Champions Forever volume 2...?

[Stevie G]

I still enjoy watching this excellent documentary on Ali,Frazier,Foreman,Norton and Holmes every now and then. I'd love it if they did a similar one on Duran,Hagler,Hearns,and Leonard. Any suggestions for any other group of fighters ?

[teeto]

When i saw the name of the thread i was going to mention the fab 4! Imagine it.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Beau Jack, Ike Williams, Bob Montgomery and Jimmy Carter. Would have been better 20 years ago when they were all alive of course.

[teeto]

Emile Griffith Nino Benvenuti Carlos Monzon and.........

[teeto]

could have Napoles, they don't have to have all fought each other, the heavies never

[teeto]

Shit Monzon's dead

[Son of Gaul]

I still enjoy watching this excellent documentary on Ali,Frazier,Foreman,Norton and Holmes every now and then. I'd love it if they did a similar one on Duran,Hagler,Hearns,and Leonard. Any suggestions for any other group of fighters ?

How about SRR, Gene Fullmer, Carmen Basilio, Jake Lamotta?

[teeto]

How about SRR, Gene Fullmer, Carmen Basilio, Jake Lamotta?
I've got a good one, Robinson, Gavilan, Basilio, Fulmer

[Flea Man]

They did one on 'Ltin Legends' Arguello, Duran, Gavilan, Ortiz, Sanchez and Chavez. Brilliant.

[teeto]

They did one on 'Ltin Legends' Arguello, Duran, Gavilan, Ortiz, Sanchez and Chavez. Brilliant.
I've got that. It's not a sit down like Champions Forever though. But it's great, better interviews and the music is unreal.

[Flea Man]

yeah the musics all 80's/90's cheese :lol:

Yeah it's brill though, the interviews are fantastic and with such good interviewees and quality footage.

Just sublime, better than the Heavyweight one IMO

[teeto]

I've got it.

Ruben Olivares, Lionel Rose, Fighting Harada, Eder Jofre and special guest, Alan Rudkin.

You'd need a translator, even for Rose!

(here come the scouse jokes about needing a translator for Rudkin.......)

[teeto]

Seriously though, the fab 4 would probably be the best.

[Stevie G]

They did one on 'Ltin Legends' Arguello, Duran, Gavilan, Ortiz, Sanchez and Chavez. Brilliant.
Never knew this. I'll look out for it :good

[Flea Man]

I've got it.

Ruben Olivares, Lionel Rose, Fighting Harada, Eder Jofre and special guest, Alan Rudkin.

You'd need a translator, even for Rose!

(here come the scouse jokes about needing a translator for Rudkin.......)

This would be the best one.

[he grant]

Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis and Bowe would be interesting ....

[Stevie G]

Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis and Bowe would be interesting ....
Yes,it would be interesting to see how Lewis and Bowe get on nowadays.

[prime]

They did one on 'Ltin Legends' Arguello, Duran, Gavilan, Ortiz, Sanchez and Chavez. Brilliant.

Argüello's and Ortiz's extended comments in English -and Durán, joyously coming to us from the gym where he started- make this a real keeper.

I suspect the dubbed translation is awful, though. I wish I could hear more of what Durán says about his fights. For instance, he says after his first amateur fight people threw money into the ring, which is sublime. Then he goes on to say he lost three of his next bouts. The translation would have us believe he said, "I was terrible in those days." He actually says, "Estaba salado en esa época", which is much better understood as, "I was jinxed in those days."

A near-prime Chávez states matter-of-factly that Durán is the greatest of all the Latino fighters.

Wonderful treasure.

[teeto]

Argüello's and Ortiz's extended comments in English -and Durán, joyously coming to us from the gym where he started- make this a real keeper.

I suspect the dubbed translation is awful, though. I wish I could hear more of what Durán says about his fights. For instance, he says after his first amateur fight people threw money into the ring, which is sublime. Then he goes on to say he lost three of his next bouts. The translation would have us believe he said, "I was terrible in those days." He actually says, "Estaba salado en esa época", which is much better understood as, "I was jinxed in those days."

A near-prime Chávez states matter-of-factly that Durán is the greatest of all the Latino fighters.

Wonderful treasure.
Hahaha thanks for that, more fool us for believing that Duran actually thought he was ever terrible!

[mcvey]

Emile Griffith Nino Benvenuti Carlos Monzon and.........

Luis Rodriguez ?

[teeto]

Luis Rodriguez ?
There we go, get in McVey, goal

[GPater11093]

I've got that. It's not a sit down like Champions Forever though. But it's great, better interviews and the music is unreal.

Amazing political speeches at the end really make the film for me. Its just so surreal and random, all of a sudden it goes from a mean looking but old Kid Gavilan demonstrating a bolo punch to Arguellos political ideaology and then Durans anti drug stance.

yeah the musics all 80's/90's cheese :lol:

Yeah it's brill though, the interviews are fantastic and with such good interviewees and quality footage.

Just sublime, better than the Heavyweight one IMO

It is an amazing DVD, thanks for letting em borrow it.

