No sparring allowed at PCYC clubs?

[TCboxa]

One of the boys i train goes to school with another boy who trains at PCYC and is due to fight soon, he had arranged sparring with the bloke at school and tonight we drove down to PCYC for some sparring only to be told that PCYC doesnt allow sparring anymore?

I asked how can boxers prepare for fights and i was advised that the trainers at PCYC are PCYC boxing trainers not fight trainers and if i wanted my boy to get some sparring to head down to a gym called fight gym which is a league gym.

Not sure whats happen over the past couple of yrs but to stop sparring and still try teach boxing is a bit of a joke, its like being taught how to drive a car but you never get to test your skills out on the public road.

Does anyone know whats going on with this new policy PCYC have put in place? Surely they must know that other gyms allow sparring and all the boys who dont spar will be at a huge dissadvantage.

[crash]

What a joke,there just trying to destroy boxing.

[goodnight]

valley pcyc does or did if they changed it recently??

[IrnBruMan]

...and so falls another victim of our overly-PC and litigious society.

[andriy]

pcyc's have plenty of fighters & plenty of sparring.

what state were they in to be told that? they are all run independently

[TCboxa]

It was the club in Albury NSW, i used to be their trainer and sparring was allowed, actually its part of getting your qualifications, if your using the trainers licence for personal training then you are asked to leave the course.

What i dont understand is PCYC boxing has their own tornments each year so how the hell do these boys in Albury stand a hope in hell if sparring is outlawed at the Albury Club? Ostini was the old boss but his gone, anyone know whos the new PCYC boxing boss and his contact info?

I even asked to speak to the trainer and was told he was to busy to speak to me, i looked into the room and saw two trainers, one is the father the other is the son, the son was walking around with his hands in his pockets, i pointed this out to the manager and asked her "His too busy to talk to me but his standing around with his hands in his pockets" (Pointing at him)

Its gone all to profit now, i was even asked to pay $20, i told the manager that my trainers licence will cover my boys and this has been the way we have always done it in the past, u cant charge guys who are coming to help your fighters prepare for fights by giving them some sparring, we decided to head over to Renos in Wodonga instead and got some decent sparring over there.

[LeonMcS]

Quick question Ty, did you arrange the sparring beforehand or just turn up on the off chance of it happening?

[TCboxa]

The sparring was pre arranged but im not sure whats gone wrong. I told the guy i train that he should bring the fellow to our gym but he said the guy would prefer us to come to PCYC so he turns up tonight & says its on that the guy will be there tonight and he wants to spar.

I wasnt able to speak to the trainers if thats what you could call them. so i couldnt get any other explination other than the one given from the manager that they no longer allow any sparring in the club.

The sparring wasnt for me either Leon, it was for a guy ive been training for 5 yrs and is 15 yrs of age. I cant get any decent sparring for myself in Albury around my weight, i ended up doing a few rounds with Reno tonight and my boy sparred a couple of his younger guys who dont have any experiance, my boys not had a fight yet.

[donkeyking]

I know for a fact that the manager there is a long time member of ESB. He still reckons your Spidiot.

[TCboxa]

PMSL maby thats why "SHE" wouldnt let my boys spar you rekon?

what was that fact again Donkey? :P

[gilly]

thats the first ive heard of this.dosent sound right.i know of a few pcyc in my area that still spar..ive sparred at 2 different pcyc myself this week. brisbane QLD.

[bushboy]

Pcyc's have been a bit full on for a while, whenever I got a blood nose in sparring myself and my trainer had to fill out an incident report. this got pretty tiresome..
Cant see how they could ban sparring though, may as well ban boxing

[TCboxa]

Id like to try and sort it out, Albury doesnt have many gyms and its good to have a couple you can visit from time to time for sparring. Helps everyone improve imo.

I visited PCYC boxing website and noticed they have this written in the Boxing for Fitness classes section.

(Sparring is prohibited unless supervised by accredited ABA Level 1 Coach).

I guess this is only for Sydney Gyms? Isnt there a head body for PCYC Boxing that sets all these rules? None of the boys in Albury could compete in NSW PCYC State Titles 27th & 28th Mar and if they did so would get beaten to a pulp since they have never had any sparring.

Cant find out whos the new head of PCYC boxing, anyone know? I really need to contact him and see whats going on.

[raff]

North sydney pcyc does sparring, i go occasionally

[TCboxa]

Thanks everyone for the info, i phoned the manager and had a talk with her about it, she said that it come from State Office, i asked to see the policy and whos the new guy that took over from Ostini, she didnt know and asked me to call her back on Tuesday that she will make some calls.

