End of Calzaghe

[THN]

I like Calgazhe but he will loose big time,
What about his fans?
Will they pick up a new sport or just vanish forever?

[mattress]

If Calzaghe does win, will you come on here and admit that you really are clueless when it comes to boxing?

[THN]

If Calzaghe does win, will you come on here and admit that you really are clueless when it comes to boxing?
Yes! but it wont happend!

[THN]

Actually I'll become one of the biggest Calzaghe fan

[China_hand_Joe]

Kessler should win.

[mattress]

I've heard all this cheap talk before. About 20 months ago in fact.

[THN]

I'd just like to see some topics displaying some sort of wit around this godforsaken match.

And it won't end even when they're scraping Kessler off the mat... soon it'll be about how Kessler should have won if Joe had been DQd for slapping, or how if it's a points win it was a robbery.

I CAN'T STAND IT!!!!!

If Kessler wins it'll be even worse...

Easy mate! we are only looking forward to the match.:D
I can asure you it will be worse, bc. Kessler will win:yep

[mattress]

Easy mate! we are only looking forward to the match.:D
I can asure you it will be worse, bc. Kessler will win:yep


There you have it, no guesswork, no assumption, no opinion. Just hard facts! Calzaghe is gonna lose. :patsch

I bet you said Lacy was going to win. Oh no, you didn't follow boxing back then?

[THN]

There you have it, no guesswork, no assumption, no opinion. Just hard facts! Calzaghe is gonna lose. :patsch

I bet you said Lacy was going to win. Oh no, you didn't follow boxing back then?
I did not support Lacy, he was and is no contender to the champ, but Kessler is the reel deal, fast and strong, Calzaghe will loose

[Cruiser1]

There you have it, no guesswork, no assumption, no opinion. Just hard facts! Calzaghe is gonna lose. :patsch

I bet you said Lacy was going to win. Oh no, you didn't follow boxing back then?

You will see come November 3rd that Mikkel Kessler is not Jeff Lacy. Get my drift? ;)

[Korn_06]

I did not support Lacy, he was and is no contender to the champ, but Kessler is the reel deal, fast and strong, Calzaghe will loose

:good

[Zakman]

Calzaghe will defeat Kessler on Nov. 3rd. It will be another comfortable victory.
Exactly. He's gonna put on another clinic, and Lacy-ize him. :yep

[Dantes]

Joe's great. But Kessler will win, i can feel it.:good

[PrideOfWales]

I'll still be here because I like boxing.

[rushman]

I cant see any Lacy-style blowouts here. (I predicted Joe would beat Lacy on points).

I have Joe as a deserved favourite going into the fight. I expect him to win 8 rounds to 4. It will be a tough fight! Kessler is no Lacy. He is a better fighter, and his style isn't tailor-made for Joe (unlike Lacy).

[warrior85]

calzaghe KO kessler 10

[boxfan99]

Calzaghe will defeat Kessler on Nov. 3rd. It will be another comfortable victory.

If so, it will be a close disputed (not in UK of course but everywhere else) hometown decision.

[boxfan99]

I'll still be here because I like boxing.

:good

[boxfan99]

No Kessle will lose because he's nothing special, whereas Joe is very special.

So if Calzaghe wins a close decision, what does that say about him?
To be honest with you, I will be satisfied as long as there a no dispute about who the winner is. I just don't want to see a disputable win for either fighter.

[THN]

I'll still be here because I like boxing.

Thats how I feel:good

[satyriion]

Yeah the winner should be hailed as the chief. I love boxing.

[bill poster]

It will be a tough close fight!! I cannot pick a winner but leaning more towards kessler. I could be wrong and jc puts on a clinic

[Simply_The_Best]

Calzaghe is going to knock him out - his combo's will be too much for kessler.

[The Hitman]

Whatever happens on November 3rd, it will not change the way some people on here look at Joe Calzaghe. If he wins they'll say "Kessler was a another Lacy, Calfaggi is too scared to fight Lucien Bute" and if he loses they'll say "Kessler is the second coming of Sugar Ray Robinson, but Calzaghe is a fag"

Joe cannot win on ESB, it just doesnt happen :deal I think Joe takes it by UD but I don't think he'll get half the credit he deserves for doing so.

[THN]

To me he will get all the credit he wants, bc if he can beat Kessler he is good
for sure.

[HolgerD]

For every day that passes I'm feeling increasingly sure of a Kessler win
provided he can keep the distance and throw some bombs to keep Calzaghe off.

Anybody with info on Calzaghe and Kesslers reach? Please post.