I've got it.

Ruben Olivares, Lionel Rose, Fighting Harada, Eder Jofre and special guest, Alan Rudkin.

You'd need a translator, even for Rose!

(here come the scouse jokes about needing a translator for Rudkin.......)

:lol::lol:

That would be the best one IMO

Be interesting to see Harada's thoughts on an Olivares vs Jofre match up and a Rudkin vs Jofre fight for that matter. Even though Rudkin never beat any of those guys he belongs there with them (not as great, but he gave 3 of them a rough ride)

Argüello's and Ortiz's extended comments in English -and Durán, joyously coming to us from the gym where he started- make this a real keeper.

I suspect the dubbed translation is awful, though. I wish I could hear more of what Durán says about his fights. For instance, he says after his first amateur fight people threw money into the ring, which is sublime. Then he goes on to say he lost three of his next bouts. The translation would have us believe he said, "I was terrible in those days." He actually says, "Estaba salado en esa época", which is much better understood as, "I was jinxed in those days."

A near-prime Chávez states matter-of-factly that Durán is the greatest of all the Latino fighters.

Wonderful treasure.

Thanks for that wee snippets.

Ortiz and Beau Jack actually look absoloute brick solid in that DVD

[Flea Man]

They're all still alive and all. I wish I'd pursued me film making, I'd probably have the kind of contacts/talented friends that would enable me to make that documentary, especially with a contact like Al Francis :lol:

Damn, would make an awesome doc.

[Flea Man]

Argüello's and Ortiz's extended comments in English -and Durán, joyously coming to us from the gym where he started- make this a real keeper.

I suspect the dubbed translation is awful, though. I wish I could hear more of what Durán says about his fights. For instance, he says after his first amateur fight people threw money into the ring, which is sublime. Then he goes on to say he lost three of his next bouts. The translation would have us believe he said, "I was terrible in those days." He actually says, "Estaba salado en esa época", which is much better understood as, "I was jinxed in those days."

A near-prime Chávez states matter-of-factly that Durán is the greatest of all the Latino fighters.

Wonderful treasure.

A shit hot post, as a fan of that Documentary, thanks:good

[teeto]

They're all still alive and all. I wish I'd pursued me film making, I'd probably have the kind of contacts/talented friends that would enable me to make that documentary, especially with a contact like Al Francis :lol:

Damn, would make an awesome doc.
Pull your finger out your ass and do it.

[Flea Man]

Pull your finger out your ass and do it.

No chance. I have no money.

Could you imagine meeting these guys.

The Doc would be simple, me you and Greg go to visit each of these great warriors. We talk to them all about their careers and their recollections and opinions of the other fighters.

So, we meet Al Rudkin and Al Jr in a Liverpool pub, and chew the fat about Olivares, Harada, and talk about what coulda been with Jofre.

Onto Australia, Lionel Rose, and we ask him who was the best out of the lot, his recollections of Olivares.

I say we leave Olivares til last. He came around towards the end of that lots tenure at Bantam, and by the time we meet him we would've mythologised about this wildman, somehow acquiring the rights to his footage and using TheGreatA/BoxingUnion highlights package to show just how amazing he was :lol:

Who knows, maybe we unearth footage of Olivares-Rudkin, its our fantasy film after all.

Then they all meet up at the End on neutral ground. Would cost about a hundred odd grand to make probably, and no one would want to fund it. Shame.

[GPater11093]

No chance. I have no money.

Could you imagine meeting these guys.

The Doc would be simple, me you and Greg go to visit each of these great warriors. We talk to them all about their careers and their recollections and opinions of the other fighters.

So, we meet Al Rudkin and Al Jr in a Liverpool pub, and chew the fat about Olivares, Harada, and talk about what coulda been with Jofre.

Onto Australia, Lionel Rose, and we ask him who was the best out of the lot, his recollections of Olivares.

I say we leave Olivares til last. He came around towards the end of that lots tenure at Bantam, and by the time we meet him we would've mythologised about this wildman, somehow acquiring the rights to his footage and using TheGreatA/BoxingUnion highlights package to show just how amazing he was :lol:

Who knows, maybe we unearth footage of Olivares-Rudkin, its our fantasy film after all.

Then they all meet up at the End on neutral ground. Would cost about a hundred odd grand to make probably, and no one would want to fund it. Shame.

Sounds brilliant.

But the WBC Convention is in Wales this year, end of July. Good chance most of these guys will be there, and ALFrancis might be going with his Dad.

[ricardoparker93]

I've got a good one, Robinson, Gavilan, Basilio, Fulmer

Christ I didnt realise Basilio, LaMotta and Fullmer are all still alive!

[Flea Man]

Sounds brilliant.

But the WBC Convention is in Wales this year, end of July. Good chance most of these guys will be there, and ALFrancis might be going with his Dad.

Make it then. You've got a camera, and two printers.

[GPater11093]

Make it then. You've got a camera, and two printers.

And ones a colour, you better rememer that.

