Enough of Improved Peter theory

[wrastla285]

Want to start out saying, i love sam peter, i think he is a good fighter, and I think he is the second best heavyweight in the world. I do not believe tho, he has improved as much as most on here, and professional writers are saying. Lets look at his 3 big fights.

Wladimir Klitschko- Sam fought a good fight, but was totally dominated with the entire fight with an exception of a few illegal knockdowns and one legit one. (however, doesnt matter if yer dominated, if u get the knockout who cares). Point is he was beaten badly.

Toney I- Most though again that Sam outboxed, i had the fight even, but cases could be made either way. I felt that a dominant HWT should have been able to handily defeat this version of james toney.

Toney II- I had this one 8 round to 4 for Sam. Yes he did look much in this fight then he did in the first fight, but toney was so much worse in this fight i find giving all the credit to sam. I mean i know sam cannot train for james toney, but everyone is saying how greatly he has improved because of this fight. I don't want to take anything away from sam, he won the fight in a big way, but most of it was due to toney lack of showing up.

My conclusion, yes Sam Peter has slightly improved since he was defeated by wladimir klitschko, but no where near as much as he needs to be if he is going to have a chance to beat wlad. I believe they are the best 2 heavies in the world, but Wlad is still in the lead by a long way.

[bumdujour]

Want to start out saying, i love sam peter, i think he is a good fighter, and I think he is the second best heavyweight in the world. I do not believe tho, he has improved as much as most on here, and professional writers are saying. Lets look at his 3 big fights.

Wladimir Klitschko- Sam fought a good fight, but was totally dominated with the entire fight with an exception of a few illegal knockdowns and one legit one. (however, doesnt matter if yer dominated, if u get the knockout who cares). Point is he was beaten badly.

Toney I- Most though again that Sam outboxed, i had the fight even, but cases could be made either way. I felt that a dominant HWT should have been able to handily defeat this version of james toney.

Toney II- I had this one 8 round to 4 for Sam. Yes he did look much in this fight then he did in the first fight, but toney was so much worse in this fight i find giving all the credit to sam. I mean i know sam cannot train for james toney, but everyone is saying how greatly he has improved because of this fight. I don't want to take anything away from sam, he won the fight in a big way, but most of it was due to toney lack of showing up.

My conclusion, yes Sam Peter has slightly improved since he was defeated by wladimir klitschko, but no where near as much as he needs to be if he is going to have a chance to beat wlad. I believe they are the best 2 heavies in the world, but Wlad is still in the lead by a long way.

peter getting dominated by sugarwladdy??

last time i looked, peter had him running and holding on like a cheap cowgirl hooker to a bottle of moonshine!

Take off your pink "i love klittycat" glasses and watch that fight again girl:nono

[wrastla285]

peter getting dominated by sugarwladdy??

last time i looked, peter had him running and holding on like a cheap cowgirl hooker to a bottle of moonshine!

Take off your pink "i love klittycat" glasses and watch that fight again girl:nono

Guess u cant read the punch stat numbers? we can tell who was throwing punches and who was catchin punches, so i suggest you watch it again. or do you only watch 2 round of the fight and skip the other 10?

[bumdujour]

Guess u cant read the punch stat numbers? we can tell who was throwing punches and who was catchin punches, so i suggest you watch it again. or do you only watch 2 round of the fight and skip the other 10?

the punch stat numbers:lol:

watch the clinch stat numbers !!! Seperates the men from the fags!

Btw: are you a girl???

[wrastla285]

the punch stat numbers:lol:

watch the clinch stat numbers !!! Seperates the men from the fags!

Btw: are you a girl???

then what the hell was sam doin the whole match, getting punched and getting held. if the boy could box he wouldnt have been in the posistion to get held. sounds like he was just a punching bag in there.

[bumdujour]

then what the hell was sam doin the whole match, getting punched and getting held. if the boy could box he wouldnt have been in the posistion to get held. sounds like he was just a punching bag in there.

you never boxed have you??

:patsch If the ref is crap and allows one guy to run and hold, there aint nothing you can do about it.

peter just aint used to that pussy style of fighting. had the rules been enforced, peter would have stopped him.

[flem1]

you never boxed have you??

:patsch If the ref is crap and allows one guy to run and hold, there aint nothing you can do about it.

peter just aint used to that pussy style of fighting. had the rules been enforced, peter would have stopped him.

But you gotta admit Wlad beat the crap out of him...

[Zakman]

Peter has improved - most notably in his use of a jab, which was the primary flaw in his game in the Klitschko fight.

IF he sticks to this, and uses the jab to set up his power punches, he has a darn good chance of knocking out Wlad is a rematch.

[box03]

Peter has improved - most notably in his use of a jab, which was the primary flaw in his game in the Klitschko fight.

IF he sticks to this, and uses the jab to set up his power punches, he has a darn good chance of knocking out Wlad is a rematch. Very true, Peter is alot better now than he was 2 years ago when he fought Wlad. Peters goal in the rematch should be to try and take the fight to Wlad, Wlads Panics when hes hit hard and pressured. Peter will not win the boxing match so he shouldnt try to outbox Wlad, instead he should jab and time the right hand so it hits Wlad square on his china chin.

[Stezzie]

then what the hell was sam doin the whole match, getting punched and getting held. if the boy could box he wouldnt have been in the posistion to get held. sounds like he was just a punching bag in there.

Peter was punching and running after Wlad...Wlad did run like bitch even tho he was bigger man. But Wlad did win the boxing match...I don't think he dominated the fight regardless of scores or punch stats. When I watch the fight I do see that he countered well and hit Peter with his best right that usually drops everyone else. He also ran from the fight and held on for dear life so you can't say that that a fighter dominated when they ran or held during 95% of exchanges...

[2smart4u]

Peter was punching and running after Wlad...Wlad did run like bitch even tho he was bigger man. But Wlad did win the boxing match...I don't think he dominated the fight regardless of scores or punch stats. When I watch the fight I do see that he countered well and hit Peter with his best right that usually drops everyone else. He also ran from the fight and held on for dear life so you can't say that that a fighter dominated when they ran or held during 95% of exchanges...:lol: So Im quessin you assume ALI never dominated a dam good fighter his whole carreer ! :yep

[2smart4u]

Peter has improved - most notably in his use of a jab, which was the primary flaw in his game in the Klitschko fight.