She then said that its not boxing anymore, its boxing for fitness and apparently the trainers dont want any sparring? She said i know that sounds bad but ive given them full control and its their gym now. I asked how boys can prepare for fights blah blah, thats when she said they are not training guys for fights?

I told her they have sparring in North Sydney PCYC etc, didnt seem to matter. She said they got a bad name for sparring after letting Grayem Melbourne run an Indignouse program, he got some of the boys bashed and put them in fights on his shows to make money from em when they shouldnt have even been fighting, 2 weeks training for some he threw in, gave the club a bad name apparently and thats half the reason she dont want no sparring.

[raff]

wich pcyc is that?

[TCboxa]

Albury NSW Raff

[cedrichw]

TC

I did a bit of ringing around and found out the new guy is Joel Keegan ring the person at PCYC and ask for his number.

[ranser]

One of the boys i train goes to school with another boy who trains at PCYC and is due to fight soon, he had arranged sparring with the bloke at school and tonight we drove down to PCYC for some sparring only to be told that PCYC doesnt allow sparring anymore?

I asked how can boxers prepare for fights and i was advised that the trainers at PCYC are PCYC boxing trainers not fight trainers and if i wanted my boy to get some sparring to head down to a gym called fight gym which is a league gym.

Not sure whats happen over the past couple of yrs but to stop sparring and still try teach boxing is a bit of a joke, its like being taught how to drive a car but you never get to test your skills out on the public road.

Does anyone know whats going on with this new policy PCYC have put in place? Surely they must know that other gyms allow sparring and all the boys who dont spar will be at a huge dissadvantage.


Wouldn't you prefer those boys you train to be in a different ,non-violent sport other than boxing. I mean it's not exactly healthy getting a bloody nose and being bashed in the head everyday.

[TCboxa]

thanks cedrich, ill see how i go but wont hold my breath as he wouldnt even speak to me whilst i there the other night. Ranser, yes i would prefer the boy i train sticks to his football instead of boxing and ive told him this but its also his choice, the very least i can do is support that choice by help him and giving him the correct training and decent sparring.

[balmain]

TC I was in Wagga training Joey Williams and the rules the pcyc had made me walk away from the place. They have people in charge who have no idea about life let alone boxing. Joey moving back to Sydney was such a blessing. Aboriginal kids approached me but the prices the pcyc wanted to charge them made them return to football. I am just glad Im out of the place.

[bushboy]

TC I was in Wagga training Joey Williams and the rules the pcyc had made me walk away from the place. They have people in charge who have no idea about life let alone boxing. Joey moving back to Sydney was such a blessing. Aboriginal kids approached me but the prices the pcyc wanted to charge them made them return to football. I am just glad Im out of the place.

So true balmain, I trained at the wagga pcyc for two years 04-06 with geoff while attending school over there and the fees were prohibitive for school kids, it was obvious that the funds from boxing class werent being used to buy decent gear for that gym either

[TCboxa]

$20 they are charging now, well in Albury anyhow. I know some of the kori kids and homeless kids cant afford this, i remember when it used to be gold coin donation, whats happen to those days? I think most people sooner or later who have put in the yrs at PCYC work out that the place is its worst own enemy.

I remember the Wagga gym, canvas stretched over the concrete floor lol, Albury gym was the hilton compared to Wagga, its shocking how run down they let some of the gyms. I spent about 4 days welding up new boxing stations etc, when i left the place they ripped the gym apart and put it upstairs, turned the boxing gym into a weights room.

Ive been stung a few times by PCYC, not sure why i keept going back, i rekon it was the passion for training homeless kids knowing i was helping them get onto the right track through boxing but if you dont have the clubs support its an uphill battle getting more gear, training acreditation for other trainers to help etc.

I was told that 3 boxers from PCYC in Albury competed in a league show on the weekend in Corowa. The trainers at Albury are association, im pretty sure all of PCYC is association, they dont care about the kids anymore its just the money.

[Super_Fly_Sam]

North sydney pcyc does sparring, i go occasionally

goin tomorrow??

[Super_Fly_Sam]

$20 they are charging now, well in Albury anyhow. I know some of the kori kids and homeless kids cant afford this, i remember when it used to be gold coin donation, whats happen to those days? I think most people sooner or later who have put in the yrs at PCYC work out that the place is its worst own enemy.

I remember the Wagga gym, canvas stretched over the concrete floor lol, Albury gym was the hilton compared to Wagga, its shocking how run down they let some of the gyms. I spent about 4 days welding up new boxing stations etc, when i left the place they ripped the gym apart and put it upstairs, turned the boxing gym into a weights room.

Ive been stung a few times by PCYC, not sure why i keept going back, i rekon it was the passion for training homeless kids knowing i was helping them get onto the right track through boxing but if you dont have the clubs support its an uphill battle getting more gear, training acreditation for other trainers to help etc.

I was told that 3 boxers from PCYC in Albury competed in a league show on the weekend in Corowa. The trainers at Albury are association, im pretty sure all of PCYC is association, they dont care about the kids anymore its just the money.


Your defo not the only person with problems with the PCYC...

back when i was trainin with them a few years ago we got the f all support for them. my 2 trainers did it for free and told the pcyc that they would walk away if the tried chargin anyone more then $10 a week for adults and $8 for jnr which they reluctanty agreed to but apart from that nothin at all.....

we got no help wit using the pcyc cars to travl for fights unless my trainers argued it out. we never once got support for accomodation, even when we fought at the 07 pcyc titles in Woolloomooloo. Yet they gave the gymnastics team whateva they wanted...

they seem to have it in for boxing at the pcyc

Edit: although sparring was always allowed and never a problem no matter how bloody my nose got lol.we also fought numerous times in the league as well due to lack of financial support to get to ABA fights that were generally further away

[andriy]

boxing has been removed from tweed heads (nsw) pcyc. has been there for over 15 years.

[ranser]

you gotta give it to some amateur trainers..
They train fighters and they receive no money at all.

[LeonMcS]

I disagree, I think we should be nice to them.

[TCboxa]

Hey Sam, i had that same problem m8 when i was there.

8$ for kids and $10 for adults, this was the same price as commercial gyms. Being that PCYC is non profit the prices didnt reflect this, i had the price droped to $4 for kids and $8 for adults.

The deal with alot of the PCYCs was they got support from their local council for a 1 dollar 100 year lease, i dont know the particulars but this is where the gold coin donation orignated from. ALL activities were to be gold coin donation.

Some managers are good and i think this is what it comes down to with support. During the duration i was there the place went through 3 managers, one of them was an azz and wouldnt spend a cent on boxing, however like you experianced already. This guy supported the gymnastics as the activity officer was the gymnastics coach, they spent money on boxes and boxes of gymnatic phamplets etc

The new manager was a former football ONM president, he was alot better, spent a few grand on the gym, got new gloves for the boys and thats how i welded up the new stations, purchased the steel , few new bags etc

The problem i had was the police making profit from the club, whilst guys like me just plug along for free. They had a police officer running his own Kickboxing Company in there, selling T shirts, private lessons etc, he would hire the gym out for 20$ an hr and have upto 14 people at a time, charging each one of them $12 per session plus membership joining fees.

They call these guys private facilitators, i had to fight tooth and nail to get more days because the private facilitator was given priority, i had to complain to PCYC boxing over it because no way should private facilitators have priority over PCYC members for use of the facilities. I Was basicly being kicked out of the gym on set days i had because this guy wanted them, i felt he was getting special treatment because he was a cop.

Im not sure if other gyms are allowing this but its a discrace to PCYC imo to allow a police officer to make profit from a non profit orgnisation.

[bushboy]

Yeah for sure, pcycs being run like a private gym is up to shit.
The whole idea is to get kids in who have no money and are therefore at risk of becoming an offender, if it costs them $12 a session to learn how to box or whatever it is the D was teaching it just defeats the purpose. The kids won't spend time at the pcyc because they cannot afford it.

When I was at Griffith pcyc the manager there made everyone pay $20 a week to go to boxing ( I had no objection to that, they do have expenses after all) but what gave me the shits was that she would pick certain kids and let them attend all classes for free because she felt they were 'at risk' kids, most of these blokes would turn up to the gym with a massive attitude, get free food and drink and act like dicks in general. Some also had boxing boots and shorts purchased for them for tournaments they never went to. What they needed was discipline, yet if she felt that they were treated too harshly she would take them out of the gym.
When I suggested that some kids who lived around my area were as keen as mustard to come up and learn how to box but couldnt afford it, she told me that unless she considers them to be 'at risk' they will have to find the money like everyone else.
Its not just killing amateur boxing its killing the Pcyc's and everything that they were established for

[Rodin]

Just to reflect on what I've read here, I find it so disappointing.

I don't mean to bore anyone with a "way back when" but it's worth the risk about the history.
In the early 50's, we had a free bus provided. A big bastard as well.

As luck would have it. It's route started 50 metres from my house in suburban Warrawong. It took us to the Police "citizens" boys club Nth Wollongong. It took off at 6PM & returned us home at 10. All free.

There were only about 10-12 regular kids, & over the two & a half years I went, it sometimes got down to just 2 or 3 of us, but the bus always done the route.

