From Broken Man To Beast: Fighters Who Really were that much better after a beating?

[JonOli]

From Broken Man To Beast: Fighters Who Really were that much better after a good beating?

[tony mush]

i dunno khan?

[Gaz S]

Not that he was ever a "broken man" or sustained a "beating" as such, but Lennox Lewis developed into a far more formidable fighter after his defeat against Oliver McCall.
You could also say history repeated itself after the first Rahman fight also. He got a little complacent, had a huge wake up call and came back to absolutely destroy Rahman.

I would also argue Nigel Benn became a better fighter after the Watson defeat. He wasn't quite as reckless or wild, but still just as intense.

I think Amir Khan has improved massively after Prescott, but he still has a long way to go before his career is over, so time will tell on that one.

[Kid Lucky]

Benn's a definite - he was a disaster waiting to happen before the Watson fight and was all but stopped by Logan.

David Haye's always saying how he never trained or took fights seriously before the Thompson loss so him also.

[Addie]

Marco Antonio Barrera was a beast before and after 1997, but he certainly improved and grew as a fighter after his lossess to Jones. Certainly.

[WesT]

James J Braddock

[ishy]

Hopkins after the Jones loss.

Joe Louis after Schmelling.

[Beeston Brawler]

Haye

[Flea Man]

Sung Kil Moon following his one-sided loss to Khaokor Galaxy.

Dropped down to super-fly and DESTROYED peeps :deal

[Lee Mc]

John Ruiz!

[robpalmer135]

Paulie Mallignaggi seems to off turned himself around after the Hatton defeat.

[Flea Man]

John Ruiz!

:good Good pick.

[Top Dog]

:good Good pick.


I hate those old picks of fighters like your avatar, look at the form??!:lol: Unless its a held shot for the camera, they werent really any good at taking still pics back then right enough.

[Flea Man]

I hate those old picks of fighters like your avatar, look at the form??!:lol: Unless its a held shot for the camera, they werent really any good at taking still pics back then right enough.

I'm sorry, I must change it then:patsch

If you wanna' see Mickey Walkers form watch him fight Louis-conquerer Max Schmeling. Considering Walker was a former WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION it's quite an impressive showing.

[Lee Mc]

Paulie Mallignaggi seems to off turned himself around after the Hatton defeat.

Paulie Mallignaggi, as the more observant amongst you will know, is one of my favourite fighters in the sport today. However, I have to admit that prior to his first ever defeat, to Miguel Cotto, he flattered to decieve.

So I would say that it was the Cotto defeat that turned Paulie's career around. I still think that he beats Hatton 9 times out of 10 and simply had an awful night in November 2008.

[Flea Man]

Paulie Mallignaggi, as the more observant amongst you will know, is one of my favourite fighters in the sport today. However, I have to admit that prior to his first ever defeat, to Miguel Cotto, he flattered to decieve.

So I would say that it was the Cotto defeat that turned Paulie's career around. I still think that he beats Hatton 9 times out of 10 and simply had an awful night in November 2008.

I dunno. He had a bad couple of performances, not clearly beating Ngoudjo or N'Dou IMO in the run up to Hatton.

But he's redeemed himself since.

[robpalmer135]

Paulie Mallignaggi, as the more observant amongst you will know, is one of my favourite fighters in the sport today. However, I have to admit that prior to his first ever defeat, to Miguel Cotto, he flattered to decieve.

So I would say that it was the Cotto defeat that turned Paulie's career around. I still think that he beats Hatton 9 times out of 10 and simply had an awful night in November 2008.

I put £100 on him winning a decision!!!!!

when you hear paulie talking about that fight, he is so convinced he would beat hatton now but realistic about his chances of getting the fight.

was so pissed off. said at the time i wouldnt let a documentary influence me so much on a fighter (anyone who hasnt seen magic man...........watch it)

i like his style and i like his personality. he also cares about the sport. Mallignaggi is probs one of my top 10 favourite fighters of all time.

have to disagree with you though Lee. he may have not won agaisnt Cotto but he certainly didnt loose if you no what i mean. went 12 rounds with the beat Cotto, went toe to toe with him with a broken jaw.

after hatton he switched trainers and has beaten Juan Diaz twice (although got robbed in 1) who is a decent world level fighter

[robpalmer135]

I dunno. He had a bad couple of performances, not clearly beating Ngoudjo or N'Dou IMO in the run up to Hatton.

But he's redeemed himself since.

moved trainers. says Buddy McGrit tried to change his style to much.

[Flea Man]

moved trainers. says Buddy McGrit tried to change his style to much.

