddyD1983]

Ah the old "recession" stuff, yet David Haye has become a superstar in this country during that same "recession". And remember, this is the same sky tv that barely acknowledged Haye existed at one point, now he's a sky star. Maybe David Hayes team just arent as completely inept as Mick is?

The Taylor fight not even live on any tv channel, PPV or otherwise. The Dirrell fight was even more laughable in a way, on PPV yet Virgin Media viewers cant fucking buy it!! How stupid is that? You put something on PPV then certain people arent allowed to actually buy it!

And here we are once again, the same shitty channel. If you think thats all good and Mick is doing a brilliant job then fair enough, I disagree and its pointless continuing it as our views are so far apart.

The Haye comparison is a good one.

Valuev was limited but the fight was marketed brilliantly.

Taylor was a better opponent for Froch than Valuev was for Haye. They could have sold that fight as being "The man that beat BHop" v Froch. I cant see how it would have been that difficult to build that fight up and get the market interested. Even is Joe Public dont know who BHop is, tell them he was a great middleweight that was dethroned by Taylor. And now Froch's fighting this dude.

Worse still, how can anyone not sell the super six?

My dad was into his boxing back in the day but lost touch when it all went over to sky. He'd still watch the big fights but he couldnt tell you who any given champion was at any time. Yet, when I told him about the super six (literally, a five minute conversation consisting of "yeah it's basically six of the best supermiddleweights in the world fighting each other, set up a bit like the champions league") he was all over it. "When does it start? Who's in it? So who's the best then? What channel is it on? I'll watch that".

If my arl fella can get into after me giving him one line, the public would lap it up after a marketing campaign!

[TheGiftedOne]

Ah the old "recession" stuff, yet David Haye has become a superstar in this country during that same "recession". And remember, this is the same sky tv that barely acknowledged Haye existed at one point, now he's a sky star. Maybe David Hayes team just arent as completely inept as Mick is?

The Taylor fight not even live on any tv channel, PPV or otherwise. The Dirrell fight was even more laughable in a way, on PPV yet Virgin Media viewers cant fucking buy it!! How stupid is that? You put something on PPV then certain people arent allowed to actually buy it!

And here we are once again, the same shitty channel. If you think thats all good and Mick is doing a brilliant job then fair enough, I disagree and its pointless continuing it as our views are so far apart.

It's pointless because you refuse to say what Mick should have done, you just keep repeating the same 'Mick is shit' mantra.

Haye's done very well for himself, he's a one-man PR machine and the way he promoted his HW World title fight with the Giant was a thing of beauty, but what's happened to Hayemaker promotions in this (in your eyes fabled) 'Recession' and since he lost the Setanta contract?

Haye (himself) is one of the few people who have prospered in this recession, but that doesn't make everybody who hasn't matched his recent achievements as inept.

Primetime brought their launch date forward, so they could show Froch-Dirrell which explains the technical problems they had. If they hadn't have brought it forward the show could have gone un-aired

I've repestedly asked this question throughout the thread, but you seem unable to muster up a valid response, what were Micks other options to Primetime? I think he's done well to get the fight live on TV considering TV's apathy to the sport

[ellaineo]

Fat Mick tries to blame everything (the recession) and everyone ( ITV, BBC, Sky) for not getting Froch on live TV that doesn't pause every 30 seconds, but the truth is he is shit at his job. If Froch was with ******, Maloney, Hearn, Hatton or Hayemaker he would be on live TV if not PPV. Froch is obviously very loyal and maybe he doesn't crave fame and wealth but it doesn't excuse fatboy for being unable to deliver the goods.

[ScouseLad]

The Haye comparison is a good one.

Valuev was limited but the fight was marketed brilliantly.

Taylor was a better opponent for Froch than Valuev was for Haye. They could have sold that fight as being "The man that beat BHop" v Froch. I cant see how it would have been that difficult to build that fight up and get the market interested. Even is Joe Public dont know who BHop is, tell them he was a great middleweight that was dethroned by Taylor. And now Froch's fighting this dude.

Worse still, how can anyone not sell the super six?

My dad was into his boxing back in the day but lost touch when it all went over to sky. He'd still watch the big fights but he couldnt tell you who any given champion was at any time. Yet, when I told him about the super six (literally, a five minute conversation consisting of "yeah it's basically six of the best supermiddleweights in the world fighting each other, set up a bit like the champions league") he was all over it. "When does it start? Who's in it? So who's the best then? What channel is it on? I'll watch that".