IF he sticks to this, and uses the jab to set up his power punches, he has a darn good chance of knocking out Wlad is a rematch.:smoke If PETER trys fighting VLAD in any other way then he did the first fight he will get stopped early ! He has one chance and that is to make VLAD gunshy by going for broke ! If he trys to box VLAD will get confedent and PETER will get starched by the big right over PETERS poor jab ! Its an easy analisis !:deal

[Decker]

:lol: So Im quessin you assume ALI never dominated a dam good fighter his whole carreer ! :yep :rofl :rofl :rofl You know the Wlad critics are right - Ali is even more overrated than I thought ! :lol: Damn, they keep tearing down the legends :tong

2smart4u, where have you been? Me and mostly another guy have been sparring with multiple "Wlad/HW no good now" kool aid drinkers in another thread. It's fun for a spell, but it gets boring after a while too. Especially without equal numbers. You can not beat common sense into most of them :wall

[2smart4u]

:rofl :rofl :rofl You know the Wlad critics are right - Ali is even more overrated than I thought ! :lol: Damn, they keep tearing down the legends :tong

2smart4u, where have you been? Me and mostly another guy have been sparring with multiple "Wlad/HW no good now" kool aid drinkers in another thread. It's fun for a spell, but it gets boring after a while too. Especially without equal numbers. You can not beat common sense into most of them :wall:lol: Its getting bad when a nut like me is asked to infuse anyone with common sense ! But I do know where your coming from !:good

[RUSKULL]

peter getting dominated by sugarwladdy??

last time i looked, peter had him running and holding on like a cheap cowgirl hooker to a bottle of moonshine!

Take off your pink "i love klittycat" glasses and watch that fight again girl:nono

Peter was given credit for 3 knockdowns, although 2 shouldn't have been counted since he clearly fouled, and he still lost by a huge margin.

Eat that asswipe! :smoke

[RUSKULL]

Guess u cant read the punch stat numbers? we can tell who was throwing punches and who was catchin punches, so i suggest you watch it again. or do you only watch 2 round of the fight and skip the other 10?

Or better yet he can take a look at the damage on each fighter's face after the fight to see................................... Peter's head looked like a Mounds bar without the wrapper.

[RUSKULL]

the punch stat numbers:lol:

watch the clinch stat numbers !!! Seperates the men from the fags!

Btw: are you a girl???

Why this strange obsession with homosexuality? Back in the closet you fag!

[RUSKULL]

you never boxed have you??

:patsch If the ref is crap and allows one guy to run and hold, there aint nothing you can do about it.

peter just aint used to that pussy style of fighting. had the rules been enforced, peter would have stopped him.

Bullshit. Try holding James Toney and he'll beat your ass on the inside like he did to the greatest holder ever - John Ruiz.

[RUSKULL]

Peter has improved - most notably in his use of a jab, which was the primary flaw in his game in the Klitschko fight.

IF he sticks to this, and uses the jab to set up his power punches, he has a darn good chance of knocking out Wlad is a rematch.

Nah, more likely Wladimir KO's Peter next time. bank on it. WK's defense & confidence has improved to a point where Peter would have much less chance than the first time around.

Let me add that a good ref would've warned & ultimately DQ'd Peter for repeatedly rabbit punching.

[box03]

Or better yet he can take a look at the damage on each fighter's face after the fight to see................................... Peter's head looked like a Mounds bar without the wrapper. Ill give you that one RUSKULL, you had me cracking up. But thats not talk about whos face was fucked up, you remember what Wlad looked like after the first Brewster fight, He looked like he was part of gang bang he could even stand up straight from being so tired, and his face was all blue from giving the first 500 to the arena a blow job.

[RUSKULL]

:lol: So Im quessin you assume ALI never dominated a dam good fighter his whole carreer ! :yep

Exactly. Double standards for the fighter's that they like...................

[Stezzie]

:lol: So Im quessin you assume ALI never dominated a dam good fighter his whole carreer ! :yep

Ali outboxed his opponents...Tyson dominated his opponents early on in his career...there is a big difference...

[RUSKULL]

Ali outboxed his opponents...Tyson dominated his opponents early on in his career...there is a big difference...

Ali abused the clinch more than Wlad did by far. He actually held his opponents around the neck & held & hit with his free hand. Watch a few of his fights..............

[Stezzie]

Exactly. Double standards for the fighter's that they like...................

Look at my post...where is the double standard? I said Wlad outboxed Peter he didnt dominate him.

Ali outboxed most of his opponents...he didn't dominate them. You have to be an idiot to not understand that concept...

[Cachibatches]

Peter has improved - most notably in his use of a jab, which was the primary flaw in his game in the Klitschko fight.

IF he sticks to this, and uses the jab to set up his power punches, he has a darn good chance of knocking out Wlad is a rematch.
He'll just get outjabbed.

What he wants to do is keep his weight down, get on the inside and throw more punches.

[RUSKULL]

Look at my post...where is the double standard? I said Wlad outboxed Peter he didnt dominate him.

Ali outboxed most of his opponents...he didn't dominate them. You have to be an idiot to not understand that concept...

For the better part of the fight Wlad dominated Peter and made him look like an amateur.

[Stezzie]

Ali abused the clinch more than Wlad did by far. He actually held his opponents around the neck & held & hit with his free hand. Watch a few of his fights..............

I've seen just about all of his fights and yes he did clinch alot later in his career...I'm not fooled by that...it doesnt matter who is clinch Ali, Ruiz or Wlad, when it is excessive it is excessive...

[RUSKULL]

He'll just get outjabbed.

What he wants to do is keep his weight down, get on the inside and throw more punches.

Good point, you don't try to jab against a great jabber when your jab is mediocre at best. Peter's jab was somewhat effective vs. Toney because Toney stood flat footed in front of Peter trying to make Peter miss so he could counter. It didn't work because Toney is slow now & has no power to push Peter back.

[RUSKULL]

I've seen just about all of his fights and yes he did clinch alot later in his career...I'm not fooled by that...it doesnt matter who is clinch Ali, Ruiz or Wlad, when it is excessive it is excessive...

Well it would be bias to claim that the ref should not have allowed Wlad to clinch but he should've allowed Peter to rabbit punch right?

Clinching is not illegal, rabbit punching is. There's a reason. It's because punching to the back of the head puts the fighter's health at risk where excessive clinching doesn't.