I know. Fair play to him, he appears to be telling the truth if the Diaz fights are anything to go by :good

[Grant1]

Paulie Mallignaggi, as the more observant amongst you will know, is one of my favourite fighters in the sport today. However, I have to admit that prior to his first ever defeat, to Miguel Cotto, he flattered to decieve.

So I would say that it was the Cotto defeat that turned Paulie's career around. I still think that he beats Hatton 9 times out of 10 and simply had an awful night in November 2008.

I put £100 on him winning a decision!!!!!

when you hear paulie talking about that fight, he is so convinced he would beat hatton now but realistic about his chances of getting the fight.

was so pissed off. said at the time i wouldnt let a documentary influence me so much on a fighter (anyone who hasnt seen magic man...........watch it)

i like his style and i like his personality. he also cares about the sport. Mallignaggi is probs one of my top 10 favourite fighters of all time.

have to disagree with you though Lee. he may have not won agaisnt Cotto but he certainly didnt loose if you no what i mean. went 12 rounds with the beat Cotto, went toe to toe with him with a broken jaw.

after hatton he switched trainers and has beaten Juan Diaz twice (although got robbed in 1) who is a decent world level fighter

How do you both have him against Khan?

[Beeston Brawler]

I didn't give him a chance of beating Hatton based on his previous two fights... with McGirt I felt he was an accident waiting to happen.

Easy money at 9/2 for a stoppage loss.

I can see him beating Khan.... if he can be the one moving in there rather than having to apply pressure Khan will make lots of mistakes.... a 116-112 decision in his favour wouldn't surprise me.

[robpalmer135]

How do you both have him against Khan?

100% want him to win, and I am a Khan fan.

50-50 on whether he can win. Got a feeling there will be another dodgy decision. Also fairly convinced Khan is doing something dodgy like Pacquiao, but thats a whole different argurement.

When Mallignaggi faced Hatton. I had my italian football shirt on, ordered a massive pizza, some italian style crisps and a crate of Peroni. I also cook the best meatballs of any non italian in the world..........i guarentee (got an amazing recipe of a Italian guy in Vegas)

Lee Mc if you live near London your welcome to join me for the Mallignaggi vs Khan fight.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Enzo Maccarenelli suffered a early KO blow to his career and bounced back all the way to become a World Champion !!!!


Enzo - it had been well documented was about 19 years old at the time - and was not taking the fight game seriously enough.

He was out drinking the night before at a Swansea Nighclub until the early hours.

The next day - he fought when still hung over - and was knocked out in 3 rounds by journeyman Lee Swaby.

With his bubble burst - Enzos career could have easily just fell by the wayside.

But he was determined he didnt want to be rembered as just some failed pretty boy.

Just another Glamour boy who didnt have what it took.

He wanted to be remebered for more than just a average boxer who just happened to have movie star good looks.

So despite his glass chin - through hard work and detemination he built himself back up and became WBU and WBO World Crusierweight Champion.

And also even though he got destroyed - he fought for the WBC / WBA World titles too.

So Enzo definetly became alot better fighter after his early KO loss.

[MTB79]

Enzo Maccarenelli suffered a early KO blow to his career and bounced back all the way to become a World Champion !!!!

But he was determined he didnt want to be rembered as just some failed pretty boy.

Just another Glamour boy who didnt have what it took.

He wanted to be remebered for more than just a average boxer who just happened to have movie star good looks.



:blood

[Flea Man]

Enzo Maccarenelli suffered a early KO blow to his career and bounced back all the way to become a World Champion !!!!


Enzo - it had been well documented was about 19 years old at the time - and was not taking the fight game seriously enough.

He was out drinking the night before at a Swansea Nighclub until the early hours.

The next day - he fought when still hung over - and was knocked out in 3 rounds by journeyman Lee Swaby.

With his bubble burst - Enzos career could have easily just fell by the wayside.

But he was determined he didnt want to be rembered as just some failed pretty boy.

Just another Glamour boy who didnt have what it took.

He wanted to be remebered for more than just a average boxer who just happened to have movie star good looks.

So despite his glass chin - through hard work and detemination he built himself back up and became WBU and WBO World Crusierweight Champion.

And also even though he got destroyed - he fought for the WBC / WBA World titles too.

So Enzo definetly became alot better fighter after his early KO loss.


Back to your best :D:good

[Chinny]

Azumah Nelson. Shut the thread :deal

[FLINT ISLAND]

:blood

:huh

I dont see what the confusion is mate

It means sometimes because if your sterotype means you have to prove yourself even more

Take a blonde big breasted woman - if she is a Lawyer she has to work
extra hard to make people see that she is not your typical "blonde bimbo"

So when Enzo got knocked out he had to prove he was more than just a pretty face and he could do more with his life than be a glamour boy - he could become a top boxer too.