If my arl fella can get into after me giving him one line, the public would lap it up after a marketing campaign!

Exactly, they could have done a good job with it easily, the man who beat Hopkins, you know Froch would have been on SSN everyday saying Calzaghe ducked Taylor which gets more interest etc etc. It'd have done ok I think, but we didnt even end up with it on tv.

It wouldnt surprise me if you asked 200 people in a random town who theyve heard of, Carl Froch or Mikkel Kessler the majority would answer Kessler. Hardly anyone is bothered about him, its pretty sad really.

[TheGiftedOne]

Worse still, how can anyone not sell the super six?


Christ you lot are hard work! :yep

it's because there are very few TV stations who are interested in shwing any type of boxing at all. Sky or Primetime look to be the only 2 realistic options and Mick must be confident he can get more money from the Primetime route than the Sky route

[icemax]

the best that the North Dakota Nightclub boxing circuit has to offer.

:rofl:rofl:rofl

[ScouseLad]

It's pointless because you refuse to say what Mick should have done, you just keep repeating the same 'Mick is shit' mantra.

Haye's done very well for himself, he's a one-man PR machine and the way he promoted his HW World title fight with the Giant was a thing of beauty, but what's happened to Hayemaker promotions in this (in your eyes fabled) 'Recession' and since he lost the Setanta contract?

Haye (himself) is one of the few people who have prospered in this recession, but that doesn't make everybody who hasn't matched his recent achievements as inept.

Primetime brought their launch date forward, so they could show Froch-Dirrell which explains the technical problems they had. If they hadn't have brought it forward the show could have gone un-aired

I've repestedly asked this question throughout the thread, but you seem unable to muster up a valid response, what were Micks other options to Primetime? I think he's done well to get the fight live on TV considering TV's apathy to the sport

I've credited Hennessey loads of times for the recent fights he's got Froch, you just choose to ignore those bits though.

Primetime are still having the same problems regarding virgin viewers so that excuse doesnt wash, nice try though.

Sky, as others have said 10s of times. Are you honestly telling me sky wouldnt have been interested in Taylor or Dirrell fights? He was also negotating with ITV for the Taylor fight. Offers were there so dont pretend they werent.

[ScouseLad]

Mick must be confident he can get more money from the Primetime route than the Sky route

One of which cant be got on virgin media and one which can. And you wonder why people are criticising him!! :patsch

[PaddyD1983]

Christ you lot are hard work! :yep

it's because there are very few TV stations who are interested in shwing any type of boxing at all. Sky or Primetime look to be the only 2 realistic options and Mick must be confident he can get more money from the Primetime route than the Sky route

And why were Sky interested in Haye v Valuev? Because of Haye's circus antics.

I agree with you, TV are apathetic towards boxing. And that's down to the fact that they dont see it as high profile enough to get a decent return from any investment. Hatton was a phenomenon and could (and probably still can) sell out an arena and get a million PPVs for a glorified sparring session.

Outside of that it's up to people to drum up interest.

My point is, how can anyone fail to sell the Super six as a concept to the public? There's the issue. Do that and the TV companies will follow. At the end of the day, all TV care about is the $$. Show them that there's enough interest from the public and they knwo they will get their viewing figures and ergo get their advertising.

Why wasnt Froch on Question of Sport, Jonathan Ross, Sky Sports News, Soccer AM... f*ckin Jeremy Kyle. I dont care. If the public get interested, it's an easy sale.

And I really cant see how it can be difficult to sell such a tournament to a market like British sports fans.

Going back to Mick, at the very start of this thread, I said that he had done a good job with match making and I asked the question whether, if Froch had been with FW - would he be in the Super Six at all. But we've moved on from that to now that Froch is in the super six, why does no one know about it?!!!!

[TheGiftedOne]

I've credited Hennessey loads of times for the recent fights he's got Froch, you just choose to ignore those bits though.

Primetime are still having the same problems regarding virgin viewers so that excuse doesnt wash, nice try though.

Sky, as others have said 10s of times. Are you honestly telling me sky wouldnt have been interested in Taylor or Dirrell fights? He was also negotating with ITV for the Taylor fight. Offers were there so dont pretend they werent.

Clearly he was negotiating with ITV for the Taylor fight as it was shown on ITV1 on a less than 24 hour delay. 3am US start times are no good for ITV as they're income is based on advertising

So you think Mick should have sold the fight to Sky for less money than he could have got off Primetime?? and you say Mick is shit at promoting!!

