Miguel Cotto VS Kermit Cintron

[Andre]

Who takes it and why?

[brooklyn1550]

I was thinking about this matchup today when reading the new Ring Magazine. I think it's a close fight. If Cintron can catch Cotto early with a right hand and hurt him bad, he can finish him off. If Cotto can survive an early storm, establish his body punching, and wear Cintron down gradually, he can win by mid to late round TKO.

Either way, I think that it's a fight that would end with a KO or a TKO. I would bet the under.

[Ring Master]

I feel Cotto's chin can not handle Cintron's power.

[Zakman]

I feel Cotto's chin can not handle Cintron's power.

That's my feeling too. Of course, it could also be that Cintron won't be able to handle Cotto's power - but it seems to me that Cotto has been hurt more frequently in fights, and even though Cintron's the one who has been stopped, he may take the better punch.

Of course, this could be COMPLETELY off the mark - which is why this is very much a "pick 'em" fight. Basically, I think neither guy takes the greatest shot, but Cintron hits a bit harder.

Despite the uncertainties, one thing I would say for SURE is that whoever gets the first good shot in on the other guy's questionable whiskers is likely to be the one who emerges victorious.

[Rickypr18]

I feel Cotto's chin can not handle Cintron's power.
Cotto is my fav fighter but Cintron is one devastating puncher. So I voted Cintron by KO.

[Andre]

I was thinking about this matchup today when reading the new Ring Magazine. I think it's a close fight. If Cintron can catch Cotto early with a right hand and hurt him bad, he can finish him off. If Cotto can survive an early storm, establish his body punching, and wear Cintron down gradually, he can win by mid to late round TKO.

Either way, I think that it's a fight that would end with a KO or a TKO. I would bet the under.


This is exactly how i feel about this fight, but personally if i had to pick one to take this fight it's Cintron only because of the punching power and the fact Cotto's been hurt before by lesser punchers. But whether Cintron can handle Cotto's constant pressure, i dunno.

[Caliboxing]

I will go with Cotto in this one because he has faced better competition than Cintron and has shown his heart. If Cintron doesn't knock Cotto out early, and I don't think he will, Cotto will break him down with his relentless body assault.

[Ring Master]

That's my feeling too. Of course, it could also be that Cintron won't be able to handle Cotto's power - but it seems to me that Cotto has been hurt more frequently in fights, and even though Cintron's the one who has been stopped, he may take the better punch.

Of course, this could be COMPLETELY off the mark - which is why this is very much a "pick 'em" fight. Basically, I think neither guy takes the greatest shot, but Cintron hits a bit harder.

Despite the uncertainties, one thing I would say for SURE is that whoever gets the first good shot in on the other guy's questionable whiskers is likely to be the one who emerges victorious.

Man Cintron is 5'11 and Cotto is 5'6 i gotta go with Cintron. Plus Cotto is a sucker for a right hand. Cintron also has a 5 inch reach advantage.

Cintron by Kayo.

[madhive]

Cintron Ko's Cotto with a right uppercut. Cotto leaves himself open to much.

[Relentless]

cotto would make kermee cry like margarito made him cry.

[EspadaYdaga]

Well this makes a mockery of all the people that foolishly have Cotto in their p4p list. Many of you are picking Cintron. Cotto for me.

[Relentless]

You guys are making too much out of Cintron's win over the highly average Walter Matthysse. He still hasn't really shown anything that would make me believe that he could take Cotto. Miguel makes this guy cry like a bitch worse than Margarito did.

Cotto by KO in 8.

exactly, and anyway paul williams got to matthysse before kermee.

[BTPimp]

You guys are making too much out of Cintron's win over the highly average Walter Matthysse. He still hasn't really shown anything that would make me believe that he could take Cotto. Miguel makes this guy cry like a bitch worse than Margarito did.

Cotto by KO in 8.

Nuff said

[Antwuan Maxx]

I'll just say this. If Cotto was fighting Cintron instead of Shane in November, I'd be a lot more concerned than I am now.

[Relentless]

Cotto gets hit in every fight but if he takes one or two flush shots from Cintron, he would get knocked out in a akward position and break his knees.

Cintron by a brutal knockout, brutal...

who has cintron ko'd?

first time he stepped up in competition he cried.

[BTPimp]

I'll just say this. If Cotto was fighting Cintron instead of Shane in November, I'd be a lot more concerned than I am now.

