View Full Version : What a joke stoppage AGAIN...
Strike
10-06-2007, 05:34 PM
How many ****** fighters get these?:roll:
Khan was winning easily, but please.....Lawton covered up well and could have taken a knee at any time. I was actually saying to my mate, he must take a knee.
But he was not being cracked on the chin or badly hurt and the ref jumps in...pathetic.
Still, props to Khan apart from getting caught in the first he looked pretty good, stepped off after doing some good work and his power is definitely advancing.
sandwichsurgeon
10-06-2007, 05:36 PM
****** may have to put him in with someone dangerous after that, shot himself in the foot a bit really.
Big Ears
10-06-2007, 05:37 PM
Compared with the shots Thaxton had to crack him with to get the ref to step in it was pretty tame . Those uppercuts were landing on the gloves but I don't feel too bad about the stoppage because it was only going one way , a bit like Calzaghe v Manfredo in that sense .
faisal
10-06-2007, 05:45 PM
they should hook him up with john Murray it should make for an interesting fight
mattress
10-06-2007, 05:49 PM
Those uppercuts were landing on the gloves.
You must have watched a different replay to me. The guy was taking needless shots and would have certainly got hurt. Anyway, he didn't seem to complain. Stupid matchup really, Lawton just didn't have the tools to finish Khan, even with his brittle chin. ****** needs to stop blowing smoke up our arses.
robpalmer135
10-06-2007, 05:49 PM
come of it he took 15 plus unanswerd shots, he could of taken a knee but he didn't and it didn't look like he was going to so the ref had to stop it. i didnt see any complaining for Lawton.
i wish people would get of Khans back, i dont think he will ever be a p4p top 10 but he will win a world title and im gonna support him. He will stop Earl, Thaxton and Romanov which ever of those 3 he fights next guarentee.
victorhugo4222
10-06-2007, 05:50 PM
Compared with the shots Thaxton had to crack him with to get the ref to step in it was pretty tame . Those uppercuts were landing on the gloves but I don't feel too bad about the stoppage because it was only going one way , a bit like Calzaghe v Manfredo in that sense .
Yeah totally agree was only a matter of time before khan did eventually start landing cleanly lawton looked to have frozen tonight imo.
im not a fan of khan but i must admite there was a big improvement tonight to the limond fight though pretty hard to tell just how much hes improved as lawton just didnt look as if he was up for it tonight.
Didnt know khans next fight, 8th Dec, is his 21st birthday which means he can fight for the British now doesnt it? FW said his next opponent will be announced on thursday and could be another defence of his title OR fight for another title anyone think they will through him in with thaxton? or just another publicity stunt.
1 last point whats all this about 2 rising stars on a collision course thihng on the posters for tonights fight with kevin mitchell on it? surely theres no way FW would put 2 of his undefeated young fighters who hes been keeping away from everyone in together? anyone know what that was about?
rydersonthestorm
10-06-2007, 05:52 PM
How was it a bullshit stoppage if you are stood their getting hit and throwing nothing back, not defending yourself the ref stops the fight. I think kahn would destroy thaxton, he is about a million times more talented and although thaxton has bit of power he's hardly julian jackson.
Boro chris
10-06-2007, 05:59 PM
How many ****** fighters get these?:roll:
Khan was winning easily, but please.....Lawton covered up well and could have taken a knee at any time. I was actually saying to my mate, he must take a knee.
But he was not being cracked on the chin or badly hurt and the ref jumps in...pathetic.
Still, props to Khan apart from getting caught in the first he looked pretty good, stepped off after doing some good work and his power is definitely advancing.
I've seen far worse stoppages.
Usually involving ****** fighters though!:D
Charles187
10-06-2007, 06:03 PM
I've seen far worse stoppages.
Usually involving ****** fighters though!:D
Very true - that was fine for me.
Bluenose
10-06-2007, 06:07 PM
Nothing wrong with that stoppage whatsoever. Khan was raining down unanswered blows and Lawton was taking some damage from my perspective. Nothing too serious but there was no way back for him.
What annoyed me was the fact that he in there in the first place but we shall leave that debate for another time...
dwilson
10-06-2007, 06:19 PM
Lawton had already been hurt a few times before the stoppage and he did not look too bothered when the ref called an holt to it.
PrideOfWales
10-06-2007, 06:26 PM
Stoppage a little premature but the outcome would have been the same.
GazOC
10-06-2007, 06:46 PM
They've just interviewed Lawton (who came across VERY well BTW) and he said it was a good stoppage and the ref did a great job.
Big Ears
10-06-2007, 06:48 PM
He will stop Earl, Thaxton and Romanov which ever of those 3 he fights next guarentee.
Earl I agree , Thaxton it's possible but I'd disagree.............but Romanov ?
Anyone who thinks Khan beats let alone stops Romanov is either (a) delusional or (b) only seen Romanov fight Graham Earl .
Max Molyneux
10-06-2007, 06:48 PM
Lawton looked like he didn't come to win.
Max Molyneux
10-06-2007, 06:49 PM
Earl I agree , Thaxton it's possible but I'd disagree.............but Romanov ?
Anyone who thinks Khan beats let alone stops Romanov is either (a) delusional or (b) only seen Romanov fight Graham Earl .
Earl has a better chance than Thaxton.
dwilson
10-06-2007, 06:50 PM
Romanov is not the monster that some people think and if he was to fight Earl again we would get the same result, Thaxton would win by ko.
Claypole
10-06-2007, 06:55 PM
It was only the ropes stopping Lawton from hitting the deck, so really the ref should have given a count. No complaints really though, Lawton had not come to fight and didn't really offer any kind of challenge.
