Supplements

[gilly]

im looking for answers if i should take any supplements & if so witch ones are best for me..i train hard six days a weeks sometimes twice a day.i eat pretty good & stay of the piss leading upto fights but with all my training i think i mite need to take something to help get more out of my workout,recovery ect but my main concern is i dont want to put on weight.
should i be taking supplements?if so witch ones & why?

[Max Power]

The most useful one I have found is L-Glutamine.

Basically just a protein that aides your recovery allowing you to train hard day after day.
I've used creatine also but did not notice any difference.

Having said that, the better your diet is the less you require the use of supplements.
These days I'd only use Glutamine if I've had an extended period out of the gym, or bad diet - Over chritmas, new years etc.

[gilly]

thanks.someone else has metioned glutamine mite be the goer.i have also heard mix thing about creatine..good for burst of energy but not so good for endurance,stamina?

[Dr Gonzo]

for pre workout i take NO-Explode by BSN... gives you so much energy and focus it aint even funny... alot of people reckon its crap but i have only ever had fantastic results from it

another one i recommend is low carb casein protein... you take it before bed and it slowly releases protein to your muscles over a long period of time (6-8 hours they reckon) since i have taken it i am not as sore the next day and get better sleep even!

[Sox]

I am of the opinion that all supplements are a waste of money if you are eating right.

That is, plenty of meat, fish, chicken, eggs, vegetables and fruit.

If you keep the bulk of your diet as above, and stay away from processed rubbish, your body will be getting as much goodness as it can absorb.

[Contendo]

im looking for answers if i should take any supplements & if so witch ones are best for me..i train hard six days a weeks sometimes twice a day.i eat pretty good & stay of the piss leading upto fights but with all my training i think i mite need to take something to help get more out of my workout,recovery ect but my main concern is i dont want to put on weight.
should i be taking supplements?if so witch ones & why?


Suggest speaking to a nutrionist or someone like Ray Kelly who's advice would be invaluable to controlling weight, yet sustaining power and performance I would think?

[Contendo]

I am of the opinion that all supplements are a waste of money if you are eating right.

That is, plenty of meat, fish, chicken, eggs, vegetables and fruit.

If you keep the bulk of your diet as above, and stay away from processed rubbish, your body will be getting as much goodness as it can absorb.


There's big merit here in these words. :deal

(Pity I don't strictly adhere myself!) :lol:

[zelky]

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Great for recovery. Before and after workouts. I drink it as a nightcap also. Puts me to sleep like a bullet.

[andriy]

yep im doing pretty well keeping natural too. only really use a supplement if you are finding deficiency in a certain area. the only real artificial thing i use is sports drink. appropriate hydration is such a big key.

[ranser]

I am desperately trying to PUT ON weight, I took protein shakes for a couple of weeks, but it did fuck all.. I just can't seem to put on any weight no matter what I do.

[andriy]

I am desperately trying to PUT ON weight, I took protein shakes for a couple of weeks, but it did fuck all.. I just can't seem to put on any weight no matter what I do.

need to slow your metabolism somehow?

[ranser]

need to slow your metabolism somehow?


Yea , thats exactly what I was thinking.
My metabolism works too hard I think..
How the hell can u slow it down>>

Is it also possible for every single person in the world to put on weight, or can we be genetically born not to put it on?

[andriy]

its genetic. its part of your body structure. its even part of your personality!

look at ways to speed up your metabolism. try the opposite.

[gilly]

I am of the opinion that all supplements are a waste of money if you are eating right.

That is, plenty of meat, fish, chicken, eggs, vegetables and fruit.

If you keep the bulk of your diet as above, and stay away from processed rubbish, your body will be getting as much goodness as it can absorb.
yes but no matter how good we eat surly some supplement would be beneficial cos i train like a machine not a human :lol:
do all world ranked fighters take supplements?

[andriy]

the personality thing is a big key. a lot of amounts of weight and metabolism come down to lifestyle factors. stress, anxiety and nerve actually burn body fat. people who are active, argumentative, outdoor personality types who are constanty searching for new & exciting experiences are almost always thin & have low body fat percentage.

[ranser]

the personality thing is a big key. a lot of amounts of weight and metabolism come down to lifestyle factors. stress, anxiety and nerve actually burn body fat. people who are active, argumentative, outdoor personality types who are constanty searching for new & exciting experiences are almost always thin & have low body fat percentage.


fck u make some excellent points in there...Particularly your first 2 lines.
Are you a fitness trainer?

[Max Power]

Yea , thats exactly what I was thinking.
My metabolism works too hard I think..
How the hell can u slow it down>>

Is it also possible for every single person in the world to put on weight, or can we be genetically born not to put it on?

Well going by the fact that they say having 6-8 small meals a day speeds your metabolism up, due to the fact your energy stores are constantly being replenished, then perhaps 1-2 BIG meals per day may aide in slowing it down?

Reason being, your body does not know when it's next meal is coming, so it will therefore have to conserve energy.

Pure speculation though

[andriy]

fck u make some excellent points in there...Particularly your first 2 lines.
Are you a fitness trainer?

ive done quite a lot of studies into personality and psychology. as ive also played rugby league & boxed, ive been able to relate how those factors influence sports, performance & body types.

you'll find that similar personality types display similar physical attributes. nurses and paramadeics are prone to being fat arsed. their bias is towards helping & supporting people.. similar to your home soccer mum who just looks after kids and family etc who are also generally fat assed & big breasted.

back to the original point, any stress anxiety etc will definitely influence your metabolism. try changing lifestyle to one of more comfort & relaxation. get into your body (out of your head - stress & anxiet builds there). comfort activities & comfort foods. slow metabolism.
i dont know you, but this can be pretty accurate if you're the type of person displaying characteristics of not being able to put on weight.

[LeonMcS]

I find beer helps me put on weight.

PM me for some other top tips.

[Contendo]

I find beer helps me put on weight.

PM me for some other top tips.


:lol::lol::lol:

[Sox]

yes but no matter how good we eat surly some supplement would be beneficial cos i train like a machine not a human :lol:

Not in my opinion.
Supplements are rubbish and good diet has everything you need.

I think you'll find most who claim supplements are good are either just plainly misinformed, or they have an agenda.

The thing to consider is that no one ever tells you the bad shit that's in supplements.
Good food has no bad shit, only good shit.

do all world ranked fighters take supplements?
I'm sure plenty do, though that doesn't make them right or that they would need them if they ate right.

There's a lot of truth to the phrase, 'You are what you eat'.

[wangman]

I am desperately trying to PUT ON weight, I took protein shakes for a couple of weeks, but it did fuck all.. I just can't seem to put on any weight no matter what I do.

Without knowing your diet or training schedule, no one can really give you good advice. If you literally just want to gain WEIGHT eat shit food add creatine to your diet and literally within a week you should gain some weight.

If you want to gain MUSCLE then stick to a clean diet, keep on with the protein shakes (what are you using WPI or WPC when are you using them?) Some of those protein powders are shit, full of sugars and carbs you really dont need and less actual protein. Add more REAL protein and good fats to your diet like eggs, milk, red meats, tuna, chicken.

Personally i think alot of these supplements you can get are a load of shit, if you think you need to gain weight, its pretty simple EAT more.

Im sure a nutritionist could give you alot more detailed advice on your diet though.

[ranser]

Without knowing your diet or training schedule, no one can really give you good advice. If you literally just want to gain WEIGHT eat shit food add creatine to your diet and literally within a week you should gain some weight.

If you want to gain MUSCLE then stick to a clean diet, keep on with the protein shakes (what are you using WPI or WPC when are you using them?) Some of those protein powders are shit, full of sugars and carbs you really dont need and less actual protein. Add more REAL protein and good fats to your diet like eggs, milk, red meats, tuna, chicken.

Personally i think alot of these supplements you can get are a load of shit, if you think you need to gain weight, its pretty simple EAT more.

Im sure a nutritionist could give you alot more detailed advice on your diet though.


I actually took Whey 3 times a day for a couple of weeks.
Didn't do much at all.
Even when I eat a lot, my body digests it and turns it into waste.
I think the problem is my quick metabolism.

[Dr Gonzo]

interesting to see alot of people bagging suppliments... i have tried just about every creatine, nitric oxide booster, weight gainer, test booster etc etc

alot are rubbish, but some are legit

if you are looking at getting good protein powder that is low carb and great value you cant go past Optimum Whey Gold Standard. Best suppliment on the market, if you only get one thing then make sure it is that one :)
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[kflex101]

Ranser and Gilly, I can probably help you out here, as I own two supplement companies in Australia, with my job, amongst other things being responsible for formulation and development of all our products.

My education is in Science and I've been doing this kind of thing for about 5 years, obviously being on here I'm a boxing fan from way back. I have a personal interest here too as I was a typical ectomorph (skinny guy), however with a strict eating and training plan, managed to put on 24kg of weight over 5 years, with the large majority being muscle.

This is not easy but if you stick to a plan then results will come.

As some of the other fella's have said, good nutrition whether your goals are putting on muscle or cutting up for a competition starts with a good meal plan based around whole foods.
Supplements should merely be used to "supplement" the diet, with that being said, proteion powders do fit the catergory of a food rather than a supp in many ways as Nutritionally speaking, they contain fats, carbs and protein with naturally occuring vitamins and minerals very much there.

If you can start by posting up your diet, (give as much info as possible) as well as the amount of exercise you are doing, your current weight as well as your target weight then I'll do my best to give some advice.

We may have to look at your weight training too, if you are doing a typical 'beach" style 3 x 8 sets, straight outta the magazine kind of training protocal we can likely improve on that a lot.

If it does come to supps, I can highly recommend our brands as one of which is the most econmoical in Australia, with the other being Australia's purest range of supplements.

Gilly, your problems could be related to meal timing, types of food you eat or simply the amount of calories you are taking in.
Can you also itemise your meal and training in this thread? There are certainly some very effective products which assist recovery, without adding superfulous nutrients (particularly carbohydrates) but best look at your diet first.

[TCboxa]

ATX is a good supplment, a cheap alternative to Body Quicken and its also good to cycle as your body gets used to the same supplement over & over again with diminishing returns.

ATX is a pre-workout formula designed for boxers. I purchased it from title but im not sure they stock it anymore, highly recommended or if you can get Body Quicken its even better.

[kflex101]

interesting to see alot of people bagging suppliments... i have tried just about every creatine, nitric oxide booster, weight gainer, test booster etc etc

alot are rubbish, but some are legit

if you are looking at getting good protein powder that is low carb and great value you cant go past Optimum Whey Gold Standard. Best suppliment on the market, if you only get one thing then make sure it is that one :)
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We can provide you a protein powder which is higher in protein than this, containing less artificial sweetener, absolutely no fillers (which the On product contains a lot of) at a price around 30% less.
The On product is definitely not the best on the market, nor near it. Due to being on the market for many many years it has a good reputation and a strong client base which is why it commands a high price.

[wangman]

Kflex101, may i ask what your supplement companies are?

[kflex101]

Our companies are Bioflex Nutrition [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and Bulk Nutrients [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Initially I started Bioflex, with that company we manufacture supplements for the retail market where people want flashy packaging and the rest, and whom buy through shops and gyms. This range is what we promote as Australia's purest supplements and is available (albeit somewhat limited) in every Aus state and Territory.

As we progressed with Bioflex, we went from being web based to manufacturers/distributours our prices had to go up which is why I created Bulk Nutrients. BulkN is extremely popular, for those who want raw amino acids, extracts, proteins, fat burners etc. As we keep things basic in that part of the business our products are really economical. We have a massive following throughout Australia in the bodybuilding market.

The thing that makes us very unique is that we formulate, manufacture and pack all of our range, unlike almost every other company who uses contractors to do it. This gives us a massive advantage as we can assure customers are getting exactly what they see on the label. This is also the reason why Powerlifting Australia accepted us as their official supplement sponsor, when they had previously distanced themselves from the supp industry.

[wangman]

Haha! Im actually one of your customers, thought it may have been you after you said you owned 2 companies (im also a member on the SM forums). I can vouch for the bulk nutrients products, im using them now, they are much cheaper then the US and other Aussie companies.

[bushboy]

From my experiences with training I can offer..

You need a good diet before you can do anything, your body will not respond well to heavy excercise if your not putting the right fuel in the tank.

Plenty of eggs,chicken breast, wholemeal bread and pasta, fish (if its available), and at least 5 serves of vegies a day, a bit of red meat to keep the iron levels up helps as well.
What I found with my training was I was taking a fair while to recover from a boxing workout (this might just be my body, not sure how u recover) so I got my hands on some nice basic whey protein concentrate and had a protein shake as soon as I finished training, this gave me 20 or 30 grams of protein which was absorbed to my muscles quickly and fixed all my recovery issues.

The main thing with supps is to avoid all the bullshit marketing they throw at you, assess a product on its merits and see if you actually NEED it, if you dont need it, dont take it.

A lot of pre-workout mixes are just very heavily loaded with glucose and caffeine, if you need these to boost you pre-workout you can purchase both quite cheaply from woolies or coles (glucodin and no-doz) instead of buying it under the name POWERBOOST 4000 from a health food shop and paying $4 a serve.

Dont buy protein mixes that profess to be "slow release" this is where the healthy diet component comes in, these foods release slowly into your system by digestion, the point of a protein shake is to give you protein which can be absorbed quickly.

Keep it simple

[kflex101]

Haha! Im actually one of your customers, thought it may have been you after you said you owned 2 companies (im also a member on the SM forums). I can vouch for the bulk nutrients products, im using them now, they are much cheaper then the US and other Aussie companies.


Hahaha, that is cool! I knew there was a few guys on there who were into boxing, nice to see you are a Katsidis fan too. We'll have to start a few threads over there about boxing.
Do you get to many fights?
Based where I am it's a bit tricky for us, but I made it up to Mundine vs Geale in QLd some time back. Should be headfing over to Perth for Green vs Siaca as m timing that one with a business trip.

Cheers for the props on Bulk Nutrients too.

[kflex101]

From my experiences with training I can offer..

You need a good diet before you can do anything, your body will not respond well to heavy excercise if your not putting the right fuel in the tank.

Plenty of eggs,chicken breast, wholemeal bread and pasta, fish (if its available), and at least 5 serves of vegies a day, a bit of red meat to keep the iron levels up helps as well.
What I found with my training was I was taking a fair while to recover from a boxing workout (this might just be my body, not sure how u recover) so I got my hands on some nice basic whey protein concentrate and had a protein shake as soon as I finished training, this gave me 20 or 30 grams of protein which was absorbed to my muscles quickly and fixed all my recovery issues.

The main thing with supps is to avoid all the bullshit marketing they throw at you, assess a product on its merits and see if you actually NEED it, if you dont need it, dont take it.

A lot of pre-workout mixes are just very heavily loaded with glucose and caffeine, if you need these to boost you pre-workout you can purchase both quite cheaply from woolies or coles (glucodin and no-doz) instead of buying it under the name POWERBOOST 4000 from a health food shop and paying $4 a serve.

Dont buy protein mixes that profess to be "slow release" this is where the healthy diet component comes in, these foods release slowly into your system by digestion, the point of a protein shake is to give you protein which can be absorbed quickly.

Keep it simple

Great info Bushboy, you sound like one of our customers too, lol. Sifting through the crap, finding good, simple products that work and forgetting about all the bullshit gimmicks. Pre workout supps are an unfortunate example of that, lots of caffeine, lots of carbs but they charge massive premiums.

Out of interest, how did you develop that kind of thinking? Definitely not from reading muscle magazines, that's for sure!

[LeonMcS]

Sure hes not one of your salesguys?

[Sox]

Sure hes not one of your salesguys?
:deal That's what I thought.
And people can now see what I mean about agendas.

[kflex101]

Sure hes not one of your salesguys?

No, but you are supposed to be.
Don't tell me you have forgotten the damn script again....

[kflex101]

:deal That's what I thought.
And people can now see what I mean about agendas.

Mate, check out how long I have been a member. Well over 5 years, you think I have been hanging around all the time waiting for an opportunity to make a sale?
I am a boxing fan first and foremost which is why I have never once brought up my business over here. In this situation, particularly when people are offering more expensive alternatives and I obviously have a bit of experience in the industry, it makes sense that I offer some advice.

From my posts it should be obvious too that I am all about getting diet and training right before using anything that may well be unnecessary.

[ranser]

Mate, check out how long I have been a member. Well over 5 years, you think I have been hanging around all the time waiting for an opportunity to make a sale?
I am a boxing fan first and foremost which is why I have never once brought up my business over here. In this situation, particularly when people are offering more expensive alternatives and I obviously have a bit of experience in the industry, it makes sense that I offer some advice.

From my posts it should be obvious too that I am all about getting diet and training right before using anything that may well be unnecessary.

give the guy a break..
he's just trying to make a living..:D

[LeonMcS]

I..use...and...inject...um...eat...Kflexs...supple...super...supper...products...all...the...time... and...he...reckons...er...I...reckon...they're...really...good...and...his...endorsement...cheque... did...not...sway...his...my...personal...opinion...at...all.

[Sox]

Mate, check out how long I have been a member. Well over 5 years, you think I have been hanging around all the time waiting for an opportunity to make a sale?
I am a boxing fan first and foremost which is why I have never once brought up my business over here. In this situation, particularly when people are offering more expensive alternatives and I obviously have a bit of experience in the industry, it makes sense that I offer some advice.

From my posts it should be obvious too that I am all about getting diet and training right before using anything that may well be unnecessary.
They are always unnecessary if you follow a good diet, which should be first and foremost to anyone serious about their preferred sport.
Ask any nutritionist, trainer, coach, etc, who doesn't have shares in a supplement company and you'll get the truth.

[Sox]

I..use...and...inject...um...eat...Kflexs...supple...super...supper...products...all...the...time... and...he...reckons...er...I...reckon...they're...really...good...and...his...endorsement...cheque... did...not...sway...his...my...personal...opinion...at...all.
:lol::lol:

[wangman]

I love how you boys take the piss on this site. Im not biting.

[ashley]

I love how you boys take the piss on this site. Im not biting.


Talking about piss....I wonder if anybody can help with this one????

its widely known that when you have more than a few drinks you will put on weight.

However I drink low carb beer and a few wines....and have in general a low carb eating plan....when I drink a few (say 10 beers) if I eat well I don't put on any weight.

If I eat crap or carbie food and drink I put on weight.

When I drink I also have about the same amount in water as well.

Is it possible my water intake is not enough and in fact I have put on weight and lost water but don't notice it on the scales?

[Sox]

Talking about piss....I wonder if anybody can help with this one????

its widely known that when you have more than a few drinks you will put on weight.

Well, not really.
The only time we put on weight is if we consume more than we expend.
It matters not what that 'consumption' is.

However I drink low carb beer and a few wines....and have in general a low carb eating plan....when I drink a few (say 10 beers) if I eat well I don't put on any weight.

If I eat crap or carbie food and drink I put on weight.

When I drink I also have about the same amount in water as well.

Is it possible my water intake is not enough and in fact I have put on weight and lost water but don't notice it on the scales?
When you're eating crap food, you caloric intake is greater than what you're expending.
Piece of piss. :hey

[wangman]

Sox is right, Its about your diet having a calorie deficit. If you have a low carb diet its less energy to burn. If you eat shit food high in carbs and calories its more energy to burn off, and if you do not burn it off, it is stored as fat. That is why you see many low carb diets these days, less energy you need to burn, but the thing is unless your keen on staying on a low carb diet your whole life, your body will rebound and youll gain all the weight, if not more so back.

[ashley]

Well, not really.
The only time we put on weight is if we consume more than we expend.
It matters not what that 'consumption' is.

When you're eating crap food, you caloric intake is greater than what you're expending.
Piece of piss. :hey

Some say that the booze is pure energy and will always be used first before our fat stores

I weigh 112 kgs ATM so I need to eat a bit to break even.....I do get regular exercise......typing 6 or 7 hours a day gets me pumped....oh as I don't have a colostomy bag I do get up to go to the can a few times a day as well

I don't know how much calories are in beer is but downing 10 cant be considered normal intake if I eat 4 times a day as well

I don't calorie count I use the glycaemic index and count carbs

The times in my life when I didn't do the low card plan I blow out to 125kgs within a few months

Sure I should do some exercise but drinking by the pool aint as easy as it sounds

So is my water balance tricking me into thinking low carb drinking wont put on weight?

Oh and to keep on topic...do I need any supplements to balance my booze intake

[Sydney Smutt]

The only supliment I can think of is AA

[bushboy]

Sure hes not one of your salesguys?

I think Woolworths got the best sales plug in my little rant leon, if you know any advertising crew from woolies tell the bastards to send me some hot-cross buns or something as a thankyou

[bushboy]

Great info Bushboy, you sound like one of our customers too, lol. Sifting through the crap, finding good, simple products that work and forgetting about all the bullshit gimmicks. Pre workout supps are an unfortunate example of that, lots of caffeine, lots of carbs but they charge massive premiums.

Out of interest, how did you develop that kind of thinking? Definitely not from reading muscle magazines, that's for sure!

I was brought up on a farm eating lamb chops and vegies mate, moved into town when i went to boarding school, hit the fish and chip shop with a vengeance and went back home looking like a ghost, figured pretty easily that good nutrition isnt rocket science.

I think in general people go for glossy ads the same way mozzies go for bug zappers. A lot of people want to take a magic potion which makes them star athletes overnight with bugger all training, alot of these supps all but claim to be that.

[ashley]

Sox is right, Its about your diet having a calorie deficit. If you have a low carb diet its less energy to burn. If you eat shit food high in carbs and calories its more energy to burn off, and if you do not burn it off, it is stored as fat. That is why you see many low carb diets these days, less energy you need to burn, but the thing is unless your keen on staying on a low carb diet your whole life, your body will rebound and youll gain all the weight, if not more so back.



But that's my point....I don't work on Calories mate.....here is my day to day feed

6am........Fruit and yogurt 300grms
8am........4 whole eggs 1 slice of spelt wheat and huge dob of butter
12pm......steak or chicken 400 to 500gms lots of veg's, olive oil and cream with mushy sauce
6pm......large serving of fish and veg throw in some melted cheese on the veg's...cream and sweet chilli sauce on fish


Provided I don't eat starchy veg I will drop 3 kgs on this eating plan with no exercise each week

I do agree about the blow out if you stop....like I said 13kgs in 2 months

But to maintain weight of my 28 meals a week...if I do the above all of the time save 5 cheats each week I can break even.....3 or 4 on the booze and 1 or 2 on the munchies

[andriy]

everybody (body) is different.

[ashley]

Agree with this Andriy......for me this works....anybody else do the low carb shuffle :hey

If I got back into training on this plan I would be back to 97kgs lean in 3 or 4 weeks....but its a big "IF'

[andriy]

ive dropped 78 to 71kg within about 3 weeks

[ashley]

ive dropped 78 to 71kg within about 3 weeks

How did you do it?

[LeonMcS]

I weigh 112 kgs ATM...

Jaysus, you and Kagsy should join the WWE as a tag team.

[20a87]

im looking for answers if i should take any supplements & if so witch ones are best for me..i train hard six days a weeks sometimes twice a day.i eat pretty good & stay of the piss leading upto fights but with all my training i think i mite need to take something to help get more out of my workout,recovery ect but my main concern is i dont want to put on weight.
should i be taking supplements?if so witch ones & why?

Hi, the best advice has been mentioned which is eat fresh and clean foods where available as diet is most important. On top of this I notice you train twice a day sometimes possibly 6 times a week if you are not taking them already you should be taking a good multivitamin, a cod liver oil supplement and glucosamine purely because as a boxer there is a shit load of high impact training be it roadwork or heavy bag etc

As far as other supplements go I have made weight fine incorporating whey protein shakes in my diet and done the same without them and I have also used glutamine aswell which is good. The best thing about the shakes was the convenience but I wouldn't say they were essential if you makin sure you eat right e.g. lean fish etc for protein.

As for other supplements I would steer clear of creatine if you struggle to make weight although I have found it very good for recovery It stores water in your muscles and thus more weight, it can be used without weight gain but I would ask your coach and not a forum about creatine use.

And check out apple cider vinegar for recovery, I have recently started taking that and its the shit post workout but make sure you get the tablets and not the liquid as its rough as fuck.

Finally i'd steer clear of all that shit with artificial sweeteners like "electrolyte drinks" as they contain all sorts of crap you are better off with water.

Good luck with any fights etc


At the guy who owns supplement companies

What is your take on aspartame? I avoid it like the plague but recently I have heard its not as bad as its made out to be.

[Marcus]

Jaysus, you and Kagsy should join the WWE as a tag team.


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[ashley]

Ok I will pay that :good






























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[Marcus]

when against vazquez...... after i tipped... i looked at everyones and im the only one who did :patsch

[LeonMcS]

Nah Marcus, we need uglier.

[Marcus]

Nah Marcus, we need uglier.


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[ashley]

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[gilly]

Ranser and Gilly, I can probably help you out here, as I own two supplement companies in Australia, with my job, amongst other things being responsible for formulation and development of all our products.

My education is in Science and I've been doing this kind of thing for about 5 years, obviously being on here I'm a boxing fan from way back. I have a personal interest here too as I was a typical ectomorph (skinny guy), however with a strict eating and training plan, managed to put on 24kg of weight over 5 years, with the large majority being muscle.

This is not easy but if you stick to a plan then results will come.

As some of the other fella's have said, good nutrition whether your goals are putting on muscle or cutting up for a competition starts with a good meal plan based around whole foods.
Supplements should merely be used to "supplement" the diet, with that being said, proteion powders do fit the catergory of a food rather than a supp in many ways as Nutritionally speaking, they contain fats, carbs and protein with naturally occuring vitamins and minerals very much there.

If you can start by posting up your diet, (give as much info as possible) as well as the amount of exercise you are doing, your current weight as well as your target weight then I'll do my best to give some advice.

We may have to look at your weight training too, if you are doing a typical 'beach" style 3 x 8 sets, straight outta the magazine kind of training protocal we can likely improve on that a lot.

If it does come to supps, I can highly recommend our brands as one of which is the most econmoical in Australia, with the other being Australia's purest range of supplements.

Gilly, your problems could be related to meal timing, types of food you eat or simply the amount of calories you are taking in.
Can you also itemise your meal and training in this thread? There are certainly some very effective products which assist recovery, without adding superfulous nutrients (particularly carbohydrates) but best look at your diet first.

hey mate thanks for taking the time out to help.
DIET
9am-2 weet-bix full cream milk tea spoon suger
10am-yogurt or a peace of friut
1pm-sandwich on wholemeal bread ham lettus cheese avocado
2pm-banana or choclate bar
8pm-steak or chicken & veg 4x a week stir fry or pasta the other nights

I drink a good 2 liters of water a day also a class of juice & cordial.i dont drink tea or coffee but i drink thos damn energy drinks about 3 a week.

EXERCISE
its a hard one cos its all over the place
7am-3 x a week road runs with hill sprints total of 45mins
MONDAY-5pm basic boxing training.skipping,shadow boxing,exercises,1kg hand weights shit load of different reps,bag work,pad work.
TUESDAY-3pm boxing skills & drills
WEDNESDAY-same as monday
THURSDAY-4pm boxing skills & drills, sparring
FRIDAY-same as monday & wednesday
SATURDAY-bootcamp 7am sparring 4pm
SUNDAY-6pm road work

WALK AROUND WEIGHT WHEN TRAINING 64KG
FIGHTING WEIGHT 61.23KG
I find it hard to eat from about 3pm onwards because i am at the gym training people then training myself till 7pm.
I was thinking of having smoothies to help with a better diet.what would be best to put in them?

[ashley]

I dont think your eating enough mate with all that training

[ranser]

hey mate thanks for taking the time out to help.
DIET
9am-2 weet-bix full cream milk tea spoon suger
10am-yogurt or a peace of friut
1pm-sandwich on wholemeal bread ham lettus cheese avocado
2pm-banana or choclate bar
8pm-steak or chicken & veg 4x a week stir fry or pasta the other nights

I drink a good 2 liters of water a day also a class of juice & cordial.i dont drink tea or coffee but i drink thos damn energy drinks about 3 a week.

EXERCISE
its a hard one cos its all over the place
7am-3 x a week road runs with hill sprints total of 45mins
MONDAY-5pm basic boxing training.skipping,shadow boxing,exercises,1kg hand weights shit load of different reps,bag work,pad work.
TUESDAY-3pm boxing skills & drills
WEDNESDAY-same as monday
THURSDAY-4pm boxing skills & drills, sparring
FRIDAY-same as monday & wednesday
SATURDAY-bootcamp 7am sparring 4pm
SUNDAY-6pm road work

WALK AROUND WEIGHT WHEN TRAINING 64KG
FIGHTING WEIGHT 61.23KG
I find it hard to eat from about 3pm onwards because i am at the gym training people then training myself till 7pm.
I was thinking of having smoothies to help with a better diet.what would be best to put in them?


what city u from?

[gilly]

brisbane.whys that?

[ashley]

everybody (body) is different.

Hey Andriy...did you say the "body different" thing because of the fat content of the cream, butter, oil......on all of my meals?

[Sox]

This is what I would do.

hey mate thanks for taking the time out to help.
DIET
9am-2 weet-bix full cream milk tea spoon suger
Piss this rubbish off, and have a smoothy with a cup of milk, 2 scoops of ice cream (optional, maybe 1 or 1/2 is enough just for taste) and the kicker..... 3-4 raw eggs.
Eggs are awsome, some of the bigger athletes eat a dozen a day!

10am-yogurt or a peace of friut
Good.

1pm-sandwich on wholemeal bread ham lettus cheese avocado
Good, could even improve with a bit more salad, such as tomato, cucumber, etc.

2pm-banana or choclate bar
Lose the chocolate bar. Fruit is good.

8pm-steak or chicken & veg 4x a week stir fry or pasta the other nights
That's good, throw fish in the mix too.
Don't cook the shit out of the vegies either.

I drink a good 2 liters of water a day also a class of juice & cordial.
Lose the cordial and even the juice. Juice isn't what it's cracked up to be, far too concentrated and doesn't have all the goodness of the real thing anyway. Replace it with the proper fruit.
Water is good.

i dont drink tea or coffee but i drink thos damn energy drinks about 3 a week.
Lose the energy drinks. Tea is ok, coffee is bad. Water is best.

EXERCISE
its a hard one cos its all over the place
7am-3 x a week road runs with hill sprints total of 45mins
MONDAY-5pm basic boxing training.skipping,shadow boxing,exercises,1kg hand weights shit load of different reps,bag work,pad work.
TUESDAY-3pm boxing skills & drills
WEDNESDAY-same as monday
THURSDAY-4pm boxing skills & drills, sparring
FRIDAY-same as monday & wednesday
SATURDAY-bootcamp 7am sparring 4pm
SUNDAY-6pm road work
I'm not as experienced as some in this area, but an important thing to remember is rest. 7 days may be too much, give your self a rest day.


WALK AROUND WEIGHT WHEN TRAINING 64KG
FIGHTING WEIGHT 61.23KG
I find it hard to eat from about 3pm onwards because i am at the gym training people then training myself till 7pm.
I was thinking of having smoothies to help with a better diet.what would be best to put in them?

See above.
I have a smoothie like I mentioned above every morning, that's my breakfast.

Forget the supplements, they are all shit.

[20a87]

This is what I would do.



See above.
I have a smoothie like I mentioned above every morning, that's my breakfast.

Forget the supplements, they are all shit.

Ice cream? (14 scoops a week???) He has a weight class and is an athlete, he's not a body builder. His day seven is roadwork, if its a steady state run that's fine active rest is good.

It's true diet is the most important but when you are training 2 or 3 times a day supplementation is beneficial cod liver oil, whey etc. The body needs the extra vitamins etc

Run things by your coach or by someone not on the internet.

[Dr Gonzo]

This is what I would do.



See above.
I have a smoothie like I mentioned above every morning, that's my breakfast.

Forget the supplements, they are all shit.

thats rubbish and you know it, that diet you guys are discussing has NOWHERE NEAR enough protein to be workout out 7 days a week...he should be at least taking a few whey protein shakes a day to get enough to keep him going. All the fruit and veges are good but where are his carbs and protein coming from? steak once a day? i reckon protein powder in the smoothie and also a shake post training to aid recovery

alot of suppliments are crap, but alot of them are awesome, and thats coming from someone who has studied medicine and understands their role in the body. It is simple science, to build muscle you need to provide it with protein which become amino acids. He simply will not be getting enough and will eventually over train and burn out

look at Pac at the moment. He hates any form of suppliment but Freddy Roach has him on 7000 calories a day and 5 shakes to give him enough fuel to go hard day in and day out (also to help him stay at 147)

[Sox]

Ice cream? (14 scoops a week???) He has a weight class and is an athlete, he's not a body builder.

I should have elaborated there. (I edited it)
I have 2 scoops because I'm not chasing ultimate leanness and I like it like a thick shake.
He wouldn't need the 2 scoops, either one, half, or none.

His day seven is roadwork, if its a steady state run that's fine active rest is good.I always like a good days rest, YMMV.

It's true diet is the most important but when you are training 2 or 3 times a day supplementation is beneficial cod liver oil, whey etc. The body needs the extra vitamins etc
Bullshit.
Supplements are never neccesary if your diet is up to scratch.
The body can get everything it needs, and then some, from good diet.

Run things by your coach or by someone not on the internet.I would agree with that in an ideal world, however even coach's and people not on the internet have agendas.

[Sox]

thats rubbish and you know it, that diet you guys are discussing has NOWHERE NEAR enough protein to be workout out 7 days a week...
That's why I added the eggs.

he should be at least taking a few whey protein shakes a day to get enough to keep him going. All the fruit and veges are good but where are his carbs and protein coming from? steak once a day? i reckon protein powder in the smoothie and also a shake post training to aid recovery
Why add protein powder to a smoothie when it has eggs? You're talking nonsense.

alot of suppliments are crap, but alot of them are awesome,
They're all crap.

and thats coming from someone who has studied medicine and understands their role in the body. It is simple science, to build muscle you need to provide it with protein which become amino acids. He simply will not be getting enough and will eventually over train and burn out
Crap.

look at Pac at the moment. He hates any form of suppliment but Freddy Roach has him on 7000 calories a day and 5 shakes to give him enough fuel to go hard day in and day out (also to help him stay at 147)
No one but the guys involved really know what these guys are on..... PED's anyone?
In any case, these supplements would only be mentioned because of $$, nothing more. There's a lot of money at stake here.

[Dr Gonzo]

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Initially I started Bioflex, with that company we manufacture supplements for the retail market where people want flashy packaging and the rest, and whom buy through shops and gyms. This range is what we promote as Australia's purest supplements and is available (albeit somewhat limited) in every Aus state and Territory.

As we progressed with Bioflex, we went from being web based to manufacturers/distributours our prices had to go up which is why I created Bulk Nutrients. BulkN is extremely popular, for those who want raw amino acids, extracts, proteins, fat burners etc. As we keep things basic in that part of the business our products are really economical. We have a massive following throughout Australia in the bodybuilding market.

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mate the bioflex site looks fucking great... im going to buy your mass gainer and pre workout energy suppliment biocharge. So freakin cheap man!

[20a87]

I should have elaborated there. (I edited it)
I have 2 scoops because I'm not chasing ultimate leanness and I like it like a thick shake.
He wouldn't need the 2 scoops, either one, half, or none.
I always like a good days rest, YMMV.
Bullshit.
Supplements are never neccesary if your diet is up to scratch.
The body can get everything it needs, and then some, from good diet.
I would agree with that in an ideal world, however even coach's and people not on the internet have agendas.

I don't really agree with any of this. The vitamin intake achievable through supplementation is vast and if you attempted to mimic it with food you would pay a significant price in calorie intake which again hampers weight. I strongly advocate diet as the be all and end all to the average health nut or gym goer there are nothing wrong with certain supplements even to them. Everyone has an agenda but someone like his coach knows him, his weight, body type etc and hopefully has a vested interest in his performances.

At Gilly or any other boxers:

I notice you do a lot of work prior to sparring, do you feel tired or sloppy in sparring because of it? I'm not sure whether Australia tends to operate its gyms like the US (open all day) or like the Uk (generally timetabled hours for ams)? I've boxed in gyms that make you spar fresh which I am a big fan of as all supplemental exercise on other days should be about improving actual ability/fitness in the ring and I've also boxed at gyms that put you through the mill before sparring which I hate.

[Sox]

I don't really agree with any of this.

Good for you, you're blinded by advertising and misinformation.
Everything a supplement company hopes for.

The vitamin intake achievable through supplementation is vast and if you attempted to mimic it with food you would pay a significant price in calorie intake which again hampers weight.
Utter nonsense.
Firstly the supposed vitamin intake of supplements is not all utilised by our body.
And secondly, the vitamins are only part of what comes from good food. Supplements can't begin to provide the nutrition and goodness which real food can.

I strongly advocate diet as the be all and end all to the average health nut or gym goer there are nothing wrong with certain supplements even to them.
And you know that how? You know the long term and even short term side effects of all the supplements available? Of course you don't.

Everyone has an agenda but someone like his coach knows him, his weight, body type etc and hopefully has a vested interest in his performances.

And even his coach has an agenda. Do you have any idea how big the supplement industry is? Who do you think they target?

As I said in a earlier post, the only people who will give you the truth are the ones in the game who are NOT involved with supplement companies.
The rest are just lining their pockets.

[Rodin]

Went for a burgwer at McDonalds. This fat sheila serves me.
10 minutes later I got my burger.

"Sorry for the wait" she says

I says "Stop eating this shit & it will come off in no time" :D



The day before, I came out of a pizza joint with the whole deal.
2 Supremes. 2 garlic breads. Pasta & 2 bottles of coke.

This poor old homeless bloke says to me. "I haven't eaten in 3 days"

I says "Shit mate,,,I wish I had your fucken will power":pop

[ashley]

Went for a burgwer at McDonalds. This fat sheila serves me.
10 minutes later I got my burger.

"Sorry for the wait" she says

I says "Stop eating this shit & it will come off in no time" :D



The day before, I came out of a pizza joint with the whole deal.
2 Supremes. 2 garlic breads. Pasta & 2 bottles of coke.

This poor old homeless bloke says to me. "I haven't eaten in 3 days"

I says "Shit mate,,,I wish I had your fucken will power":pop

:lol:...nasty...but :lol:

[20a87]

Good for you, you're blinded by advertising and misinformation.
Everything a supplement company hopes for.
Utter nonsense.
Firstly the supposed vitamin intake of supplements is not all utilised by our body.
And secondly, the vitamins are only part of what comes from good food. Supplements can't begin to provide the nutrition and goodness which real food can.

And you know that how? You know the long term and even short term side effects of all the supplements available? Of course you don't.


And even his coach has an agenda. Do you have any idea how big the supplement industry is? Who do you think they target?

As I said in a earlier post, the only people who will give you the truth are the ones in the game who are NOT involved with supplement companies.
The rest are just lining their pockets.

Are you a farmer or something? No-one is having a go at you, I think you are not giving unbiased advice though or advice tailored for his specific needs.

People who take vitamins etc have yellow piss because not everything is used, luckily no-one said they were. I doubt the average amateur boxing coach is out to do the bidding of supplement companies by being a pusher of vitamins. I would be more concerned with the long term effect of daily ice cream on my body than that of sensible supplements. And I doubt you could list all the chemicals and stuff from pesticides on your food.

The guy asked for supplementation advice and he's a boxer apple cider vinegar, cod liver oil, glucosamine, whey protein, glutamine and a multivitamin (non iron if u are a guy) are all highly beneficial to recovery and will enable him to train better. I am very aware of the short term effects of all of these and the long term effects thanks.

And there is nothing wrong with a cup of coffee :good

[Sox]

Are you a farmer or something?
No, I'm in the audio industry. Good try though. :cool:

No-one is having a go at you,I didn't say they were, but I am passionate about good health via correct diet without the use of unnatural supplements and there associated side effects.

I think you are not giving unbiased advice though or advice tailored for his specific needs.We'll agree to disagree.

People who take vitamins etc have yellow piss because not everything is used, luckily no-one said they were.So why bother then?

I doubt the average amateur boxing coach is out to do the bidding of supplement companies by being a pusher of vitamins.Wanna bet on that? Obviously they aren't pursued to the extremes the big pros are, but they are still targeted nonetheless.

I would be more concerned with the long term effect of daily ice cream on my body than that of sensible supplements.Fair comment, and I am concerned with it, but I'm weak.

And I doubt you could list all the chemicals and stuff from pesticides on your food.
Very true, however it's still vastly superior to the chemicals within supplements.

The guy asked for supplementation advice and he's a boxer apple cider vinegar, cod liver oil, glucosamine, whey protein, glutamine and a multivitamin (non iron if u are a guy) are all highly beneficial to recovery and will enable him to train better.
Again, we'll agree to disagree.

I am very aware of the short term effects of all of these and the long term effects thanks.I doubt that very much.

And there is nothing wrong with a cup of coffee That says it all. :patsch

[wangman]

Sox although i do agree with alot of what you're saying with supplements, why put a blanket over the whole industry. Id love you to backup your opinion with research, stating all supllements are shit. (im waiting for the response, "supplement companies pay all the researchers off")

[Sox]

Sox although i do agree with alot of what you're saying with supplements, why put a blanket over the whole industry. Id love you to backup your opinion with research, stating all supllements are shit. (im waiting for the response, "supplement companies pay all the researchers off")
Ok, I'll rephrase it.

Many (most?) supplements are shit, in my opinion.
All supplements are unnecesary if you eat right, in my opinion.

Better? :good

Oh, and you can put money on your statement in brackets having some truth to it.

[gilly]

cheers everyone for your input on the matter much appreciated :thumbsup

I will do some more reserch & take everyones advice into consideration to come up with a diet/supplement plan that i think is best for me.i will post what i come up with in a cupple days.

[bushboy]

seems to be a pretty polarising topic this one

[perfect jet]

When we were kids...Mum always gave us flat lemonade to replace loss fluids.

Anyone know if clinical trials proved it's worth??? :)

[andriy]

Ok, I'll rephrase it.

Many (most?) supplements are shit, in my opinion.
All supplements are unnecesary if you eat right, in my opinion.

Better? :good

Oh, and you can put money on your statement in brackets having some truth to it.

hope you're enjoying your perfect world. might as well just get rid of doctors hey & just eat right.

[Sox]

hope you're enjoying your perfect world. might as well just get rid of doctors hey & just eat right.
Hey long time no see peanut. :tong

Now, what kind of logic is that? What's a perfect world got to do with anything?
The OP asked if he should add supplements to his diet, he showed us his diet, and I recommended he didn't. What has that got to do with a perfect world? :huh

Eating right is actually not that hard, it's only because the public is so brainwashed into fast food / crap food that we don't see the good stuff right in front of us. The supplement companies have capitalised on that and have many different concoctions to 'supplement' these shit eating lifestyles.:twisted:

Go right ahead and keep eating shit food and pay for supplements, see if I give a fuck. It leaves more good food for me. :rasta

For the record I haven't been to see a doctor in several years. Neither has my wife.
We both eat very well, and rarely get ill, even the common cold we typically avoid whilst everyone around us is infected.
As I said earlier, you are what you eat.

[bushboy]

When we were kids...Mum always gave us flat lemonade to replace loss fluids.

Anyone know if clinical trials proved it's worth??? :)

Not to sure about the clinical trials mate but last time I had food poisoning It helped me out.

[20a87]

I'd recommend the documentary Food Inc to anyone interested in the state of food production today.

Also Sox there is loads of shit in ice cream and things like bread, pasta and pretty much all beige coloured foods are not necessary for a healthy diet. Corn is also added to pretty much everything but for no apparent reason.

[Sox]

Also Sox there is loads of shit in ice cream and things like bread, pasta and pretty much all beige coloured foods are not necessary for a healthy diet. Corn is also added to pretty much everything but for no apparent reason.
I eat maybe 3-4 slices of bread a week.
Pasta maybe once a fortnight.

We eat no processed foods, so we only get corn when we eat corn.
In any case, corn is good.

We actually follow a diet which is close to the paleolithic diet.

The ice cream is my only weakness, and I'm going to subsitute that with yoghurt when I feel strong. :think

[ashley]

I eat maybe 3-4 slices of bread a week.
Pasta maybe once a fortnight.

We eat no processed foods, so we only get corn when we eat corn.
In any case, corn is good.

We actually follow a diet which is close to the paleolithic diet.

The ice cream is my only weakness, and I'm going to subsitute that with yoghurt when I feel strong. :think

Yeah...sure mate....hell will freeze over and I will stop drinking beer before you give up ice cream :yep

[Sox]

Yeah...sure mate....hell will freeze over and I will stop drinking beer before you give up ice cream :yep
I don't know, not that long ago I was addicted to ice cream, went through more than 4 litres a week by myself! :yikes

Now I only have maybe 1/2 litre a week.

I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream............. :nut:nut:nut

[ashley]

I don't know, not that long ago I was addicted to ice cream, went through more than 4 litres a week by myself! :yikes

Now I only have maybe 1/2 litre a week.

I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream, I will stop eating ice cream............. :nut:nut:nut


1/2 ltr in a week in nothing......when I eat ice cream.....I pig out....once a month.... its 1ltr at a time...unless my wife or daughter catches me..then I gotta share :-(

[Sox]

1/2 ltr in a week in nothing......when I eat ice cream.....I pig out....once a month.... its 1ltr at a time...unless my wife or daughter catches me..then I gotta share :-(
:lol::lol:
Yep, once upon a time I could relate to that.

[20a87]

I eat maybe 3-4 slices of bread a week.
Pasta maybe once a fortnight.

We eat no processed foods, so we only get corn when we eat corn.
In any case, corn is good.

We actually follow a diet which is close to the paleolithic diet.

The ice cream is my only weakness, and I'm going to subsitute that with yoghurt when I feel strong. :think

Did you decide to go paleo or is it just a natural progression from wanting to eat healthy?

[Sox]

Did you decide to go paleo or is it just a natural progression from wanting to eat healthy?
About 3 years ago I stumbled on the paleo diet while web browsing (as you do), it caught my attention because it's pretty logical.
I followed it strctly for around 10 weeks and lost 6-7kg (from 71kg to 64kg) very easily. Prior to that we ate far too much shit food.

After the 10 weeks, we got jack of being so strict we started bringing in other foods and I put it all back on. Especially after I was back to the ice cream.

Now (for the last 2 years) we follow the rules of little to no processed food, but we still allow some other stuff which the paleo diet doesn't. Obviously we cook our food too, something which strict paleo's say no to.

Almost no JUNK food in our diet, and we both feel very good for it. As I mentioned earlier, DR visits are many years apart, rarely get the common cold, and generally feel very good all the time.

Fixed..... :lol::lol:

[ashley]

About 3 years ago I stumbled on the paleo diet while web browsing (as you do), it caught my attention because it's pretty logical.
I followed it strctly for around 10 weeks and lost 6-7kg (from 71kg to 64kg) very easily. Prior to that we ate far too much shit food.

After the 10 weeks, we got jack of being so strict we started bringing in other foods and I put it all back on. Especially after I was back to the ice cream.

Now (for the last 2 years) we follow the rules of little to no processed food, but we still allow some other stuff which the paleo diet doesn't. Obviously we cook our food too, something which strict paleo's say no to.

Almost no food in our diet, and we both feel very good for it. As I mentioned earlier, DR visits are many years apart, rarely get the common cold, and generally feel very good all the time.

:admin

[Sox]

:admin
Lost a lot of weight, look similar to the dude in your avatar. :hey

[20a87]

About 3 years ago I stumbled on the paleo diet while web browsing (as you do), it caught my attention because it's pretty logical.
I followed it strctly for around 10 weeks and lost 6-7kg (from 71kg to 64kg) very easily. Prior to that we ate far too much shit food.

After the 10 weeks, we got jack of being so strict we started bringing in other foods and I put it all back on. Especially after I was back to the ice cream.

Now (for the last 2 years) we follow the rules of little to no processed food, but we still allow some other stuff which the paleo diet doesn't. Obviously we cook our food too, something which strict paleo's say no to.

Almost no JUNK food in our diet, and we both feel very good for it. As I mentioned earlier, DR visits are many years apart, rarely get the common cold, and generally feel very good all the time.

Fixed..... :lol::lol:


Cooked or not it would be nice if more people followed the general principles. Obesity is a joke.

[LeonMcS]

Also Sox there is loads of shit in ice cream and things like bread, pasta and pretty much all beige coloured foods are not necessary for a healthy diet.

Yeah, and look out for those beige fighters, can be a lot of shit in them as well.

[20a87]

Yeah, and look out for those beige fighters, can be a lot of shit in them as well.

If that's a snide reference at "the man", you can't argue he didn't eat up his Green

[RedCornerPromotions]

I filmed this expert on this the other night. She works with Cricket Australia - Sydney Swans etc
Her main point was 2.34 gm per kilo body weight each day is optimum. Any more and all you are doing is crapping it out.

and inside 1 hour before training you must have 10 gms of quality protein ( meat, milk, diary etc) in your system. And then back that up within an hour after you train.

For a guy doing serious training daily diet was
2 eggs - 2 toast in morning - fruit
protein bar - shake for snack mid morning
Salad Sandwich with protien lunch - ham etc - 2 if training hard + 200 gm yoghurt
Same snack afternoon - fruit
Stir Fried meat - with Vegies for dinner

Talked alot about hydration and the need to drink electrolite type waters during training to encourage thirst and rehydrate.

PM me if you want a copy of the talk.

[zelky]

Gday Kornflakes (KFlex),

Great to see you kicked on big time mate. I'm going to order some protein powder from you guys instead of buying Musashi next time I stock up.

Cheers

[bushboy]

Gday Kornflakes (KFlex),

Great to see you kicked on big time mate. I'm going to order some protein powder from you guys instead of buying Musashi next time I stock up.