I remember there was a visit by some collar & tie goose.
The big no-nonsense Sarge that oversaw "discipline" told us that he wanted to see us do multiple sports. We went from boxing to wrestling to gymnastics then back to vigorous rope & bag work.
It nearly killed us but we had to put on a show for the visitor even though most of us were just there for the boxing.

The visitor says to the Sarge "Is this all the kids you have? the bus may be a waste of money"
He says, "These are school kids. they don't get home until 10 O'clock yet they still come. Do you know how much it costs to lock one of them up?"
The collar & tie recoiled.

The club made money with the Saturday night dance. The G'ment subsidised the rest.
Years later, with the advent of the little Nip buses, the local head of the now PCYC told me "The harder we work to raise money, the less we get off the government"

We used to pay him to take us to the football in Sydney. He drove the bus for nothing & the club got the funds.

Ever since some maggot introduced "User pays", & it hit the youth clubs, street Kids futures took a nose dive, & the maggots dropped that baby in the lap of the lawyers.

They're shameless ivory towered cunts.

[bushboy]

Yep, Its a shame alright.. sounds like a few fair dinkum men were running the show back then Rodin

[TCboxa]

great posts Bushboy & Pops,.. got anymore history on the "user pays" system Pops? were they going to go bust or something?

The at risk kids is a strange one Bushboy, very disruptive to the gym from my experiance which was short lived lol. One of the police officers brought in about 5 kids, 4 boys and 1 girl, none of them would listen to my directions and when i tried to put my foot down one of them wanted to fight me lol, i ended up kicking the lot of them out of the gym and told the police officeir never to bring thugs like that back into the gym, i wont teach guys like that how to box so they can go out on the town & get involved in unprovoked assaults.

I think the PCYC gets funding for so many at risk kids who attend the club, but at what expense to the community and the rest of the members? Surely they should be going through some rehabilitation program or similar before joining a normal functioning boxing gym.

Its not just killing amateur boxing its killing the Pcyc's and everything that they were established for

Sums it up well and spot on!

[20a87]

you gotta give it to some amateur trainers..
They train fighters and they receive no money at all.

100% agree :thumbsup

[boxoncottonon]

great posts Bushboy & Pops,..

I think the PCYC gets funding for so many at risk kids who attend the club, but at what expense to the community and the rest of the members? Surely they should be going through some rehabilitation program or similar before joining a normal functioning boxing gym.



Sums it up well and spot on!

What drugs are you on?
You still taking them with butter?
I have trained at a PYC (x2) and the shit you are talking is total fantasy.
You are in another planet.
Talk about this amongst yourself.

[TCboxa]

Im on the same planet everyone else whos been fcked over at PCYC is on Cotton! read the entire thread you goose lol

[Sydney Smutt]

No Ty you are not on the same planet as everybody else - no-one who "owns" a bloke by hacking his FB page then runs snivelling to mods when a bloke has a laugh at his expense by putting up a certain avitar is not on the same planet as everybody else!

[flamengo]

Thats a pretty mean statement. Ty is a very, very, very well mannered citizen. He treats people with great respect and looks UP to everyone... he has to... he's only 4' 3"....

[TCboxa]

You guys still not bored stalking me i see! Havent you guys got anything better to do?

You know Albert Einstein once said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

[LeonMcS]

Then you would do well to listen to Mr.Einstein.

[TCboxa]

Listen to the man fellas, his onto something here! lol

[Sydney Smutt]

I know that you are a simple person (I could not bring myself to use the term man in regards to you) and of limited intelligence and education Ty, but I don't think the occasional post in your direction really qualifies as stalking in anyone's language

[Chopper]

Thats a pretty mean statement. Ty is a very, very, very well mannered citizen. He treats people with great respect and looks UP to everyone... he has to... he's only 4' 3"....

No wonder why he's got such a big bark. Its like those little mexican dogs, those annoying lil' ankle biter dogs---my sister has one of 'em. Lil' bugger.

Anyhow, who's being stalked?

[zelky]

I once put you in contact with someone very high up in PCYC after you had abused him and put shit on him on the internet, and all you could do was further burn the bridge upon personal contact. What makes you think anyone below him in the organisation would take you seriously in an way after that?

What makes you think PCYC wants anything to do with a trainer who would instruct his fighter to kick his opponent in a boxing match...as you did?

[TCboxa]

What the hell are you talking about crack head? Go chase some UFO's lol

[zelky]

The world is reading...keep it up.

You do know what I am talking about. Answer the question.

[TCboxa]

Run fellas its the Gestapo! :rofl

Answer the question. Answer the question. :nono

[Super_Fly_Sam]

Im lost.... how and why has this thread gone from one about how some of the pcyc clubs out there are fuckin trainers and boxers around to a TC bashin thread??