Not surprising really considering he was coming off a stoppage loss.
I don't believe any real boxing fan has succumbed to the Amir Khan hype.
rydersonthestorm
10-06-2007, 06:57 PM
I don't get why all you people seem to hate amir kahn he is a talented guy and is improving all the time, give him a few more fights and i think he will be ready for a european title shot. It's the same with half of the british fighters we just get people trying to bring them down, if most of you had a 10th of amir kahn's talent you would be pleased so why do you want a young talented british fighter to lose ????????
Big Ears
10-06-2007, 07:10 PM
Romanov is not the monster that some people think and if he was to fight Earl again we would get the same result, Thaxton would win by ko.
Romanov would stop Earl if he fought him again , and that's what he probably would of done in the first fight had he'd been active .
Max I'm aware you normally don't see that many of the Sky bills but did see Thaxton's fight last night which is why I assume you think Earl would have a better chance but Jon was poor last night and fought much better against Meager and Lawton . But I'd still give last nights Thaxton a better chance anyway just down to styles , power and imo Thaxton taking a better shot than Earl(which is an important factor in beating Khan as he seems to have a decent punch on him) .
Max Molyneux
10-06-2007, 07:16 PM
I've seen all the sky bills lately, my pops now has all the channels so I watch them now. Thaxton's hooks are too wild to barely land on Khan, they were nearly as bad as Buster Keeton's against Hobson.
Thaxton would be eating shots as he does that head movement with only one hand up.
Khan tries to flurry Earl on the ropes and Earl might land like he did on Katsidis.
Limond's shots were more accurate than Thaxton's, thats why he was having sucess when he dropped Khan.
Claypole
10-06-2007, 07:23 PM
so why do you want a young talented british fighter to lose ????????Khan had loads of support in the Olympics, but back then he was a respectful, humble kid. Now he's turned pro and put a string of wins together he thinks he can shoot his mouth off, and it does not suit him.
I don't think people dislike Khan, but lot of people would like to see him beaten, if only so he can learn a bit of respect. And to see the look on Frank ******'s face.
rydersonthestorm
10-06-2007, 07:32 PM
Why does he need to learn respect, i don't get what people are going on about, he seems fine to me, it's not like he's turning into the next hamed in those terms. I think people are just hating on him for no good reason, people like thaxton etc can say what they like but when kahn says something half of you lot go on about how arrogant he is. I doubt if you met him you would think he was arrogant, he seems like a nice guy to me. In regards to people like naz and eubank they where both very arrogant before they had any successand he isn't exactly like that is he?
tony628
10-06-2007, 07:38 PM
Why does he need to learn respect, i don't get what people are going on about, he seems fine to me, it's not like he's turning into the next hamed in those terms. I think people are just hating on him for no good reason, people like thaxton etc can say what they like but when kahn says something half of you lot go on about how arrogant he is. I doubt if you met him you would think he was arrogant, he seems like a nice guy to me. In regards to people like naz and eubank they where both very arrogant before they had any successand he isn't exactly like that is he?
why?
BECAUSE THERE FUCKIN RACIST:fire
GazOC
10-06-2007, 07:39 PM
He seems like a nice kid to me. I'd guess fighting for ****** is causing at least some of this ill-feeling amongst hardcore boxing fans?
Max Molyneux
10-06-2007, 07:43 PM
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Claypole
10-06-2007, 07:45 PM
He seems like a nice kid to me. I'd guess fighting for ****** is causing at least some of this ill-feeling amongst hardcore boxing fans?He does seem to be a nice lad, but he has been talking some rubbish recently. After getting put down and nearly out by Limond he claimed he could beat Floyd Mayweather. That kind of garbage is bound to attract scorn.
GazOC
10-06-2007, 07:45 PM
I don't remember seeing that quote?
steelem
10-06-2007, 07:46 PM
i cant belive how crap that oppenent was - i would do a better job than that joke & ive never boxed!!!
Claypole
10-06-2007, 07:46 PM
why?
BECAUSE THERE FUCKIN RACIST:fireWhat the fuck are you talking about?
rydersonthestorm
10-06-2007, 07:48 PM
No he said he could fight mayweather or any other top fighter over 4 rounds, which is pretty much saying he could spar with floyd and not look foolish. Also mayweather and many other fighters talk abit of shit and it hasn't done him that much harm is it as p4p number 1 and modern great.
Claypole
10-06-2007, 07:49 PM
I don't remember seeing that quote?Are you referring to the Mayweather claim? Somebody here posted a link to the interview where he claimed he could get the better of him over 4 rounds.
GazOC
10-06-2007, 07:51 PM
i cant belive how crap that oppenent was - i would do a better job than that joke & ive never boxed!!!
He had limited ways of winning, he can't punch so his only hope was to take the fight into the latter rounds. He failed to do that but that doesn't make him crap.
GazOC
10-06-2007, 07:54 PM
Are you referring to the Mayweather claim? Somebody here posted a link to the interview where he claimed he could get the better of him over 4 rounds.
Not a totally ridicoulous claim given Floyds punch output/ activity levels these days.;)
Anyhoo, you never said anything a bit daft when you were 21?:D
Dunky McCafferty
10-06-2007, 08:08 PM
Sorry to join the debate so late, but im just back from my friends house.(yes, I have a friend;) )
Anyway, when the fight was stopped I was shaking my head in disbelief, & moaning about what a shitty stoppage it was. Then, when they showed the replays afterwards I had to admit I was wrong, cos from different angles you could see it was actually a good stoppage.
from the angle I seen it from first it was kinda side on, & Khans uppercuts looked as though they were being blocked on lawtons gloves, & Lawton even threw a left hook back. From the replays though, every uppercut was in fact landing, & when Lawton threw his left back, he was tagged again, & then Khan steamed into him some more, forcing the ref to save Lawton.
