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wolunt
02-24-2010, 11:39 AM
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"I would like to apologize to Brock Lesnar, his family, the UFC, and the UFC fans for my stupid remarks. I respect Brock, all the other fighters, and the sport of mixed martial arts. I’m sorry that I stepped out of line."—Frank Mir

I figured that it would be most appropriate that I write about Mir’s apology, because in fairness, I was probably one of his toughest critics in these past couple of days.

First, please let me speak on behalf of myself—and myself alone—when I say that Mir’s apology is absolutely accepted.

“Mistakes are always forgivable, if one has the courage to admit them.”—Bruce Lee

In fact, I should be thanking Frank Mir.

Despite what some fight fans may think, I do not hate Frank Mir. I never have.

Have I been a bit critical of him for some of his “mind-game” antics? Yes.

Did he annoy me during his stint as a TUF coach with his constant “Junie...Niiiiiiicce!” remarks? Yes.

So then, why (at the risk of sounding like a back-peddler—which would require an apology, by the way) am I thanking Frank Mir?

I am thanking him, because if not for him, we would not have all been discussing the issue of fight-hyping, trash-talking, and “how far is too far?”

Here is an obvious example: "I want to fight Brock Lesnar. I hate who he is as a person. I want to break his neck in the ring. I want him to be the first person that dies to Octagon-related injuries.”—Frank Mir, WXDX Radio

It’s tough to say that this comment crossed the line because in fairness to Mir, there was no predetermined line to cross. Bad behaviour has been tolerated and excused by many up until this point, and there needs to be a higher level of accountability and professionalism in MMA if we want this sport to continue its incredible growth as an industry (still not legal in New York and Ontario).

For all of the complaining that fight fans did when Brock Lesnar first came into the UFC about not wanting it to emulate the poor characteristics and bad behaviours typically found in the WWE, I was surprised that some fans didn’t really have a problem with Mir’s remarks. In fact, they liked them.

Personally, I found them unprofessional, irresponsible, and downright idiotic.

Anyway, enough said about that. We all make mistakes.

It’s water under the bridge for this fight fan.

Lord knows that I am in no way perfect, and the folks that are probably the most upset with me for writing my last article (c’mon Gary...how ‘bout a hug?!) would certainly be the first in line to tell you exactly that.

I accept that about myself, and I accept that about Frank Mir.

I take my responsibility as a parent and as a coach seriously.

Maybe a little too seriously sometimes...

In fact, a common trend amongst my articles (even the ones bashing Tito) has been ensuring that all professional athletes act in a way that influences our youth positively and responsibly.

Admittedly, Frank Mir had me second guessing my own involvement in this sport. Even some of the comments by the fans had me wondering, why on earth I would want to associate my name and reputation with MMA.

Then, I received this private e-mail from a young man:

“I was trying to get my dad to watch MMA. I was showing him stuff on the web and telling him about the sport. When we came up on Mir’s comments . He is a very critical man and decided he did not think much of the sportsmanship. This morning I sent him a link to your article. He liked what he read. He emailed me back and said maybe. I appreciate your article because it does show that the fans are not barbaric and do not think it should be tolerated. I read somewhere Mir would not let his children watch TUF because of a reason that in my opinion was not even close to what he said. Please excuse spelling and capital letters I’m really trying.”

This has really inspired me to keep going and so, like it or not, I will continue to speak out on the things that I do not like about this sport, in the hopes that one day, it could be something that everyone would all be proud to let their own children get involved with (it’s all about planting “roots,” folks).

Look, I’m not a naive guy.

I know that this is a violent sport. I just really thought that Mir went too far.

More than anything, I felt that Mir’s remarks warranted a serious discussion, exploring all possible consequences.

Martial arts, for me, has NEVER been about violence. I don’t see any competitive fighting sport that way. I have always looked at it more like a physical chess game.

A Sport!

Why would I want to endorse and promote MMA if I thought that it was just stupid brutality?

I could just go down to any local bar instead and watch two idiots kick the crap out of each other for free.

You can call me soft if you want (thanks Stoke), but I call it...being responsible.