[boxfan99]

Calzaghe is going to knock him out - his combo's will be too much for kessler.

Just like he knocked out Bika, Lacy or Manfredo? Granted he got a TKO against Manfredo with the help from the fat O'Conner who a short while before handed Froch a likewise hometown stoppage againt Tatevosyan. I guess the fat prick doesn't like going the rounds.:yep

Kessler has never been down or even close to going down as a pro and has never been stopped in his entire boxing career (amateur included), but Calzaghe will stop him?:roll: How? If I may ask, and please come up with something better than Calzaghes pitter patter combos. If Calzaghe could hit like he did 8-10 years ago, then I would have believed in a Calzage KO but not now, but Calzaghes hands are too fragile and he doesn't dare risk breaking them against Kessler.

[THN]

He'll need both hands to keep Kessler away

[boxfan99]

He'll need both hands to keep Kessler away

THN, you do know that your avatar doesn't look like "Dronning Margrethe", right? You have to make the teeth look a lot, and I mean a lot, worse.;)

[THN]

THN, you do know that your avatar doesn't look like "Dronning Margrethe", right? You have to make the teeth look a lot, and I mean a lot, worse.;)
Thanks!:D

[Korn_06]

Well to put some numbers as I see the fight.

Onesided UD or TKO for JC: 10%
Close decision for JC: 25%
Close decision for MK: 30%
Onesided UD or TKO for MK: 35%

Ignoring the the draw. That is how I see probabilities in the fight.

[THN]

Close decision Calzaghe (hometown decision) 40 %
UD Kessler 10 %
Tko Kessler 50 %
Calzaghe stay in he's corner after round 8

[THN]

How many of you will go to Wales the 3rd. Nov. ?

[boxfan99]

Well to put some numbers as I see the fight.

Onesided UD or TKO for JC: 10%
Close decision for JC: 25%
Close decision for MK: 30%
Onesided UD or TKO for MK: 35%

Ignoring the the draw. That is how I see probabilities in the fight.

I think you are wrong about the close decision percentages. The close decision normally goes to the hometown fighter, in this case Calzaghe. This is actually why I have this fight as an almost 50-50 fight, because I can't see Calzaghe lose a close decision in Cardiff. If Kessler should win a close decision (on the scorecards), then it most likely will be a wide decision made close by the hometown judging.

[China_hand_Joe]

Calzaghe stay in he's corner after round 8

That is an utterly insane comment, mate.

[Korn_06]

I think you are wrong about the close decision percentages. The close decision normally goes to the hometown fighter, in this case Calzaghe. This is actually why I have this fight as an almost 50-50 fight, because I can't see Calzaghe lose a close decision in Cardiff. If Kessler should win a close decision (on the scorecards), then it most likely will be a wide decision made close by the hometown judging.

Yes I understand but then in fact it will not be possible or at least difficult for Kessler to get a Wide UD so it is that percentage that will go down? In fact I think there is over 1/3 chance for a TKO for Kessler.

[Korn_06]

How many of you will go to Wales the 3rd. Nov. ?

I really considered going but it is really expensive since I am staying in China. I have decided to wait until Kessler fights in Vegas and go there instead.

[boxfan99]

Yes I understand but then in fact it will not be possible or at least difficult for Kessler to get a Wide UD so it is that percentage that will go down? In fact I think there is over 1/3 chance for a TKO for Kessler.

OK, I get you.:good

My percentages would look something like this when the hometown judging have been taken into account:

JC by close decision 33%
JC by wide UD 10%
JC by stoppage 5%
MK by close decision 30%
MK by wide UD 2%
MK by stoppage 20%

I have left out things like NC, TD, DQ and draw.

[China_hand_Joe]

Calzaghe TKO - 30%
Calzaghe UD - 80%

[boxfan99]

Calzaghe TKO - 30%
Calzaghe UD - 80%

Yeah, my Illuminated friend, I guess percentages are all relative.:p

[safe_pa]

The fact is most Calzaghe fans are British, Britain right now has quite a few talented boxers so even if Joe did lose and decided to retire I assume the fans will still be here supporting other fighters they like. Apart from Kessler can you name a popular Danish boxer?
Anyway your question is flawed. You assume people are only Calzaghe fans and not fans of boxing. This is very silly.

[mattress]

Anyway your question is flawed. You assume people are only Calzaghe fans and not fans of boxing. This is very silly.

Well said. Maybe this question should be asked of the new KP fans? Bllody hell, I am getting as bitchy as the JC haters!:patsch

BTW, if Pavlik (or anyone else) has brought new fans to boxing then that's great.:thumbsup

[Jose FM]

Kessler will win.

[the_churn]

If it goes like the Manfredo fight (and PM clearly would have lost on points by a wide margin), it will simply take a few non-connecting slapping flurries and the fight will be stopped via TKO. I hope that Kessler has taken the risk of fighting in Wales into account and stays off the ropes.

[PrideOfWales]

What are the chances of Calzaghe breaking his hand in this fight?

[mattress]

If it goes like the Manfredo fight (and PM clearly would have lost on points by a wide margin), it will simply take a few non-connecting slapping flurries and the fight will be stopped via TKO. I hope that Kessler has taken the risk of fighting in Wales into account and stays off the ropes.

I think the ref saw that the only outcome of that fight was Manfredo getting hurt, pointlessly. I agree that the fight never should have taken place. The thing that gets me is that Calzaghe had to fight some american chump just to get some recognition in the US. Do most Americans know of anything/anyone outside their borders?

[Caliboxing]

Calzaghe by UD.

[the_churn]

I think the ref saw that the only outcome of that fight was Manfredo getting hurt, pointlessly. I agree that the fight never should have taken place. The thing that gets me is that Calzaghe had to fight some american chump just to get some recognition in the US. Do most Americans know of anything/anyone outside their borders?

I don't agree. Manfredo wasn't getting hurt, at least at that point, and not many punches were actually connecting. He was, however, and would have continued to get embarassed on a very high level. It's not like Manfredo has an iron chin. The ref did a disservice to JC by not letting JC put him down at least once.

Perhaps there is some unwillingness to accept JC as a great fighter in the States because he never fights outside of Wales, but who is to blame for that? Real champions take the show on the road. Ali did and was beloved throughout the world. Hatton may be on the downslope, but he has an American fanbase that far exceeds that of JC and I am willing to bet a lot of Americans on here are crossing their fingers that he knocks Floyd TFO. Why is that? Because Hatton is willing to fight in Vegas.

Like it or not JC also faces the same problem that Hopkins faced earlier in his career and it's not one of nationality. Hopkins spent a lot of time as champ in a division without a ton of depth. He made up for this later in his career and perhaps JC will as well.

And, yes, as an American who has travelled all over the world, I can indeed sadly agree that a majority of Americans don't give a damn what happens outside of the States. Part of this cultural and part of this is economic. The USA is a lot bigger than England and it isn't always easy or cheap to just jump a plane across the pond as it is for someone in London to hop over to Normandy or the like.

[Rollo]

What are the chances of Calzaghe breaking his hand in this fight?

Zero - he won´t be able to hit Kessler.

[boxfan99]

I think the ref saw that the only outcome of that fight was Manfredo getting hurt, pointlessly. I agree that the fight never should have taken place. The thing that gets me is that Calzaghe had to fight some american chump just to get some recognition in the US. Do most Americans know of anything/anyone outside their borders?

I saw that before the fight took place (won an avatar bet actually:yep ), so I guess the ref should have stopped the fight when it started.:lol:
As you said, the fight should never have taken place, Stieglitz would have been a better opponent, and that is saying a lot, and then Calzaghe would have held onto the IBF title, which would have caused the winner of Calzaghe-Kessler to become only the third fighter in history to hold the four biggest ABC's at the same time (the other two were Hopkins and Taylor).

[PrideOfWales]

I saw that before the fight took place (won an avatar bet actually:yep ), so I guess the ref should have stopped the fight when it started.:lol:
As you said, the fight should never have taken place, Stieglitz would have been a better opponent, and that is saying a lot, and then Calzaghe would have held onto the IBF title, which would have caused the winner of Calzaghe-Kessler to become only the third fighter in history to hold the four biggest ABC's at the same time (the other two were Hopkins and Taylor).

I'd have to agree whole heardedly with this post. A mighty fine contribution boxfan99

[boxfan99]

I don't agree. Manfredo wasn't getting hurt, at least at that point, and not many punches were actually connecting. He was, however, and would have continued to get embarassed on a very high level. It's not like Manfredo has an iron chin. The ref did a disservice to JC by not letting JC put him down at least once.

Perhaps there is some unwillingness to accept JC as a great fighter in the States because he never fights outside of Wales, but who is to blame for that? Real champions take the show on the road. Ali did and was beloved throughout the world. Hatton may be on the downslope, but he has an American fanbase that far exceeds that of JC and I am willing to bet a lot of Americans on here are crossing their fingers that he knocks Floyd TFO. Why is that? Because Hatton is willing to fight in Vegas.