BTW, I would just like to say how good did Khan look? I thought he was excellent. I mean Lawton is no mug, but Khan simply blew him away.
For a relative novice, Khan is building a great looking record, & hes only going to get better! I have always said khan will win a world title at least much to the scorn of many, but if Khan keeps blowing away opponents like this at a young age, its frightening to think how good this lad will become in the future.
Dare I say it, a future superstar of the sport perhaps?
PrideOfWales
10-06-2007, 08:12 PM
Sorry to join the debate so late, but im just back from my friends house.(yes, I have a friend;) )
Anyway, when the fight was stopped I was shaking my head in disbelief, & moaning about what a shitty stoppage it was. Then, when they showed the replays afterwards I had to admit I was wrong, cos from different angles you could see it was actually a good stoppage.
from the angle I seen it from first it was kinda side on, & Khans uppercuts looked as though they were being blocked on lawtons gloves, & Lawton even threw a left hook back. From the replays though, every uppercut was in fact landing, & when Lawton threw his left back, he was tagged again, & then Khan steamed into him some more, forcing the ref to save Lawton.
BTW, I would just like to say how good did Khan look? I thought he was excellent. I mean Lawton is no mug, but Khan simply blew him away.
For a relative novice, Khan is building a great looking record, & hes only going to get better! I have always said khan will win a world title at least much to the scorn of many, but if Khan keeps blowing away opponents like this at a young age, its frightening to think how good this lad will become in the future.
Dare I say it, a future superstar of the sport perhaps?
There's no doubt he has a lot of raw talent and speed. He showed some composure tonight which is a further step in the right direction for him. But he's still got a fragile little beard, that, just cannot be improved. That little Scotch guy proved that last time.
GazOC
10-06-2007, 08:18 PM
That little Scotch guy proved that last time.
Dunkies gonna get ya for that.....;)
Claypole
10-06-2007, 08:20 PM
I don't get why all you people seem to hate amir kahn I don't hate or even dislike him, and if he was fighting for a major title against an overseas fighter then I would actually be rooting for him.
As it is at the moment though, he has a dodgy chin, is over confident and is over hyped. That's usually enough for people to want to see a fighter beat.
PrideOfWales
10-06-2007, 08:20 PM
Dunkies gonna get ya for that.....;)
:huh
GazOC
10-06-2007, 08:28 PM
:huh
Calling Scots, 'Scotch' is a great way to wind them up, they hate it!!:lol:
Scotch is a drink.....;)
Dunky McCafferty
10-06-2007, 08:31 PM
There's no doubt he has a lot of raw talent and speed. He showed some composure tonight which is a further step in the right direction for him. But he's still got a fragile little beard, that, just cannot be improved. That little Scotch guy proved that last time.
To be honest, Im not with the vast majority of people who think he has a glass jaw. Limond hit him with some great shots before during & after the knockdown. As khan said himself, sometimes you get caught & go down, thats boxing! & I agree with him. Its about what you show when you get hit & hurt that counts. I wouldnt say hes got a chin like scrap iron Ryan, now THAT was a glass jaw!
I warned people here that Limond was a dangerous opponent for Khan beforehand, that was the fight that would make or break Khan. It so nearly broke him, but he pulled through & it made him, as he said himself tonight.
Fuck, I need to have a lie down, I sound like a Khan fanboy:lol:
But seriously though folks, I speak about Khan as a neutral who couldnt give a shit if he wins or gets beat unless hes fighting a scotsman of course;) , Im just giving an honest assesment of the guy as a fighter. & so far? He looks like the real deal IMO. Just look at some of the names on his record already, then have a look at his age & how long he has been a pro, its impressive no matter what spin anyone puts on it.
PrideOfWales
10-06-2007, 08:33 PM
Calling Scots, 'Scotch' is a great way to wind them up, they hate it!!:lol:
Scotch is a drink.....;)
He's probably had too many Tennents tonight to know the difference himself! Or is it Skol up there?
GazOC
10-06-2007, 08:35 PM
Sometimes it's easier to take one big shot from a puncher than two or three from a light puncher. He just got hit by a couple of good shots in quick succession and went down. As Dunky says, it happens....
Dunky McCafferty
10-06-2007, 08:35 PM
Calling Scots, 'Scotch' is a great way to wind them up, they hate it!!:lol:
Scotch is a drink.....;)
Exactly. But im kinda used to it now, in my years posting here I have been called 'scotch' by just about every nationality I can think of! I think most of 'em dont mean it though bless 'em!
PrideOfWales
10-06-2007, 08:43 PM
To be honest, Im not with the vast majority of people who think he has a glass jaw. Limond hit him with some great shots before during & after the knockdown. As khan said himself, sometimes you get caught & go down, thats boxing! & I agree with him. Its about what you show when you get hit & hurt that counts. I wouldnt say hes got a chin like scrap iron Ryan, now THAT was a glass jaw!
I warned people here that Limond was a dangerous opponent for Khan beforehand, that was the fight that would make or break Khan. It so nearly broke him, but he pulled through & it made him, as he said himself tonight.
Fuck, I need to have a lie down, I sound like a Khan fanboy:lol:
But seriously though folks, I speak about Khan as a neutral who couldnt give a shit if he wins or gets beat unless hes fighting a scotsman of course;) , Im just giving an honest assesment of the guy as a fighter. & so far? He looks like the real deal IMO. Just look at some of the names on his record already, then have a look at his age & how long he has been a pro, its impressive no matter what spin anyone puts on it.
But that question mark will always be there about him. Limond was a very good test for Khan and I give him credit for stopping him but Limond hardly has a great (T)KO record himself. I get the impression when watching Khan box that he is absolutely shit scared of getting hit. Now that is partly a good thing because it's not a good idea to let someone clock you willingly but it also shows how unconfident Khan is about is own ability to absorb punishment. I also think that Limond was possibly one of just 2 guys Amir's faced that genuinely thought they could win the fight. When Khan steps up against people with ambition, I think he'll be found wanting. He's just too easy to hit, and with that chin, it's only a matter of time and silly matchmaking from Sports Network. I still think he'll be a decent fringe world level boxer, but nothing more.
China_hand_Joe
10-06-2007, 08:44 PM
Scotch is a drink.....;)
It is the most understandable mistake in the world, they probably even take it as a compliment.
The stoppage was fine, I'd have let him land two or three more punches perhaps, but it wasn't a joke stoppage.
GazOC
10-06-2007, 08:58 PM
But that question mark will always be there about him. Limond was a very good test for Khan and I give him credit for stopping him but Limond hardly has a great (T)KO record himself. I get the impression when watching Khan box that he is absolutely shit scared of getting hit. Now that is partly a good thing because it's not a good idea to let someone clock you willingly but it also shows how unconfident Khan is about is own ability to absorb punishment. I also think that Limond was possibly one of just 2 guys Amir's faced that genuinely thought they could win the fight. When Khan steps up against people with ambition, I think he'll be found wanting. He's just too easy to hit, and with that chin, it's only a matter of time and silly matchmaking from Sports Network. I still think he'll be a decent fringe world level boxer, but nothing more.
I was watching on TV and it didn't help the commentator screaming everytime Khan took a shot like it was some kind of shock that a boxer gets hit.
Dunky McCafferty
10-06-2007, 09:23 PM
I was watching on TV and it didn't help the commentator screaming everytime Khan took a shot like it was some kind of shock that a boxer gets hit.
Rawling was poor I thought, seemed to be getting overexcited anytime Lawton threw a punch in anger, I had the feeling he was wanting Lawton to win.
& then there was his comments at the end of the fight about how lawton 'may or may not be a better fighter than Limond' Come on! Limond gave Khan a helluva fight, Lawton was completely overwhelmed.
I dont know what Rawling was on, well in fact I do. He was on Lawtons dick all night!
& then there was Duke, who told us "styles make fights" during the Bell fight:patsch
I could fuckin scream everytime a commentator or his sidekick spits out that well worn boxing cliche:twisted: As if we dont fuckin know that styles make fights!!!
& then there was Barry burnt hand, whats the point of him being there? Big grins & telling us that Khan was awesome, then back off to Setanta for his next paycheque!
Strike
10-06-2007, 09:23 PM
Sorry to join the debate so late, but im just back from my friends house.(yes, I have a friend;) )
Anyway, when the fight was stopped I was shaking my head in disbelief, & moaning about what a shitty stoppage it was. Then, when they showed the replays afterwards I had to admit I was wrong, cos from different angles you could see it was actually a good stoppage.
from the angle I seen it from first it was kinda side on, & Khans uppercuts looked as though they were being blocked on lawtons gloves, & Lawton even threw a left hook back. From the replays though, every uppercut was in fact landing, & when Lawton threw his left back, he was tagged again, & then Khan steamed into him some more, forcing the ref to save Lawton.
BTW, I would just like to say how good did Khan look? I thought he was excellent. I mean Lawton is no mug, but Khan simply blew him away.
For a relative novice, Khan is building a great looking record, & hes only going to get better! I have always said khan will win a world title at least much to the scorn of many, but if Khan keeps blowing away opponents like this at a young age, its frightening to think how good this lad will become in the future.
Dare I say it, a future superstar of the sport perhaps?
I will take that as fair enough. I did not see any replays.
To me...it looked like a count or wait till he got dropped.
It was no Morrison v Mercer. And anyone saying I hate Khan or I am racist is plain stupid. I have writtten fight reports for Amir Khans official site, so please don't bother with that shite.
It looked premature to me and he did not look fucked, as soon as the ref stepped in, he stood up and smiled and looked fine.
But I am happy to accept I need to watch it again.
And I take nothing away from Khan, he did in 4 what Thaxton took 7 to do and he has DEFINITELY improved his power and he looked more composed than last time around.
Lawton was a perfectly acceptable opponent, a slight step down from Limond but still a solid pro and I have no issues with the fight. Khan should indeed now be looking for Thaxton, I felt he would be stopped before and he still might, but he has the tools to outbox and stop Thaxton and likewise must be wary because Thaxton could starch him...
That is exactly the sort of nerve inducing and yet winnable fight he needs.
GazOC
10-06-2007, 09:29 PM
Rawling was poor I thought, seemed to be getting overexcited anytime Lawton threw a punch in anger, I had the feeling he was wanting Lawton to win.
& then there was his comments at the end of the fight about how lawton 'may or may not be a better fighter than Limond' Come on! Limond gave Khan a helluva fight, Lawton was completely overwhelmed.
I dont know what Rawling was on, well in fact I do. He was on Lawtons dick all night!
& then there was Duke, who told us "styles make fights" during the Bell fight:patsch
I could fuckin scream everytime a commentator or his sidekick spits out that well worn boxing cliche:twisted: As if we dont fuckin know that styles make fights!!!
Duke came out with another classic, "Kahns winning the fight in every quarter...the inside and the er...outside..":lol:
I think Rawling was so keen to have something dramatic or shocking to commentate on that he was just convincing himself that Khan was going to get wobbled or dropped at any minute.