And in the best interests of Frank Mir and his mental health, I feel the following quote by a “fan” sums it up best:

“Realistically, the loss to Lesnar has obviously affected Mir and it's clear that he's got some issues involving Lesnar to the level that his judgment is clouded on subjects relating to Brock. I know when I heard him say his motivation to train insane and beat Kongo was so that he could one day tear off Brocks arm in a rematch, I actually was on the fence about where Frank was mentally with his loss. I don't wonder now, Frank needs some closure on that issue, whether it's in the cage or in a therapists room, he needs it badly, it's clear. We've all said and done things we have regretted or STILL regret because we haven't reconciled the situation and I'm pretty sure at SOME point it would be prudent for Frank to make an apology for what was said and rectify his career in the sport.”

Frank Mir is without a doubt a future Hall of Famer in this sport.

We should all want what is best for him.

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I think I'm ok with this. Not the best apology but it's enough for me. Fighters are not politicians and don't always say the smartest things. While this was down right stupid, he's still just a fighter. While he tries to sound smarter than he really is, clearly he is not with these types of comments. I'm glad he made a quick apology but don't know if he would have if Dana hadn't chewed his arse. I'm ready to move on, bring on Carwin/Mir and lets see Mir do something he's actually really good at. :D

BewareofDawg
02-24-2010, 12:20 PM
Frank Mir is an obsessive asshole

Rattler
02-24-2010, 12:30 PM
He probably think Lesnar got lucky the second time around too.

PH|LLA
02-24-2010, 12:41 PM
Lesnar beat the crap out of him and then got in his face when he was semi-conscious. Its understandable that Mir hates his ass to death.

Rattler
02-24-2010, 12:44 PM
Lesnar beat the crap out of him and then got in his face when he was semi-conscious. Its understandable that Mir hates his ass to death.

Well, that's what happens when you talk shit after you get lucky in a fight (and Mir got lucky the first go round with Lesnar).

LB3000
02-24-2010, 12:45 PM
It was a stupid comment to make. I know Frank likes to talk smack, but I was kinda surprised he took it that far, I thought he was smarter then that.

Tuffnutz
02-24-2010, 01:13 PM
Lesnar beat the crap out of him and then got in his face when he was semi-conscious. Its understandable that Mir hates his ass to death.
:good

wolunt
02-24-2010, 01:23 PM
It was a stupid comment to make. I know Frank likes to talk smack, but I was kinda surprised he took it that far, I thought he was smarter then that.

I agree 100% While I wish the apology would have been more sincere, I'm ready to move on with it also.

Thom
02-24-2010, 01:38 PM
If they fight a third time, it will be the first time that I've ever supported Lesnar going into a fight. Mir is a giant douchebag.

jimmie
02-24-2010, 02:06 PM
Well, that's what happens when you talk shit after you get lucky in a fight (and Mir got lucky the first go round with Lesnar).

How is a better BJJ fighter catching a guy with a kneebar lucky ? Its lucky if Lesnar slipped on some water and ran into a kneebar.

Popkins
02-24-2010, 02:11 PM
What did Mir say that he is apologizing for?

I've always thought Mir is a class act, and I think he's better now than ever before. I hope he beats Lesnar when they next meet, and I have a feeling he will.

Boyd
02-24-2010, 02:26 PM
Well, that's what happens when you talk shit after you get lucky in a fight (and Mir got lucky the first go round with Lesnar).Lucky my ass. Mir stayed totaly calm as Brock flayed away like a retard. Mir saw his opening and took it. you call that luck you know fuck all about BJJ.

Rattler
02-24-2010, 02:29 PM
How is a better BJJ fighter catching a guy with a kneebar lucky ? Its lucky if Lesnar slipped on some water and ran into a kneebar.

Because Mir took, like half an hour setting it up, piece by piece and at no point did Lesnar have a clue what he was working for. A rookie mistake by Lesnar. Throw in Mazzagatti's retarded stand up after one accidental punch to the back of the head (although, considering Lesnar had to tap out TWICE because Mazzatard missed the first one, that can be chalked up to his being a horrible ref) and Mir caught some breaks in that fight.