[Lee Mc]

How do you both have him against Khan?

I've got him winning a controversial decision. It will be a close fight but I think he'll get the nod.

[kosaros]

Also fairly convinced Khan is doing something dodgy like Pacquiao, but thats a whole different argurement.

Based on what? Putting 5 pounds of weight on? :huh

[Gaz S]

Azumah Nelson. Shut the thread :deal

Aaah, beat me to it!:good

[mugen82]

Bernard Hopkins, Marvin Hagler, Nonito Donaire, Steve Robinson lol.

[robpalmer135]

Based on what? Putting 5 pounds of weight on? :huh

no point going into in this thread. I have made prenty of comments on it elsewhere.

if you wanna discuss will pm you.

[robpalmer135]

Enzo Maccarenelli suffered a early KO blow to his career and bounced back all the way to become a World Champion !!!!


Enzo - it had been well documented was about 19 years old at the time - and was not taking the fight game seriously enough.

He was out drinking the night before at a Swansea Nighclub until the early hours.

The next day - he fought when still hung over - and was knocked out in 3 rounds by journeyman Lee Swaby.

With his bubble burst - Enzos career could have easily just fell by the wayside.

But he was determined he didnt want to be rembered as just some failed pretty boy.

Just another Glamour boy who didnt have what it took.

He wanted to be remebered for more than just a average boxer who just happened to have movie star good looks.

So despite his glass chin - through hard work and detemination he built himself back up and became WBU and WBO World Crusierweight Champion.

And also even though he got destroyed - he fought for the WBC / WBA World titles too.

So Enzo definetly became alot better fighter after his early KO loss.

1) Enzo was never thought off as a glamour bou
2) He will still be remembered as an average boxer
3) He never has, and never will have movie star good looks
4) WBU is not a world title
5) He never won the WBO title in the ring, it was awarded to him when Nelson vacated.

[Gaz S]

Paulie Mallignaggi, as the more observant amongst you will know, is one of my favourite fighters in the sport today. However, I have to admit that prior to his first ever defeat, to Miguel Cotto, he flattered to decieve.

So I would say that it was the Cotto defeat that turned Paulie's career around. I still think that he beats Hatton 9 times out of 10 and simply had an awful night in November 2008.

I have hell of a lot of respect for Malignaggi. Whether you agree with him or not, or like his loudmouth brash style, you have to admit he's not afraid to call it how he sees it. I actually agree with a lot of what he says (most of the time) and I don't hear too many fighters being as open, honest and truthful as Paulie can be, not only about other boxers but about himself also.
Danny Flexen did a great "State Of The Game" interview with him in Boxing News a few months back, and it's one of the better interviews I've read.


Great quote from one of the best writers in the game, Thomas Hauser:

"Let's appreciate Paulie Malignaggi for what he is: a talented fighter who's always in shape, works hard to promote his fights, comes to win, does the best he can with what he has, and refuses to quit. If that's not faithful to to the best traditions of boxing, I don't know what is."

:good Spot on. Like him or not, you have to respect Malignaggi.

[Gaz S]

What about Pernell Whitaker after the first Ramirez fight? In a way, you can make an arguement for it's qualifications in this thread.
Yes Sweet Pea was robbed out of sight in that one, but it was still officially a "loss". Just look what he went on to do afterwards!

[slip&counter]

Miguel Canto, Benny Leonard, Hopkins, who all lost their first fight, i'm sure there are other greats i'm forgetting as well.

[ishy]

Miguel Canto, Benny Leonard, Hopkins, who all lost their first fight, i'm sure there are other greats i'm forgetting as well.

The Marquez brothers both lost on their pro debuts but came back to be world class fighters.

[Flea Man]

The Marquez brothers both lost on their pro debuts but came back to be world class fighters.

Sal Sanchez, Alexis Arguello and Henry Armstrong also suffered early setbacks.

[robpalmer135]

Sal Sanchez, Alexis Arguello and Henry Armstrong also suffered early setbacks.

and hopkins

[Flea Man]

Of course :good

[FLINT ISLAND]

1) Enzo was never thought off as a glamour bou
2) He will still be remembered as an average boxer
3) He never has, and never will have movie star good looks
4) WBU is not a world title
5) He never won the WBO title in the ring, it was awarded to him when Nelson vacated.

1) He stated quite clearly in the build up to the fight with David Haye he wanted to be the unifed Champ to make something of his life and be more than just the glamour boy of Swansea.

2) Average on a world level - but thats alot of levels above getting KO'd by a Jounrneyman like Swaby.

3) Enzo himself said he didnt want to be a "failed pretty boy" and has since starred in a movie just ask Gaz S :deal With loads of women fancying him he was along with rival Versace male model David Haye the ladies sex symbol of British Boxing.