[Stezzie]

Good point, you don't try to jab against a great jabber when your jab is mediocre at best. Peter's jab was somewhat effective vs. Toney because Toney stood flat footed in front of Peter trying to make Peter miss so he could counter. It didn't work because Toney is slow now & has no power to push Peter back.

It's not about who has the best Jab when there is such a big difference reach...He has get in range to even have the opportunity to throw his jab.

[RUSKULL]

That was not really meant as a stab at Ali either, he had some of the best footwork & handspeed not to mention his ability to absorb punishment. But he was a bit of a cheater..................especially later in his career.

[RUSKULL]

It's not about who has the best Jab when there is such a big difference reach...He has get in range to even have the opportunity to throw his jab.

Well Peter will need a lot of luck to get past Wlad's jab with that pea-shooter of of jab he's sportin'. :yep

[Stezzie]

Well it would be bias to claim that the ref should not have allowed Wlad to clinch but he should've allowed Peter to rabbit punch right?

Clinching is not illegal, rabbit punching is. There's a reason. It's because punching to the back of the head puts the fighter's health at risk where excessive clinching doesn't.

So you can't lose a point for excessive holding? Have you ever seen that happen?

[Stezzie]

Well Peter will need a lot of luck to get past Wlad's jab with that pea-shooter of of jab he's sportin'. :yep

He doesnt need luck...he got inside the first fight plent of times, the problems was the that once he gets inside he still tries to throw a hook. Wlad leans in to Peters left and the punch lands to the back of Wlads head. Wlad's movement is what cause the punch to go to the back of the head and nobody ever seems to want to acknowledge that.

It's like you want Peter to pull the punch mid-swing because Wlad starts to lean forward...

[Stezzie]

You guys are lucky I have to leave to go to Houston in abouut 20 minutes otherwise I would continue to get you acclimated with logic...

[box03]

He doesnt need luck...he got inside the first fight plent of times, the problems was the that once he gets inside he still tries to throw a hook. Wlad leans in to Peters left and the punch lands to the back of Wlads head. Wlad's movement is what cause the punch to go to the back of the head and nobody ever seems to want to acknowledge that.

It's like you want Peter to pull the punch mid-swing because Wlad starts to lean forward... Well said, the ref didnt warn Peter or take a point away because the rabbit punches were caused by Wlad putting his head down trying to clinch when he was hurt.

[2smart4u]

Ali outboxed his opponents...Tyson dominated his opponents early on in his career...there is a big difference...:lol: Bullshit ! ALI held and held alot ! And for the record VLAD kos way more opposition then ALI ! You guys are pathetic !:tired

[magnificentdave]

Peter had the living hell beat out of him by Wlad... It was sick to watch in the last rounds, I couldn't believe the punishment Sam was taking, I'm surprised he came back so succesfully after that fight.

[Stezzie]

Peter had the living hell beat out of him by Wlad... It was sick to watch in the last rounds, I couldn't believe the punishment Sam was taking, I'm surprised he came back so succesfully after that fight.

Yet Wlad lay on the canvas in the 10th...:yep

[swedeone]

Peter was given credit for 3 knockdowns, although 2 shouldn't have been counted since he clearly fouled, and he still lost by a huge margin.

Eat that asswipe! :smoke


Failure to recognize the facts makes you a very poor boxing fan...

1. All 3 knockdowns were 100% legit as Wlad continuously turned his head. That's his stupidity, not Peter's. "Protect yourself at all times". It's pretty clear and the #1 rule in boxing.

2. Wlad held Sam 96 times in the fight. Beyond excessive and any decent referee would have penalized him points for the flagrant holding.

3. Peter landed 5 or 6 semi decent punches the entire night. He couldn't land many more due to Wlad's excessive holding. 3 of those 5 put Wlad on the canvas.

4. Peter didn't land a single "Huge Bomb" power shot the entire fight. Period. If he had, Wlad wouldn't have survived as his chin is poor and everone knows it.

5. The decision was a 3 point decision. Far from a "huge margin".

6. Samuel Peter was in his infancy as a fighter and was not ready for a fight of that magnitude. His people made a poor decision that he wasn't ready for as a young up-and-comer. He clearly didn't embarass himself though.


If Wlad fans can't agree with these facts, they aren't being honest and are letting their biased opinions blind them from the truth.

[Stezzie]

Failure to recognize the facts makes you a very poor boxing fan...

1. All 3 knockdowns were 100% legit as Wlad continuously turned his head. That's his stupidity, not Peter's. "Protect yourself at all times". It's pretty clear and the #1 rule in boxing.

2. Wlad held Sam 96 times in the fight. Beyond excessive and any decent referee would have penalized him points for the flagrant holding.

3. Peter landed 5 or 6 semi decent punches the entire night. He couldn't land many more due to Wlad's excessive holding. 3 of those 5 put Wlad on the canvas.

4. Peter didn't land a single "Huge Bomb" power shot the entire fight. Period. If he had, Wlad wouldn't have survived as his chin is poor and everone knows it.

5. The decision was a 3 point decision. Far from a "huge margin".

6. Samuel Peter was in his infancy as a fighter and was not ready for a fight of that magnitude. His people made a poor decision that he wasn't ready for as a young up-and-comer. He clearly didn't embarass himself though.


If Wlad fans can't agree with these facts, they aren't being honest and are letting their biased opinions blind them from the truth.

Very well put...:good

[box03]

Failure to recognize the facts makes you a very poor boxing fan...

1. All 3 knockdowns were 100% legit as Wlad continuously turned his head. That's his stupidity, not Peter's. "Protect yourself at all times". It's pretty clear and the #1 rule in boxing.

2. Wlad held Sam 96 times in the fight. Beyond excessive and any decent referee would have penalized him points for the flagrant holding.

3. Peter landed 5 or 6 semi decent punches the entire night. He couldn't land many more due to Wlad's excessive holding. 3 of those 5 put Wlad on the canvas.

4. Peter didn't land a single "Huge Bomb" power shot the entire fight. Period. If he had, Wlad wouldn't have survived as his chin is poor and everone knows it.

5. The decision was a 3 point decision. Far from a "huge margin".

6. Samuel Peter was in his infancy as a fighter and was not ready for a fight of that magnitude. His people made a poor decision that he wasn't ready for as a young up-and-comer. He clearly didn't embarass himself though.


If Wlad fans can't agree with these facts, they aren't being honest and are letting their biased opinions blind them from the truth. Very nice post, it just seems like the truth always goes over the Wlad lovers heads.

