**Knowing what we know now about RJJ's chin...Will Tito ....**

[Orishaman]

After knowing the secret of RJJ's chin, will Tito change his game and go for broke on RJJ's chin....do you think that Tito still has the power to KO RJJ....

[VIP]

Yes he has the power but Jones' chin is not as fragile as you make it out to be.

[Orishaman]

Yes he has the power but Jones' chin is not as fragile as you make it out to be.

Well after two Tarver fights and one Glenncofe fight...I respectfully disagree

[Jinx]

Well after two Tarver fights and one Glenncofe fight...I respectfully disagree

Tarver landed a bomb flush on the point of the chin, it would've KOed most lt. heavies...and it took Johnson 9 rds of punishment to stop a scared version of Jones...that doesn't sound like a china chin...

[jimmie]

I dont think Tito at 170 has the 1 much KO power of Tarver at 175 and he doesnt have the relentless pressure style of Glen Johnson.

[Carlos Primera]

does anyone think rjj can make 170 easily?? in my opinion he cant. thats gonna soften up that china chin some more for tito to smash into pieces.

[Korn_06]

Well isn't it the only real question in this fight if Tito can carry enough power to 170 and if he can land his shots. If he cant then RJJ will win. I do not see Tito winning on points.

[warrior85]

i think the better question is if tito can land a deciesive punch,not whether roy can take it.

[PH|LLA]

Tito is RETIRED. He is fighting at 175lb for fucks sake!!!

he started his career at 140

He is fighting a guy who has won a heavyweight title

and its not like his style is to be an outside boxer

bet the house on RJJ

[standing 8]

I don't think that Trinidad will have enough pop in his punches at 170 to take Jones out.

[Relentless]

the real question is can tito take rjj's power?

[Orishaman]

Ok fellows, let go back a second, the point of this thread is not shearing for Tito, since I am not to kin on this fight at all...I think it is stupid for both fighters, butsince it will happen unless something major happened in trasining camp to either..it will take place...and I simply posting a simple question, Tito already knows that RJJ has a questionable chin, will he go for it....I didn;t say that Tito will carry his power to 175...I don;t know, he never fought at that weight...my gut feeling tells me no...but a weak chin or suspect chin is..and RJJ will be getting hit by a 175 opponent...end of story...let's not remember that if Tarver had better stamina he would have KO RJJ once again in the 10th round of the last fight

[Orishaman]

the real question is can tito take rjj's power?

Tito was a chmapion not a chump like many of RJJ opponents..he is not a gargbage man, nor a taxi driver...not some obscure opponent, he ahs the pedigre of a champ becuase he was one....how many pedigree opponnets did RJJ faced on his prime and won....3 maybe.....

[Relentless]

Tito was a chmapion not a chump like many of RJJ opponents..he is not a gargbage man, nor a taxi driver...not some obscure opponent, he ahs the pedigre of a champ becuase he was one....how many pedigree opponnets did RJJ faced on his prime and won....3 maybe.....

rjj beat the guy that made tito his bitch.

[Orishaman]

rjj beat the guy that made tito his bitch.

15 years ago.... and the man that made Tito his bitch beat the man that made RJJ his bitch...twice ....and far more recently than the BHop v RJJ fight....so what are you saying.....bitch...:rofl

[krutov]

Jones has fought many times at light heavy and even at heavyweight and done well. Trinidad has not fought above middleweight before. Both fighters can knock out each other with a good shot on the right spot but i think Jones speed, skills and strenght will win him this fight but it will be competitive.

[Orishaman]

Jones has fought many times at light heavy and even at heavyweight and done well. Trinidad has not fought above middleweight before. Both fighters can knock out each other with a good shot on the right spot but i think Jones speed, skills and strenght will win him this fight but it will be competitive.

In all honesty...I questioned the competitiveness of this fight...RJJ is looking for a way out to erased his embarrasing defeast at the hand of Taver and Glencoff....Tito would be the one...this could be a double sword edge for RJJ....

[zivic1941]

I dont think Tito at 170 has the 1 much KO power of Tarver at 175 and he doesnt have the relentless pressure style of Glen Johnson.

Agreed.

I'm not a Jones fan, but despite his slippery slope in the last few years, I like Jones in this fight early. Listen to Jones' commentary during the Winky Wright fight. He has his style analyzed to a T, and will knock him out inside of 3 or 4 rounds. It's why Jones took the fight.

[kg0208]

Tito was a chmapion not a chump like many of RJJ opponents..he is not a gargbage man, nor a taxi driver...not some obscure opponent, he ahs the pedigre of a champ becuase he was one....how many pedigree opponnets did RJJ faced on his prime and won....3 maybe.....

Jones resume is fine. Some good guys, some bad ones, lots of champions and contenders. Those are the facts.

[Orishaman]

Agreed.

I'm not a Jones fan, but despite his slippery slope in the last few years, I like Jones in this fight early. Listen to Jones' commentary during the Winky Wright fight. He has his style analyzed to a T, and will knock him out inside of 3 or 4 rounds. It's why Jones took the fight.

I am will not disagree with you but I will say that the purpose of the thread was not to address a winner but simply state a fact, regarding RJJ...and Tito , heavy handed puncher he was might have that on the back of his head...and may try go for broke early also, which might proof your prediciton right

[Orishaman]

Jones resume is fine. Some good guys, some bad ones, lots of champions and contenders. Those are the facts.

Fine..sure...far more chumps than champs and contenders ...and that's a fact also

[kg0208]

Fine..sure...far more chumps than champs and contenders ...and that's a fact also
Actually that's a lie, but you can keep saying it over and over if it helps you sleep at night. :thumbsup

Just because some poster on a message board calls a fighter a chump, doesn't make it so.

Of course, I don't expect you to give him a fair assessment, seeing as how you think he isn't even one of the top 100 fighters ever.

Would you like to point out all the chumps who weren't contenders (this is of course, excluding the fights he had as a prospect, since all fighters fight average fighters at that point). Leave your opinion out of it and point out NON Top 10 ranked fighters?

[jopez707]

It's tito's only chance, if he doesnt know Roy Jones out, he is going to lose badly on points. SOmehting like 8-4 or 9-3....maybe worse..

[joito3]

tito is going to go ko jones in a 6 round classic !

[Carlos Primera]

is'nt this taking place at a catch weight of 170?? imo rjj cannot make that weight without getting drained.

drained rjj = KTFO

[kg0208]

is'nt this taking place at a catch weight of 170?? imo rjj cannot make that weight without getting drained.

Back on the subject.

You are probably right. Jones STILL doesn't look right. I honestly wonder aloud now if he was part of Balco, cuz his physique is nothing like it used to be.

Tito can win this fight, but only if Jones stands right in front of him and lays on the ropes. If Jones makes weight easily, and has anything left, Jones will most likely stop him. This more depends on Jones condition than anything Trinidad does.

[gutto]

can noy see tito pulling this off but I am thinking rjj may have some problems making the weight

[joito3]

Back on the subject.

You are probably right. Jones STILL doesn't look right. I honestly wonder aloud now if he was part of Balco, cuz his physique is nothing like it used to be.

Tito can win this fight, but only if Jones stands right in front of him and lays on the ropes. If Jones makes weight easily, and has anything left, Jones will most likely stop him. This more depends on Jones condition than anything Trinidad does.

kg your absolutely right ... roy will be a dead man walking at this weight !! tito is going to lay a beating on him...roy is too old to go down to 170 ....its going to absolutely leave him defenseless

In roy's fights since he was ko'd by Tarver he has done nothing but avoid a fight and lay on the ropes ... sure he's shown slight flashes of his old self but its not going to be enough against Tito .....

Hopkins fought like a mad man constantly punching moving feinting blocking titos shots jabbing countering for 12 rounds straight !

Roy can't do this at this stage of his career

[kg0208]

kg your absolutely right ... roy will be a dead man walking at this weight !! tito is going to lay a beating on him...roy is too old to go down to 170 ....its going to absolutely leave him defenseless

In roy's fights since he was ko'd by Tarver he has done nothing but avoid a fight and lay on the ropes ... sure he's shown slight flashes of his old self but its not going to be enough against Tito .....

Hopkins fought like a mad man constantly punching moving feinting blocking titos shots jabbing countering for 12 rounds straight !

Roy can't do this at this stage of his career
But like I said, if for some reason Jones makes this weight easily, he can beat Trinidad.

Also, look at Wright, who looked sluggish going up to 170, and he is bigger than Tito. That could be a concern.

What could be a huge problem as a viewer and fan is if Jones can barely make weight and Trinidad can't carry the weight. Then we will be reduced to watch two ATG do absolutely nothing in the ring.

[Carlos Primera]

Back on the subject.

You are probably right. Jones STILL doesn't look right. I honestly wonder aloud now if he was part of Balco, cuz his physique is nothing like it used to be.

Tito can win this fight, but only if Jones stands right in front of him and lays on the ropes. If Jones makes weight easily, and has anything left, Jones will most likely stop him. This more depends on Jones condition than anything Trinidad does.
KG i agree that the outcome hinges more on rjj condition than anything else. even if he makes 170 on the scales thats too unhealthy for him. factor in that he's going to be 39, i dont think he'll be at 70% during the fight even if he rehydrates over night. at this age, the foot speed that made him untouchable is shot to bits. add in the effects of being drained, his wheels are gonna give up before the 4th. he's gonna be a sitting duck all night on the ropes, ala his previous fights. aside from that, his punches are gonna lose their pop and speed from becoming drained. a lot of people are counting out tito since this fight was announced, but he has a chance of winning. obviously trinidad is not gonna be in the best shape either after a long layoff, but he has a good 4 rounds to try and bomb rjj out of there, before he gasses out. imo, i see trinidad going on a all out assault on rjj from the start (like the strategy i see vargas using against mayorga). if the odds are good it would'nt be ill advised to put some money on tito.

[Orishaman]

Actually that's a lie, but you can keep saying it over and over if it helps you sleep at night. :thumbsup

Just because some poster on a message board calls a fighter a chump, doesn't make it so.

Of course, I don't expect you to give him a fair assessment, seeing as how you think he isn't even one of the top 100 fighters ever.

Would you like to point out all the chumps who weren't contenders (this is of course, excluding the fights he had as a prospect, since all fighters fight average fighters at that point). Leave your opinion out of it and point out NON Top 10 ranked fighters?

I stand by my comment he is not an top 100 ATG ...so let's examine the Resume please:

55 total fights, 51-4, 38 KO's

first 16 fights ...Chumps, 17 fight is Jorge Vaca..solid opponent...slightly past his prime..won by KO in 1st

...next 5 more chumps....6 fight is BHop, fairly inexperience up and coming contender BHop...RJJ won by UD


3 more chumps....then one contender Tate...Champ James Toney beat by UD....

another chump ..then Champ Vinnie Paz win by KO, contender Thompson his last fight past his prime win by KO...

contender Merqui Sosa...won by KO...3 more chumps then WBU title holder Montell twice and Champ Mike McCullum past his prime by a beats him by UD...

past his prime Champ Virgil Hill by KO.....Champ Del Valle...MW champ Otis Grant up to in weight ....one more chump and old Champ Reggie Johnson beat by UD....

more chumps ...add champ Harding and Clinton Woods...in between the chumps..add Glen Kelly, Ruiz then the debuckle and them back to fighting 2 more chumps before facing Tito in Jan 2008...a lot of chumps some contenders, sure a number of champs past their prime.....on and all slightly over average....

[BlueApollo]

As far as making 170 goes, let's not forget that this will hurt Tito to some extent as well. True, dropping Puerto Rican beach and frijole weight is not the same as muscle mass, but we'll only know if he trimmed down the right way on the day of the weigh-in. And he needs to be in the best shape of his life, because the odds are great that he gets torched during the first half of the fight.

No way does Tito successfully bulldog Roy. His style is not about swarming, and he doesn't have anything close to the Road Warrior's physical strength.

Roy by UD, if Tito isn't "saved by Papa" late.

[cuchulain]

"Tito hits a lot harder than Glenncoffe.

Doubt it. His free shot, while jarring Mayorga, failed to even wobble him.

If Mayorga stuck his chin out for Glen, his ass would hit the canvas.

[kg0208]

I stand by my comment he is not an top 100 ATG ...so let's examine the Resume please:

55 total fights, 51-4, 38 KO's

first 16 fights ...Chumps, 17 fight is Jorge Vaca..solid opponent...slightly past his prime..won by KO in 1st

...next 5 more chumps....6 fight is BHop, fairly inexperience up and coming contender BHop...RJJ won by UD


3 more chumps....then one contender Tate...Champ James Toney beat by UD....

another chump ..then Champ Vinnie Paz win by KO, contender Thompson his last fight past his prime win by KO...

contender Merqui Sosa...won by KO...3 more chumps then WBU title holder Montell twice and Champ Mike McCullum past his prime by a beats him by UD...

past his prime Champ Virgil Hill by KO.....Champ Del Valle...MW champ Otis Grant up to in weight ....one more chump and old Champ Reggie Johnson beat by UD....

more chumps ...add champ Harding and Clinton Woods...in between the chumps..add Glen Kelly, Ruiz then the debuckle and them back to fighting 2 more chumps before facing Tito in Jan 2008...a lot of chumps some contenders, sure a number of champs past their prime.....on and all slightly over average....
Your examination is more than a little biased.

Like I said, you calling them chumps doesn't make them chumps. I said leave out your opinion and you didn't.

At LHW alone, Jones fought 13 Top 10 contenders and 9 champions (12-13 if we use the criteria YOU used during our Hearns debate)

At SMW, Byrd was ranked as was Pazienza and of course, so was James Toney.

The chump fighter that Jones fought after Hopkins was Mulinga, who would later win the SMW title against Nigel Benn...what a chump right?

All in all, of the 28 fighters than Jones fought after Hopkins 19 were Top 10 ranked or champions. Those are facts. And I don't call top 10 fighters and champs chumps.

You can call them whatever you like from this point on, but the FACTS say you're incorrect. If the top 10 fighters and champions are bums and chumps, then who are the good fighters? And who should Jones fight? Guys OUTSIDE the top 10 and none of the champions? Will that suffice?

Not top 100.....lol. Sure.

[El Bombasto]

After knowing the secret of RJJ's chin, will Tito change his game and go for broke on RJJ's chin....do you think that Tito still has the power to KO RJJ....

maybe...nope

[cuchulain]

the real question is can tito take rjj's power?

Depends what he's got left at this stage. Certainly at prime, he can pick the round to KO Tito, and with either hand.

Watch these two demolition jobs:

Glen Kelly (undefeated in 29 fights) single-shot, right hand KO

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Montel Griffin (27-0-0, including Toney) single-shot, left hand KO

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Tito was a chmapion not a chump like many of RJJ opponents..he is not a gargbage man, nor a taxi driver...not some obscure opponent, he ahs the pedigre of a champ becuase he was one....how many pedigree opponnets did RJJ faced on his prime and won....3 maybe.....

The two above. And Jones' other victims included Hopkins(22-1-0), Toney(44-0-2), Hill(43-2-0), Harding(19-0-1), Harmon(20-1-0), Gonzalez(27-0-0), Woods (32-1-0) and Ruiz(38-4-1, including Holyfeld).

That's 10, for starters, 5 of them undefeated. Their combined record (300-9-5)

Tito's resume pales by comparison.

[kg0208]

Depends what he's got left at this stage. Certainly at prime, he can pick the round to KO Tito, and with either hand.

Watch these two demolition jobs:

Glen Kelly (undefeated in 29 fights) single-shot, right hand KO

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Montel Griffin (27-0-0, including Toney) single-shot, left hand KO

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The two above. And Jones' other victims included Hopkins(22-1-0), Toney(44-0-2), Hill(43-2-0), Harding(19-0-1), Harmon(20-1-0), Gonzalez(27-0-0), Woods (32-1-0) and Ruiz(38-4-1, including Holyfeld).

That's 10, for starters, 5 of them undefeated. Their combined record (300-9-5)

Tito's resume pales by comparison.

I already gave him this comparison 3-4 times in the past year. He hates Jones and will just come back and call them bums or chumps, his choice word of the week, regardless of where they were ranked or if they were champs or not.

Anyone who ranks Jones outside the top 100 all time can't be taken seriously on the subject of Jones.

[BlueApollo]

Actually, watching clips like those while trying to objectively cap this fight is a no-no. I love watching vintage Roy also, but let's be honest. He ain't what he used to be.

That being said, I do believe he can have spectacular moments against Tito. But can he string together enough spectacular moments to win rounds, or just enough to keep Tito off of him? If I watch old tape to make the decision, I'll trick myself into thinking Roy scores a first round KO. Five years ago, this fight was a joke.

[cuchulain]

Actually, watching clips like those while trying to objectively cap this fight is a no-no.

I agree. My first two sentences were:

Depends what he's got left at this stage. Certainly at prime, he can pick the round to KO Tito, and with either hand.

The clips were in reference to my opening comments.

I love watching vintage Roy also, but let's be honest. He ain't what he used to be.

That being said, I do believe he can have spectacular moments against Tito. But can he string together enough spectacular moments to win rounds, or just enough to keep Tito off of him? If I watch old tape to make the decision, I'll trick myself into thinking Roy scores a first round KO. Five years ago, this fight was a joke.

My points in responding with that post were:

(1) we can't attach much significance to this fight, no matter what the outcome. If they're both shot, it's a bit meaningless.

(2) Prime Roy annhialates any version of Tito.

[the_churn]

Actually, watching clips like those while trying to objectively cap this fight is a no-no. I love watching vintage Roy also, but let's be honest. He ain't what he used to be.

That being said, I do believe he can have spectacular moments against Tito. But can he string together enough spectacular moments to win rounds, or just enough to keep Tito off of him? If I watch old tape to make the decision, I'll trick myself into thinking Roy scores a first round KO. Five years ago, this fight was a joke.
Jones didn't look that bad in his last two fights and took some head shots from Hanshaw and Ajamu, who have at least a moderate degree of power, without getting hurt. His speed seems completely intact, his power a little faded and his legs a little more faded. That said, he is still very much an elite level fighter. Christ, the way some people talk around here it is like Jones hasn't been in the ring since Jones v. Johnson or is just coming off of yet another loss.

I think this fight is completely meaningless and more importantly is a waste of what little time Roy has left if he wants another title shot. That said, to assume that super faded and rusty Tito has even a puncher's chance at 170 displays little more than abject hatred of Jones in the face of logic.