4) WBU is a World title - wether you like it or not.

5) He knocked out Dominguez to become the heir to the throne

[FLINT ISLAND]

David Haye did well to bounce back from the Carl Thompson defeat

All the way to become Heavyweight Champion of the World !!!!!!!!!!


Haye - a personal friend of Big Brother Ladies Man 29 year old Ziggy Lichmen - bounced back and went on a long winning streak - winning Crusierweight and Heavyweight titles.

[Flea Man]

Back to your old ways then :lol:

[robpalmer135]

1) He stated quite clearly in the build up to the fight with David Haye he wanted to be the unifed Champ to make something of his life and be more than just the glamour boy of Swansea.

2) Average on a world level - but thats alot of levels above getting KO'd by a Jounrneyman like Swaby.

3) Enzo himself said he didnt want to be a "failed pretty boy" and has since starred in a movie just ask Gaz S :deal With loads of women fancying him he was along with rival Versace male model David Haye the ladies sex symbol of British Boxing.

4) WBU is a World title - wether you like it or not.

5) He knocked out Dominguez to become the heir to the throne

WBU is not a world title. when was Dominguez WBO champion???

Women might fancy him, but he aint pretty. Its not difficult to be the glamour boy of swansea

[slip&counter]

Enzo Maccarenelli suffered a early KO blow to his career and bounced back all the way to become a World Champion !!!!


Enzo - it had been well documented was about 19 years old at the time - and was not taking the fight game seriously enough.

He was out drinking the night before at a Swansea Nighclub until the early hours.

The next day - he fought when still hung over - and was knocked out in 3 rounds by journeyman Lee Swaby.

With his bubble burst - Enzos career could have easily just fell by the wayside.

But he was determined he didnt want to be rembered as just some failed pretty boy.

Just another Glamour boy who didnt have what it took.

He wanted to be remebered for more than just a average boxer who just happened to have movie star good looks.

So despite his glass chin - through hard work and detemination he built himself back up and became WBU and WBO World Crusierweight Champion.

And also even though he got destroyed - he fought for the WBC / WBA World titles too.

So Enzo definetly became alot better fighter after his early KO loss.

From now on your new name is "Enzo the baker" I'm a huge "Godfather" fan and Enzo was the Chorleone's family baker. When Don Chorleone was in the hospital from a gun shots by the rival family, his son guarded the front of the hospital and Enzo who was no gangster but the baker, stood by Michael and guarded the door as if he had a gun. Your protection for Maccarenelli reminds me of Enzo's loyalty for the Don. Lol.

[FLINT ISLAND]

From now on your new name is "Enzo the baker" I'm a huge "Godfather" fan and Enzo was the Chorleone's family baker. When Don Chorleone was in the hospital from a gun shots by the rival family, his son guarded the front of the hospital and Enzo who was no gangster but the baker, stood by Michael and guarded the door as if he had a gun. Your protection for Maccarenelli reminds me of Enzo's loyalty for the Don. Lol.


Maybe you want to call Frank ****** "Enzo the baker" he put him in with so many bums.

I'm not for protecting Maccarenelli - I would love to see him fight the best out there

[diagnosismurder]

Johnny Nelson

Lost 12 of his first thirty something fights to go on the become the champion of the world for i believe seven to eight years

[izmat]

A young Pacman would have been considered as having a glass body/chin

[GPater11093]

Azumah Nelson. Shut the thread :deal

But did he really get much better, he gave Sanchez absoloute hell then kinda did what was expected of him afterwards.

What about Pernell Whitaker after the first Ramirez fight? In a way, you can make an arguement for it's qualifications in this thread.
Yes Sweet Pea was robbed out of sight in that one, but it was still officially a "loss". Just look what he went on to do afterwards!

I think he matured his style alot after this 'loss' and became a better all round fighting machine.

Alexis Arguello - after his loss with Marcel. He realised he needed much more technique to become a world champion and focussed on his skills which led him to be one of the greatests.

[mryeags]

What about Nigel Benn lost to Eubank then moved up in weight to secure his legacy as a british great at super middle including a contenscious draw against Eubank and odviously the war against McClellan to name but two fights ....

I personally think he was a better fighter after that defeat and chiselled his legacy from then onwards...

[Flea Man]

What about Nigel Benn lost to Eubank then moved up in weight to secure his legacy as a british great at super middle including a contenscious draw against Eubank and odviously the war against McClellan to name but two fights ....

I personally think he was a better fighter after that defeat and chiselled his legacy from then onwards...

i THINK THE wATSON DEFEAT WAS JUST AS IMPORTANT (oops caps)