barrera wants pacquaio or he will retire! [Archive]

doublesuited

06-26-2007, 11:30 AM

Pac beat a prime MAB (who was coming off victories against Hamed, Morales, Johnny Tapia and Kevin Kelly) and drew with a prime JMM. I don't see how he fought a couple of "shot legends" there...

Two other things to keep in mind: 1) he's beat numerous top-rate contenders in multiple divisions, and 2) the guy started his career at 106 pounds and is now the best 130 pounder on the planet!

Pretty good stuff right there.In his last few fights, Pacquiao has done nothing but fight a shot Morales, Solis who had a padded record, and a natural 122 fighter in Larios. I don't give a shit if Pacman started his career at 106, he was a teenager at the time.

Max Molyneux

06-26-2007, 11:33 AM

Pac needs to lose to Marquez again.

doublesuited

06-26-2007, 11:45 AM

OK, but who's done more over the past 3-4 years then? And PLEASE don't say Mayweather! You could argue Winky Wright, but that's it...Since 2003, it's a tossup between Wright and Pacquiao.

Since 2004, Winky is the clear choice.

doublesuited

06-26-2007, 12:14 PM

Winky's 2004 was great with the victories over Mosley, but that was at 154 (Mosley is a natural WW) and keep in mind that he's only fought twice a year frmo 2003-2006, and only ONCE this year (his upcoming fight with Hopkins). Another thing - he hasn't had a KO since 2002! And his victories over Trinidad and Quartey look good on paper but those guys are well past their prime - now he's taking on Hopkins who is well past it and only beat Tarver b/c he's so fucking shot it's not even funny...

Say what you will about Manny's oposition - he's had 12 fights (including his upcoming bout with Soto) since the begining of '03 compared to Winky's 9 (including the Hopkins bout). His record since '03 is 9-1-1 with 8 KOs, compared to Winky's record of 7-0-1 with NO KOs. Manny's also been involved in several fight of the year candidates, Winky has been in NONE. Manny's next fight is against a young, tough as hell, naturally bigger man - in his prime! You cannot say the same for Winky...

Now, please tell me (WITH FACTS) how you think Winky's resume is superior.We're factoring in knockouts now? I thought this was boxing? As long as Winky Wright beat his opponents convincingly, then there's no argument. It isn't a matter of being able to knock your opponents out or how exciting the fights are. If that were the case then Gatti would be in the Top 10.

You can argue that Quartey and Tito were past their primes, but what does that say about Morales? At least Tito was coming off of a brutal stoppage of Mayorga and Quartey was coming off of a very controversial loss over Forrest. Morales on the other hand got thoroughly outboxed by Raheem and so it's not like Pacquiao's victory was that great.

When Wright is facing former champions like Quartey, Pacquiao is facing journeymen like Velazquez.

doublesuited

06-26-2007, 12:22 PM

When Wright was sitting on his ass complaining about money and thinking more like a promoter than a fighter - Manny was taking' "stay busy" fights in between big bouts. I like it when fighters fight - they can't take on A+ fighters everytime, but as long as they stay busy in between big bouts I'm happy. Winky has turned into the typical HBO house fighter. I still have him as #2 on my p4p lits over Mayweather, and if he beats Hopkins convincingly I'll put him at #1, but I just think Manny has done more for the sport across the world over the past few years...You like it when fighters fight and I like it when fighters try to fight the best opponents out there.

Pacquiao has clearly not done this ever since signing the Larios fight. One easy fight, alright. Three easy fights in a row in such a loaded division? Pacquiao's overrated.

doublesuited

06-26-2007, 12:41 PM

Yeah, I meant "easy" relatively speaking with such a loaded weight class.

Soto's a good matchup for Pacquiao and a very credible opponent.

IntentionalButt

06-26-2007, 01:57 PM

This promotional strategy would work better if he called a press conference and started thrashing around on the ground kicking his feet and screaming "gimme gimme gimme! thirty foot ring or i'm going to take my ball and go home! my brother can beat up your brother! i could be mayor of mexico city just by snapping my fingers. you've got a smelly face!". this is a good point in his career for a little self-reinvention. drop the face and assassin and just go by "the baby". :nod

dangerousity

06-26-2007, 02:24 PM

In his last few fights, Pacquiao has done nothing but fight a shot Morales, Solis who had a padded record, and a natural 122 fighter in Larios. I don't give a shit if Pacman started his career at 106, he was a teenager at the time.

Considering Larios & Pac were both top dogs of 122 at the same time, if Larios is a natural 122lb then so is Pac. Considering he only climbed to 126 to chase MAB and only climbed to 130 to chase Morales, Larios climed to 130 to chase Pac and cos he was weight drained at 122, both are equally the same size.

As for the thread, Pac can always use MAB as a tuneup.

jopez707

06-26-2007, 02:36 PM

Please give Marco Antonio Barrera another chance PacMan!! I want to see you destroy him!!! I still dislike Barrera for mouthing off to Juarez AFTER their 2nd fight ended. That was totally classless and cowardly since all Barrera did during the 2nd fight was dance around like a queer!!

He put a clinic on Juarez, who is such a slow starter, its ridduculous. Juarez is a joke, I used to follow him and hope that he won a title, but since the Soto fight he has been mediocre at best.

MrMagic

06-26-2007, 02:59 PM

I know Barrera is a legend and all, but whats in it for Pac fighting Barrera who recently lost to JMM?
Sure I know we all can agree that Barrera is entitled to a title fight, just like Morales was, but he should get a win under him first, to really put ANY mystique behind the Pac - Barrera II fight.

la-califa

06-26-2007, 03:45 PM

Sept. 15. Barrera Vs. Marquez II. Check Eastside boxing schedule. The winner should get Paquaio.

Nawfal

06-26-2007, 04:28 PM

barrera better stay away from pacman

DobyZhee

06-26-2007, 05:25 PM

Why should Pac fight MAB at this point? It will give the pac haters something to feast upon.

Actually, Pac should just take the 10 mil fight on MAB's home turf and kick his ass again once and for all. Then we'll get to sit around the campfire and talk about how Pac couldn't beat a prime MAB without a forest fire.

MAB would be a good tuneup against a Guzman or Marquez or Soto. Its funny how 'double suited' outs Pacquiao for fighting old people or Hector Velasquez when Marquez has fought the terdsaks and salidos of the world

acb

06-26-2007, 05:28 PM

Only way Barrera beats Pacman is if he fights in his usual bitch style, and hit pacman when he's down, throw an intentional headbutt, or throw a sucker punch after the bell.

PAcman/barrera wouldn't be so bad after all, it would be fun to watch him get slaughtered.

:nono

Your talking about a legend and a great, great fighter. Have some respect.

Oh and I seem to remember Pac hitting Marquez while he was down.

etong_08

06-26-2007, 05:50 PM

PACMAn will have his wish come true.. for good. :)

Ramshall1

06-26-2007, 06:19 PM

I'll believe it when I see it.

psychopath

06-26-2007, 06:41 PM

Only way Barrera beats Pacman is if he fights in his usual bitch style, and hit pacman when he's down, throw an intentional headbutt, or throw a sucker punch after the bell.

PAcman/barrera wouldn't be so bad after all, it would be fun to watch him get slaughtered.

Yeah yeah yeah your usual bitching style. :lol: Fuck . . . pretending you know what you're talking about again? You just don't learn boii. :yep

Nah nah nah :nono my fucktard bitch you haven't answered how Valero would outbox Pacquaio for 12 rounds explain that not only to me but to everybody. What's Valero's new strategy that you saw wayback 2003?

:hi: :D

psychopath

06-26-2007, 06:43 PM

:nono

Your talking about a legend and a great, great fighter. Have some respect.

Oh and I seem to remember Pac hitting Marquez while he was down.

Forget it buddy. :D This shithead doesn't respect anybody . He doesn't even know Barrera is a legend. :yep

:good

El Bombasto

06-26-2007, 06:45 PM

He wants to get KO'd in his last fight?

acb

06-26-2007, 08:32 PM

Guys stop playing this game that Barrera is a bum. He's not in his peak anymore but he can still fight with the best (MAB vs. JMM was close you guys forgot??)

But I see where this is heading "PAC koed him because he was a Bum anyway" or
"I can't believe a shot Barrera tooled PAC"

Barrera is my favorite active fighter and Im saying right now, he doesnt beat Pac.

So yea, to answer your question, if and when he loses to Pac, Im not going to give Pac a ton of credit cause its a waste of time for his career at this point. I would rather him fight the young fighters (Guzman, Soto, and Valero) or fight Marquez.

Boom_Boom

06-26-2007, 08:53 PM

Im sorry but Barrera is a little bitch for not getting the Marquez rematch, i know he want Pacquiao but this Pacquiao or retire bullcrap is just crybaby talk.

brooklyn1550

06-26-2007, 08:57 PM

At this stage in his career, I have said (if Valero is willing to take the fight), that Barrera should fight him. He would probably pick up a title belt defeating a young, powerful champion with all KOs.

I think Barrera should stay away from Pacman, but the man is a real fighter and tough as nails, so I'm sure he thinks he would do better in the rematch and beat Pacman.

psychopath

06-26-2007, 09:00 PM

Barrera is my favorite active fighter and Im saying right now, he doesnt beat Pac.

So yea, to answer your question, if and when he loses to Pac, Im not going to give Pac a ton of credit cause its a waste of time for his career at this point. I would rather him fight the young fighters (Guzman, Soto, and Valero) or fight Marquez.

Barrera is no longer in his prime but he still has enough to beat Guzman, Soto or Valero, these fighters are not in the level of JMM or Pacquaio yet.:yep

I would love to see Barrera go out on a winning note by getting the title of Guzman or Valero but he's not up to it now. All MAB wanted is one more big payday which he can't get against anybody else, not even JMM. :-(

psychopath

06-26-2007, 09:04 PM

Im sorry but Barrera is a little bitch for not getting the Marquez rematch, i know he want Pacquiao but this Pacquiao or retire bullcrap is just crybaby talk.

Chill dude. MAB is not a bitch, he is just being true to himself. He wanted the biggest money fight he can get before getting out of the scene. The JMM and Pacquiao fight have almost the same degree of difficulty for him. It's just that the Pac fight will give him the bigger paycheck. :yep

acb

06-26-2007, 09:06 PM

Barrera is no longer in his prime but he still has enough to beat Guzman, Soto or Valero, these fighters are not in the level of JMM or Pacquaio yet.:yep

I would love to see Barrera go out on a winning note by getting the title of Guzman or Valero but he's not up to it now. All MAB wanted is one more big payday which he can't get against anybody else, not even JMM. :-(

Fuck I hope Barrera has enough cash by now. Doesnt seem like one of those fighters who burns it.

acb

06-26-2007, 09:08 PM

I never said he wasn't a great fighter. Being a great fighter doesn't change the fact that he's dirty, and he acts like a bitch when he's losing, so I have no respect for that.

Well I have to grant you that he did do some dirty shit against Pac when things were going wrong.

He made a fool out of Hamed though, and I will allways love him for that. (off topic, I know).

psychopath

06-26-2007, 09:10 PM

" pretending you know what you're talking about again "? is my line bitch and once again you're trying to bite my style. Hey peasant boy, you seem to be suffering from an identity crisis.

Just STFU and die... Im gonna send you next to your mom. :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

My mah mah mah fucktard bitch is still trying to fight back. STFU? Nah nah nah . . . don't be desperate . . . this is not gonna stop.:yep

Pretending? That's my exact words on my last post dickhead. You keep copying my style. You keep learning from me. :-(

Now stop your bullcrap and stop crying.

Just explain . . . how Valero would outbox Pacquaio with the new strategy you saw wayback in 2003.

You can't escape your own stupidity my mah mah mah fucktard bitch

:hi: :good

psychopath

06-26-2007, 09:18 PM

MArco may not be a bitch but you are. :rofl You're my bitch for sure on ESB. :lol: STFU about bigger paychecks and all that foo cuz you have no idea..

DUmbass.

Bwawawawawawawa . . . the guy who can't explain what came out of his mouth is calling me a dumbass.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

No idea? Bitch as you are? :lol: You keep copying my style shithead . . . getting desperate? :-(

Just explain how Valero would outbox Pacquaio for 12 rounds with the new strategy you saw wayback in 2003.

What a genius!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

psychopath

06-26-2007, 09:22 PM

Only person that cried was your mom when I fucked her up D azz.. :lol:

OMG LOL there you go again, " You keep copying my style " is also my line faget, seriously peasant boy, you got to come up with your own line. YOu got to be original you know instead of being a wannabe ' Rebel '... You're too much of a yoko to be like me..

You're not just a pussy but you're a queer too. Seriously dude you're stupid. :nut

Pussy? Queer? Copy my style?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Does that answer the question how Valero would outbox Pacquaio for 12 rounds with the new strategy that you saw in 2003?

Nah :-( I don't think so My mah mah mah fucktard bitch

Your ass is still getting owned for every escape try you make. :yep Try again and explain.

:hi: :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

psychopath

06-26-2007, 09:25 PM

HAving a hard time with those words huh? you just can't make a post without editing huh? :lol: Faget ass bitch, nice try hunni..:hi:

The funniest part was last time when you edited your post after about 15 minutes.. ROFL... WTF was that all about? Did you have to look online for some good bags or something? You're a fag dude.

Faget? Funny?

No escape My mah mah mah fucktard bitch :yep You need to eat back that shit that came out of your mouth.

Explain how valero would outbox Pacquaio for 12 rounds with the new strategy you saw in 2003.

:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

psychopath

06-26-2007, 09:28 PM

:nutcase Im no genius but I do know a whole lot more than you do, but that isn't anything to brag about because there's many noobs on here who knows more than you..

I don't even know why you post here. :lol:

Why do you?

Go buy your mom a some neosporin or something cuz her azz was ripped open by my cock.

Oh yes you know more than me in cock sucking, fucking mothers, Koreans, Fagets and all that shit no doubt asbout that. :rofl :good

But just explain how Valero would outbox Pacquaio for 12 rounds with the new strategy you saw in 2003. . . . My mah mah mah fucktard bitch

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

psychopath

06-26-2007, 09:32 PM

:piss :tomb your mom.

:lol:

Nice try but you have to do better than that to get a laugh. You're using the same lame line over and over again.. " mah mah mah fucktard
" ROFL wTF is that anyways? Who the fuck uses that word FUCKTARD?
:lol: Dude I don't know about you...

My mom again? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Of course shithead for as long as you can't explain how Valero would outbox Pacquaio for 12 rounds with the new startegy that you saw in 2003 you're gonna be My mah mah mah fucktard bitch

You can't escape that shit which came out of your mouth. No escape fucktard . . . no escapre. :rofl :yep

:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

psychopath

06-26-2007, 09:36 PM

You couldnt even give a simple answer as to who your TOp10 weighter weights were and here you are trying to talk boxing with me? :rofl

Your pathetic gave me some bullshit list after looking it up on various boxing sites, including Fi##tnews and Boxrec.

LOLZ get the fuck outa here cuz you aint fooling nobody.

Nah nah nah :nono Don't try to drag this somewhere else. :-(

Explain how Valero would outbox Pacquaio for 12 rounds with the new strategy that you saw in 2003 My mah mah mah fucktard bitch This is all what it's all about.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

psychopath

06-26-2007, 09:40 PM

Do not worry about me escaping cuz I ain't going nowhere. THis fuckin guy. :lol:

I already explained it to you before so Im not going to repeat myself.

fuck you and your mama. :lol:

THink so something else dude, cuz you're boring me.

Already explained? My ass! STFU? Get outa here?

Nah nah nah :nono . . . there's no stopping. I'll chew your sorry ass and bitch slap your shameless face to my pleasure. :yep My mah mah mah fucktad bitch

What again? Valero would outbox Pacquaio for 12 rounds with the new strategy that you saw in 2003? :think :-(

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :good :hi:

psychopath

06-26-2007, 09:44 PM

LOL... I must be on your mind 24/7 for you to have me in your Signature...

I can kinda see that you're a weak minded bitch with no sense of identity.. Trying to bite my flamboyant style. BUt you're a peasant and it's just not possible.

Pschycho, you need to man up a grow a pair becuase your mom might as well think of you as a daughter.. You're a bitch.

Oh yeah I'm bitchslapping you 24/7 even if you're hiding from me My mah mah mah fucktard bitch . . . and that's until you explain how Valero would out box Pacquaio for 12 rounds with the new strategy that you saw in 2003. . . and there's nothing you can do about it . . . :yep :yep :yep :yep

TALKING ABOUT Fucking mothers, sisters, cock sucking, Koreans, pushing carts won't help you explain it shithead.

:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

:hi: :good

psychopath

06-26-2007, 09:47 PM

THat's great. YOU can chew my ass and bitch smack me if you meet me at a gym.. How bout that instead of talking nonsense behind your computer?

You're a pansy.. :rofl

Forget the gym shit clown :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you're getting desperate because you can't explain and justify how Valero would outbox Pacquiao with the new strategy that you saw in 2003 . . . My mah mah mah fucktard bitch

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

psychopath

06-26-2007, 09:52 PM

I already own you like a hoar so there's so I can do and say whatever I want to you. I ain't got to explain shit because they're too hard for you to understand.. You have to be alot smarter you know? Plus I already explained to you so Im not going to repeat it.... arguing with a retard like you is pointless for real so Ill just stick to abusing your bitch ass..

Whatever happened to my challenge? Why do you have to be such a pussy?

Yeah own me like a hoar . . . my ass. :rofl Keep dreaming . . . My mah mah mah mah fucktard bitch. If the bitch slapping and the humilation I'm giving you now means you own me I'm celebrating for it.

:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

Now explain how Valero would outbox Pacquaio for 12 rounds with the new startegy that you saw wayback in 2003. :yep

:hi: :hi: :hi: :tong

psychopath

06-26-2007, 09:55 PM

:lol: NIce try peasant boy. But you're trying to beat around the bush instead of answering my challenge.. What a biaatchhh...

That's a good choice though because your dad and your sister is going to be without a wife and a mother once i get through with you...

:bart

You got to be a man Psycho.

Man? I know I'm man and I know you're fag My mah mah mah fucktard bitch no arguement on that. :yep

Now explain how Valero would outbox Pacquaio for 12 rounds using with the new strategy you saw in 2003 . . . you're desperately trying to escape shithead.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

psychopath

06-26-2007, 10:03 PM

:patsch Now you ran away again and logged off without explaining the shit that came out of your own mouth? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Same question will be slapped back into your shameless face once you come back here fag!

My mah mah mah fucktard bitch

:yep :yep :yep

:hi:

ravtrav

06-26-2007, 10:20 PM

Fuck ALLBLACK!!!!!!

theunderdog

06-26-2007, 10:28 PM

What a freaking surprise! another pac thread has degenerated into a REbe1 and psychopath mudslinging, bitchcalling, motherf***ing thread.

psychopath

06-26-2007, 10:35 PM

Don't blame me folks. :lol: :lol: :lol:

The bastard just can't accept the fact that he has been owned, bitchslapped and humilated. :yep :yep :yep

You noticed I've been sticking to the same bullshit that came out his mouth? All all he can come up is trash. :-(

Poor pathetic kid is desperate.

:D :good :hi:

psychopath

06-26-2007, 10:45 PM

You forgot to ask him about Mosquera and Ledhwada :D :D :D

Oh thanks for reminding me . . . :lol: That will crop up next time he showed up. :good

knockout

06-27-2007, 12:54 AM

Well he wants a big money fight and maybe get some payback.

knockout

06-27-2007, 12:55 AM

What a freaking surprise! another pac thread has degenerated into a REbe1 and psychopath mudslinging, bitchcalling, motherf***ing thread.Every lower weight class thread is like this.:D

theunderdog

06-27-2007, 01:15 AM

Every lower weight class thread is like this.:D

sad but true

knockout

06-27-2007, 01:18 AM

sad but trueyeah i know but its funny though.

Grinder

06-27-2007, 02:00 AM

Pacquiao doesn't need a Barrera fight no more, the latter is obviously far out from his prime he could easily beaten by Pac. But IMO this fight should happen, Pac should give Marco to prove himself before he retires. I'm sure a lot of boxing fans still looks forward for this rematch.

Pac vs MAB is a money fight for both guys.

jyuza

06-27-2007, 02:08 AM

Fuck Barrera, bring Marquez on !

reed_man02

06-27-2007, 03:02 AM

sad but true

are you a lakers fan? if so, what do you think about kobe's trade demands and what the fuck is up with kobe?

theunderdog

06-27-2007, 06:07 AM

are you a lakers fan? if so, what do you think about kobe's trade demands and what the fuck is up with kobe?

it's either they get him another all-star or he goes. tha's basically what he wants. he even went as far as say that LA should ship andrew bynum out for jason kidd. but now, i think they'll really go for kg. maybe for odom and bynum. you know how it is in LA, what kobe wants kobe gets

theunderdog

06-27-2007, 06:09 AM

boxbox

06-27-2007, 07:58 AM

a mab fight makes sense for pac because it's a lot of money and relatively low risk. IMO, pac will have a harder time against jmm, guzman and even soto than against mab.

but if you ask me if pac's stock will rise after he beats mab again, then i'd say no. but the thought of being the one to retire mab is just too juicy to pass up.

actually its better if pac fought these dangerous fighters now that he's still peaking, he will be able to handle them easier NOW than LATER when he took his time taking fights that he get criticised for...besides if MAB PAC dont happen now, it will eventually happen when both have no one else to fight and it will still generate good money:bbb

theunderdog

06-27-2007, 08:30 PM

actually its better if pac fought these dangerous fighters now that he's still peaking, he will be able to handle them easier NOW than LATER when he took his time taking fights that he get criticised for...besides if MAB PAC dont happen now, it will eventually happen when both have no one else to fight and it will still generate good money:bbb

i think it's now or never for pac and mab because he's getting old. people still care about barrera today but they won't if he starts losing to lesser competition. i'd say take mab out now. then take on guzman, while waiting for jmm-soto, winner meets winner then all will be happy

boxbox

06-27-2007, 10:53 PM

i think it's now or never for pac and mab because he's getting old. people still care about barrera today but they won't if he starts losing to lesser competition. i'd say take mab out now. then take on guzman, while waiting for jmm-soto, winner meets winner then all will be happy

i kinda like barrera to stay a bit more, i think he can still take on some of the young ones and manage a win...fighting pac now will end it:hey i see your point though, better to see him fight with a chance than none:thumbsup