[Decker]

Aside from our mutual admiration for the "Ghost" we seem to be at odds here. Of your first 5 points maybe #5 was solid.

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6. Samuel Peter was in his infancy as a fighter and was not ready for a fight of that magnitude. His people made a poor decision that he wasn't ready for as a young up-and-comer. He clearly didn't embarass himself though. Infancy? :shock: Goo goo ga ga... that was Peter's 25th fight. When will he be "seasoned"? After 50+ fights?! :tired


If Wlad fans can't agree with these facts, they aren't being honest and are letting their biased opinions blind them from the truth.Yeah, us Wlad fans we be biased :roll:

[Jinx]

Peter would starch Wlad in less than 6 in a rematch...IF Wlad even takes a rematch...

[El Bombasto]

you never boxed have you??

:patsch If the ref is crap and allows one guy to run and hold, there aint nothing you can do about it.

peter just aint used to that pussy style of fighting. had the rules been enforced, peter would have stopped him.

all of your arguments in support of peter are just criticisims of wlad. forget about klit, what has your boy done to warrant the crush you have on him?

[RUSKULL]

Well said, the ref didnt warn Peter or take a point away because the rabbit punches were caused by Wlad putting his head down trying to clinch when he was hurt.

So I guess we should just ignore the rabbit punches that Sam threw vs. Toney in both fights as well..............?

[RUSKULL]

Yet Wlad lay on the canvas in the 10th...:yep

He was back up & using Sam's head & a speed bag...............Peter coulda shoulda, woulda..............blah, blah, blah. :tired

[RUSKULL]

Failure to recognize the facts makes you a very poor boxing fan... Is that right?!

1. All 3 knockdowns were 100% legit as Wlad continuously turned his head. That's his stupidity, not Peter's. "Protect yourself at all times". It's pretty clear and the #1 rule in boxing. There were sometimes where Wlad turned his head but there were also times where Sam held his head and clearly aimed for the back of it with his punches.

2. Wlad held Sam 96 times in the fight. Beyond excessive and any decent referee would have penalized him points for the flagrant holding. I don't think the clinches were excessive, how would you defend against a crude fighter trying to bull his way in? WK may have clinched often but those clinches were quickly broken by the ref and if Peter was a more talented fighter he could've worked around them. Should the ref have taken points from Peter for blatant rabbit punching?

3. Peter landed 5 or 6 semi decent punches the entire night. He couldn't land many more due to Wlad's excessive holding. 3 of those 5 put Wlad on the canvas. Peter only landing that many punches because he's a slow, crude hype-job. 2 of those 5 were illegal and should've have counted, in fact the ref should've warned Pter the first time & deducted a point for the 2nd.

4. Peter didn't land a single "Huge Bomb" power shot the entire fight. Period. If he had, Wlad wouldn't have survived as his chin is poor and everone knows it. More evidence that Peter ain't what you believe he is.

5. The decision was a 3 point decision. Far from a "huge margin". WK won by 3 points even after Peter was awarded with the 2 bogus knockdowns..............:lol:

6. Samuel Peter was in his infancy as a fighter and was not ready for a fight of that magnitude. His people made a poor decision that he wasn't ready for as a young up-and-comer. He clearly didn't embarass himself though. It's not Wlad's fault that Peter's manager's let him get beat up.


If Wlad fans can't agree with these facts, they aren't being honest and are letting their biased opinions blind them from the truth.
If Peter fan's agree with your "facts" they aren't being honest or fair to themselves as boxing fans.


Here you go!

[Heavyrighthand]

I believe they are the best 2 heavies in the world, but Wlad is still in the lead by a long way.

No way is Peter a better heavy than CHagaev.

Chagaev and Wlad are EASILY the two best heavies, by far.

Peter, Valuev, Maskaev and Ibragimov, are all well below Wlad and Chagaev.

But McCline will take the steem out of Peter tonight, and then Peter will be a moot point. :good

[swedeone]

Here you go!



Thank you, again, for proving my bottom line point... to a tee.

:hi:

[swedeone]

No way is Peter a better heavy than CHagaev.

Chagaev and Wlad are EASILY the two best heavies, by far.

Peter, Valuev, Maskaev and Ibragimov, are all well below Wlad and Chagaev.

But McCline will take the steem out of Peter tonight, and then Peter will be a moot point. :good


:rofl :rofl :rofl

Go back to sleep now and do us all a favor.

[RUSKULL]

Thank you, again, for proving my bottom line point... to a tee.

:hi:

Thanks for admitting that you were wrong, it's makes you a better person...............

[Ilesey]

Peter has improved - most notably in his use of a jab, which was the primary flaw in his game in the Klitschko fight.

IF he sticks to this, and uses the jab to set up his power punches, he has a darn good chance of knocking out Wlad is a rematch.

I tend to agree.

[swedeone]

Thanks for admitting that you were wrong, it's makes you a better person...............


You are a completely biased Wlad nut licker. Any good boxing fan would agree with my points... and many already have. Just be happy your guy won. The next time they fight, your guy won't make it out of the ring with his belts. Trust me.

[RUSKULL]

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Go back to sleep now and do us all a favor.

I too rank Chagaev above Peter especially in terms of accomplishments in the ring. He beat Ruiz & Valuev which is far more than anything on Peter's weak resumé.

I'm amused at how Peter is ranked so highly based on his percieved future potential. :yep

[Heavyrighthand]

4. Peter didn't land a single "Huge Bomb" power shot the entire fight. Period. If he had, Wlad wouldn't have survived as his chin is poor and everone knows it.

:lol:

Rewatch the fight with a pencil and paper and come back and say that.

Truth is, Peter caught Wlad FLUSH at least 5 times in the fight. Round 5 is a good example.

Rewatch the fight and this time, don't be so biased and full of desire to discredit Klit. He survived SEVERAL of Peter's Huge Bombs, and went on to make Samuel's face look like a chocolote donut with cherry sauce on it.

[RUSKULL]

You are a completely biased Wlad nut licker. Any good boxing fan would agree with my points... and many already have. Just be happy your guy won. The next time they fight, your guy won't make it out of the ring with his belts. Trust me.

I guess we'll see if Peter gets past one of Wladimir's leftovers - Jameel McCline, which is certainly not a given.

Real bold of Peter too I might add, what is McCline ranked, 40th or so? :yep The sad truth is that McCline actually has a good chance of upsetting your apple cart.

[RUSKULL]

:lol:

Rewatch the fight with a pencil and paper and come back and say that.