Like it or not JC also faces the same problem that Hopkins faced earlier in his career and it's not one of nationality. Hopkins spent a lot of time as champ in a division without a ton of depth. He made up for this later in his career and perhaps JC will as well.

And, yes, as an American who has travelled all over the world, I can indeed sadly agree that a majority of Americans don't give a damn what happens outside of the States. Part of this cultural and part of this is economic. The USA is a lot bigger than England and it isn't always easy or cheap to just jump a plane across the pond as it is for someone in London to hop over to Normandy or the like.

No, he didn't, because Calzaghe hurt his hand which would have made the fight harder for Calzaghe, and he would probably just have won a lacklustre snoozer.

[THN]

[quote=PrideOfWales]What are the chances of Calzaghe breaking his hand in this fight?[/quot

Zero, to break the hand you need to hit somthing, and he wont:D :D :D

[the_churn]

No, he didn't, because Calzaghe hurt his hand which would have made the fight harder for Calzaghe, and he would probably just have won a lacklustre snoozer.

He did? Was that the reason for the non connecting shoeshine?

[C.J.Rock]

Perhaps there is some unwillingness to accept JC as a great fighter in the States because he never fights outside of Wales

Name me one fight Tinkerbelle Mayweather fought outside the US??
Oh but its OK for US "fighters" to stay home but not JC huh? I hope Ricky Hatton beats the bejabbers out of Mayweather

[China_hand_Joe]

Perhaps there is some unwillingness to accept JC as a great fighter in the States because he never fights outside of Wales

Name me one fight Tinkerbelle Mayweather fought outside the US??
Oh but its OK for US "fighters" to stay home but not JC huh? I hope Ricky Hatton beats the bejabbers out of Mayweather

They say the US is where all the big fights are.

However at 168, that is clearly not the case.

[the_churn]

Perhaps there is some unwillingness to accept JC as a great fighter in the States because he never fights outside of Wales

Name me one fight Tinkerbelle Mayweather fought outside the US??
Oh but its OK for US "fighters" to stay home but not JC huh? I hope Ricky Hatton beats the bejabbers out of Mayweather
I'll tell you why this is the case. Las Vegas and Atlantic City are the crown cities of boxing and have been since the 1970's. While Cardiff may be an eminently pleasant place to live, it is not historically a "boxing town." In fact, until some European city replaces Vegas as a bigger draw for non-hometown fighters, JC's unwillingness to leave his hometown will always be open for criticism.

No offense, but why should Mayweather or Hopkins fight anywhere but in the U.S? They certainly won't make a bigger payday anywere else but in the States. Hatton recognizes this and that is why he is willing to fight in Vegas. In fact, Hatton is fast becoming somewhat of a media darling in America. This is good for his pocketbook and its good for boxing as a whole.

If JC had been willing to take more chances earlier in his career with the fights he picked or the places he fought, he'd have a lot more fans. Perhaps, though, he is guilty of the same small mindedness that Europeans accuse American boxing fans of and never realized that there was a world outside of the U.K. that might want to see him face some adversity.

[sean]

I'll tell you why this is the case. Las Vegas and Atlantic City are the crown cities of boxing and have been since the 1970's. While Cardiff may be an eminently pleasant place to live, it is not historically a "boxing town." In fact, until some European city replaces Vegas as a bigger draw for non-hometown fighters, JC's unwillingness to leave his hometown will always be open for criticism.

No offense, but why should Mayweather or Hopkins fight anywhere but in the U.S? They certainly won't make a bigger payday anywere else but in the States. Hatton recognizes this and that is why he is willing to fight in Vegas. In fact, Hatton is fast becoming somewhat of a media darling in America. This is good for his pocketbook and its good for boxing as a whole.

If JC had been willing to take more chances earlier in his career with the fights he picked or the places he fought, he'd have a lot more fans. Perhaps, though, he is guilty of the same small mindedness that Europeans accuse American boxing fans of and never realized that there was a world outside of the U.K. that might want to see him face some adversity.


if the top american fights took place at 4am to 5 am in the morning would boxing in america suffer ?

[mattress]

if the top american fights took place at 4am to 5 am in the morning would boxing in america suffer ?


of course it would. they'd all be watching UFC or WWF,

[Guitarman]

I think Calzaghe will box masterfully. Kessler is good, but I really don't think he will be busy enough

[Laydown]

Close decision Calzaghe (hometown decision) 10 %
UD Kessler (hometown ref) 0 %
Tko Kessler 50 %
KO Kessler 40 %