PrideOfWales
10-06-2007, 09:48 PM
Duke came out with another classic, "Kahns winning the fight in every quarter...the inside and the er...outside..":lol:
I think Rawling was so keen to have something dramatic or shocking to commentate on that he was just convincing himself that Khan was going to get wobbled or dropped at any minute.
Duke rarely starts a sentance and ends it how he would have anticipated. He gets excited about something else halfway through and loses his train of though. I particularly liked his comment during the 12th round of Calzaghe-Lacy:
"He's got him again John! One more punch and this fight is... thank you and goodnight"
and:
"Clinton Woods, almost the nearly man of British boxing"
I'm sure there are better examples but that one made me laugh at the time.
Dunky McCafferty
10-06-2007, 09:57 PM
I will take that as fair enough. I did not see any replays.
To me...it looked like a count or wait till he got dropped.
It was no Morrison v Mercer. And anyone saying I hate Khan or I am racist is plain stupid. I have writtten fight reports for Amir Khans official site, so please don't bother with that shite.
It looked premature to me and he did not look fucked, as soon as the ref stepped in, he stood up and smiled and looked fine.
But I am happy to accept I need to watch it again.
And I take nothing away from Khan, he did in 4 what Thaxton took 7 to do and he has DEFINITELY improved his power and he looked more composed than last time around.
Lawton was a perfectly acceptable opponent, a slight step down from Limond but still a solid pro and I have no issues with the fight. Khan should indeed now be looking for Thaxton, I felt he would be stopped before and he still might, but he has the tools to outbox and stop Thaxton and likewise must be wary because Thaxton could starch him...
That is exactly the sort of nerve inducing and yet winnable fight he needs.
As I say my good man, its just my opinion, you might see a replay & still think it was a tad soft. After all, it was scotsman Victor Laughlan who was reffing, & hes given Khan a dodgy stoppage win before, at the Braehead arena. I was there!
Near the end of the broadcast they interviewed Lawton, & he was also happy with the stoppage. Lawton said that he asked his trainer if he could see his ribs in Row Z after Khan hit him with a bodyshot, & said he was shocked with Khans strength, & said he was still a bit winded! Then Lawton said he thought Khan was better than Thaxton, in fact he was all too gushing with the compliments:think
Im taking the view that Khan shocked him with how good he was with a materclass but I can understand some of the cynicism about the fight. But as it was an all england fight, for once its not my argument:happy & I can take a chill pill as Achilles advised just two short days ago:D
PS, Its time to come clean, I did see those video clips of yours! I just thought I would leave you & Gaz sweating for a while as you were both baying for my blood;)
GazOC
10-06-2007, 10:07 PM
PS, Its time to come clean, I did see those video clips of yours! I just thought I would leave you & Gaz sweating for a while as you were both baying for my blood;)
:lol:You fucker! I'd sussed in the end you'd seen the clip and wern't admitting it but you really had me going in that original thread!!!!!:good
I can't beleive I told you to check your Winamp settings.....:lol:
valdez
10-06-2007, 11:01 PM
But that question mark will always be there about him. Limond was a very good test for Khan and I give him credit for stopping him but Limond hardly has a great (T)KO record himself. I get the impression when watching Khan box that he is absolutely shit scared of getting hit. Now that is partly a good thing because it's not a good idea to let someone clock you willingly but it also shows how unconfident Khan is about is own ability to absorb punishment. I also think that Limond was possibly one of just 2 guys Amir's faced that genuinely thought they could win the fight. When Khan steps up against people with ambition, I think he'll be found wanting. He's just too easy to hit, and with that chin, it's only a matter of time and silly matchmaking from Sports Network. I still think he'll be a decent fringe world level boxer, but nothing more.
Not bein funny.. but I don't understand how you can say that he will be nothing more about a 20/21 year old with such raw talent.. He has some serious potential and will only get better.. you can't predict how good he could be at that age.. As Lawton himself said.. He wanted to catch him at the start of his career because he's still making mistakes.. a few years from now and he'll be way past that level.. and he still got raped..
brown bomber
10-07-2007, 02:28 AM
Anyone who doesn't think he was a class act last night needs to re-evaluate why they watch boxing... easily his best display do far in terms of balance, ring genralship and defence.
dwilson
10-07-2007, 02:38 AM
Anyone who doesn't think he was a class act last night needs to re-evaluate why they watch boxing... easily his best display do far in terms of balance, ring genralship and defence.
The kid did look really good last night and he actually tried to hold a guard at times untill t became obvious that Lawton was not going to punch him.
Lawton looked to be a decent opponent for this stage in his career but that guy was bad.
It is a shame that Thaxton was so bad last night because when and if the two are put together I can not see past Khan winning by an early ko.
SevenSamurai
10-07-2007, 02:55 AM
Nothing wrong with that stoppage whatsoever. Khan was raining down unanswered blows and Lawton was taking some damage from my perspective. Nothing too serious but there was no way back for him.
What annoyed me was the fact that he in there in the first place but we shall leave that debate for another time...
:good
Lawton was very very poor and a step back in quality from Limmond.
the stoppage was valid. but only because lawton didn't take a knee...he was slumped against the ropes, covering up but still getting caught and not answering back. not too disimiliar to when anthony small got stopped by pryce
SevenSamurai
10-07-2007, 05:43 AM
the stoppage was valid. but only because lawton didn't take a knee...he was slumped against the ropes, covering up but still getting caught and not answering back. not too disimiliar to when anthony small got stopped by pryce
No anthony small against pryce was robbery, that was never a stoppage.:twisted:
Strike
10-07-2007, 06:47 AM
PS, Its time to come clean, I did see those video clips of yours! I just thought I would leave you & Gaz sweating for a while as you were both baying for my blood;)
:lol:
I knew it you cheeky haggis chomper. So what do you say about that incident now? I don't expect you to like Hatton, but do you at least admit he was not the vindictive cunt who tried to disrespect Arthur?
LeedsLad
10-07-2007, 06:54 AM
That stoppage was fine. Just like Manfredo, if you wanna sit on the ropes just covering up and leaving about 20-30 punches unanswered, dont cry when it gets stopped.
Strike
10-07-2007, 07:09 AM
I felt the Manfredo stoppage was appalling and I stand by that. I think it is Lawtons fault he got stopped because he did not take a knee, but until I see it again I am not happy with it. Basically if a guy is like Castillo in his first fight with Corrales, where his hands drop and clean shots are raining in, stop it.
If the guy is not really hitting back but covering up and not having clean shots rock his head then don't stop it. The ref who stopped Manfredo would have stopped Ali in the Rumble of the Jungle based on that logic.
Nemesis
10-07-2007, 07:10 AM
I felt the Manfredo stoppage was appalling and I stand by that. I think it is Lawtons fault he got stopped because he did not take a knee, but until I see it again I am not happy with it. Basically if a guy is like Castillo in his first fight with Corrales, where his hands drop and clean shots are raining in, stop it.
If the guy is not really hitting back but covering up and not having clean shots rock his head then don't stop it. The ref who stopped Manfredo would have stopped Ali in the Rumble of the Jungle based on that logic.
thank fuck, british ref's dont referee any big fights in America
Claypole
10-07-2007, 07:13 AM
Lawton had hardly come to fight, he wasn't about to start right at the end. People are only saying it was a bullshit stoppage because they didn't get their money's worth.
Why does he need to learn respect, i don't get what people are going on about, he seems fine to me, it's not like he's turning into the next hamed in those terms. I think people are just hating on him for no good reason, people like thaxton etc can say what they like but when kahn says something half of you lot go on about how arrogant he is. I doubt if you met him you would think he was arrogant, he seems like a nice guy to me. In regards to people like naz and eubank they where both very arrogant before they had any successand he isn't exactly like that is he?
its the arrogant media that sniff around his ass, i seem to remember a statement at the end of fight speach " british sport is thriving, the english rugby side winning against argentina, then khan winning, then OUR lewis hamilton in the morning"......... no mention of any other BRITISH country doin well like......... hold.......hold....hold, my homeland scotland their is such a buzz up here just now but the media seem to dismiss us yet again.
Q the haters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:hey
why?
BECAUSE THERE FUCKIN RACIST:fire
you cant play that card mate come on now that may be the case elsewhere but dont bring it to the forum...... i read on another thread that khan was gettin it tight at the fight so you may have a case but i'm pretty sure no one would say racist stuff on the forum they would be struck off.
If Lawton had put in a more convincing display before the stoppage then it may have been a little premature but he hadn't and the fight was only going one way so I don't have any problem with it - the result was inevitable.
Khan looked impressive but Lawton was disappointing - didn't look like he was there to win, hardly threw anything meaningful, failed to use his experience, very poor. In terms of his performance on the night he was one of the worst opponents I have seen Khan in with. That is harsh for me but justified I feel particularly considering he was challenging for a Title on prime time TV.
stake501
10-07-2007, 08:27 AM
stoppage imo was a tad premature....but that fight was going one way and quickly.
good performance from the lad...he seems to be learning quickly
rydersonthestorm
10-07-2007, 11:05 AM
Khan's english though, so he is gonna shout out to the english teams, also scotland have not got through to the semi yet were as england beat austalia a side they where big underdogs against.
Dunky McCafferty
10-07-2007, 06:45 PM
:lol:
I knew it you cheeky haggis chomper. So what do you say about that incident now? I don't expect you to like Hatton, but do you at least admit he was not the vindictive cunt who tried to disrespect Arthur?
Yes. yes I do.
However, the sombreroless man was Billy Graham, so Im still fuckin angry.
But your boy Ricky was innocent. I may be a bastard, but I am only after the real culprit... Is that so bad?
GazOC
10-07-2007, 06:52 PM
Yes. yes I do.
However, the sombreroless man was Billy Graham, so Im still fuckin angry.
But your boy Ricky was innocent. I may be a bastard, but I am only after the real culprit... Is that so bad?
Did Graham have a sombero in the first place?
Dunky McCafferty
10-07-2007, 07:00 PM
Did Graham have a sombero in the first place?
You could also ask was Hatton holding Gomez sombrero?
we will never know:D But it sure is fun trying to find out where that sombrero flung onto Arthur came from dont you think gaz?
& although im making light of the situation at this moment Gaz my good man, it still irks me that some prick did that to Arthur. & no way was it a fan, cos he couldnt have gotten into the ring & thrown the sombrero onto Arthur so quickly.
Strike
10-07-2007, 07:05 PM
You could also ask was Hatton holding Gomez sombrero?
we will never know:D But it sure is fun trying to find out where that sombrero flung onto Arthur came from dont you think gaz?
& although im making light of the situation at this moment Gaz my good man, it still irks me that some prick did that to Arthur. & no way was it a fan, cos he couldnt have gotten into the ring & thrown the sombrero onto Arthur so quickly.
I have also seen another angle where the sombrero lands....and it is thrown from outside the ring...I saw it come over the top rope...therefore it could easily have been anyone in the front row or just behind. Best bet is one of Gomez's boys sat ringside.
Dunky McCafferty
10-07-2007, 07:22 PM
I have also seen another angle where the sombrero lands....and it is thrown from outside the ring...I saw it come over the top rope...therefore it could easily have been anyone in the front row or just behind. Best bet is one of Gomez's boys sat ringside.
Look, I admitted defeat on this one. I could have easlily faked innocence, so please dont try to patronise me with all this "I seen it from another angle"
I got the fight on tape mate, no other angle exists!
but I dont blame you for trying Strike;)
Strike
10-07-2007, 07:32 PM
Look, I admitted defeat on this one. I could have easlily faked innocence, so please dont try to patronise me with all this "I seen it from another angle"
I got the fight on tape mate, no other angle exists!
but I dont blame you for trying Strike;)
Really? Like no other angle existed where Hatton was proved innocent? So are you saying you always knew Hatton was innocent and you have just lied for the past 18 months?:huh
The first time I saw the link it was a different one to the one I posted the other day and you clearly saw the hat fly over the top rope. I have no reason to lie, because I don't care who did it, and you have already accepted it was not Hatton.
Maybe it was Graham I don't know, all I am saying is that the person who threw it was not up on the ring apron when it was thrown. It neither clears or frames anyone, just means that it could have come from one of Gomezs boys sat ringside.
Dunky McCafferty
10-07-2007, 08:01 PM
Really? Like no other angle existed where Hatton was proved innocent? So are you saying you always knew Hatton was innocent and you have just lied for the past 18 months?:huh
The first time I saw the link it was a different one to the one I posted the other day and you clearly saw the hat fly over the top rope. I have no reason to lie, because I don't care who did it, and you have already accepted it was not Hatton.
Maybe it was Graham I don't know, all I am saying is that the person who threw it was not up on the ring apron when it was thrown. It neither clears or frames anyone, just means that it could have come from one of Gomezs boys sat ringside.
Oh for fucks sake, calm down strike! I was only having a laugh, & quit with all the liar stuff. see what i said about you being egotistical? Take a chill pill FFS. GazOC knew I was only having a laugh(I hope), now I wish I had never bothered trying to have a bit of fun. Would you have preferred if I just fucked you about & acted like a twat & never admitted seeing your vids? & I thought we shared a bit of mutual unerstanding & respect? Wasnt I wrong!
What the fuck happened to you? you used to be OK, obviously all that ass kissing you receive on the Lounge from your teenage fan club has made you forget yourself somewhat, & made you forget who your real friends are.
IronBull
10-07-2007, 08:25 PM
Dunky McCafferty.. dude.. calm down man.
Dunky McCafferty
10-07-2007, 08:37 PM
Dunky McCafferty.. dude.. calm down man.
Why? So people can talk shit about me? NO WAY.
Thats like asking a fighter fighting out of his own country to take a dive to appease the locals.
Not my style at all. if anyone has any issues with me, feel free to bring it up & we will discuss it. Please, no patronising 'calm down' comments unless you can back it up with a reason to match.
man, I get the feeling Im not wanted on ESB anymore:lol:
PowerPuncher
10-07-2007, 08:42 PM
Oh for fucks sake, calm down strike! I was only having a laugh, & quit with all the liar stuff. see what i said about you being egotistical? Take a chill pill FFS. GazOC knew I was only having a laugh(I hope), now I wish I had never bothered trying to have a bit of fun. Would you have preferred if I just fucked you about & acted like a twat & never admitted seeing your vids? & I thought we shared a bit of mutual unerstanding & respect? Wasnt I wrong!
What the fuck happened to you? you used to be OK, obviously all that ass kissing you receive on the Lounge from your teenage fan club has made you forget yourself somewhat, & made you forget who your real friends are.
:lol: I laughed anyway at this at least mate
What happened with Arthur and a sombero and what does a sombero have to do with anything?
GazOC
10-07-2007, 09:49 PM
GazOC knew I was only having a laugh(I hope)
Sure, I found Sombrerogate quite a giggle!!:good
Its like being on the grassy knoll in Dallas just after JFK was shot...
italian dragon
10-07-2007, 10:23 PM
Compared with the shots Thaxton had to crack him with to get the ref to step in it was pretty tame . Those uppercuts were landing on the gloves but I don't feel too bad about the stoppage because it was only going one way , a bit like Calzaghe v Manfredo in that sense .
I have to agree. I see no point in a boxer with no chance, being possibly seriously injured, to sate the blood lust of the boxing public.
Strike
10-08-2007, 05:21 AM
Oh for fucks sake, calm down strike! I was only having a laugh, & quit with all the liar stuff. see what i said about you being egotistical? Take a chill pill FFS. GazOC knew I was only having a laugh(I hope), now I wish I had never bothered trying to have a bit of fun. Would you have preferred if I just fucked you about & acted like a twat & never admitted seeing your vids? & I thought we shared a bit of mutual unerstanding & respect? Wasnt I wrong!
What the fuck happened to you? you used to be OK, obviously all that ass kissing you receive on the Lounge from your teenage fan club has made you forget yourself somewhat, & made you forget who your real friends are.
What are you on about? I just don't know when you are joking..it is nothing to do with being egotistical. I was simply trying to add to your comments about who might have thrown the hat, and said that I had seen it come over the top rope, so it could have been anyone from the front row.
You then said I was lying because you had the fight and there were no such shots, I didn't get the joke.....
I wasn't having a pop until I thought you were saying that you had always had the fight which would clearly have meant you always knew the Hatton stuff was nonsense. I have a mututal respect I just cannot always tell when you are being serious.
AllyT
10-08-2007, 08:01 AM
I felt the stoppage was fair, as it was for Manfredo. British referees have a stronger desire to protect the boxer. For both these boxers the fight was over as they were not able to respond to relentless combinations. In the USA the tendency is to wait until the boxer is damaged. Tellingly Khans opponent had no complaints regarding his stoppage.
NOrth
10-08-2007, 08:26 AM
I didnt think it was too premature, there was no other outcome, to be fair Lawton wasnt firing back, instead he was taking shots on the ropes. They werent Khans usual flurry type shots either, he was picking his shots much better on Saturday.
Dunky McCafferty
10-08-2007, 11:50 PM
What are you on about? I just don't know when you are joking..it is nothing to do with being egotistical. I was simply trying to add to your comments about who might have thrown the hat, and said that I had seen it come over the top rope, so it could have been anyone from the front row.
You then said I was lying because you had the fight and there were no such shots, I didn't get the joke.....
I wasn't having a pop until I thought you were saying that you had always had the fight which would clearly have meant you always knew the Hatton stuff was nonsense. I have a mututal respect I just cannot always tell when you are being serious.
I know dude, & Im sorry. I know I come across a bit random, due to the potent mix of me posting when sober, & when I have had a few! when im pissed, I have one sense of humour, & when I am sober, I have another! I know that wont make sense to some, but as you enjoy a drink yourself Strike from time to time judging by your photos with magnificent beers like Hoegaarden, I hope you understand what Im getting at!
As for Hatton, Im pleased he didnt do it. & I mean that. Theres no doubt Hatton isnt a real bad guy, & if he gets beat by Mayweather like he should I seriously hope he doesnt get badly hurt. I would hate that.
My beef with Hatton is purely boxing related, I dont hate the guy as after all, he has never done anything to hurt me or my family. I just enjoy hating him for what he represents in modern day boxing, & what the british media have built him into. & thats why I battle with all his fans, who dont see him as a boxer, but see him as a brother! Its crazy, & thats why I never tire of verbally going toe-to-toe with Hatton fans!
So Strike my good man, from now on I will try to have a one track mind here & try not to automatically assume everyone will know when Im joking or being a prick, but I cannot promise anything:D
Healy
10-09-2007, 04:38 AM
I was watching it with my bro and mate.
I said exactly what most said, 'take a knee Lawton'... I was shouting it at the tv. Lawton wasnt hurt
Strike
10-09-2007, 04:40 AM
I know dude, & Im sorry. I know I come across a bit random, due to the potent mix of me posting when sober, & when I have had a few! when im pissed, I have one sense of humour, & when I am sober, I have another! I know that wont make sense to some, but as you enjoy a drink yourself Strike from time to time judging by your photos with magnificent beers like Hoegaarden, I hope you understand what Im getting at!
As for Hatton, Im pleased he didnt do it. & I mean that. Theres no doubt Hatton isnt a real bad guy, & if he gets beat by Mayweather like he should I seriously hope he doesnt get badly hurt. I would hate that.
My beef with Hatton is purely boxing related, I dont hate the guy as after all, he has never done anything to hurt me or my family. I just enjoy hating him for what he represents in modern day boxing, & what the british media have built him into. & thats why I battle with all his fans, who dont see him as a boxer, but see him as a brother! Its crazy, & thats why I never tire of verbally going toe-to-toe with Hatton fans!
So Strike my good man, from now on I will try to have a one track mind here & try not to automatically assume everyone will know when Im joking or being a prick, but I cannot promise anything:D
:D:good
Yes I was drunl last night, and I woke up this morning and thought "Oh no I was on ESB what have I written".:lol:
But I seem to have not done anything too bad, one random and pointless post in the lounge and I think I went to sleep after that.
NOrth
10-09-2007, 05:19 AM
I was watching it with my bro and mate.
I said exactly what most said, 'take a knee Lawton'... I was shouting it at the tv. Lawton wasnt hurt
he didnt complain either.
Dunky McCafferty
10-09-2007, 09:46 PM
:D:good
Yes I was drunl last night, and I woke up this morning and thought "Oh no I was on ESB what have I written".:lol:
But I seem to have not done anything too bad, one random and pointless post in the lounge and I think I went to sleep after that.
No worries at all my good man, & I suppose as long as we post here we will always have verbal fistycuffs as we seem great at unintentionally winding each other up:lol:
But thats what makes posting here fun. Fuck all that Boxrec chummyness, its good that lads like us here can have a good verbal scrap & not take it to heart & still respect each other when the dust settles.
Until the next time:bbb
Strike
10-10-2007, 02:27 AM
:D:toney:boxing1:guitar
after watchin the wbc world youth title fight on eurosport last night, i think our referees are pretty good with their stoppages in terms of safetly anyway.
this fight was between french boxer ali chebah and thai Payakchai Sithparadorn, and in the end chebah knocked the thai out after delivering unanswered shots for around 90 seconds which ended with the guy flat-out and completely out of it. he didn't even look concious yet the referee insisted on counting slowly to ten before letting the doctors in.
Charles187
10-10-2007, 04:30 PM
after watchin the wbc world youth title fight on eurosport last night, i think our referees are pretty good with their stoppages in terms of safetly anyway.
this fight was between french boxer ali chebah and thai Payakchai Sithparadorn, and in the end chebah knocked the thai out after delivering unanswered shots for around 90 seconds which ended with the guy flat-out and completely out of it. he didn't even look concious yet the referee insisted on counting slowly to ten before letting the doctors in.
Its shit like that that stops boxing getting the mainstream attention it deserves.
GazOC
10-10-2007, 04:37 PM
ended with the guy flat-out and completely out of it. he didn't even look concious yet the referee insisted on counting slowly to ten before letting the doctors in.
Thats annoys me, if a boxer is flat out and the count is at 5 or 6 then he isn't getting up and the medics need to be called into the ring.
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