It's unfortunate that Primetime and Virgin can't sort their stuff out, but hey-ho shit happens, just watch it round a mates house who's got Sky :good
Personally I'm just happy that the fight is being shown live, Hayemaker promotions have shown what can happen when you lose a TV contract. Primetime and similar channels look to be the future of boxing, as they can pick up the second wave of fights that Sky can't/won't show otherwise we're solely dependent on Sky TV for boxing and that can't be a healthy position for the sport to be in

[Bodysnatcher]

You can't tell me Mick couldn't have done a deal with ITV.

I can't believe Froch is making much from Primetime - he gets most of his cash from Showtime for the Super 6.

Mick could have been reasonable and haggled a fair price with ITV, which would have given Froch huge national exposure.

Instead he hides him away on Shit-Time TV.

[Bodysnatcher]

Primetime and similar channels look to be the future of boxing,

Primetime will probably go the same way as Wire TV.

(Vanished after showing Lewis vs McCall)

[TheGiftedOne]

One of which cant be got on virgin media and one which can. And you wonder why people are criticising him!! :patsch

one that will make £x's and one that will make £2x's :patsch

I think Mick and Primetime should be commended for getting this fight to us on live TV, he could quite easily go the way of Fight Academy and Hayemaker Promotions, but he's still plugging away.

Although with the way that TV couldn't give a toss about boxing I wouldn't be surprised if he does fall to the way side if he can't secure another contract to show the likes of Murray, Barker, Fury etc. which would be a sad sad day for British Boxing as Mick always looks to put on competitive bouts unlike certain other promoters

[TheGiftedOne]

You can't tell me Mick couldn't have done a deal with ITV.


I can tell you exactly that! ITV are in absolute financial ruin and they decided they were getting out of boxing when they had some new geeza in charge, despite Micks shows picking up very good viewing figures they still aren't interested.

He may have been able to give them the fight, but he like everyone else will needs to make the most money

[robpalmer135]

if he had signed with ****** he wouldnt be in the super 6.

[TheGiftedOne]

Primetime will probably go the same way as Wire TV.

(Vanished after showing Lewis vs McCall)

Possibly, but that will be another nail in the coffin for boxing and will leave us solely dependent on Sky like the dim and dark days of the nineties :| (post Benn - McLellan)

[ScouseLad]

Clearly he was negotiating with ITV for the Taylor fight as it was shown on ITV1 on a less than 24 hour delay.

Err exactly!!

He was first negotating with ITV to have it live aswell as sky and guess what? Nothing happened.

I've got virgin media and all the channels yet Carl Froch's two biggest ever fights I havent been able to view (and I assume it'll be the same for Kessler). Spin it any way you want, it is fucking crap promoting.

[Jordan]

To thegifted one (pg 1) I agree whole heartedly with the terrestrial tv companies not standing up. Its a disgrace. But sky? They have been nothing short of superb since the demise of Setanta. Pac and Mayfeather blockbusters shown for free and they came in for Haye, had a masterstroke with Khan, and will always be with Hatton until the end. Then look at the dosmetic fights they show for free every weekend, the night of champions was a great card. Haye was undisputed cruiserweight champ without a massively lucrative contract. (Until he moved up to HW) Froch needs to dump Mick, period, ****** and Froch despise each other. Hatton Promotions would be a corking choice. He would be in with Goldenboy also.

[JIM KELLY]

Defo!!

Froch has the ball in his court and still isn't worth shit..He deserves more attention and good deals..

Mick is lame and wrong!

[leforge]

Froch will stay with Mick to the end. John Murray should move to Hatton. Baker will probably stay loyal to Mick though.

[BoxingFanNo1]

The fact that a British world champion isn't on British TV is a crime whatever way people cut it.

The End.

[trotter]

The fact that a British world champion isn't on British TV is a crime whatever way people cut it.

The End.

With a gazillion channels - ITV alone has 4 for fucks sake - it's even worse.

The End part II.

[djoc175]

Carl Froch was just on the picture board round on Question of Sport...they didn't guess him

[calumbo]

Carl Froch was just on the picture board round on Question of Sport...they didn't guess him

HAHA aye they were guessing it was enzo!!

:lol: :-(

[djoc175]

Sue:''..and number 1 was the boxer,Carl Froch''

Phil Tufnell:''oohhhhh Carl Froch(who the fuck is he?)''