Based on what. Him crying in the ring after seeing his own blood? Power is the most overrated thing in boxing. It looks great when you're beating on bums and captures the imagination. But we've already seen what can happen when someone stepped up to Cintron , wasn't afraid and cracked him hard. He didn't like a taste of his own medicine. Sure a fight between Cintron and Cotto would probably be violent but I'd be much more worried about a guy who has shown he can take a punch, has great stamina and can outbox you all day long. Mosley has only been stiffled by big opponents who pressure behind excellent jabs. Miguel not being bigger or possessing such a jab has none of the trademark tools needed to stiffle Mosley. This is going to be a tough night for him. If Miguel pulls it out, it would look much more impressive to me than knocking out Cintron.

[Relentless]

He knocked out Teddy Reid when he was still considered dangerous for most prospects, Mark Suarez, Estrada, and Matheyse, who's never been knocked out in his life...

SO who did Cotto ever knock out besides lightweight Victoriano sosa and Zab Judah who was coming off a loss and a long layoff? ( that 20 second tuneup zab had against some bum doesn't count)BTW..

Kermit the Killer is reborn.. :deal You'll see.

zab judah is better than any of the bums cintron fought, infact zab is better than cintron himself.

atleast cotto doesn't cry when he see's blood.

[tays001]

Man I Got To Go With Cintron

[Antwuan Maxx]

Based on what. Him crying in the ring after seeing his own blood? Power is the most overrated thing in boxing. It looks great when you're beating on bums and captures the imagination. But we've already seen what can happen when someone stepped up to Cintron , wasn't afraid and cracked him hard. He didn't like a taste of his own medicine. Sure a fight between Cintron and Cotto would probably be violent but I'd be much more worried about a guy who has shown he can take a punch, has great stamina and can outbox you all day long. Mosley has only been stiffled by big opponents who pressure behind excellent jabs. Miguel not being bigger or possessing such a jab has none of the trademark tools needed to stiffle Mosley. This is going to be a tough night for him. If Miguel pulls it out, it would look much more impressive to me than knocking out Cintron.

You forget this is not a prime Shane Mosley we're talking about. Great stamina, yet he was breathing very heavily after 9 or 10 nondescript rounds against Luis Collazo. Can outbox you all day long, yet lost rounds to a third rate fighter like Jose Luis Cruz, who may possibly have the slowest hands in the division, and hit regularly by David Estrada. It's not a coincidence that Shane's best performances in recent years came against a weight drained shot Fernando Vargas, and an injured Luis Collazo. Take away Shane's speed and you have a very ordinary fighter. Which will be the case after 5 or 6 rounds of hooks and crosses to the midsection. Because as we all know, Shane doesn't like it to the body. Couple that with his age, and it's pretty much written in the stars.

Cintron-Cotto would be a war from round one. Contrary to popular opinion, Cintron doesn't have a bad chin. I've seen him take bombs from Teddy Reid, David Estrada, and Mark Suarez, never being out on his feet or close to going down. He may have been stunned a time or two in those fights but I've never seen him in any serious trouble in a fight. Even against Margarito he was never truly hurt. What happened is he folded under pressure and cried like a bitch. So I guess that will be the big question in this fight, or any other big fight for Cintron; can he hold it together mentally? If he can, I see him doing a lot of damage at 147. Would have loved to see Cintron-Mosley come off earlier this year.

[Relentless]

Bro, you're really stretching it by keep bringing up something that happened over 2 years ago. Every fighter has a bad night man, you of all posters should know that.

Cintron was coming off of a 9 month layoff from a broken hand when he faced Margarito so the guy wasnt ready, mentally and physically.

Lingerie model Chop Chop almost knocked out Cotto so what does that say about him? You think Cintron would get clocked like that by a lingerie model? don't think so... and what about Torres? look what torres did to him...

but didn't cotto win those fights? when cintron went down, he cried.

[Relentless]

It's because Kermit is an emotional person, the man has passion, unlike Cotto who's stiff as a wood, no personality whatsoever.



since when did boxing become a personality contest?

this is what everyone loves about cotto, a relentless machine with no feeling, he doesn't change his face even when he is hurt.

[jlrivera81]

I like Kermit, but since when does crying like a bitch in the ring count for anything

[Relentless]

WEll Boxing isn't a personality contest but it sure would help his super star status if he had any. He would be much bigger than he is right now. Talent alone doesn't make somebody a cross over star like Delahoya, one needs charisma to be that one.

Cotto needs to take some charisma classes.

no he doesn't, he does what he has to do, he goes in there and fights, he doesn't get paid for talking.

[PR Boxing Lore]

Bro, you're really stretching it by keep bringing up something that happened over 2 years ago. Every fighter has a bad night man, you of all posters should know that.