Truth is, Peter caught Wlad FLUSH at least 5 times in the fight. Round 5 is a good example.

Rewatch the fight and this time, don't be so biased and full of desire to discredit Klit. He survived SEVERAL of Peter's Huge Bombs, and went on to make Samuel's face look like a chocolote donut with cherry sauce on it.

:rofl :lol:

[RUSKULL]

I just put $200 of my V-Cash on McCline for the upset. Why hasn't Swedeone put any V-cash on Peter? In fact not many Peter fans are biting.......................:lol:

[RUSKULL]

You are a completely biased Wlad nut licker. Any good boxing fan would agree with my points... and many already have. Just be happy your guy won. The next time they fight, your guy won't make it out of the ring with his belts. Trust me.

You are a nut-lickin', pole smokin', Peter fan who has no confidence in your own bullshit or you would drop some V-Cash on your saviour.

[2smart4u]

Your a retard:patsch Why do you guys come on a board an argue about topics you apparently know absolutly nothing about ?:think ALI held and ran my friend his whole carreer ! Somehow it makes him great in the eyes of the retards here but if the same tactics are used by another fighter it somehow draws critisism ! Unbeleiveable retardation !:yep

[El Bombasto]

:patsch Why do you guys come on a board an argue about topics you apparently know absolutly nothing about ?:think ALI held and ran my friend his whole carreer ! Somehow it makes him great in the eyes of the retards here but if the same tactics are used by another fighter it somehow draws critisism ! Unbeleiveable retardation !:yep

i don't think it's really about the clinching. it's just typical of sam peter fans to make excuses for his flaws, blame everyone else but peter every time he looks bad, and try to blow-up his pathetic achievements into huge victories. The bottom line on sam peter huggers [like box03 (after reading all her posts i'm beginning to think she's his wife) and swedeone] is this:
-they will never get over his fight with wlad or acknowledge the reality of what happened. typical sam peter hugger logic: the ref. was incompetent because he allowed klitschko to clinch (which is legal last time i checked), but it was okay for peter to rabbit punch and punch on the break in that fight (which is illegal last time i checked), peter's fan club is so deluded they are actually trying to blame the rabbit punches on klitschko, wtf?
-sam peter is not the big punching ko artist his fans claim him to be. he has one ko in his last 5 fights, his ko rate is 76% and declining, and his signature knockout was against a semi-retired b-class cruiserweight. these same people hate on klitschko (probably because he exposed fatboy) who has won 4 of his last 5 fights by ko against consensus top 10 competition (with the exception of austin), has a ko percentage of 85% and keeps getting better

in a word sam peter fans are delusional, end of story

[Geraldo R.]

Improved Peter = the judges are bought as well as the ref. This improved Peter beats Wlad outside of Germany if he doesn't get knocked out first.

[Decker]

i don't think it's really about the clinching. it's just typical of sam peter fans to make excuses for his flaws, blame everyone else but peter every time he looks bad, and try to blow-up his pathetic achievements into huge victories. The bottom line on sam peter huggers [like box03 (after reading all her posts i'm beginning to think she's his wife) and swedeone] is this:
-they will never get over his fight with wlad or acknowledge the reality of what happened. typical sam peter hugger logic: the ref. was incompetent because he allowed klitschko to clinch (which is legal last time i checked), but it was okay for peter to rabbit punch and punch on the break in that fight (which is illegal last time i checked), peter's fan club is so deluded they are actually trying to blame the rabbit punches on klitschko, wtf?
-sam peter is not the big punching ko artist his fans claim him to be. he has one ko in his last 5 fights, his ko rate is 76% and declining, and his signature knockout was against a semi-retired b-class cruiserweight. these same people hate on klitschko (probably because he exposed fatboy) who has won 4 of his last 5 fights by ko against consensus top 10 competition (with the exception of austin), has a ko percentage of 85% and keeps getting better

in a word sam peter fans are delusional, end of story:good Very good analysis, El B. As I've posted before, I was fairly high on Peter's potential until his 2 fights with fading lard ass JT. :tired The Peter nuthuggers make Toney out to be this great HW contender to excuse their heros performance - one a close decision.

Wow, ahh look at how JT rolls with those punches, see how JT lays on the ropes and counter punches... what else can he do, at that weight for his height and age? Actually move for most of 12 rounds? :lol: Then they put down the best opponent Sam ever fought :nut Hysterical "analysis" by the Peter sleepwalkers.

[RUSKULL]

i don't think it's really about the clinching. it's just typical of sam peter fans to make excuses for his flaws, blame everyone else but peter every time he looks bad, and try to blow-up his pathetic achievements into huge victories. The bottom line on sam peter huggers [like box03 (after reading all her posts i'm beginning to think she's his wife) and swedeone] is this:
-they will never get over his fight with wlad or acknowledge the reality of what happened. typical sam peter hugger logic: the ref. was incompetent because he allowed klitschko to clinch (which is legal last time i checked), but it was okay for peter to rabbit punch and punch on the break in that fight (which is illegal last time i checked), peter's fan club is so deluded they are actually trying to blame the rabbit punches on klitschko, wtf?
-sam peter is not the big punching ko artist his fans claim him to be. he has one ko in his last 5 fights, his ko rate is 76% and declining, and his signature knockout was against a semi-retired b-class cruiserweight. these same people hate on klitschko (probably because he exposed fatboy) who has won 4 of his last 5 fights by ko against consensus top 10 competition (with the exception of austin), has a ko percentage of 85% and keeps getting better

in a word sam peter fans are delusional, end of story

Nice! I second that opinion to a tee! :deal :thumbsup

[swedeone]

I just put $200 of my V-Cash on McCline for the upset. Why hasn't Swedeone put any V-cash on Peter? In fact not many Peter fans are biting.......................:lol:


Just unloaded ALL of my V-cash on Peter. :good

Next brilliant statement? :lol:

[swedeone]

Man... I can't wait to see the excuses fly after Peter actually chin checks Wlad and puts him face down on the canvas. :lol:

The fraud chin Wlad is WILL be exposed soon. (Provided of course that he actually fights something resembling a decent HW anytime soon, which is certainly NO guarantee). :yep

:hi:

[CHEF]

Guess u cant read the punch stat numbers? we can tell who was throwing punches and who was catchin punches, so i suggest you watch it again. or do you only watch 2 round of the fight and skip the other 10?

