Wins that don't get enough credit!

[LogDog69]

There are certain fights that I don't think the winner got enough credit for. Here are a few off of the top of my head:

Chagaev/Valuev - Chagaev gave up a foot in height and almost 100 pounds against a guy who was 46-0 and he beat him. It just seems to me that this wasn't talked about enough or wasn't recognized as a great enough victory

Cotto/Malignaggi - Malignaggi (I guess that's how you spell it) is being talked about as one of the best at 140 right now, if not the best since Hatton is moving up. The only loss on his record is from Cotto and I consider this win almost as big, if not just as big as Cotto's win over Judah. It just doesn't seem like anyone thinks this win has any significance for Cotto

Mayweather/Judah - Now I'm not a Mayweather fan at all, in fact, I would love to see Hatton beat the shit out of him (although I know it's probably not going to happen). Cotto get's a shitload of recognition for his win over Judah, which of course, came after Mayweather beat him. I think Mayweather should get more recognition for this win.



Name a few of your fights like this...I know there has to be several I didn't think of. :good

[koko of phil]

All the Mayweather UD wins lately, rubbish.

[BewareofDawg]

Wladimir/Byrd
When Vitali won the event against Lewis
Margarito/Cintron
Taylor/Hopkins
Hatton/Castillo

[warrior85]

definetly hatton/castillo,ill mention an old 1 in gatti/rodriguez(mar96) just bcoz ive never seen any1 else mention that fight on here

[Ziggy Montana]

[...] I consider this win almost as big, if not just as big as Cotto's win over Judah. It just doesn't seem like anyone thinks this win has any significance for Cotto

Mayweather/Judah - Now I'm not a Mayweather fan at all, in fact, I would love to see Hatton beat the shit out of him (although I know it's probably not going to happen). Cotto get's a shitload of recognition for his win over Judah, which of course, came after Mayweather beat him. I think Mayweather should get more recognition for this win.LogDog69,

I fail to see what's "big" about beating Judah. Certainly the most overrated welterweight, must I need to name one.

[Lampley]

Cotto/Quintana -- I think Carlos is a very talented fighter, and Cotto absolutely drew the blood out of him. Basically made him quit.

Mayweather/Judah -- Prior to the Baldomir fight, people said Judah would be Floyd's toughest matchup. But then the A-game Judah fought Floyd that April, and Mayweather still managed to wear him down with superior skills and intelligence.

[Lacyace]

Hopkins vs De la Hoya and Felix Trinidad

[koko of phil]

Hopkins vs De la Hoya and Felix Trinidad

I think much better to say all the Bhop wins. :tired :yep

[Stinky gloves]

Calzaghe/Lacy

[Chiko_Tech]

Calzaghe/Lacy

Whatt that is the most overated win in recent history.

[KO byBRIGGS]

Briggs got no credit for KO'ing Liakovich last year

[thewoo]

Hopkins vs De la Hoya and Felix Trinidad

I agree with you on Tito but not DLH. Tito had proven power at middleweight, he had destroyed Joppy whom no other middle was or ever has been able to KO since then. He had filled out middleweight quite nicely and even looked bigger than hopkins in some ways, it was the first loss for a prime fighter at a weight that might not have been his best but where he still would have beaten everyone else other than hopkins. Not to mention that Tito was either # 1 or 2 on just about every p4p list at the time. Hopkins was a 3-1 underdog going into this fight

DLH on the other hand was past his prime, significantly outsized by hopkins, had lost to much smaller men already and looked like shit in his only fight at middle (arguably lost it). Hoya was a 6-1 underdog going into the fight and for good reason.


With regard to the original thread question, I think Hatton deserves more credit for his win over Tzyu. people say that Tzyu was old and shot but he was also top 5 p4p, the undisputed champ of the division and a huge favorite over Hatton.

[LogDog69]

LogDog69,

I fail to see what's "big" about beating Judah. Certainly the most overrated welterweight, must I need to name one.

I didn't necessarily mean beating Judah was "big". I really just wanted to put more emphasis on the fact that almost everyone considers Judah to be Cotto's biggest win and disses Mayweather for fighting Judah after Judah was beaten by Baldo. No one disses Cotto for fighting Judah after he was beaten by Baldo and Mayweather...therefore that's why I look at Mayweather's win over Judah at underappreciated and without enough recognition.

As far as Judah being "overrated," I say yes and no. I mean he is the only one to ever knock out spinks and he was the undisputed welterweight champion. On the other hand, him being touted as Pernell Whitaker with some pop, I don't think so.

[LogDog69]

Briggs got no credit for KO'ing Liakovich last year

I have a very well thought out answer as to why Briggs didn't get much credit for KO'ing Liakovich last year....because he SUCKS ASS!!!!! :yep

[Lacyace]

Briggs got no credit for KO'ing Liakovich last year

It's funny because no one will admit it now but people were calling Lyakhovich the best heavyweight. Then when he goes down, those same people disappear.

[Stickandmove]

Wlad - Calvin Brock
Wlad - Lamon Brewster

Potentially dangerous fights against guys with the power to knock Wlad out, but he negotiated both without major incident. He should be universally recognised and championed as a best heavyweight in the world bringing some status back to the heavyweight division.

Perhaps his 'safety first' style is putting people off.

And the promoters are probably still worried that he's just one punch away from the next huge knockout loss. It's still difficult to believe in Wlad and forget those losses to Sanders and Brewster (not to mention Purrity).

Perhaps a convincing second win over Sam Peter would convince the world that Wlad is here to stay.

[koko of phil]

I have a sneaking suspicion this foreinger has clue what the thread is about.

I think I am much well aware than you do, wise guy.

[standing 8]

I didn't necessarily mean beating Judah was "big". I really just wanted to put more emphasis on the fact that almost everyone considers Judah to be Cotto's biggest win and disses Mayweather for fighting Judah after Judah was beaten by Baldo. No one disses Cotto for fighting Judah after he was beaten by Baldo and Mayweather...therefore that's why I look at Mayweather's win over Judah at underappreciated and without enough recognition.

As far as Judah being "overrated," I say yes and no. I mean he is the only one to ever knock out spinks and he was the undisputed welterweight champion. On the other hand, him being touted as Pernell Whitaker with some pop, I don't think so.

I agree, there seems to be a double standard in judging Mayweather's preformance in his last few fights.

[PH|LLA]

I know this post won't get alot of replies but the number one win that doesn't get the credit it deserves is Hopkins over Tarver.

Hopkins is a career 160lber who moved up 15lbs and two divisions absolutely demolish the Ring Magazine champ.

Tarver's previous 7 fights were
Eric Harding TKO5
Montell Griffin UD12 120-106 on all cards
Roy Jones Jr loss by MD
Roy Jones Jr TKO2
Glen Johnson loss by SD
Glen Johnson UD
Roy Jones Jr UD

I mean Hopkins catches alot of flak for beating a top p4p guy who made his career 6 pounds below where BHop made his, and he gets little to no credit for moving up 15lbs and completely dominating the Ring Magazine champ (at the time Tarver was in most top10 p4p lists as well)

[Sedona]

Calzaghe/Lacy:yikes:nut??
:blabla This is all I've been hearing about since I began reading this forum in earnest, 6 months ago. One would believe this was bigger than the Battle of Britain or the invasion of Normandy.