Cintron was coming off of a 9 month layoff from a broken hand when he faced Margarito so the guy wasnt ready, mentally and physically.

Lingerie model Chop Chop almost knocked out Cotto so what does that say about him? You think Cintron would get clocked like that by a lingerie model? don't think so... and what about Torres? look what torres did to him...
Floyd was also hurt by that lingerie model, that doesn't mean anything this is 147 not 140. Cotto was struggling to make the weight but I'm not getting in to that, Torres has the power to hurt anyone and Cotto took some heavy bombs so I will say this being 147 he may be able to handle Kermit's power better than people gave him credit for.

[Brooklyn Boxer]

I like Kermit and Cotto but I think it is a bad match up for Cotto. Cotto style is perfect for Cintron. Cintron has the one punch KO power and Cotto is going to come at him all night. Since Cintron started working with Steward he became more of a counter puncher and I think he'll KO Cotto.

[IcanzIIravor]

I like Cotto to weather the storm early then his body work will wear down Kermit. Cotto by KO in the middle rounds. I'd bet on an exchange of knock downs.

[BlueApollo]

Cotto has proven his worth to me he is a complete fighter at 147, Cintron im not sold on just yet how soon we forget the way he folded up like a beach chair at the hands of margarito.

:good

I'll second this. I need to see Cintron overcome more adversity in the ring than Walter Mathysse can offer up. If Cintron convincingly takes care of Margarito in a rematch, I'll give a matchup with Cotto more serious thought.

[the_what]

I'll just say this. If Cotto was fighting Cintron instead of Shane in November, I'd be a lot more concerned than I am now.

I feel the same way. Cintron is a bad style matchup for Cotto.

[41fever]

I can't see anyone at 147 that can take COTTO'S body attack

COTTO by KO

[Orishaman]

This is a silly match....I hope that these two Boricuas never fight....

[jopez707]

I am fan a of Cintron's and think he is too big for Cotto. Cotto is small (height wise) for a welterweight. I feel the real big welters like Cintron, Margarito and Williams would give Cotto a lot of problems, he best avoid them.

[Alo2006]

50/50 fight, it can go either way to be honest. If Cintron uses his advantages, he wins by KO

[El Bombasto]

cotto gets hit too much and cintron has too much power

[Fab2333]

That's my feeling too. Of course, it could also be that Cintron won't be able to handle Cotto's power - but it seems to me that Cotto has been hurt more frequently in fights, and even though Cintron's the one who has been stopped, he may take the better punch.

Of course, this could be COMPLETELY off the mark - which is why this is very much a "pick 'em" fight. Basically, I think neither guy takes the greatest shot, but Cintron hits a bit harder.

Despite the uncertainties, one thing I would say for SURE is that whoever gets the first good shot in on the other guy's questionable whiskers is likely to be the one who emerges victorious.:deal

[MSTR]

I was thinking about this matchup today when reading the new Ring Magazine. I think it's a close fight. If Cintron can catch Cotto early with a right hand and hurt him bad, he can finish him off. If Cotto can survive an early storm, establish his body punching, and wear Cintron down gradually, he can win by mid to late round TKO.

Either way, I think that it's a fight that would end with a KO or a TKO. I would bet the under.

Good post mate. THe only way I see Cintron winning this is by KO, which with Cotto's chin and Cintrons power is definitely a possibility. A very dangerous fight for Cotto.

[warrior85]

cotto,with sustained pressure&body shots cotto would break him down in 9, would be a hell of a fight basically cotto-torres 2 but with more knockdowns

[Ring Master]

cotto would make kermee cry like margarito made him cry.

You keep saying that...but that's all your saying.

All Cotto fans admit this is a bad match up for Cotto. Cintron is obviously an improved fighter since that night against Margo. Cintron had hand surgrey, a long layoff and a short camp for Margo. While Margo had a great camp. Cintron has a new trainer in Steward and now conducts world class training camps with world class sparring.

Cintron has amazing power in his straight right and right uppercut, two punches Cotto does not defend well against. Cintron has the height, reach and length to get out of range on Cotto and drop bombs on that suspect defense. Something the 5'7 Judah could not do.

Cintron is 5'11 with a 72" reach. Cotto is 5'6 with a 67" inch reach. Another thing turning south paw against cintron would only open him up for the right hand that much more imo.

Now Relentless, can you please explain how Cotto would logisticly get past this stlylistic nightmare match up with such ease? Or are you just blowing smoke with your dismissive comments of Cintron?