Cheers

I know that business is business but the mark up from companies like bsc and musashi is almost criminal I reckon

[kflex101]

Good to see you are still around Zelky too. I read this forum most days of the week, but rarely post here as it does seem to be a bit Mundine/Green focussed.
Reminds me of the old World of Boxing Days, long gone now, unfortunately even the Yuku board (old EZ) board really only just trundles along now.

Sox, you make some good points about diet and the fact the need for supplements is unnecessary for so many people, but the statements are a bit sweeping. For a start, many many professionals who have no connection with the industry do recommend certain supps, it just depends on how educated they are.
There is a masisve amount of bullshit on the market, which unfortunately some respond to by saying "everything is shit", which I don't think is fair. I'll give some examples.

Supplements can be very handy in situations when someone wants to increase aspects of their diet, while maintaining (but not increasing) others. Protein as an example is a good one, if someone is dieting (doing an atkins based diet) particularly if their sport involves the need to hold onto muscle food reduction generally means protein reduction.
In a case where someone wanted to have 250g of protein a day and only say 50g of carbs, getting that from food would be very difficult.

Supplements also offer very economical and convenient ways of getting nutrition into the body. If one wants protein at night before bed, a shake (consisting of say raw WPC) will be much more convenient and cheaper than getting this protein from meat.
Whey protein is a good example of a supp that is very close to whole food anyway, with a great blend of vitamins and minerals naturally occuring.

Compounds like Creatine, Beta Alanine, Citrulline Malate are all very well researched to assist with either strength or endurance, and levels of these just can't be attained from food. There are numerous studies out there on the benefits of them, and yes they are independent in nature, not conducted by supp companies.
They are very popular as people get real world results from them too, I would literally have hundreds of people who purchase these from me, and I am sure not all are having a placebo effect.

The same goes for compounds that can increase the metabolism, helping weight loss and other goods that assist hormone production and the skelatal system.

My advice is for everyone thinking of taking a certain supp, work on getting your diet spot on first, then implement any supp one at a time - so you can properly see it's results. Research it very will first, seeking from independent sources. When possible, it is best to stick to a single ingredient too, that way the chance of getting benefits consistent to those in any study are more likely.

[Sox]

Sox, you make some good points about diet and the fact the need for supplements is unnecessary for so many people, but the statements are a bit sweeping. For a start, many many professionals who have no connection with the industry do recommend certain supps, it just depends on how educated they are.
Or uneducated.

There is a masisve amount of bullshit on the market, which unfortunately some respond to by saying "everything is shit", which I don't think is fair.
I did offer a correction to that, by saying, 'Many (most) supplements are shit, in my opinion'.
I stand by that, and also by the following 'All supplements are unnecessary if you eat right, in my opinion'.

I'll give some examples.

Supplements can be very handy in situations when someone wants to increase aspects of their diet, while maintaining (but not increasing) others. Protein as an example is a good one, if someone is dieting (doing an atkins based diet)
Herein lies the first problem. Fad diets such as the one you just mentioned are crap.

particularly if their sport involves the need to hold onto muscle food reduction generally means protein reduction.
In a case where someone wanted to have 250g of protein a day and only say 50g of carbs, getting that from food would be very difficult.
Eggs, tuna, etc. As a bonus you get all the other goodness from those foods.
You can also bet your gonads the quality of protein in these foods is far superior to what's found in supplements.

Supplements also offer very economical and convenient ways of getting nutrition into the body.

Next big problem, economy.
We should never cut corners with our diet. Economy and convenience shouldn't come into it, especially for a professional athlete.
And you'd still be missing out on other goodness and nutrients that real food provides.

If one wants protein at night before bed, a shake (consisting of say raw WPC) will be much more convenient and cheaper than getting this protein from meat.

An egg shake is just as convenient, and probably no more expensive. And MUCH better for you. Even a couple tins of Tuna is not inconvenient or expensive.

Whey protein is a good example of a supp that is very close to whole food anyway, with a great blend of vitamins and minerals naturally occuring.

With all due respect, you would say that, but it's a long way from the truth.

Compounds like Creatine, Beta Alanine, Citrulline Malate are all very well researched to assist with either strength or endurance, and levels of these just can't be attained from food. There are numerous studies out there on the benefits of them, and yes they are independent in nature, not conducted by supp companies.

I doubt that very much.
Most reliable sources I've seen have pretty much showed that supplements are unnecessary if adhering to proper diet.
This isn't even considering the side effects of supplements.

They are very popular as people get real world results from them too, I would literally have hundreds of people who purchase these from me, and I am sure not all are having a placebo effect.
I don't doubt you, but you and I both know they aren't eating right.

The same goes for compounds that can increase the metabolism, helping weight loss and other goods that assist hormone production and the skelatal system.

Helping weight loss! You're not serious are you? This once again, just goes back to proper diet. All this may encourage is crap diet.
Magic pills are not the answer.

My advice is for everyone thinking of taking a certain supp, work on getting your diet spot on first, then implement any supp one at a time - so you can properly see it's results. Research it very will first, seeking from independent sources. When possible, it is best to stick to a single ingredient too, that way the chance of getting benefits consistent to those in any study are more likely.
We're gonna have to agree to disagree here, because healthy people who eat right will not benefit from any kind of supplement, no matter what state of athleticism they're at.
Only the people who won't eat right, the sick, and/or elederly can benefit from supplements. And then they should be seeking advice from their Doctor, not a supplement company.

[Sox]

Yeah...sure mate....hell will freeze over and I will stop drinking beer before you give up ice cream :yep
Well, I tried it, and it was :yuck
Back to ice cream. :hang
And you can keep :drink

I might try cream next. :think

[ozziebattler]

for pre workout i take NO-Explode by BSN... gives you so much energy and focus it aint even funny... alot of people reckon its crap but i have only ever had fantastic results from it

another one i recommend is low carb casein protein... you take it before bed and it slowly releases protein to your muscles over a long period of time (6-8 hours they reckon) since i have taken it i am not as sore the next day and get better sleep even!

NO EXPLODE is the truth...

I do 2 training sessions a day and will generally go for a morning workout only having had a banana or glass of juice so the NO EXPLODE kicks in real good.

It gets me pretty wired...Sometimes it has me wanting to irish jig my way across the gym floor.

[Dr Gonzo]

NO EXPLODE is the truth...

I do 2 training sessions a day and will generally go for a morning workout only having had a banana or glass of juice so the NO EXPLODE kicks in real good.

It gets me pretty wired...Sometimes it has me wanting to irish jig my way across the gym floor.

you think it is good, try Gaspari Superpump 250

holy flying fuck monkeys this stuff is insane :shock:

turns me purple, veins popping and chucking plenty of weight around :yep

[20a87]

NO EXPLODE is the truth...

I do 2 training sessions a day and will generally go for a morning workout only having had a banana or glass of juice so the NO EXPLODE kicks in real good.

It gets me pretty wired...Sometimes it has me wanting to irish jig my way across the gym floor.

Do you ever find that you become reliant on the stimulant effect to get you through a workout ? I know people who can't function near the same level without caffeine etc to arse themselves during a workout.

[Dr Gonzo]

Do you ever find that you become reliant on the stimulant effect to get you through a workout ? I know people who can't function near the same level without caffeine etc to arse themselves during a workout.

thats me :oops:

i have taken jack3d, NO-Xplode and now Gaspari SUperpump 250 before workouts for the last year... the year prior to that my gains were only half as good... with these pre workout summplements i was able to go from a 50kg bench for 6 reps to 100kg....

i tried working out without them the other day and fell flat, i felt like i had no energy and lacked motivation. I stopped mid workout to go play some PS3 which i would never normally do

im fucked without them, they work and im addicted :D

[bushboy]

Has anyone here ever used bicarb-soda before a workout?
I have before and noticed a big difference in my output during training, I think it acts as a sort of buffer in your blood stream for lactic acid so it also helps you recover far quicker after workouts, not being as sore for as long etc. It was actually recommended to me by my dad (old horse trainer) years ago, as he used to give his thoroughbreds a big dose of bicarb before a race and apparently their stamina would improve out of sight, its now banned for racehorses.

Ray Kelly, have you used bicarb with any of your athletes and if so have you had positive results?

[LeonMcS]

Only with the stewards.

Boom Boom!

[Ben K]

NO EXPLODE is the truth...

I do 2 training sessions a day and will generally go for a morning workout only having had a banana or glass of juice so the NO EXPLODE kicks in real good.

It gets me pretty wired...Sometimes it has me wanting to irish jig my way across the gym floor.

No Explode is really good, But NanoVapour is the new ducks nuts in Creatine preworkout drinks.
Ive started doing powerlifting again and found NanoVapour to be better and work much quicker than NoExplode.

[ozziebattler]

Do you ever find that you become reliant on the stimulant effect to get you through a workout ? I know people who can't function near the same level without caffeine etc to arse themselves during a workout.

Yeah mate i definetly feel the difference when not on the XPLODE.LOL..

But i find cranking my electro-house beats get me going just as hard..

Im fairly strong willed when it comes to training and at the moment im loving the change(doing kickboxing mma etc)..

[ozziebattler]

No Explode is really good, But NanoVapour is the new ducks nuts in Creatine preworkout drinks.
Ive started doing powerlifting again and found NanoVapour to be better and work much quicker than NoExplode.

Might have to check it out..The supplements game evolves so quick i cant keep up.Theres a new product better then the rest every year..

[lefty]

Has anyone here ever used bicarb-soda before a workout?
I have before and noticed a big difference in my output during training, I think it acts as a sort of buffer in your blood stream for lactic acid so it also helps you recover far quicker after workouts, not being as sore for as long etc. It was actually recommended to me by my dad (old horse trainer) years ago, as he used to give his thoroughbreds a big dose of bicarb before a race and apparently their stamina would improve out of sight, its now banned for racehorses.

Ray Kelly, have you used bicarb with any of your athletes and if so have you had positive results?

My uni lecturer was talking about exactly this the other day, he said some people don't get much of an effect from it while others do, he said some people vomit and get diarrhea as a side effect. Just out of curiosity, how did you take it and how much?

[RDJ]

I agree with everything Sox said in this thread.

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[20a87]

Yeah mate i definetly feel the difference when not on the XPLODE.LOL..

But i find cranking my electro-house beats get me going just as hard..

Im fairly strong willed when it comes to training and at the moment im loving the change(doing kickboxing mma etc)..