BewareofDawg
02-24-2010, 02:29 PM
How is a better BJJ fighter catching a guy with a kneebar lucky ? Its lucky if Lesnar slipped on some water and ran into a kneebar.
"Lucky", in that they could probably fight 100 times again and Lesnar will never let him catch him in that that way, and then not even roll the right way to fight it off :deal

Rattler
02-24-2010, 02:37 PM
Lucky... fortunate... whatever you want to call it, Lesnar was smacking Mir down like a bitch when he got caught. Instead of calling it like it was, Mir acted like he owned Lesnar and talked like a bitch about it. You'd think after the rematch he would've learned not to piss off Brock, but apparently not.

achillesthegreat
02-24-2010, 02:38 PM
Frank is very angry and for the way Brock acted, I don't blame him. The apology is accepted.

I love the fact Dana sits these guys down, boys them up and has them apologising the next day. Imagine James Toney apologising :lol:

Dynamite Kid
02-24-2010, 07:03 PM
Frank is very angry and for the way Brock acted, I don't blame him. The apology is accepted.

I love the fact Dana sits these guys down, boys them up and has them apologising the next day. Imagine James Toney apologising :lol:

To be truthfully honest, I don't what's the point of Dana's disciplining here. It was recently when he said Herschel Walker would die in the UFC.

Nosbor
02-24-2010, 08:35 PM
I do not care! Quite frankly most fighters/athletes are painfull to hear speak.. It is all 8th grade bullshit. That is what their demographic expects/wants from them. Sports would not have the same appeal if the participants spole like British professors.

Scotty321
02-24-2010, 09:41 PM
I can understand if someone says some poor comments just before or after a fight when they are hyped up, but Mir has no excuses. He's a co-commentator and understands the media better than anyone. I hope Carwin smashes him and I'm happy to see that the resounding mauling that Lesnar dished out to him at UFC 100, still hurts him to the core!

Beebs
02-24-2010, 10:36 PM
The fans shouldn't really give a fuck; does anybody actually think he wants Lesnar to actually be seriously injured?

rusty nails
02-24-2010, 11:39 PM
i hated frank mirs guts when i first came across him and i pretty much shrugged him off as an arrogant, pretty boy, wannabe fighter but after paying closer attention and seeing him perform over the years ive gradually grown to be a massive mir fan.
He really is an intelligent guy who makes a concious effort to control his ego.
how many fighters will apologise, admit to being scared in the cage, point out their own shortcomings etc..
the other thing is no matter what he says its going to be 100% truth.
whether or not you agree with him is another matter but he calls it like he sees it.

go frank mir i say..

thejokerswild
02-25-2010, 12:00 AM
Sorry don't mean shit, a real man takes responsibility for his actions regardless of how sad he is about what was done.

2ironmt
02-25-2010, 12:26 AM
i hated frank mirs guts when i first came across him and i pretty much shrugged him off as an arrogant, pretty boy, wannabe fighter but after paying closer attention and seeing him perform over the years ive gradually grown to be a massive mir fan.
He really is an intelligent guy who makes a concious effort to control his ego.
how many fighters will apologise, admit to being scared in the cage, point out their own shortcomings etc..
the other thing is no matter what he says its going to be 100% truth.
whether or not you agree with him is another matter but he calls it like he sees it.

go frank mir i say..i hear you - he's intelligent and a very good hw, but i don't know how much credit he should get on this apology. first off it was just a dumb thing to say (if anyone's gonna die in a rematch it'll be him and he got owned last time) and i doubt lesnar was "offended" by it as i'm sure he's said worse. second, he was probably feeling a lot of heat from fans and maybe ufc brass. so he probably rationalized that the best thing to do was retract/appologize.

uppa kut
02-25-2010, 07:41 PM
Ali and Tyson bravado has passed...Klitschko and Fedor sportsmanship is the way it's done now...

Koa
02-25-2010, 09:12 PM
Seems a bit dramatic to me..

Just feels like WWE style drama to me, in order to create more interest for the fight. Already interesting to me without the drama.

Club Fighter
02-25-2010, 10:11 PM
Mir's my boy. Fuck all else.