[gutto]

Proper Battle But I Think Cotto Takes Him Out Back End Of The Fight But Dangerous Fight For Cotto

[Relentless]

Now Relentless, can you please explain how Cotto would logisticly get past this stlylistic nightmare match up with such ease? Or are you just blowing smoke with your dismissive comments of Cintron?

i dont need to explain anything, let me just put it this way, anything margarito can do cotto can do better.

[Relentless]

but if you really want an explenation i'll give you one....

cintron cant take pressure, everytime he is pressured he throws big shots without looking, he panicks, his inside fighting isn't great, cotto will be pressuring him all night long, nonstop body and face attack, cotto will not give kermee room to setup his big 1-2, it will probably go around 6 or 7 rounds and kermee will crumble and burst out in tears, again.

[mattress]

I will go with Cotto in this one because he has faced better competition than Cintron

I absolutely hate this being used as a reason for one fighter beating another. It's a crock of shit that has little/no bearing on the outcome. I must have read it a few dozen times as to why Taylor was going to beat Pavlik. Please, no more!

[chimba]

Cotto will wear Cintron down and make him quit

[Relentless]

Cotto will wear Cintron down and make him quit

CRY :nono

[chimba]

CRY :nono


That too:lol:

[Pimp C]

Cotto by KO I don't see Cintron having the mental toughnes in order to beat someone like Cotto.

[Relentless]

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margarito making him beg.

[brooklyn1550]

I picked Cintron by KO

[chimba]

I picked Cintron by KO

:shock: wow

[brooklyn1550]

:shock: wow

:lol: I'm a big fan of Miguel Cotto, but I don't know...I just have a picture of Hearns-Duran in my head and I think Cintron would find the mark early with a huge right hand and finish him off.

Cotto would have to weather the early storm, go to the body, and break him down.

[jecxbox]

Cotto is so much more the better skillfull fighter. He will systematically break Cintron down and win by KO.

[Relentless]

Cintron isnt going to touch Cotto because he'll be damaged goods once Mosley gets through with him.

Cintron doesn't take sloppy seconds.

why did he take a guy that paul williams already punished?

atleast cotto's got guts going up against the legendary sugar man, cintron agreed to fight mosley and then backed out,
mosley had to go after collazo.

but i dont blame him, mosley hits harder than margarito.

[Relentless]

Cotto is going to systematically break down cintron?? lol... Cotto is no tactician and his defense isn't tight enough for him to break cintron down without taking flush shots in return... Cintron can take Cotto's punches but can Cotto take cintron's??? I doubt it.. Cintron will make Cotto do the salsa dance, just like Chop chop did.

cintron couldn't take margaritos punches, cotto will make him beg for mercy like that.....

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cintron avoided sugar man.

[brooklyn1550]

Cotto is going to systematically break down cintron?? lol... Cotto is no tactician and his defense isn't tight enough for him to break cintron down without taking flush shots in return... Cintron can take Cotto's punches but can Cotto take cintron's??? I doubt it.. Cintron will make Cotto do the salsa dance, just like Chop chop did.

Cotto is an excellent tactician - he knows exactly how to break guys down.

[Relentless]

Paul Williams had to go full 12 rounds with Mythese whereas Cintron blistered him without a sweat..

Cintron had the balls to face Margarito in 05 when cotto was still being protected and fighting pizza boys and part time cable guys...

Oh c'mon man, how can you say that Cintron backed out when you don't even know what really went down behind the scene???

why dont you tell me what happened behind the scene?

from what i know, mosley was ready to fight cintron, and then cintron backs out, collazo takes over.

paul williams ruined mattysse.

[BoppaZoo]

This is the closest fight ive had to pick in say probably 3 months now.

This fight could go either way. Both have ok chins. Both have good power with Cintron being a bit more of a KO puncher. but Cotto can break fighters down with his tactics and body punching.

Then Kermit is faster with a better reach and jab also.

Im leaning toward Cintron but Cotto could win also.

Shit Shit Shit which way to go.

[brooklyn1550]

Last time I checked, a tactician doesn't move forward with reckless abandon, taking 3 punches to land one of his... that hardly sounds like a tactician to me...

Mijarez, Castillo, Marquez, are tacticians..

Cotto is just a relentless brawler.

He is a tactician in the regard that he uses his jab to get inside and knows exactly where to place shots. He takes his time and is also quite versatile and can beat you in a variety of ways. He is a good counter puncher as well. A relentless brawler is somebody like Lamon Brewster. Cotto is an excellent tactician who knows exactly how to break his opponents down.

[BoppaZoo]

He is a tactician in the regard that he uses his jab to get inside and knows exactly where to place shots. He takes his time and is also quite versatile and can beat you in a variety of ways. He is a good counter puncher as well. A relentless brawler is somebody like Lamon Brewster. Cotto is an excellent tactician who knows exactly how to break his opponents down.Having said that he stumbles alot on the way to breaking his opponents down. Takes to many punches for me and relies on his inside work.

If Cintron kept Cotto to the outside Kermit would school and hurt Cotto i feel.

Its just weather Cintron can keep him to the outside. Cotto makes more mistake than Cintron during his fights also i feel.

[brooklyn1550]

I see Cotto as a " Skilled Brawler " than a tactician.

I have no problem with that:good

[brooklyn1550]

Both chins are fragile and the slightest tap will shatter them. It's a matter of whoever's chin can hold up. Floyd would beat both with ease...I know that much.

It would take more than "the slightest tap" to shatter them.

[hitman_hatton1]

It would take more than "the slightest tap" to shatter them.

i'd favour cotto over floyd. :yep

the way he tore into judah was terrific.

fast and furious.

mayweather would be getting chased outta town. :lol:

[Relentless]

i'd favour cotto over floyd. :yep

the way he tore into judah was terrific.

fast and furious.

mayweather would be getting chased outta town. :lol:

aren't you the guy who picked quintana to beat cotto?

[carras]

You guys are making too much out of Cintron's win over the highly average Walter Matthysse. He still hasn't really shown anything that would make me believe that he could take Cotto. Miguel makes this guy cry like a bitch worse than Margarito did.

Cotto by KO in 8.

Agreed

[Caper]

Both chins are fragile and the slightest tap will shatter them. It's a matter of whoever's chin can hold up. Floyd would beat both with ease...I know that much.

:roll:

Somebody give him a lollypop

Dude this thread has nothing to do with Floyd, I've always enjoyed PBF and admired his skill but some of his fans are obsessed to the point of retardation. Everytime you post you make reference to PBF. The fact that you claim PBF beats both men with ease without even seeing them in the ring with eachother just tells me how much you really are a fan of boxing as compared to being a fan of PBF.

[BITCH ASS]

:roll:

Somebody give him a lollypop

Dude this thread has nothing to do with Floyd, I've always enjoyed PBF and admired his skill but some of his fans are obsessed to the point of retardation. Everytime you post you make reference to PBF. The fact that you claim PBF beats both men with ease without even seeing them in the ring with eachother just tells me how much you really are a fan of boxing as compared to being a fan of PBF.

Yeah especially since Cotto would give Floyd the beating of his life, win or lose.

And against Cintron?

I'm not entirely sure Floyd can beat Cintron.

[hitman_hatton1]

aren't you the guy who picked quintana to beat cotto?

:scaredas:

[Ring Master]

i dont need to explain anything, let me just put it this way, anything margarito can do cotto can do better.

Your right you don't. You expressed an opinion and i just wanted to know if there was any logic behind it.

Margo at 5'11 with a 1 inch reach advantage over Cintron can hit him with a jab at outside range, Cotto at 5'6 can't do that:nono

[Ring Master]

but if you really want an explenation i'll give you one....

cintron cant take pressure, everytime he is pressured he throws big shots without looking, he panicks, his inside fighting isn't great, cotto will be pressuring him all night long, nonstop body and face attack, cotto will not give kermee room to setup his big 1-2, it will probably go around 6 or 7 rounds and kermee will crumble and burst out in tears, again.

I just wanted to know why you are so dismissive of Cintron, All Cotto fans acknowledge this is a big problem for Cotto style wise, except you. I don't think you properly addressed the size difference and how Cotto will get in with out taking flush bombs. Also, Kermit's uppercuts are mean, I don't know how you say he has no inside game.

But I appreciate your response.

[Relentless]

I just wanted to know why you are so dismissive of Cintron, All Cotto fans acknowledge this is a big problem for Cotto style wise, except you. I don't think you properly addressed the size difference and how Cotto will get in with out taking flush bombs. Also, Kermit's uppercuts are mean, I don't know how you say he has no inside game.

But I appreciate your response.

since he has been with steward he mostly works on the jab and straight right, when he is fighting inside he goes wild.

the difference between me and the other cotto fans is that i'm not puerto rican, they are thats why they like cintron.

[Ring Master]

since he has been with steward he mostly works on the jab and straight right, when he is fighting inside he goes wild.

the difference between me and the other cotto fans is that i'm not puerto rican, they are thats why they like cintron.

he knocked his last 2 opponents out with inside punches. Steward definatley improved his jab, he has some power in that jab now which could also be a problem for Cotto. How will he get inside?

[jopez707]

Would be a very good fight should be made. Someone is going to be knocked out.