I think its important to build your work capacity without any such stimulants especially in the lead up to fighting etc otherwise you will come to rely on them as a crutch. Also confidence in conditioning is a great thing.

[ozziebattler]

I think its important to build your work capacity without any such stimulants especially in the lead up to fighting etc otherwise you will come to rely on them as a crutch. Also confidence in conditioning is a great thing.

Yeah mate i have fought a few times already...I am actually not taking any supplements at the moment as im trying to cut weight with a very strict diet..And the good old fashion way is working well.My old girl is a nutrictionist and isnt a big fan of the protein powder fad..

I am getting enough protein etc through my diet..

[bushboy]

My uni lecturer was talking about exactly this the other day, he said some people don't get much of an effect from it while others do, he said some people vomit and get diarrhea as a side effect. Just out of curiosity, how did you take it and how much?

I had two teaspoons in water about an hour before training mate, it was good because I used to go for a decent run (maybe 5km) then train for a solid hour and It gave me about another 30 mins of decent output.

The extra output definately gave me better fitness for the few weeks I was taking it but I ended up deciding that I wouldnt use it for day in/day out training because it made me sweat twice as much as normal and I felt dehydrated the next morning.

Would definately recommend it for someone who is right at the peak of their training and is looking to get a little bit more from their workout for a week or so

[Sox]

I agree with everything Sox said in this thread.

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Thanks for confirming my beliefs, and what an exellent thread, these guys should head on over. :good

You must be a nutritionist of sorts?

[ashley]

Thanks for confirming my beliefs, and what an exellent thread, these guys should head on over. :good

You must be a nutritionist of sorts?


Sox = :asskiss

[Sox]

Sox = :asskiss
Is that the self portrait of you and Mandy? :lol:

Serious though, have you read that thread?

[ashley]

Is that the self portrait of you and Mandy? :lol:

Serious though, have you read that thread?

No...I'm too busy trying to understand and spell what my wife is telling me in German on another thread

[20a87]

Yeah mate i have fought a few times already...I am actually not taking any supplements at the moment as im trying to cut weight with a very strict diet..And the good old fashion way is working well.My old girl is a nutrictionist and isnt a big fan of the protein powder fad..

I am getting enough protein etc through my diet..

how big is your cut?

[ozziebattler]

how big is your cut?

Well im sitting at 84kgs but getting pressured to cut down to 77kgs which is welterweight in MMA..Its all about getting my bod down to walking around at 80-81 pre fight comfortably..But having been 86 with next to no fat through my former pro footy days i havent a clue if 77 is out of reach or not..

I am kind of in a shit postion..If i could get down to welter i would be a big one for sure but im probably i smallish middleweight as most of them walk around at 90ish and cut to the 84..

Im 24 now so i got time on my side but shit its hard when you are working aswell.I have been teeing up some future sponsors after i HOPEFULLY get a few wins under my belt..

[Rodin]

Can I ask a question of you blokes?
I spent most of my early life at Sea. A rolling deck is not a good place to exercise.
The modern science of fitness has overtaken a lot of the old ways, however, the muscular system hasn't changed.
Fitness fanatics back then used to do a form of calisthenics.
It entailed re-active stress tests, such as pitting one limb against the other etc.
Such as, place one fist in the palm of the other hand, take a deep breath then push one against the other with every ounce of power you can muster, then count to 10.
You can do these exercises sitting in a chair (shoulders & torso). In a doorway, pushing with arms down or up. Legs, head, etc, wherever there is immovable resistance.
You use one part of you body to strengthen the other.
Most ordinary people would do 5 of these exercises & in a matter of a couple of minutes & be absolutely exhausted.
You can do them all day no matter where you are, & they will burn calories & tension muscle.

Do any of you do these exercises these days?

[bushboy]

Can I ask a question of you blokes?
I spent most of my early life at Sea. A rolling deck is not a good place to exercise.
The modern science of fitness has overtaken a lot of the old ways, however, the muscular system hasn't changed.
Fitness fanatics back then used to do a form of calisthenics.
It entailed re-active stress tests, such as pitting one limb against the other etc.
Such as, place one fist in the palm of the other hand, take a deep breath then push one against the other with every ounce of power you can muster, then count to 10.
You can do these exercises sitting in a chair (shoulders & torso). In a doorway, pushing with arms down or up. Legs, head, etc, wherever there is immovable resistance.
You use one part of you body to strengthen the other.
Most ordinary people would do 5 of these exercises & in a matter of a couple of minutes & be absolutely exhausted.
You can do them all day no matter where you are, & they will burn calories & tension muscle.

Do any of you do these exercises these days?

Havent done that, will look it up and give it a go..
I used to do something similar like holding a 1kg weight in my hand then fully extending my arm, after a few minutes that 1kg feels like 10

[teke]

Can I ask a question of you blokes?
I spent most of my early life at Sea. A rolling deck is not a good place to exercise.
The modern science of fitness has overtaken a lot of the old ways, however, the muscular system hasn't changed.
Fitness fanatics back then used to do a form of calisthenics.
It entailed re-active stress tests, such as pitting one limb against the other etc.
Such as, place one fist in the palm of the other hand, take a deep breath then push one against the other with every ounce of power you can muster, then count to 10.
You can do these exercises sitting in a chair (shoulders & torso). In a doorway, pushing with arms down or up. Legs, head, etc, wherever there is immovable resistance.
You use one part of you body to strengthen the other.
Most ordinary people would do 5 of these exercises & in a matter of a couple of minutes & be absolutely exhausted.
You can do them all day no matter where you are, & they will burn calories & tension muscle.

Do any of you do these exercises these days?What you do at sea mate?

[Rodin]

Merchant seaman Teke, Cargo, Bulkies, Tankers, right down to Prawn trawlers etc.

[Rodin]

Havent done that, will look it up and give it a go..
I used to do something similar like holding a 1kg weight in my hand then fully extending my arm, after a few minutes that 1kg feels like 10

There's no real study necessary Bushy.
All you have to do is almost bust a blood vessel for a 10 count.
Originally they advocated 6 seconds.

Just try the fist in hand. You'll see what I mean about exertion.

[teke]

Merchant seaman Teke, Cargo, Bulkies, Tankers, right down to Prawn trawlers etc.Sweet,

My grandfather was in the British Navy during the second world war. He was a plumber on board a merchant ship (forget the ships name).

Ive been watching Battle 360 on my computer which is about USS Enterprise and it has me hooked. The things it had to endure was crazy. Makes me wanna get into the navy.

[Rodin]

"Makes me wanna get into the navy."

I think you can do a lot worse in todays techno age.
My grandson is in the RAAF & his mate Dave is in the Navy.
They're both AT's (Aircraft technician). Dave loves the Old Seaking choppers but I think he is in denial now because they're going to retire them all & replace them with new shit.

[lefty]

I had two teaspoons in water about an hour before training mate, it was good because I used to go for a decent run (maybe 5km) then train for a solid hour and It gave me about another 30 mins of decent output.

The extra output definately gave me better fitness for the few weeks I was taking it but I ended up deciding that I wouldnt use it for day in/day out training because it made me sweat twice as much as normal and I felt dehydrated the next morning.

Would definately recommend it for someone who is right at the peak of their training and is looking to get a little bit more from their workout for a week or so

Thanks mate, just tried it. Can't say it tastes great!

[20a87]

Well im sitting at 84kgs but getting pressured to cut down to 77kgs which is welterweight in MMA..Its all about getting my bod down to walking around at 80-81 pre fight comfortably..But having been 86 with next to no fat through my former pro footy days i havent a clue if 77 is out of reach or not..

I am kind of in a shit postion..If i could get down to welter i would be a big one for sure but im probably i smallish middleweight as most of them walk around at 90ish and cut to the 84..

Im 24 now so i got time on my side but shit its hard when you are working aswell.I have been teeing up some future sponsors after i HOPEFULLY get a few wins under my belt..

I reckon the size advantage is really important for boxing as it just makes life easier, but i'm aware mma requires more muscle mass. I haven't ever had to make a concentrated cut focusing on muscle tissue but I would be intrigued as to how you get on if you could update me on the run up to your weigh in that would be great.

Also is your coach supervising your weight cut or are you just going off your own bat?

Can I ask a question of you blokes?
I spent most of my early life at Sea. A rolling deck is not a good place to exercise.
The modern science of fitness has overtaken a lot of the old ways, however, the muscular system hasn't changed.
Fitness fanatics back then used to do a form of calisthenics.
It entailed re-active stress tests, such as pitting one limb against the other etc.
Such as, place one fist in the palm of the other hand, take a deep breath then push one against the other with every ounce of power you can muster, then count to 10.
You can do these exercises sitting in a chair (shoulders & torso). In a doorway, pushing with arms down or up. Legs, head, etc, wherever there is immovable resistance.
You use one part of you body to strengthen the other.
Most ordinary people would do 5 of these exercises & in a matter of a couple of minutes & be absolutely exhausted.
You can do them all day no matter where you are, & they will burn calories & tension muscle.

Do any of you do these exercises these days?

I know these as isometric exercises and a lot lot of trainers use them in conjunction with explosive movements using the same muscle group to develop a static - dynamic exercise e.g. holding a press up position for x amount of time then follow it immediately with x amount of clap press ups.

In terms of boxing I have heard Ariza (pacs conditioner) talk of using them on manny and khan.

Personally I would never do just isometrics on their own but as another facet to training it is worth exploring deeper if you are unfamiliar.

[Rodin]

I reckon the size advantage is really important for boxing as it just makes life easier, but i'm aware mma requires more muscle mass. I haven't ever had to make a concentrated cut focusing on muscle tissue but I would be intrigued as to how you get on if you could update me on the run up to your weigh in that would be great.

Also is your coach supervising your weight cut or are you just going off your own bat?



I know these as isometric exercises and a lot lot of trainers use them in conjunction with explosive movements using the same muscle group to develop a static - dynamic exercise e.g. holding a press up position for x amount of time then follow it immediately with x amount of clap press ups.

In terms of boxing I have heard Ariza (pacs conditioner) talk of using them on manny and khan.

Personally I would never do just isometrics on their own but as another facet to training it is worth exploring deeper if you are unfamiliar.


The main benefit, I think, is that in a lot of toning exercises, they come with compounding joint impact (Knees Elbows etc) where as these don't.
Obviously it is not a singular regime, but one that can be done anywhere, anytime & as often as you like.
Cheers

[20a87]

The main benefit, I think, is that in a lot of toning exercises, they come with compounding joint impact (Knees Elbows etc) where as these don't.
Obviously it is not a singular regime, but one that can be done anywhere, anytime & as often as you like.
Cheers

spot on

Varying the length of the contractions dictates what kind of strength etc you target through the isometric. I've got something somewhere with the pros and cons of this style of training which i'll try and dig out on monday.

[ozziebattler]

I reckon the size advantage is really important for boxing as it just makes life easier, but i'm aware mma requires more muscle mass. I haven't ever had to make a concentrated cut focusing on muscle tissue but I would be intrigued as to how you get on if you could update me on the run up to your weigh in that would be great.

Also is your coach supervising your weight cut or are you just going off your own bat?





I have my mum whos a nutrictionist keeping tabs on my cut...Though she lives in Queensland and myself in NSW we have to lias through phone,email etc..

I used to cut when i boxed in my teens and due to that experience know what to expect but shit its hard on me...As i mentioned before i at 84 currently dont have much body fat on me so getting to 77 is going to take some serious hard Yakka.

[zelky]

Good to see you are still around Zelky too. I read this forum most days of the week, but rarely post here as it does seem to be a bit Mundine/Green focussed.
Reminds me of the old World of Boxing Days, long gone now, unfortunately even the Yuku board (old EZ) board really only just trundles along now.

Yeah mate was always fun having a chat with everyone that was a funny 'rivalry' that developed between "WOB" and "ABF".

I'm half way through my current supply of Musashi protein so I'll be ordering soon. Great to read your info and can't wait to get some. Yum!

[TCboxa]

You need some Cement powder Zelky then you might harden the fck up some Champ! hahaha

[Dr Gonzo]

interesting to see this thread bumped

started talking Gaspari Superpump 250 again today and forgot how much the cunt of a thing keeps you up at night :twisted:

when my Optimum Serious Mass runs out kflex im hitting you guys up

what is your pre workout drink like? full of caffeine like these NO2 boosters?

[zelky]

I steer away from caffeine if I'm going to the gym...it's counter productive. I find it kills real endurance.

As an extreme example there is a fighter who used to drink a case of coca cola a day. But his endurance was shit. Not sure if he just loved the taste or was addicted to the daily buzz of 20 ish cokes.

When he gave up the "coke" after his trainer had a word to him his endurance increased dramatically. Years down the track he's developed into a very good fighter.

[Dr Gonzo]

I steer away from caffeine if I'm going to the gym...it's counter productive. I find it kills real endurance.

As an extreme example there is a fighter who used to drink a case of coca cola a day. But his endurance was shit. Not sure if he just loved the taste or was addicted to the daily buzz of 20 ish cokes.

When he gave up the "coke" after his trainer had a word to him his endurance increased dramatically. Years down the track he's developed into a very good fighter.

who was that?

i absolutely love the pre workout drinks... alot of people claim they are shit but i have seen great results with them... unreal endurance and focus mainly, which helps keep my form tight which to me is the most important thing. With max concentration i am doing very slow reps with lighter weight and very very strict form. 2 count down, 1 count up, total ROM. The results i have been are much better than before when i would go really heavy but go fast and a little sloppy. NO-Xplode etc keep me focused and i dont get tired and sloppy, i can make each rep count

Thanks NO-Explode.... (insert cheesy music)

[bushboy]

Geez 20 cokes a day? He must have had a bastard of a time keeping weight.. I used to struggle to keep under 75 before a fight when I was just eating a few sangas and the odd chicken breast a day

[ipswich express]

A mate of mine swears by a product called Hydrox-cut, or Hydroxy-cut or something along those lines. Reckons he's dropped the best part of 8kgs in just over a month. Thing was the bloke wasn't that big to begin with. Says he feels like he has heaps more stamina while exercising and eats less. Anyone heard of it, or used it? I'm not too crash hot on my supps.

[20a87]

A mate of mine swears by a product called Hydrox-cut, or Hydroxy-cut or something along those lines. Reckons he's dropped the best part of 8kgs in just over a month. Thing was the bloke wasn't that big to begin with. Says he feels like he has heaps more stamina while exercising and eats less. Anyone heard of it, or used it? I'm not too crash hot on my supps.

it has a very bad rep

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[ozziebattler]

who was that?

i absolutely love the pre workout drinks... alot of people claim they are shit but i have seen great results with them... unreal endurance and focus mainly, which helps keep my form tight which to me is the most important thing. With max concentration i am doing very slow reps with lighter weight and very very strict form. 2 count down, 1 count up, total ROM. The results i have been are much better than before when i would go really heavy but go fast and a little sloppy. NO-Xplode etc keep me focused and i dont get tired and sloppy, i can make each rep count

Thanks NO-Explode.... (insert cheesy music)

I have been reading up alot lately on the pre workout drinks etc like NO'EXPLODE etc and scientific analysis has given them the big thumbs up as part of your supplement/dietry regime..

With my old girl being a nutricionist she sometimes gives me other more highly regarded Nutricionists than herself to check out and all have favoured pre workout supplements...

By no means do you need them but they definetly have more positives then negetives when it comes to achieving fitness goals...

Must be added that like everything its all abiout moderation.Dont over do..

[TCboxa]

Nice find 20a87, Hydrox-cut is toxic to the liver e[Only registered and activated users can see links] your mate must be a real smart bloke Ispwich, prob just like the rest of your mates, havent got a bloody clue! hahahah

[ozziebattler]

it has a very bad rep

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Yeah man Hydroxycut has been found out as somewhat of a dud..

It was all the craze 5 or so years ago but i would strongly recommend against it..

My girl who is a PT used to be on the shit and had serious headaches, felt dehydrated etc after use.

At first i said just get off them as your body mustnt be suited for it..But now 5years later it has come out as unsafe with shit loads of people suffering from the same symptoms as my missus..And in some cased worse..

Stay away from it boys.

[ipswich express]

Nice find 20a87, Hydrox-cut is toxic to the liver e[Only registered and activated users can see links] your mate must be a real smart bloke Ispwich, prob just like the rest of your mates, havent got a bloody clue! hahahah

Coming from you, it doesn't get much better. How's that chick from Maccas going? :rofl

[Dr Gonzo]

I have been reading up alot lately on the pre workout drinks etc like NO'EXPLODE etc and scientific analysis has given them the big thumbs up as part of your supplement/dietry regime..

With my old girl being a nutricionist she sometimes gives me other more highly regarded Nutricionists than herself to check out and all have favoured pre workout supplements...

By no means do you need them but they definetly have more positives then negetives when it comes to achieving fitness goals...

Must be added that like everything its all abiout moderation.Dont over do..

if your going to get one i suggest Gaspari Super Pump 250. It is milder than NO-Xplode but has the same affect and the taste is WAY better :good cheaper to i think!

[TCboxa]

Coming from you, it doesn't get much better. How's that chick from Maccas going? :rofl

mate atleast i can get a root, not like you guys sitting on the internet forums all day playing with ya pecker! :lol:

[Kegsy]

mate atleast i can get a root, not like you guys sitting on the internet forums all day playing with ya pecker! :lol:
She looked different after a few yrs hey TC:lol:

[ipswich express]

mate atleast i can get a root, not like you guys sitting on the internet forums all day playing with ya pecker! :lol:

Zing. That got me... :lol:

[TCboxa]

LOL Hands above the table you lot! fck yeah Kegsy she looked diff but a roots a root :P

[ipswich express]

Ty, from what I can gather from the email that is circulating through boxing circles at the moment is that there is quite a bit of irony in your comments. Wouldn't you have pulled said junkie bird from the internet? You said you were chatting to her through facebook after all? :)

[TCboxa]

I cant read your bloody minds fellas, shoot me a copy of the email and id be happy to comment. Why are you guys so intrested in my personal life anyhow?

[Dr Gonzo]

TC who is the dude in your avatar?

[20a87]

Yeah man Hydroxycut has been found out as somewhat of a dud..

It was all the craze 5 or so years ago but i would strongly recommend against it..

My girl who is a PT used to be on the shit and had serious headaches, felt dehydrated etc after use.

At first i said just get off them as your body mustnt be suited for it..But now 5years later it has come out as unsafe with shit loads of people suffering from the same symptoms as my missus..And in some cased worse..

Stay away from it boys.

Strong stimulants raise the heart rate etc with the aim of raising metabolism and (in theory) fat loss - fine if you are working out for vanity. If you are an aspiring fighter your workouts should be extremely intense so you can do without a chemical heart rate boost. Dehydration is common with shit like this...

[Dr Gonzo]

Strong stimulants raise the heart rate etc with the aim of raising metabolism and (in theory) fat loss - fine if you are working out for vanity. If you are an aspiring fighter your workouts should be extremely intense so you can do without a chemical heart rate boost. Dehydration is common with shit like this...

would it be illegal to take something like this prior to stepping into the ring? :think

[20a87]

would it be illegal to take something like this prior to stepping into the ring? :think

pretty sure it would

The ABA here in england don't allow stimulants although I'm not sure of the exact passable blood levels etc for things like caffeine.

[bushboy]

Ippy, Im not familiar with what hydroxycuts contents but based on what you've said I'd say it loads you up to the eyeballs on Ephedrine-bad bad and more bad. Im only a layman when it comes to nutrition but from what I understand ephedrine acts like a mega stimulant to ur metabolism, probably driving his energy needs through the roof and cutting muscle or fat whatever is available, i'd say this is a body building supp cause those guys in the budgie smugglers "cut" before a competition.

Stay away from ephedrine like the plague, its not natural

[ipswich express]

Happy days mate, I'll give him the heads up. I don't know much about that stuff at all to be honest.

[Chopper]

Nice find 20a87, Hydrox-cut is toxic to the liver e[Only registered and activated users can see links] your mate must be a real smart bloke Ispwich, prob just like the rest of your mates, havent got a bloody clue! hahahah

I guess you have all the clues then m8? :bowdown: