Barney Ross vs Floyd Mayweather/ Winner?

[burt bienstock]

Barney Ross; great Welter of the 30's against.wily Floyd Mayweather...And the winner is.....?

[Bummy Davis]

Barney Ross UD

[PowerPuncher]

Mayweather wide UD, ROss doesnt do anything better

[teeto]

Barney Ross is a top rate technician, no bullshit about primitive fighters can exist in this thread. Mayweather is a great boxer also. Great proposition here, I'm not quite sure. Ross is so proven though and fantastic footage exists of him. Mayweather is great at adapting, but he'd have his work cut out here like he's never known, from a stylistic point of view that is. Ross can lead with the short right, come under with multiples to body and head, he has great footwork.

It's difficult.

[My2Sense]

Mayweather wide UD, ROss doesnt do anything better

You mean aside from jabs, technique, and workrate.

[burt bienstock]

Touche, My 2 Sense....

[bodhi]

Ross clear UD.

[PowerPuncher]

You mean aside from jabs, technique, and workrate.

Except Mayweather has better technique, Mayweather takes away workrate and can work at a faster pace than Ross than needs be, he doesnt have more stamina, and Floyd would own him in a jabbing contest if he didnt prefer using powershots

Like I said Mayweather does everything better

[Stonehands89]

Except Mayweather has better technique, Mayweather takes away workrate and can work at a faster pace than Ross than needs be, he doesnt have more stamina, and Floyd would own him in a jabbing contest if he didnt prefer using powershots

Like I said Mayweather does everything better

Sounds like an EXCUSE to me.



Question: Why do you have that picture as your avatar?

[teeto]

Sounds like an EXCUSE to me.



Question: Why do you have that picture as your avatar?
This is a victory post.

[My2Sense]

Mayweather takes away workrate and can work at a faster pace than Ross than needs be, he doesnt have more stamina, ...

Mayweather could barely keep up with a plodder like JL Castillo for 12 rounds in one of the few times he was forced to step out and maintain a fast pace, while Ross could easily keep up a whirlwind pace through an entire 15 rounds as he showed in his fight with McLarnin.

... and Floyd would own him in a jabbing contest if he didnt prefer using powershots

No, Floyd would own him in a jabbing contest if someone surgically removed a great jabber's left arm and transplanted it in place of Floyd's own.

Like I said Mayweather does everything better

Your own post ACKNOWLEDGES that he doesn't do everything better, and just makes excuses for it.

[My2Sense]

Sounds like an EXCUSE to me.


Bingo! :good

[Drew101]

Tough to say, really. Ross may have had the higher workrate, but Floyd was the more accurate puncher and possesses the faster hands of the two. To me, this plays out like Mayweather-DLH, in which PBF's clean right hands get the judges' attention more than Barney's jab and greater workrate. PBF by close, controversial SD.

[bodhi]

Tough to say, really. Ross may have had the higher workrate, but Floyd was the more accurate puncher and possesses the faster hands of the two. To me, this plays out like Mayweather-DLH, in which PBF's clean right hands get the judges' attention more than Barney's jab and greater workrate. PBF by close, controversial SD.

Mqayweather never beat someone with the combination of skill and workrate like Mayweather while Ross beat fighters who proved themselves better than Mayweather and you still pick him. Strange pick. :think

[PowerPuncher]

1. Mayweather could barely keep up with a plodder like JL Castillo for 12 rounds in one of the few times he was forced to step out and maintain a fast pace, while

2. Ross could easily keep up a whirlwind pace through an entire 15 rounds as he showed in his fight with McLarnin.

3. No, Floyd would own him in a jabbing contest if someone surgically removed a great jabber's left arm and transplanted it in place of Floyd's own.

4. Your own post ACKNOWLEDGES that he doesn't do everything better, and just makes excuses for it.

1. Chavez threw 100punches a round, Hatto60, Castillo 60, Mayweather threw 40-60 a round against Hatton

2. There only seems to be round highlights of Ross-Mclarin. He folded like a stack of cards against the 1 true pressure fighter in Armstrong. So clearly he handles workrate/intensity worse than Floyd

3. Floyds jab is faster and mor accurate with more snap. When Floyd concentrates on the jab he dominates with it: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

4. Mayweather does everything better than Ross

[PowerPuncher]

Sounds like an EXCUSE to me.

Question: Why do you have that picture as your avatar?

Not really, landing rights/hooks is harder than landing jabs, leading with it and landing harder still, if you are good enough to lead and land, it makes the lesser set up punch, the jab, somewhat redundant. Mayweather dominated with the jab against Marquez, and its fast, sharp accurate, snappy jab. He just doesnt need the ab as much as others

I'm a fan of Benn and that fight, despite its tragic end, the fight was a gift from both fighters to the sport. Thought that pic captured the fight pretty well

[Rise Above]

I've said this before but you cant do these kind of mythical matchups. Its better to compare guys of differing eras based on opposition fought (resume) and titles held etc.