Exactly:good :good :good :good :good

[CHEF]

Ali outboxed his opponents...Tyson dominated his opponents early on in his career...there is a big difference...

So you are saying Wlad has not dominated. SHIT.....Just look at his last 5. Peter, Byrd, Brock, Austin, and Brewster?

What fights are u watching?

[Decker]

So you are saying Wlad has not dominated. SHIT.....Just look at his last 5. Peter, Byrd, Brock, Austin, and Brewster?

What fights are u watching?They are watching imaginary fights in their own little worlds. Tyson was a superb fighter in the late 80s, but he faught more than his share of bums. As did Ali. Wlad stops 4 top ranked contenders - brutally avenging :!: one of his losses - and UD's the next HW "savior" and the haters say what has he done? :nut While conveniently ignoring what Peter has actually done :-(

[Decker]

Man... I can't wait to see the excuses fly after Peter actually chin checks Wlad and puts him face down on the canvas. :lol: Which gives you a bigger woody, Pavliks KO of JT or imagining Peter KOing Wlad?

The fraud chin Wlad is WILL be exposed soon. (Provided of course that he actually fights something resembling a decent HW anytime soon, which is certainly NO guarantee). :yep

:hi: Since you constantly state as fact that Wlad has a weak chin, how can an established fact be exposed? :nut You must have skipped the Logic 101 lectures or even English 101 :lol: Don't worry you're in the majority here.

More of your "logic"... so Wlad fights and comfortably beats his last 5 opponents - all legit ranked HWs, and one of them your hero - but he has not faught a decent HW? To say you're inconsistent or biased is an under statement :patsch

[24barrels]

Like others pointed out an argument can be made that Peter didnt improve (much) but Toney declined which seems to be more likely since professional athletes usually dont improve drastically within a few month.

[El Bombasto]

Man... I can't wait to see the excuses fly after Peter actually chin checks Wlad and puts him face down on the canvas. :lol:

The fraud chin Wlad is WILL be exposed soon. (Provided of course that he actually fights something resembling a decent HW anytime soon, which is certainly NO guarantee). :yep

:hi:

you know the good thing about all these ridiculous posts you have been making is that once your boyfriend is beaten decisively (again) you'll disappear like all the other douches that were at one time in love with talentless hype jobs (can you say pantera2000?)

[El Bombasto]

Like others pointed out an argument can be made that Peter didnt improve (much) but Toney declined which seems to be more likely since professional athletes usually dont improve drastically within a few month.

exactly, what has toney done since then?

[box03]

i don't think it's really about the clinching. it's just typical of sam peter fans to make excuses for his flaws, blame everyone else but peter every time he looks bad, and try to blow-up his pathetic achievements into huge victories. The bottom line on sam peter huggers [like box03 (after reading all her posts i'm beginning to think she's his wife) and swedeone] is this:
-they will never get over his fight with wlad or acknowledge the reality of what happened. typical sam peter hugger logic: the ref. was incompetent because he allowed klitschko to clinch (which is legal last time i checked), but it was okay for peter to rabbit punch and punch on the break in that fight (which is illegal last time i checked), peter's fan club is so deluded they are actually trying to blame the rabbit punches on klitschko, wtf?
-sam peter is not the big punching ko artist his fans claim him to be. he has one ko in his last 5 fights, his ko rate is 76% and declining, and his signature knockout was against a semi-retired b-class cruiserweight. these same people hate on klitschko (probably because he exposed fatboy) who has won 4 of his last 5 fights by ko against consensus top 10 competition (with the exception of austin), has a ko percentage of 85% and keeps getting better

in a word sam peter fans are delusional, end of story Im whos wife, it doesnt matter at least my favorite fighter is not a fag like yours. Watch the fight again, Wlad put his head down to try to avoid Peters punches, he put himself in that postion and he payed for it. All you Wlad fans think everythings a conspiracy, Brewster poisoned Wlad the first time, Peter hit Wlad with illegal punches thats why he fell. Just admit your Wlad "the fag" lost fair and square to Brewster because he gassed out it happend to Foreman against Ali, it happends sometimes. Sam Peters Punches were fair and if they werent the ref would of warned him and not counted the knockdowns, its that simple.

[ralphc]

Want to start out saying, i love sam peter, i think he is a good fighter, and I think he is the second best heavyweight in the world. I do not believe tho, he has improved as much as most on here, and professional writers are saying. Lets look at his 3 big fights.

Wladimir Klitschko- Sam fought a good fight, but was totally dominated with the entire fight with an exception of a few illegal knockdowns and one legit one. (however, doesnt matter if yer dominated, if u get the knockout who cares). Point is he was beaten badly.

Toney I- Most though again that Sam outboxed, i had the fight even, but cases could be made either way. I felt that a dominant HWT should have been able to handily defeat this version of james toney.

Toney II- I had this one 8 round to 4 for Sam. Yes he did look much in this fight then he did in the first fight, but toney was so much worse in this fight i find giving all the credit to sam. I mean i know sam cannot train for james toney, but everyone is saying how greatly he has improved because of this fight. I don't want to take anything away from sam, he won the fight in a big way, but most of it was due to toney lack of showing up.

My conclusion, yes Sam Peter has slightly improved since he was defeated by wladimir klitschko, but no where near as much as he needs to be if he is going to have a chance to beat wlad. I believe they are the best 2 heavies in the world, but Wlad is still in the lead by a long way.




Like Rocky Marciano, Sam Peter lacks the coordination to every become a good boxer. Unlike Rocky Marciano he lacks the motivation to get in shape. If you want to know what boxing shape looks like watch Marciano's first fight against Ezzard Charles. He was swinging like a neanderthal all 15 rounds. Peter only swings like a neanderthal for about 5 rounds at the most.

[El Bombasto]

Im whos wife, it doesnt matter at least my favorite fighter is not a fag like yours. Watch the fight again, Wlad put his head down to try to avoid Peters punches, he put himself in that postion and he payed for it. All you Wlad fans think everythings a conspiracy, Brewster poisoned Wlad the first time, Peter hit Wlad with illegal punches thats why he fell. Just admit your Wlad "the fag" lost fair and square to Brewster because he gassed out it happend to Foreman against Ali, it happends sometimes. Sam Peters Punches were fair and if they werent the ref would of warned him and not counted the knockdowns, its that simple.

you think casamayor is a fag?

of course wlad lost to brewster fair and square, just as he also lost to purrity and sander fair and square

[box03]

you think casamayor is a fag?

of course wlad lost to brewster fair and square, just as he also lost to purrity and sander fair and square Then you have more sense than your friends that come on here and try to denounce Brewsters victory, I still believe 2 of the 3 knockdowns in the Peter/Wlad fight should of counted.