I'm seriously thinking of going down, thing is I start my job that week, so could only make it to Wales for the last day of the Convention, which is a kick in the stones. But I'm definitly wanting to go to it. If I save up some cash I should be able to afford the £250 to get to the banquet, then its just convining the old man to let me go.

[teeto]

No chance. I have no money.

Could you imagine meeting these guys.

The Doc would be simple, me you and Greg go to visit each of these great warriors. We talk to them all about their careers and their recollections and opinions of the other fighters.

So, we meet Al Rudkin and Al Jr in a Liverpool pub, and chew the fat about Olivares, Harada, and talk about what coulda been with Jofre.

Onto Australia, Lionel Rose, and we ask him who was the best out of the lot, his recollections of Olivares.

I say we leave Olivares til last. He came around towards the end of that lots tenure at Bantam, and by the time we meet him we would've mythologised about this wildman, somehow acquiring the rights to his footage and using TheGreatA/BoxingUnion highlights package to show just how amazing he was :lol:

Who knows, maybe we unearth footage of Olivares-Rudkin, its our fantasy film after all.

Then they all meet up at the End on neutral ground. Would cost about a hundred odd grand to make probably, and no one would want to fund it. Shame.
This is amazing. How can you make a post like this and then talk about impossibility. I'm a dreamer, i can't handle impossibilities.

This must happen.

[teeto]

And ones a colour, you better rememer that.

I'm seriously thinking of going down, thing is I start my job that week, so could only make it to Wales for the last day of the Convention, which is a kick in the stones. But I'm definitly wanting to go to it. If I save up some cash I should be able to afford the £250 to get to the banquet, then its just convining the old man to let me go.
When is it?

[john garfield]

Beau Jack, Ike Williams, Bob Montgomery and Jimmy Carter. Would have been better 20 years ago when they were all alive of course.

A man after my own heart, M. You must be a fossil, like me.

[GPater11093]

When is it?

Last Thursday off July till the last Saturday.

[teeto]

Last Thursday off July till the last Saturday.
I must be in attendance, it is my destiny.

[GPater11093]

I must be in attendance, it is my destiny.

Same here, really wanting to go. Will talk it through with my folks tommorow to see if they would sponser my trip :lol::lol:

[teeto]

Same here, really wanting to go. Will talk it through with my folks tommorow to see if they would sponser my trip :lol::lol:
It's for a good cause.

[GPater11093]

It's for a good cause.

I start a new job that week so I coul pay them back at some point, and they know I would really like it.

Anyway im off to bed

[Flea Man]

I'll go if you two definitely go.

[teeto]

I'll go if you two definitely go.
I can't say definite right now but this can be arranged. Let me look at it for a day or two.

[GPater11093]

I'll go if you two definitely go.

Would be class, eh?

Will speak to my Dad imorn see what he thinks then play it form there

[AlFrancis]

This is amazing. How can you make a post like this and then talk about impossibility. I'm a dreamer, i can't handle impossibilities.

This must happen.


Next time I'm home I'll take your for a bevvy with me dad in the Crack. That will be the first step accomplished.

[Flea Man]

aSK YOUR OLD MAN IF HE'LL GET ME MEETS WITH ALL THE FIGHTERS i MENTIONED :LOL:

(oops caps) I would be well up for making the doc, got a levels in film and media if that helps :rofl :good

[AlFrancis]

aSK YOUR OLD MAN IF HE'LL GET ME MEETS WITH ALL THE FIGHTERS i MENTIONED :LOL:

(oops caps) I would be well up for making the doc, got a levels in film and media if that helps :rofl :good

I've been hoping that maybe Olivares and Harada might be at the convention. How's your Japanese?
As it happens, me dad met up with Harada and Rose a few years back when he was invited to the Australian boxing hall of fame do in Melbourne.

[teeto]

Next time I'm home I'll take your for a bevvy with me dad in the Crack. That will be the first step accomplished.
Alright mate, that would be great. Are you over soon? I'm just about to watch the match now but i'll be on later.

By the way everyone, me and AlFrancis got smashed last time!

[Flea Man]

I've been hoping that maybe Olivares and Harada might be at the convention. How's your Japanese?
As it happens, me dad met up with Harada and Rose a few years back when he was invited to the Australian boxing hall of fame do in Melbourne.

Shit hot.

I'd imagine I'd subtitle Harada for te doc. Anyone interested in funding it :rofl

[GPater11093]

aSK YOUR OLD MAN IF HE'LL GET ME MEETS WITH ALL THE FIGHTERS i MENTIONED :LOL:

(oops caps) I would be well up for making the doc, got a levels in film and media if that helps :rofl :good

Flea, you could be the guy speaking about the fighters in an overly pretentious way.

I've been hoping that maybe Olivares and Harada might be at the convention. How's your Japanese?
As it happens, me dad met up with Harada and Rose a few years back when he was invited to the Australian boxing hall of fame do in Melbourne.

Mine is excellant. :lol:

Shit hot.

I'd imagine I'd subtitle Harada for te doc. Anyone interested in funding it :rofl

I will find it, i got £3 in my pocket.