Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. J.C. Vasquez at 154

[KOTF]

The Mayweather that fought DLH vs. the Vasquez that fought Sweet Pea. Who would win it?

[bodhi]

Mayweather was so cautious against DLH and DLH was just not able to keep a high enough workrate. Vasquez would do so. I think he would outwork PBF and win a close UD or MD.

[lefthook31]

DLH was a quick fighter. Floyd easy UD.

[Bill Butcher]

The Mayweather that fought DLH vs. the Vasquez that fought Sweet Pea. Who would win it?

Well, considering the Mayweather that fought DLH was better than the Whitaker that fought Vasquez, that leaves me with the easy decision of Mayweather by UD (8-4)

A Vasquez victory is wishful thinking, nothing more, nothing less.

[My2Sense]

Well, considering the Mayweather that fought DLH was better than the Whitaker that fought Vasquez, ...

Why do you say that?

[lefthook31]

Because Whitaker sucked at 54, he was slow and couldnt move. Floyd at 150 or whatever he weighed would box circles around Vasquez who was about as creative as Mickey Ward in the ring.

[Bill Butcher]

Why do you say that?

Because Ive seen both fights & even tho Floyd wasnt at his very best, he looked decent at the weight, decent enough to perform almost to his normal standard.... Whitaker looked utter shit at 154, he`s actually lucky that he never lost vs Vasquez with the shift he put in that night... not his fault tho, his frame is all wrong for that weight.

[lora]

Hoya was never more than a serviceable fighter himself at 154, even at his best there.

[lefthook31]

Hoya was never more than a serviceable fighter himself at 154, even at his best there.
Yeah but he always had decent hand and footspeed, even at 54. DLH could stay close to FLoyd but realistically he didnt do much.

[bodhi]

Yeah but he always had decent hand and footspeed, even at 54. DLH could stay close to FLoyd but realistically he didnt do much.

Tha's the thing. DLH was shit in the fight and Floyd was still over-cautious. How would he look against a fighter who actually does something? I think Floyd's over-cautiosness costs him hte fight.

[lefthook31]

Tha's the thing. DLH was shit in the fight and Floyd was still over-cautious. How would he look against a fighter who actually does something? I think Floyd's over-cautiosness costs him hte fight.

That was the point is that Dlh wasn't that effective but because of his speed he was able to stay close to Floyd. Vasquez was not particularly quick or ring savvy so it would be easier for Floyd to keep the fight where he wanted it distance wise.
Floyd will let opponents get close at times but he's very difficult to hit cleanly. Everyone makes a big deal about the first castillo fight but he was essentially a one armed fighter when he needed both his hands to keep a stronger guy at range.

[sweet_scientist]

Floyd couldn't keep a B grade version of Vasquez (Hatton) off him in a MORE ideal weight class, he will have massive trouble keeping Vasquez off him in a weight class he is even less mobile in.

As for DLH having faster hands and feet - hands I agree, but as for feet, DLH was plodding in a frankensteinan manner against Floyd.

[lefthook31]

Hatton is also pretty quick both of hand and feet. Floyd also let Baldomir get close at times. Its all about whats happening in that range. As I said Floyd is very hard to hit cleanly.

[Popkins]

Because Ive seen both fights & even tho Floyd wasnt at his very best, he looked decent at the weight, decent enough to perform almost to his normal standard.... Whitaker looked utter shit at 154, he`s actually lucky that he never lost vs Vasquez with the shift he put in that night... not his fault tho, his frame is all wrong for that weight.

I thought Floyd was utter shit actually, nowhere near his usual standard. That's the worst he has ever fought that I've seen. Even though I think he lost the 1st Castillo fight, at least Castillo was prime and it was an excellent, competitive fight, and Floyd did some quality work (I liked it when he fought inside in the 11th). Against a clearly past-prime and toothless Oscar, Floyd was inhibited and thoroughly uninspiring throughout.

Having said that, I'd still back Floyd to outpoint Vasquez. It'd be a torrid night for him against someone as robust as Vasquez, but I still think he'd eke out a narrow decision with some tricks and flicks down the stretch.

[PowerPuncher]

Hatton is also pretty quick both of hand and feet. Floyd also let Baldomir get close at times. Its all about whats happening in that range. As I said Floyd is very hard to hit cleanly.

Hatton is allot faster of both hand and foot and has his wrestling hit and hold tactic makes him a different proposition. Hattons wrestling aside couldnt land much leather on Mayweather, no real clean head blows from what I remember

Vasquez is bigger and harder hitting, but he'd give Mayweather far more time to think with his plodding style. Hes almost a harder hitting version of Baldomir.

It really depends if Vasquez can be effective if he cant its an easy UD, if he can Floyd will have a hard night but score the cleaner punches to win ou a UD. I dont think hes relentless enough or good enough a pressure fighter to make it a hard night though

[bodhi]

Hatton is also pretty quick both of hand and feet. Floyd also let Baldomir get close at times. Its all about whats happening in that range. As I said Floyd is very hard to hit cleanly.

