Footage of Tommy Ryan!

[McGrain]

Old old Tommy Ryan, but supposedly this is him, on the right as you look at the screen I am guessing. This is his 6 round draw with Hugo Kelly.

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[bodhi]

That guy uploaded some great old timer footage.

[Maxmomer]

Holy Shit!

[McGrain]

Holy shit is right, I almsot fell of my seat when I saw.

[burt bienstock]

McGrain, Thanks for sharing this footage of the great Tommy Ryan against Hugo Kelly...The year was 1907...Ryan who was thirty seven years at this time was long past his great prime...Thanks again..B.B.

[Boilermaker]

That is a very impressive performance for an ancient Tommy Ryan. 2 years earlier, Hugo Kelly fought 2 draws with Tommy Burns! I think an old Tommy Ryan deserved the decision, Kelly could do nothing but run and hold and was clearly bothered by Tommy's power and ability to chase him down and land. In fact, if that fight was scored a draw today, many would call it a robbery! I wonder whether it was an agreed draw if it went the distance.

[he grant]

Unreal ... great post.

[mcvey]

Old old Tommy Ryan, but supposedly this is him, on the right as you look at the screen I am guessing. This is his 6 round draw with Hugo Kelly.

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A rare gem.Thanks .

[dpw417]

Unbelievable. What else do you have a your basement???!!!!....
Thanks for posting!

[janitor]

How did Ryan get so forgotten?

He was the Sugar ray Leonard of his day.

[klompton]

That film has been circulating for years as Tommy Ryan-Hugo Kelly when in fact it is Georges Carpentier-Frank Klaus...

[TheGreatA]

Yes it does seem to be the Carpentier-Klaus fight which was also uploaded by RareBoxing. At first I thought it was legit but then I saw the distinct similarities with the Carpentier-Klaus film.

I guess that means no legitimate footage of Tommy Ryan's fights for us yet. Maybe some other day.

[McGrain]

:-(

[Mendoza]

I have seen Ryan in his prime in 1899 spar with Jim Jeffreis. Do not use the 1906 film to formulate an opinion on Ryan. He was much quicker in his prime!

Ryan is a forgotten old timer. He should rate up there as a top welter, and middle and as a trail blazer. As middle weight champion ( 1899 ) Ryan offered a title fight to black contender Frank Craig, and defeated him.

[janitor]

:-(

Dont worry.

If you step into the minefield of tracking down early fights, you will step on the odd mine.

You managed to hit that tightrope before I did which means that you run faster;).

[klompton]

I have seen Ryan in his prime in 1899 spar with Jim Jeffreis. Do not use the 1906 film to formulate an opinion on Ryan. He was much quicker in his prime!

Ryan is a forgotten old timer. He should rate up there as a top welter, and middle and as a trail blazer. As middle weight champion ( 1899 ) Ryan offered a title fight to black contender Frank Craig, and defeated him.


There is no 1906 film on which to formulate an opinion.

[Mendoza]

There is no 1906 film on which to formulate an opinion.

You're right. I meant to say the 1907 video that was uploaded here. Ryan was much faster, smoother and on point in his youth.

[TheGreatA]

So footage of a prime Tommy Ryan sparring with Jeffries does exist. I'll take that over a 1906 fight with Hugo Kelly. :good

[Mendoza]

So footage of a prime Tommy Ryan sparring with Jeffries does exist. I'll take that over a 1906 fight with Hugo Kelly. :good

The footage consists of a jog, then some light sparring. However the thing to focus on is the speed and movement of both guys. Jeffreis in his prime was quick as a cat. Ryan was pretty quick too, but rather polished and smooth by standard of old timers on what's left of the grainy films.

Ryan was Jeffries trainer for a while, and this was leading up to the Fitz fight. The film is out there.

[klompton]

You're right. I meant to say the 1907 video that was uploaded here. Ryan was much faster, smoother and on point in his youth.

There is no 1907 footage either. The film that was uploaded as Ryan-Kelly has been misidentified. It is actually Klaus-Carpentier. There is no known fight footage of Ryan or Hugo Kelly.

[Boilermaker]

That is a very impressive performance for an ancient Tommy Ryan. 2 years earlier, Hugo Kelly fought 2 draws with Tommy Burns! I think an old Tommy Ryan deserved the decision, Kelly could do nothing but run and hold and was clearly bothered by Tommy's power and ability to chase him down and land. In fact, if that fight was scored a draw today, many would call it a robbery! I wonder whether it was an agreed draw if it went the distance.

Or should i say, even in his old age, he looked a pretty good fighter I reckon that performance would be on par with something a prime Georges Carpentier could deliver! In fact old Tommy reminded me a lot of Georges Carpentier (or was that Frank Klaus!)