There have been too many advancements in nutrition, training and general boxing technique to properly asess who would win a fight like this.

[teeto]

Speculation about how a fighter fights in a particular fight is utter bullshit, you fight how you do on the night and that is what is documented in history, end of fuckin story. The favouritism/bias on this board is really pissing me off now, bastard pots are calling the kettle black.

[Stonehands89]

Not really, landing rights/hooks is harder than landing jabs, leading with it and landing harder still, if you are good enough to lead and land, it makes the lesser set up punch, the jab, somewhat redundant. Mayweather dominated with the jab against Marquez, and its fast, sharp accurate, snappy jab. He just doesnt need the ab as much as others
Muhammad Ali on golf. "I'm the best. I just haven't played yet."

He was kidding. You're not.

[Addie]

Muhammad Ali on golf. "I'm the best. I just haven't played yet."

He was kidding. You're not.

:lol:

[PowerPuncher]

Muhammad Ali on golf. "I'm the best. I just haven't played yet."

He was kidding. You're not.

Yes because thats the same with FMJ never throwing a jab despite the fac he dominated JMM for 12 with mainly the jab alone :nut But you're a Robertard who doesnt even know when/why his fave fighter left LW FFS

[Stonehands89]

Yes because thats the same with FMJ never throwing a jab despite the fac he dominated JMM for 12 with mainly the jab alone :nut But you're a Robertard who doesnt even know when/why his fave fighter left LW FFS
Yep, that's me. A Robertard.

Good luck!

[My2Sense]

Mayweather threw 40-60 a round against Hatton

That fight didn't go more than 10 rounds, let alone 15 or even 12.

He folded like a stack of cards against the 1 true pressure fighter in Armstrong.

Guess you've never heard of Battling Battalino, Sammy Fuller, or Ray Miller then.

So clearly he handles workrate/intensity worse than Floyd

Only if you somehow think Chavez or Hatton are somehow comparable to Armstrong. :nut :lol:

Floyds jab is faster and mor accurate with more snap.

His jab is clearly not "more accurate," in fact he often falls short with it when he aims for the head.

When Floyd concentrates on the jab he dominates with it: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

No, when he concentrates on the jab he allows Marquez to get up his nerve and go at him, and even drive him to the ropes or sneak in some overhand rights on occasion. It's only when he opens up with hooks that he dominates by dropping Marquez and getting his respect.

Mayweather does everything better than Ross

Not according to you. Your argument has been that he's capable of doing things as well as Ross, but chooses not to actually do them as well as him.

[My2Sense]

Not really, landing rights/hooks is harder than landing jabs, leading with it and landing harder still, if you are good enough to lead and land, it makes the lesser set up punch, the jab, somewhat redundant.

So now you're claiming Mayweather deliberately chooses to do something that's "harder" even though he's capable of winning fights an easier way? That undermines your earlier claim that Mayweather looks to make fights as easy and slow-paced as possible.

[My2Sense]

Speculation about how a fighter fights in a particular fight is utter bullshit, you fight how you do on the night and that is what is documented in history, end of fuckin story.

Exactly.

You could just as well claim Ross is really a hard puncher and can KO guys, but "chooses" to limit himself to jabs and quick flurries instead.

[anarci]

Floyd competetive but comfortable decision 9-6-1

[PowerPuncher]

So now you're claiming Mayweather deliberately chooses to do something that's "harder" even though he's capable of winning fights an easier way? That undermines your earlier claim that Mayweather looks to make fights as easy and slow-paced as possible.

You really don't know boxing :-( Landing lead hooks/rights takes more skill and speed than leading with a jab. Anyone who's boxed a handful of times knows that, the fact you don't shows your not worthy of debate. If you can do it without being hit, it isnt a high risk, Mayweather is cautious but can stll land lead rights/hooks. Few fighters can do this without being hit because they arent as skillfull

I wont bother responding to your other worthless post, you've clearly just displayed that you don't know boxing

[bodhi]

You really don't know boxing :-( Landing lead hooks/rights takes more skill and speed than leading with a jab. Anyone who's boxed a handful of times knows that, the fact you don't shows your not worthy of debate. If you can do it without being hit, it isnt a high risk, Mayweather is cautious but can stll land lead rights/hooks. Few fighters can do this without being hit because they arent as skillfull

I wont bother responding to your other worthless post, you've clearly just displayed that you don't know boxing

That's such a great argument! I really, really appreciate your debating skills :good

[PowerPuncher]

That's such a great argument! I really, really appreciate your debating skills :good

I notice you didn't look at 'why he doesn't know boxing', its pretty apparent to anyone thats boxed, but then again you haven't so it probably went over your head.

Not knowing a lead right is harder to land than a jab :patsch

[WhataRock]

Id take Mayweather but PowerPuncher you have to be kidding yourself man. Your credentials on just about any subject to do with this sport have been dismal at best for as long as I remember, even if you somehow believe they are not.

"I know just about every contender of the last 30 years but Ive never heard of Bones Adams" :lol:

[ripcity]

I would root for Ross and I think he can beat Mayweather. He has the skills and ring smarts to do so. Also in his favor is Mayweather's tendency to get off to slow starts. Mayweather on the other hand is bigger and can stay on the outside. I think it will come down to how many of the early rounds Ross can win and rather it is a 12 or 15 round bout. I know normaly it would seem more logical to pick the old school boxer over 15 and the contempary boxer over 12 but I think Mayweather who is a strong finisher would do better over 15 hear while Ross will have more likely have more chance of having a lead over 12 than he would over 15.
Either way it is going to be a close fight 12 or 15 rounds.

[Drew101]

Mqayweather never beat someone with the combination of skill and workrate like Mayweather while Ross beat fighters who proved themselves better than Mayweather and you still pick him. Strange pick. :think

Why? Because it doesn't coincide with yours?

This comes down to style match-up.

Mayweather has a five inch edge in terms of reach, and that alone will limit the effectiveness of Ross' jab at least to some extent while giving PBF a better chance to land the right hand counter over it. Ross was a very very good boxer puncher, but in order to produce his greater workrate, he's sacrificing a bit of defense, and allowing Maywether still more chances to counter with clean shots. Shorter fighters like Canzoneri and McLarnin were able to have success doing so (Canzoneri arguably won both fights with Ross, McLarnin took one of the three), so a fighter who matches them in terms of pure speed would likely be able to do so as well.

Neither Mayweather or Ross was a devastating puncher and even if they were both of them are tough enough to ensure that this fight goes the distance. Ross will likely throw more punches and make good use of the jab, while Mayweather will certainly use and land the jab and counter with the right hand. Therefore, a fight like this comes down to what the judges like more, and when that happens there's often a split of opinion

Close fight in terms of talent, abilty, and I think on the scorecards imo.

And I fail to see what's strange about that.

[My2Sense]

You really don't know boxing :-(

Then how come I just schooled your dumb, lying ass in this and countless other threads? :lol::rofl

Anyone who's boxed a handful of times knows that, ...

I have boxed, and been around boxers all my life.

Nice try though. :hi:

the fact you don't shows your not worthy of debate.

Oh, so now there's "rules" on who's "worthy of debate"?? :lol: :rofl :rofl

Let's see these rules then.

If you can do it without being hit, it isnt a high risk, Mayweather is cautious but can stll land lead rights/hooks.

And there you go: first you talk about how much "harder" it is, but then you turn around and claim there's no trouble/risk associated with a fighter doing it.

You're just throwing shit at the walls and seeing what sticks.

I wont bother responding to your other worthless post,

Which makes you a worthless pussy.

you've clearly just displayed that you don't know boxing

No, I haven't. You're just making shit up (as usual) to avoid addressing a post that clearly schools your ass.

[bodhi]

Why? Because it doesn't coincide with yours?

Yeah, it was a bit harsh. Sorry.


This comes down to style match-up.

Mayweather has a five inch edge in terms of reach, and that alone will limit the effectiveness of Ross' jab at least to some extent while giving PBF a better chance to land the right hand counter over it. Ross was a very very good boxer puncher, but in order to produce his greater workrate, he's sacrificing a bit of defense, and allowing Maywether still more chances to counter with clean shots. Shorter fighters like Canzoneri and McLarnin were able to have success doing so (Canzoneri arguably won both fights with Ross, McLarnin took one of the three), so a fighter who matches them in terms of pure speed would likely be able to do so as well.

Neither Mayweather or Ross was a devastating puncher and even if they were both of them are tough enough to ensure that this fight goes the distance. Ross will likely throw more punches and make good use of the jab, while Mayweather will certainly use and land the jab and counter with the right hand. Therefore, a fight like this comes down to what the judges like more, and when that happens there's often a split of opinion

Close fight in terms of talent, abilty, and I think on the scorecards imo.

And I fail to see what's strange about that.

You make some good points, although I don't agree with them. Neither McLarnin nor Canzoneri fought similar to Mayweather and they are both better than PBF in my opinion. In fact I think they both proved to be a class above him - yeah, I know strong claim but my opinion. The thing is Mayweather was so cautious and defensive at welter that I can't picture him beating any of the atgs there - and Ross is one, no doubt - and especially not one who matches and even surpasses him in terms of skill. Add to that his higher workrate and faster pace and I don't see Mayweather beating him. Yeah, Ross was "workman-like" where Floyd made it look easy and natural but nevertheless Ross was more refined in a traditional way.