That's hardly a new enlightment :lol: Floyd is great defensivly. But he also has he tendency to let inferior fighers trap him into the ropes or a corner. Against someone like Vasquez this might spell trouble. Vasquez comes for you, no mater wha you do, he throws quite a few punches and especially when Floyd is on the ropes some would land. Whiaker never was as cautious as Floyd, took more risks and threw more punches. This played a big part in his win over Vasquez. And this is why I think Vasquez outworks Floyd. No shame in that. Vasquez is a Top10 jmw and Floyd shouldn't be fighting in that weightclass.

[PowerPuncher]

Vasquez is a Top10 jmw and Floyd shouldn't be fighting in that weightclass.

Only if you exclude WWs/MWs who fought at the weigt from the rankings. Bet we could do a list of 100fighters who would beat him at the 154lb limit

[Flea Man]

I think Floyd would win a decision in a competitive fight.

Vasquez would make him fight much harder than he had to in the De La Hoya fight though. I just trust Floyd to skip out of danger and re-establish his jab if it gets to torrid on the ropes.

Floyd 116-112, summat like that.

[Flea Man]

I'd fancy Gil Turner to beat Floyd.

[bodhi]

I think Floyd would win a decision in a competitive fight.

Vasquez would make him fight much harder than he had to in the De La Hoya fight though. I just trust Floyd to skip out of danger and re-establish his jab if it gets to torrid on the ropes.

Floyd 116-112, summat like that.

Winky had trouble to land his jab consistently on Vasquez and his jab was already very very good. There were times he couldn't miss it and then he couldn't find him with it. A bit strange. Winky also looked strong and powerful and couldn't keep Vasquez of him. Floyd has much less power. Vasquez wouldn't respect anything Floyd throws.

I don't say Vasquez would dominate Floyd. No way! It would be highly competative. Floyd is a higher class of fighter but Vasquez is much bigger and has the right style to trouble Floyd. I guess that's too much.

[lefthook31]

Winky had trouble to land his jab consistently on Vasquez and his jab was already very very good. There were times he couldn't miss it and then he couldn't find him with it. A bit strange. Winky also looked strong and powerful and couldn't keep Vasquez of him. Floyd has much less power. Vasquez wouldn't respect anything Floyd throws.

I don't say Vasquez would dominate Floyd. No way! It would be highly competative. Floyd is a higher class of fighter but Vasquez is much bigger and has the right style to trouble Floyd. I guess that's too much.
Winky became ten times the fighter after the vasquez fight, especially in the jab department. What about Whitaker he had a lot less power too less than Floyd plus he was slow as hell.

[Flea Man]

Winky had trouble to land his jab consistently on Vasquez and his jab was already very very good. There were times he couldn't miss it and then he couldn't find him with it. A bit strange. Winky also looked strong and powerful and couldn't keep Vasquez of him. Floyd has much less power. Vasquez wouldn't respect anything Floyd throws.

I don't say Vasquez would dominate Floyd. No way! It would be highly competative. Floyd is a higher class of fighter but Vasquez is much bigger and has the right style to trouble Floyd. I guess that's too much.

True. I would also note that the Vasquez fight caused Winky to make some adjustements which made him a much better fighter.

I wouldn't really fight the cause of either guy; Floyd has the attributes to stay out of trouble, Vasquez has the style to trouble him. Its what you like in this matchup IMO:good

[sweet_scientist]

Primarily, why I like Vasquez's chances is because he is a very good body puncher. Out of all the fighters that fought Whitaker in his career, Vasquez was the ONLY guy that could consistently land anything to his body. Whitaker actually said after their fight that he thought Vasquez broke his rib and he determined never to fight above 147 after the body bruising he copped.

Now sure, Whitaker was outside of his best weight class and didn't look too crash hot at 154, but I have little doubt Vasquez will also find Floyd's body and wreak havoc downstairs. He won't land much upstairs on Floyd, but like Castillo, I can see him getting to Floyd's midsection and causing him major pain.

Someone like Baldomir didn't have anything near the strength, power or body punching ability of Vasquez.

[Flea Man]

Primarily, why I like Vasquez's chances is because he is a very good body puncher. Out of all the fighters that fought Whitaker in his career, Vasquez was the ONLY guy that could consistently land anything to his body. Whitaker actually said after their fight that he thought Vasquez broke his rib and he determined never to fight above 147 after the body bruising he copped.

Now sure, Whitaker was outside of his best weight class and didn't look too crash hot at 154, but I have little doubt Vasquez will also find Floyd's body and wreak havoc downstairs. He won't land much upstairs on Floyd, but like Castillo, I can see him getting to Floyd's midsection and causing him major pain.

Someone like Baldomir didn't have anything near the strength, power or body punching ability of Vasquez.


Good stylistic points:good