[El Bombasto]

Then you have more sense than your friends that come on here and try to denounce Brewsters victory, I still believe 2 of the 3 knockdowns in the Peter/Wlad fight should of counted.

all three counted, it's at the ref's discretion how he wants to handle rabbit punching. peter cheated and the ref allowed him to get away with it, and he still lost, badly

[BoxingGuru]

the punch stat numbers:lol:
watch the clinch stat numbers !!! Seperates the men from the fags!

Btw: are you a girl???

Scam Cheater lost. Period. Furthermore he cheated and got dominated in the process. Try to change history, but you can't.

[box03]

all three counted, it's at the ref's discretion how he wants to handle rabbit punching. peter cheated and the ref allowed him to get away with it, and he still lost, badly He lost by 3 points thats hardly losing badly, the ref also missed Wlad leaning and clinching Peter to death as well, as I said before you can see it both ways. It still doesnt take away from the fact Peter put Wlad on his ass and Wlad wasnt able to when he had him hurt, but in the end Wlad won a tough fight and I guess thats all that matters.

[BoxingGuru]

He lost by 3 points thats hardly losing badly, the ref also missed Wlad leaning and clinching Peter to death as well, as I said before you can see it both ways. It still doesnt take away from the fact Peter put Wlad on his ass and Wlad wasnt able to when he had him hurt, but in the end Wlad won a tough fight and I guess thats all that matters.

3 points is losing badly when you scored a knockdown. Real bad. That is a complete schooling.

[El Bombasto]

He lost by 3 points thats hardly losing badly, the ref also missed Wlad leaning and clinching Peter to death as well, as I said before you can see it both ways. It still doesnt take away from the fact Peter put Wlad on his ass and Wlad wasnt able to when he had him hurt, but in the end Wlad won a tough fight and I guess thats all that matters.

there are a lot of fighters that put wlad on his ass, and 3 of them were able to finish the job

[box03]

there are a lot of fighters that put wlad on his ass, and 3 of them were able to finish the job I agree Wlad has improved his clinching ability to better cope when hes hurt, I still think if Peter would of caught Wlad with cleaner punches and he didnt smother his punches when he had him hurt, I feel he would of finished him.

[El Bombasto]

I agree Wlad has improved his clinching ability to better cope when hes hurt, I still think if Peter would of caught Wlad with cleaner punches and he didnt smother his punches when he had him hurt, I feel he would of finished him.

i think there was one time when wlad looked pretty hurt, but the round ended, that's boxing though.

[box03]

i think there was one time when wlad looked pretty hurt, but the round ended, that's boxing though. Theres was 2 times I thought Wlad was hurt, but the one your reffering to was the worst time Wlad was hurt during the fight. I think Peter made some mistakes that I hope he could improve on or change, and I do believe Wlad will lose by knockout of course.

[swedeone]

Samuel Peter will be the man to stop Wlad Klitschko and will claim his belts in doing so. I can't wait for this to go down in early 2008. Then Wlad can join his brother in retirement.

:hi:

[box03]

Samuel Peter will be the man to stop Wlad Klitschko and will claim his belts in doing so. I can't wait for this to go down in early 2008. Then Wlad can join his brother in retirement.

:hi: I agree, one could only hope this match will be made in 08.

[dragosuhail]

i can't wait for the rematch.

wlad by late KO

:D

always like to see the deluded ones get a regular reality check. makes them all embarrased and humiliated. normally i'd never enjoy seeing that, but when they sing from the mountain top and wail and whine like an old hag it's delicious :yep

happened recently with pavlik/taylor, rahman/maskaev, briggs/ibragimov...

ahhh it will be sweet. and of course so will reading about how crap sam peters was really all along :rofl

there's be some creative revisionist history goin' down that's for sure!

[OklahomaHoss]

peter getting dominated by sugarwladdy??

last time i looked, peter had him running and holding on like a cheap cowgirl hooker to a bottle of moonshine!

Take off your pink "i love klittycat" glasses and watch that fight again girl:nono

Im new here so maybe it's not my place just yet to jump into the discussion, but....are you kidding me?

Why is it a big deal to you that Wlad did the smart thing and nullified that left hook of Peter's by clinching him?

Even during the fight, George Foreman himself said, and I quote, "when you've got a man that can punch like Peter can, you do you whatever you have to do to take that away from him, which is exactly what Wladimir is doing"

You trying to tell us you know more about boxing and what's smart and what isnt than George Foreman? I suggest you think about your answer.

The fact of the matter is, my trolling little friend, Peter had to resort to amateurish, crybaby tactics like rabbit punching and wrestling.

The commentators, all of them, also commented about how at least two of the kd's that the ref called on Wlad should not have been, as they were resultant of being pushed or wrestled and not being punhed.

But you know more than they do, don't you?

[OklahomaHoss]

Very true, Peter is alot better now than he was 2 years ago when he fought Wlad. Peters goal in the rematch should be to try and take the fight to Wlad, Wlads Panics when hes hit hard and pressured. Peter will not win the boxing match so he shouldnt try to outbox Wlad, instead he should jab and time the right hand so it hits Wlad square on his china chin.


Peter's already hit Wlad with his best shot, the left hook, at the end of the fifth round. Hit him square on the jaw, and Wlad did not go down. And if Peter's money shot wont put him down what makes you think hitting him with the other hand will have any more of an effect.
Have you seen the fight?

[CHEF]

Im new here so maybe it's not my place just yet to jump into the discussion, but....are you kidding me?

Why is it a big deal to you that Wlad did the smart thing and nullified that left hook of Peter's by clinching him?

Even during the fight, George Foreman himself said, and I quote, "when you've got a man that can punch like Peter can, you do you whatever you have to do to take that away from him, which is exactly what Wladimir is doing"

You trying to tell us you know more about boxing and what's smart and what isnt than George Foreman? I suggest you think about your answer.

The fact of the matter is, my trolling little friend, Peter had to resort to amateurish, crybaby tactics like rabbit punching and wrestling.

The commentators, all of them, also commented about how at least two of the kd's that the ref called on Wlad should not have been, as they were resultant of being pushed or wrestled and not being punhed.

But you know more than they do, don't you?

You may be new......but you know what you are talking about.
GREAT POST:good

[OklahomaHoss]

You may be new......but you know what you are talking about.
GREAT POST:good

thanks man.

[box03]

Peter's already hit Wlad with his best shot, the left hook, at the end of the fifth round. Hit him square on the jaw, and Wlad did not go down. And if Peter's money shot wont put him down what makes you think hitting him with the other hand will have any more of an effect.
Have you seen the fight? I have seen the fight at least 10 times which is probably more than you, Wlad reacts badly when pressured why do you think hes been doing so well lately, no one has or wasnt able to put pressure on him. Peter has done the best against Wlad in the last 2 years, Peter was able to hurt Wlad because he pressured him, Peter made mistakes as most 25 yearold guys do in the ring when faced against top opposition like Wlad. We will see how well Wlad has matured if they fight again.

[swedeone]

Peter's already hit Wlad with his best shot, the left hook, at the end of the fifth round. Hit him square on the jaw, and Wlad did not go down. And if Peter's money shot wont put him down what makes you think hitting him with the other hand will have any more of an effect.
Have you seen the fight?


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hysterical

Peter did NOT hit Wlad with anything resembling his best shot. If he had, Wlad would still be down today. Period, end of story.

:hi:

[swedeone]

I have seen the fight at least 10 times which is probably more than you, Wlad reacts badly when pressured why do you think hes been doing so well lately, no one has or wasnt able to put pressure on him. Peter has done the best against Wlad in the last 2 years, Peter was able to hurt Wlad because he pressured him, Peter made mistakes as most 25 yearold guys do in the ring when faced against top opposition like Wlad. We will see how well Wlad has matured if they fight again.


Spot on mate. :good

I just watched all 3 knockdowns and the with the first two, Wlad could have actually been accused of taking dives. He was being pressured and wanted none of it. The first, he was knocked off balance and turned his head and got hit on the back of the head on his way down. Ohh fuccin well. Don't turn your head from your opponent. The second KD he actually was trying to take a knee as Sam was coming at him and he, again, turned his head down and got hit. With the third KD, Wlad was VERY LUCKY. He was running backwards just as Sam hit him with a glancing shot that knocked him down into the ropes. If he hadn't had been running away backwards, he would have been hit flush and probably wouldn't have gotten back up again.

[OklahomaHoss]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hysterical

Peter did NOT hit Wlad with anything resembling his best shot. If he had, Wlad would still be down today. Period, end of story.

:hi:

So what you're saying is, you haven't seen the fight? Cause if you had, you'd know what Im talking about. Either that or you're simply deluding yourself, awash in a sea of denial. Typical of haters.

[OklahomaHoss]

I have seen the fight at least 10 times which is probably more than you, Wlad reacts badly when pressured why do you think hes been doing so well lately, no one has or wasnt able to put pressure on him. Peter has done the best against Wlad in the last 2 years, Peter was able to hurt Wlad because he pressured him, Peter made mistakes as most 25 yearold guys do in the ring when faced against top opposition like Wlad. We will see how well Wlad has matured if they fight again.

So you admit then, that you saw the punch Im referring to. If so, then you must also admit that Wlad, as much as it pains you to admit it, did not go down from that punch. If he had a glass chin, he'd have gone down. But he didn't. If he panicked when hit, he'd have gone down. But he didn't.

[OklahomaHoss]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hysterical

Peter did NOT hit Wlad with anything resembling his best shot. If he had, Wlad would still be down today. Period, end of story.

:hi:


So what would you call that flush left hook that he hit Wlad with in the last minute of the round? It was the very same shot that put down Jeremy Williams and Taurus Sykes. So why didn't it put Wlad down?

[box03]

Spot on mate. :good

I just watched all 3 knockdowns and the with the first two, Wlad could have actually been accused of taking dives. He was being pressured and wanted none of it. The first, he was knocked off balance and turned his head and got hit on the back of the head on his way down. Ohh fuccin well. Don't turn your head from your opponent. The second KD he actually was trying to take a knee as Sam was coming at him and he, again, turned his head down and got hit. With the third KD, Wlad was VERY LUCKY. He was running backwards just as Sam hit him with a glancing shot that knocked him down into the ropes. If he hadn't had been running away backwards, he would have been hit flush and probably wouldn't have gotten back up again. very true, I cant have sympathy for someone runs and turns his back during a fight. I just wonder how many of these posters actually laced up a pair of gloves and was ever in the ring, when your fighting and have a guy hurt you dont let up until the ref jumps in to stop it. Boxing is tough sport, and if your dumb enough to turn your back to another oppenent you deserve what you get.

[box03]

So you admit then, that you saw the punch Im referring to. If so, then you must also admit that Wlad, as much as it pains you to admit it, did not go down from that punch. If he had a glass chin, he'd have gone down. But he didn't. If he panicked when hit, he'd have gone down. But he didn't. Yes he did hurt Wlad with a punch, but it really was a glancing blow with little behind it as you already seen. A hard punch from Peter would really make Wlad panic and you know that, Brewster hit him with a light punch as well that wasnt flush but it still hurt Wlad, it doesnt take much to hurt Wlad just a little bit of pressure.

[swedeone]

So what would you call that flush left hook that he hit Wlad with in the last minute of the round? It was the very same shot that put down Jeremy Williams and Taurus Sykes. So why didn't it put Wlad down?

"Same shot".

ohhhhhhhh my GOD! Help us please.

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl :rofl:rofl

Wlad was hit with a short left hook that he blockd part of the impact with his arm with. Are you even fuccin semi serious dude?

Believe me, if Wlad had ever gotten hit with the shot Jeremy Williams was hit with, his career would be O-V-E-R.

:lol:

[OklahomaHoss]

"Same shot".

ohhhhhhhh my GOD! Help us please.

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl :rofl:rofl

Wlad was hit with a short left hook that he blockd part of the impact with his arm with. Are you even fuccin semi serious dude?

Believe me, if Wlad had ever gotten hit with the shot Jeremy Williams was hit with, his career would be O-V-E-R.

:lol:



Im liking this site more and more. I love a good debate.

[Geraldo R.]

Sorry, Hoss, but you won't find good debate among people who have no grasp of logic. Usually people don't even know when they've lost an argument here, and when they realize they have, they immediately take what you've said out of context, quote it in huge letters, add a dozen smilies, and question your sexual preference. Nope, very few good debates take place here.