I agree that it will go to the cards. And yeah Mayweather will land his jab and lead right but not often enough for this fight being close enough to win it.

I don't think this will be close on the scorecards and neither is it ion terms of talent or ability. Mayweather IS more talented than Ross. Ross, however, has clearly more ability. Mayweather does not embrace his talent, instead of going for greatness he settles with making money and keeping his "0" fighting mediocre to average opposition, with some good ones in-between. Ross on the other hand did more than he had talent for and made the best out of the abilities he developed in his career. Mayweather is an underachiever by his own choosing. Ross is an overachiever by his choosing.

[PowerPuncher]

Then how come Im a dumb, lying ass in this and countless other threads? :lol::rofl

I have been a worthless pussy shit ass.

Look I just quoted random words and avoided your argument just like you did with me

[My2Sense]

Look I just quoted random words and avoided your argument just like you did with me

No, you FABRICATED random words, UNLIKE what I did with you.

You've been exposed as a liar again. :-(

[bodhi]

No, you FABRICATED random words, UNLIKE what I did with you.

You've been exposed as a liar again. :-(

He does this all the time when he has no arguments left. Pathetic.

[PowerPuncher]

No, you FABRICATED random words, UNLIKE what I did with you.

You've been exposed as a liar again. :-(

You fabricated random quotes, ignoring the crux of the argument, which you ignored because it was complete ownage

Try Again

[PowerPuncher]

I suck My2senses cock.

Yes you do

[bodhi]

Yes you do

:-( you really mus be ashamed of yourself. I pity you.

[PowerPuncher]

:lol: get back on your knees for sensey

[Drew101]

Yeah, it was a bit harsh. Sorry.



You make some good points, although I don't agree with them. Neither McLarnin nor Canzoneri fought similar to Mayweather and they are both better than PBF in my opinion. In fact I think they both proved to be a class above him - yeah, I know strong claim but my opinion. The thing is Mayweather was so cautious and defensive at welter that I can't picture him beating any of the atgs there - and Ross is one, no doubt - and especially not one who matches and even surpasses him in terms of skill. Add to that his higher workrate and faster pace and I don't see Mayweather beating him. Yeah, Ross was "workman-like" where Floyd made it look easy and natural but nevertheless Ross was more refined in a traditional way.

I agree that it will go to the cards. And yeah Mayweather will land his jab and lead right but not often enough for this fight being close enough to win it.

I don't think this will be close on the scorecards and neither is it ion terms of talent or ability. Mayweather IS more talented than Ross. Ross, however, has clearly more ability. Mayweather does not embrace his talent, instead of going for greatness he settles with making money and keeping his "0" fighting mediocre to average opposition, with some good ones in-between. Ross on the other hand did more than he had talent for and made the best out of the abilities he developed in his career. Mayweather is an underachiever by his own choosing. Ross is an overachiever by his choosing.

1. No worries. Just wanted you to see that my pick wasn't based upon a bias against older fighters, but rather by virtue of an examination of the styles.

2. Don't get me wrong, Ross is by far and away the more accomplished of the two fighters, and as a result rated a hell of a lot higher on my ATG list the last time I made one (and that's taking into account the fact that I don't hold Mayweather's failure to face the likes of Cotto and Margarito against him as much as others on the site).

But...

In this case we're dealing with two fighters who came up from lower weights, neither of whom are exceptionally powerful punchers. Ross may well be in possession of a more fundamentally sound style, and would certainly be more active; but if Mayweather knows that he's not at risk of being hurt as he might be in other fights, and finds himself presented with a fighter who can come close to matching him in terms of speed, he'll be inclined to become more agressive and take a few more chances (the Judah fight was an indication of that).

I think Ross certainly could win this fight, or at the very least do enough to convince at least one of the three judges that he deserved to do so, and I don't see him getting whitewashed. But I don't see Mayweather getting schooled either, simply by virtue of the talent that he displays, and the fact that he would likely be too elusive to catch clean with more than one shot at a time.

In my opinion, this is the type of match-up where both fighters would impress in their own way, and I think it would come down to what the judges would like more.

Either way, I see your point now, and can understand where you're coming from even if I don't necessarily agree with it.:good

[bodhi]

Either way, I see your point now, and can understand where you're coming from even if I don't necessarily agree with it.:good

Same here :good

[My2Sense]

You fabricated random quotes,

No, I QUOTED actual quotes, word for word. Show me the words that are "fabricated."

ignoring the crux of the argument,

You had no argument. All you did was say "You don't know boxing" rephrased several different ways.

which you ignored because it was complete ownage

:lol: So you're saying ignoring a post is an admission of ownage?


I wont bother responding to your other worthless post,
:deal


Try Again

What for? You just kicked your own ass now. :lol: