Devon Alexander vs Juan Urango - Pre fight discussion + RBR

[GPater11093]

Thought I would get in nice and early, also I have an ulterior motive. (oh yes and sorry for yet another Alexander vs Urango thread)

I wrote a piece for a boxing website but the editor has been busy moving house so he has not got it up on time so, especially and exclusivly for ESB Brit forum you guys get to read it. So give me some feedback on the format as it is a weekly article.

Also I want some feedback on the fight, and how you guys see it.

Then the RBR

This is a new series exclusive to ********. The purpose of this is not only to preview up coming fights and analyse current fighters but also maybe give some fans a new understanding to the sport and will know what to look for when watching the fight, similar to Al Bernstein’s ‘Keys to Victory.’

This week is a very exciting clash between IBF Light Welterweight champion Juan Urango and WBC Light Welterweight champion Devon Alexander.

The Light Welterweight division at the moment is stacked to the rafters with the likes of Timothy Bradley, Amir Khan and Paulie Malignaggi numbered among its ranks. These two battle for extra recognition in the crowded street of boxing.

Let’s take a quick look at the basis of both combatants to gain a further understanding into them.

Devon Alexander is a tidy, well schooled boxer puncher. A sharp and fast hitter not by any means a big hitter but a good puncher. He applies steady pressure behind a very educated right hand jab and looks to patiently break down his opponent; he throws combinations well to head and body with his best shots being the right hook and straight left.
He cuts off the ring very well and recovers well when he misses. However, defensively he is slightly lacking, as he often loses concentration and stops moving his head or feet and can be tagged. His trainer Kevin Cunningham recognises his need to always be moving either his feet or head and surely will be working on this with him for this fight.

Juan Urango is a classic come forward fighter: what he lacks in skill he makes up for in strength and aggression! His strength is his main attribute, I can’t think of any Light Welterweight that is stronger than him past or present, and he even forced Ricky Hatton to box him. This strength is also in his punches, although not explosive he hits very strongly especially to the body. He also has an Iron chin. Although his punches can be pretty wide at times he can shoot some short punches out that do damage of which he demonstrated against Vilches. He has a high work rate and exerts a lot of pressure over 12 rounds, and is learning to cut the ring off quite well. When applying pressure he works the body and head equally well, which is always nice to see.
His main weakness however is his defence. As Teddy Atlas has pointed out on Friday Night Fights on ESPN, Urango holds his hands wide and is susceptible to punches straight down the pipe. Also his wide punches allow him to be countered by short straight shots as he comes forward, exactly how Randall Bailey dropped him in their bout. Another weakness I notice is that Juan is not a fluid combination puncher and instead loads up on every shot which makes for a slow combination, this also makes his finishing look quite crude but in fact his pure aggression is effective in finishing off an opponent.

The Strategies

Devon Alexander

Alexander cannot stand and trade with Urango, Urango needs a stationary opponent to get his shots off. Alexander needs to side step to keep Urango off balance to quell Juan’s work rate.
He can also exploit the wide punches of Urango by countering straight down the pipe with his straight left – right hook combination. However, he needs to move after this every time to avoid Urango’s retribution.
He cannot be caught in a fight with Urango, Urango hits too hard and can absorb Alexander’s best shots. The same cannot be said about Alexander. If Urango does find his way inside Alexander has to resist the urge to trade and tie up Urango – who often allows himself to be held.
Boxing journalist Kevin Blatt has told me that he feels Urango has lost his hunger and Alexander can exploit this by following the aforementioned strategy. He can hit Urango repeatedly and keep Urango off balance and not allow Urango the opportunity to hit him. This will demoralise Urango and if he really has lost his hunger he would look to just see the fight out rather than win.

Juan Urango
Urango has to use his strength and make it tell on Alexander. Make this a brawl! Alexander is a proud champion and pride is a deadly sin! Urango has to exploit that and use Alexander’s pride against him by drawing him into a war of attrition. Urango knows he can take Alexander’s shots, so he has to place doubt in the mind of Alexander and take him to war.
My friend and hardcore boxing fan The Flea (our very own Fleaman) believes Urango can use his wide punches as an advantage. He has to step in with the wide punches and get inside to allow himself to land his devastating short punches on Alexander. This is a must if Urango tries to turn it into a war.
And on top of all this Urango needs to keep the pace high, Juan knows he can do a hard 12 rounds; Alexander does not. Use this doubt to keep the pace high and make Devon unsure of himself.


I cant wait for this fight. :happy:happy:happy

[NO MAS]

I have had 100 vcash on Alexander for the TKO or KO...:yep

[GPater11093]

Vcash spent reasonably well IMO, is it good odds? I think a stoppage could be on the cards. Unless os course Juan Urango is reading my strategy.

[NO MAS]

I think it is 10-1 or it might be a bit less I can't remember TBH. I think that you writing is very good Greg... Easy to read and breaks down easy enough...:good

Are you given a word count to stick within...:think

[GPater11093]

I think it is 10-1 or it might be a bit less I can't remember TBH. I think that you writing is very good Greg... Easy to read and breaks down easy enough...:good

Are you given a word count to stick within...:think

Nope, just keep it reasonable. Thats about as much as I could write on a basic strategy outlining the keystones, without going in to pedantic details.

[LHL]

Vcash spent reasonably well IMO, is it good odds? I think a stoppage could be on the cards. Unless os course Juan Urango is reading my strategy.

Can't see it mate did you see the right hand Urango ate from Bailey? Put him down but he didn't even change his plan after it. I think Urango will chase him down and pound out a hard fought TKO can't see Alexander keeping away from Urango for all 12 rounds

[cool-cat]

How do you use V cash?

[ollyc]

How do you use V cash?

There should be a vbookie link at the top of the page, just below the European forum link.

[cool-cat]

There should be a vbookie link at the top of the page, just below the European forum link.

just put a few bets down there. :bbb

[LHL]

Alexanders getting knocked the fuck off his game, urangos gonna infight so much alexanders gonna feel like he'd been jail raped when the fights over

I hope so Bailey has a great jab and an awesome straight right and Urango ate them all night i just think he will eat them and impose himself on Alexander, should be a great clash of styles

[hitman_hatton1]

i make alexander favourite.

i think his skills will pick up the points.

not totally confident though.

not particularly sold on devon.

looks a solid unspectacular sort.

urango will give him some uncomfortable moments i fancy. :bbb

[hitman_hatton1]

I hope so Bailey has a great jab and an awesome straight right and Urango ate them all night i just think he will eat them and impose himself on Alexander, should be a great clash of styles

but bailey is a more conventional straight ahead fighter.

devon is a lefty and therefore more cagey by nature. :yep

won't stand his ground as much and get involved.

interesting one though.

[GPater11093]

Can't see it mate did you see the right hand Urango ate from Bailey? Put him down but he didn't even change his plan after it. I think Urango will chase him down and pound out a hard fought TKO can't see Alexander keeping away from Urango for all 12 rounds

Yeh, the best LWW puncher ever, landed his bets punch right on his chin. Absoloute brutal, cant beleive Urango got up.

Alexander does not have to keep Urango away he just has to step to the side.

I hope so Bailey has a great jab and an awesome straight right and Urango ate them all night i just think he will eat them and impose himself on Alexander, should be a great clash of styles

Bailey does not have a great jab it was a pawing jab used to set up the right, abit like Khaosai galaxy. But it will be a class fight. Alexander is more conventional than Bailey also IMO.

By stoppage i think Alexander could force a 'no mas' kinda stoppage or a corner retirement

[Boro chris]

Alexander should use his skills to win this, Urango's allways struck me as a bit of a plodder.

[Darni187]

Will be watching tonight, hope Devon wins, so Khan can fight him after Paulie and take them 2 belts off him.

:D

[LHL]

Yeh, the best LWW puncher ever, landed his bets punch right on his chin. Absoloute brutal, cant beleive Urango got up.

Alexander does not have to keep Urango away he just has to step to the side.



Bailey does not have a great jab it was a pawing jab used to set up the right, abit like Khaosai galaxy. But it will be a class fight. Alexander is more conventional than Bailey also IMO.

By stoppage i think Alexander could force a 'no mas' kinda stoppage or a corner retirement

Fair point on the jab i always liked baileys jab because you knew what he was doing. I just don't think Alexander will have the ability to out move and punch Urango for 12 tonight. I could be well wrong as i've only seen around two of his fights but i can't see the Iron twin quitting either he knows he has one punch KO power also his wife is hideous and is his manager so he won't be getting any fun time if he loses :lol:

[TFFP]

Alexander on points. Don't think he has the power to stop Urango but its possible if he walks him onto a good one.

I think the southpaw element, quick hands, straighter punching and ring generalship will allow him to outbox Urango. In close he's going to be a lot slicker than the likes of Ricky Hatton and Berto who do nothing but hold. He'll use some old school moves they learn in the gyms over there is frustrate Urango.

[GPater11093]

Fair point on the jab i always liked baileys jab because you knew what he was doing. I just don't think Alexander will have the ability to out move and punch Urango for 12 tonight. I could be well wrong as i've only seen around two of his fights but i can't see the Iron twin quitting either he knows he has one punch KO power also his wife is hideous and is his manager so he won't be getting any fun time if he loses :lol:

Not really an effective jab then? ;)

Remember Ricky Hatton out moved this 'Columbian Land Tank'. I dont think Urango would quit like Duran, but if his heart aint in it 100% a corner retirement say due to a not-too-bad cut could be in order

[LHL]

Not really an effective jab then? ;)

Remember Ricky Hatton out moved this 'Columbian Land Tank'. I dont think Urango would quit like Duran, but if his heart aint in it 100% a corner retirement say due to a not-too-bad cut could be in order

I was looking at Randalls jab from a different perspective its a great tool to use for breaking someone's jaw with your right hand :lol:

Honestley can't see Urango quitting tonight If Alexander beats him it will be with Juan trying to knock his head off.

Hatton didn't really out move him he tied him up every time he got the chance but Juan is smarter now i feel. Hatton didn't like Urangos power and done a great job taking it away from him. I can't see Devon tying him up as well as Hatton and Berto done.


P.S. This Alexander cunt beat Witter i want Urango to murder him tonight :lol:

[GPater11093]

I was looking at Randalls jab from a different perspective its a great tool to use for breaking someone's jaw with your right hand :lol:

Honestley can't see Urango quitting tonight If Alexander beats him it will be with Juan trying to knock his head off.

Hatton didn't really out move him he tied him up every time he got the chance but Juan is smarter now i feel. Hatton didn't like Urangos power and done a great job taking it away from him. I can't see Devon tying him up as well as Hatton and Berto done.


P.S. This Alexander cunt beat Witter i want Urango to murder him tonight :lol:

:rofl:rofl

Look what Bailey did with a predicable skillset, Alexander is much more varied and disciplined also.

Alexander boxes well to a plan IMO. I think when he keeps in perpetual motion he is very very good, he has to do that and he can keep away from Urango. Urango cannot attack a moving target at all, and I'm being 100% serious, as soon as a guy moves hes fucked.

[allenko1]

Good work on the pre-fight article GP...

[Lazarus]

Does anyone know the time of the actual fight in the UK?

[GPater11093]

Thanks Allen

[slip&counter]

Alexander on points. Don't think he has the power to stop Urango but its possible if he walks him onto a good one.

I think the southpaw element, quick hands, straighter punching and ring generalship will allow him to outbox Urango. In close he's going to be a lot slicker than the likes of Ricky Hatton and Berto who do nothing but hold. He'll use some old school moves they learn in the gyms over there is frustrate Urango.

as good as anybody could say it. :good

Urango is a paper champ who is in reality just a gatekeeper, I call him everybodys undergraduate course. You just have to not be intimidated by that hulk physique and leading hooks coming your way and stay focused in those first couple of rounds, after that Urango just becomes even more ponderous, predictable, runs outta ideas and looks slower then a underwater tai chi class. Only way Devon loses this is if he dances and sings into the ring accompanied by a rapper or goes all Terry Norris on us. Lol

[GPater11093]

as good as anybody could say it. :good

Urango is a paper champ who is in reality just a gatekeeper, I call him everybodys undergraduate course. You just have to not be intimidated by that hulk physique and leading hooks coming your way and stay focused in those first couple of rounds, after that Urango just becomes even more ponderous, predictable, runs outta ideas and looks slower then a underwater tai chi class. Only way Devon loses this is if he dances and sings into the ring accompanied by a rapper or goes all Terry Norris on us. Lol

'He's Devon'
'He's Devon'
'He's Devon'

[LHL]

:rofl:rofl

Look what Bailey did with a predicable skillset, Alexander is much more varied and disciplined also.

Alexander boxes well to a plan IMO. I think when he keeps in perpetual motion he is very very good, he has to do that and he can keep away from Urango. Urango cannot attack a moving target at all, and I'm being 100% serious, as soon as a guy moves hes fucked.

Trying to think back but did N'Goudjo not try to box and move on the ropes against him until Urango broke his jaw? I think Alexander poses a bigger threat than anyone Urango has faced in speed and skillset term. I haven't really seen enough of Devon but if he fights the same fight against witter i think he will lose but as you say he does look like a smart fighter that will change tactics this time round, can he do it a full 12? I see Urango catching him on the ropes and pulling off the upset. Could be wrong though :D

[slip&counter]

'He's Devon'
'He's Devon'
'He's Devon'

:lol:

I was thinking more Cory against Zab with the st. louis connection.

[Jeff Young]

Alexander is the favorite for several reasons, but don't count out the "iron twin"....I've seen improvement in his game....He is maturing as a fighter, and may finally be peaking.....Plus, he has the experience factor in his favor...

[dominic1234]

Does anyone know the time of the actual fight in the UK?

HBO broadcast starts at 3:00AM and the showtime Vic Darchinyan vs Rodrigo Guerrero broadcast starts at 2:00AM.

[zico2010]

HBO broadcast starts at 3:00AM and the showtime Vic Darchinyan vs Rodrigo Guerrero broadcast starts at 2:00AM.


Cheers :bbb

[threethirteen]

Urango's got intangibles, not least his chin. Berto got through because he had the experience of the Collazo fight to call on, but Alexander doesn't.

In Alexander's favour, he's not a big puncher, so his skill set is more rounded. I think he'll win by keeping mobile and never allowing Urango inside. But i wouldn't be surprised if he gets dragged into a brawl in the middle rounds. Urango's a late rounds fighter. That constant pressure and solid punching can catch people off guard.

Good 50-50 fight overall for me.

[ishy]

Only way Devon loses this is if he dances and sings into the ring accompanied by a rapper or goes all Terry Norris on us. Lol

Sorry to inform you slip but Devon will be accompanied to the ring by a rapper. No joke.

'He's Devon'
'He's Devon'
'He's Devon'

:rofl:rofl

HBO coverage starts at 2.30 followed by a Pac-Clottey preview show at 4am

[ishy]

Showtime coverage has started!

[GPater11093]

I think Devon's nickname should be 'Custard'

[chrisfinch]

Tarver looks sharp.

How the hell does Guerrero get a world title shot, when he's ranked in the mid-teens by all the organisations?

crazy

[ishy]

:lol: Why?

[ishy]

Zappa is meant to be a good Aussie prospect.

[chrisfinch]

Hopefully a nice early KO here before the HBO card

[GPater11093]

:lol: Why?

Is it no, Devon Ambrosia Custard

[LHL]

Zappa is meant to be a good Aussie prospect.

Yeah the Aussie forum seem to think good bit of him hope he comes good

[ishy]

Is it no, Devon Ambrosia Custard

:patsch:patsch:lol:

[antcull]

Zappa has a very fan friendly style but lacks world class IMO, he has a ripping body shot though....this is a good test for him :good

[rockandrollstar]

Anyone here on facebook?

If so Im [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Add me!

[GPater11093]

:patsch:patsch:lol:

Would be a brilliant ring name.

'Custard, why the fuck you called that?'

'Cause I taste nice, why the fuck do you think? My names fucking Devon, my brother is Cornwall and he is called Pasty.''

[antcull]

Anyone here on facebook?

If so Im [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Add me!

No, find some real friends.

[chrisfinch]

Is it no, Devon Ambrosia Custard

epic fail:patsch

[GPater11093]

fuck off rockandrollstar you could be a rapist or some shit

[chrisfinch]

No, find some real friends.

BBBBBUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRNNNNNN :lol:

[LHL]

fuck off rockandrollstar you could be a rapist or some shit

Didn't stop you talking to me :D

You can see Zappa wants to get that left to the body bad

[Bodysnatcher]

I like Tarver as an analyst. He still hasn't loosened up but it's obvious he knows his stuff.

[GPater11093]

Didn't stop you talking to me :D

You can see Zappa wants to get that left to the body bad

Och aye, with a name like Andydazookeeper, you got to be a fucking rapist or some weird kiddy fiddling bastard. :lol::lol:

I'm still chuckling at Devon Alexander's brother being called Cornwall

[antcull]

Round a piece I got it so far....

Think Zappa will outlast Angulo in this one and stop him around the 10th.....shame the HBO card clashes with this one, got far more interest in Alexander-Urango though

[rockandrollstar]

fuck off rockandrollstar you could be a rapist or some shit

Not a rapist. Just a guy who loves "surprise sex"!

[LHL]

Och aye, with a name like Andydazookeeper, you got to be a fucking rapist or some weird kiddy fiddling bastard. :lol::lol:

I'm still chuckling at Devon Alexander's brother being called Cornwall

:rofl Yet you still sent me emails you tease :lol:

[GPater11093]

:rofl Yet you still sent me emails you tease :lol:

:lol::lol:

Thought you might actually be a zookeeper. Then I found out you really did want to look after my lions, just I'm not into that.

[ishy]

Decent scrap this

[rockandrollstar]

Those of you not on facebook could email me at [Only registered and activated users can see links].

Im not a freak, just a guy who's bored on a Saturday night with nowt to do!!!

[GPater11093]

Decent scrap this

If you dont have anything to say about surprise sex or rape, get out my fucking thread.

[GPater11093]

Those of you not on facebook could email me at [Only registered and activated users can see links].

Im not a freak, just a guy who's bored on a Saturday night with nowt to do!!!

:rofl:rofl

Dont do it, he sent me a picture of a penis.

[ishy]

Fanny

[chrisfinch]

This BAD opening is awesome

[GPater11093]

just kidding ishy

[rockandrollstar]

:rofl:rofl

Dont do it, he sent me a picture of a penis.

Yeah but the picture you sent back was fucking worse!

Jizz all over your chest at the sight of my cock!

[ishy]

HBO coverage underway

[LHL]

HBO coverage underway

Cheers Ishy take it they showing Forbes first ?

[GPater11093]

Yeah but the picture you sent back was fucking worse!

Jizz all over your chest at the sight of my cock!

:lol::lol:

I sent you another (i actually did send a photo though)

HBO card underway

What did I tell you?

[antcull]

58-57 Zappa....too close for comfort for him...having troubles with Angulo

[Bodysnatcher]

I always get freaked out by Kellerman's bug eyes.

[antcull]

Cheers Ishy take it they showing Forbes first ?

Just the one fight on HBO tonight...got Pac-Clottey preview after

[ishy]

Cheers Ishy take it they showing Forbes first ?

No undercard fight tonight. Max just talking shit atm. Think they'll do a feature thing on Alexander before the fight.

[Bodysnatcher]

Here we go with the `I coulda be in prison` shit.

[GPater11093]

I always get freaked out by Kellerman's bug eyes.

Kellerman is a prick, I hate the guy. He offers very little insight into boxing IMO.

You might aswell have Graham fucking Norton commentating

[TFFP]

Here we go with the `I coulda be in prison` shit.
:lol::lol::lol:

HBO hype is soooooooo predictable.

[LHL]

Someone post when the Urango fight kicks off or enterances please i can't stand kellerman making a fight sound like a movie

[Bodysnatcher]

Kellerman is a prick, I hate the guy. He offers very little insight into boxing IMO.

You might aswell have Graham fucking Norton commentating

Better than Lennox.

Then again, who isn't?

[antcull]

Although Zappa is a pressure fighter he cant seem to apply it with any authority...his jab is absolutely non exsistent...Angulos right hands are landing...67-67 all square after 7

[Bodysnatcher]

I'm not being a dick about Alexander's story. Maybe I'm just too familiar with it. I guess these back stories do provide interest to many. He does seem like a decent guy.

It is old though.

ESPN did this with Tavoris Cloud.

[chrisfinch]

"Very serious" Vaughan Alexander

Fucking nickname of the year

[LHL]

Alexanders head annoys me

[GPater11093]

Better than Lennox.

Then again, who isn't?

Is he fuck. Lennox has some insight as he was a top class boxer, just his voice pisses me off. Make up your fucking mind American, canadian or British dont change half way through a sentance.

Ill tell you who aint better than Lennox Lewis. Max fucking Kellerman.

[TFFP]

Kellerman really is a smug piece of work. Most punchable face EVER.

[ishy]

Is he fuck. Lennox has some insight as he was a top class boxer, just his voice pisses me off. Make up your fucking mind American, canadian or British dont change half way through a sentance.

Ill tell you who aint better than Lennox Lewis. Max fucking Kellerman.

You forgot Jamaican.

AND HERE IS LENNOX!!!

[antcull]

Zappa has a fuckin horrible cut (by headbutt)....this wont last

[Bodysnatcher]

Oh no. Lennox. Looking sleepy.

[ishy]

Lennox stating the fucking obvious. as always.

"He (Urango) is strong, muscle bound...if he imposes his style he should do well"

[GPater11093]

"Very serious" Vaughan Alexander

Fucking nickname of the year

Nowhgere near 'Custard'

Alexanders head annoys me

:lol::lol:

Anyone think Clottey's head is real big?

[antcull]

Zappa went for it in the 8th as he know it wont last, didnt have the greatest of success still, he gets that round on activity

77-76 Zappa

[Darni187]

Come on Devon :thumbsup Lets go

[chrisfinch]

Is he fuck. Lennox has some insight as he was a top class boxer, just his voice pisses me off. Make up your fucking mind American, canadian or British dont change half way through a sentance.

Ill tell you who aint better than Lennox Lewis. Max fucking Kellerman.

Someone had a bit too much fizzy pop tonight?:nut

[ishy]

LHL, ringwalks about to start :good

[GPater11093]

Kellerman really is a smug piece of work. Most punchable face EVER.

Agreed. Kellerman when he was at ESPN was even worse, he didnt even wear a suit just sat in jeans and shit.

You forgot Jamaican.

AND HERE IS LENNOX!!!

:lol::lol:

Worst accent ever IMO when he mixes them all up.

Lennox stating the fucking obvious. as always.

"He (Urango) is strong, muscle bound...if he imposes his style he should do well"

:lol::lol:

Least he is right.

[GPater11093]

Someone had a bit too much fizzy pop tonight?:nut

:lol::lol:

'Fuck off Finchy'

Tell me what episode that is off of and you get some surprise sex from Rockandrollstar

[LHL]

LHL, ringwalks about to start :good

Cheers mate time to start praying the fucker im skiving off turns over :lol:

[ishy]

Both fighters in the ring. Don King is there as well, with his flags as usual. Buffer just starting his shizzle.

[GPater11093]

Both fighters in the ring. Don King is there as well, with his flags as usual. Buffer just starting his shizzle.

He cracks me up

[Bodysnatcher]

If it finishes early we might get to see the Vic fight. Unlikely...

[GPater11093]

what is the reason for script errors.

gone on this video link for the vic fight and i'm getting this fucking script errors shit that i can't get rid of. :huh

You shoulkdnt be on illegal sites

[Carnage]

Good little scrap this, just tuned in now!

[antcull]

Angulos round but he got a point deducted for hitting after the break, Zappa cant see shit in one eye cos of the cut...still a very close fight..

86-85 Zappa

[Bodysnatcher]

I remember the BBC showing Urango vs Hatton delayed. Hatton suffered that night.

[LHL]

They showing Showtime card and then HBO card delayed afterwards :good

Ah not good then cheers mate might as well log off and set up for a long one :twisted:

[GPater11093]

Ah not good then cheers mate might as well log off and set up for a long one :twisted:

you still got the computer that blows up?

[hitman_hatton1]

You shoulkdnt be on illegal sites

normally u click yes a few times and they fuck off.

but this one isn't.

fucking thing. :|

[GPater11093]

I would edit that saying you love ponies

[antcull]

Big round for Angulo! Had Zappa hurt there! 95-95 ALL EVEN! Hope the first few rounds of Alexander-Urango arent great...cant switch over now ive watched 10 rounds of this fight!

[LHL]

you still got the computer that blows up?

Nah mate it blew up :lol: Got a new one haven't had a problem yet :D

[Carnage]

haha, all this time i thought zappa was the...erm...black one!!

[Darni187]

Nice jabs from Alex, first rd to him

[Bodysnatcher]

Alexander's trainer is a legend in the making :)

[TFFP]

Nice start by Devon, needs to be careful. Got caught a little.

Urango is such a plodder at times, if he had footwork he would be so dangerous.

[GPater11093]

Nah mate it blew up :lol: Got a new one haven't had a problem yet :D

:lol::lol:

[ishy]

haha, all this time i thought zappa was the...erm...black one!!

:rofl

Alexander takes the first, threw a shit load of jabs in that round. Urango landed a decent right hook/

[Bodysnatcher]

Really though, Alexander should walk this.

[Bodysnatcher]

Yeah, Kellerman says this is dangerous for Alexander, but his footwork is so slick, it really isn't.

[antcull]

105-104 Angulo..commentators have it a bit wider for him, Zappa needs a KO it seems...hes been very disappointing tonight

[TFFP]

Both did a good defensive job in round 2. Even Urango was tight.

Alexander outworked him by a large margin though, needs to walk him down faster. He's standing too much.

20-18 Alexander

[ishy]

That noise Alexander makes after each punch annoys me

[antcull]

115-113 to Angulo, Great last round!.....suprisingly Angulo seemed like the much fresher fighter tonight....Zappa had no game plan and his corner didnt help him one bit, although he has a ton of heart!....really nice win for Angulo though, he looked better than expected.

Look forward to seeing both again!

[Bodysnatcher]

Urango is doing better but I still feel Alexander will adjust and keep good range.

[TFFP]

Better round 3 from Urango, upped the pace. Still Alexander's for me. Seems to have a good chin when he needs it...

3-0

[Darni187]

Closer round still 3-0 to Alex, he is looking sharp, but Urango is starting to press

[TFFP]

That noise Alexander makes after each punch annoys me
Agreed..barking. Kinda smart though, draws the judges attention to every punch. :p

[antcull]

Score from Zappa fight...

114-113
116-111
116-111

Winner is Zappa....dodgy one there, can see why he got the nod but shouldnt have IMO.

[Bodysnatcher]

This is going 12. No Darchinyan tonight.

[TFFP]

One step forward then two back for Urango, round 4 was worse than round 3. Devon has adjusted to the right-hook. I tell you what though...he better conserve some energy because he can't budge Urango for shit. Still, his ring smarts are reminding me of Ward, not as good as Ward though.

4-0

[antcull]

Doubt anything out the ordinary will happen in the HBO fight, might go for Showtime to see a good Vic destruction job :good ...Just what is needed at 3am :D

[Bodysnatcher]

One step forward then two back for Urango, round 4 was worse than round 3. Devon has adjusted to the right-hook. I tell you what though...he better conserve some energy because he can't budge Urango for shit. Still, his ring smarts are reminding me of Ward, not as good as Ward though.

4-0

He doesn't have Ward's hard edge - no holding, and - have to say it - no leading with the head.

But yeah, see what you mean.

[TFFP]

Slightly better from Urango, good bodywork in round 6. Was it enough? i'm still not sure it was, can't award rounds for being better than the last.

5-0

[chrisfinch]

Devon's cornerman sounds like Bodie from The Wire

[ishy]

I dunno...Alexander doesn't look like he's got star potential. Good fighter but lacks something

[Bodysnatcher]

I dunno...Alexander doesn't look like he's got star potential. Good fighter but lacks something

Bit like Dawson, maybe?

[Bodysnatcher]

Well. My cockiness about Alexander is slipping a wee bit. I'm not saying this is JC Chavez vs Taylor but the pressure is coming hard.

[Darni187]

Thats 6 out of 6 to Devon, lets see if he can keep this workrate and focus up.

[ishy]

Nah, I like Dawson. He's much more well rounded than Alexander IMO.


Urango is starting to land a lot more now. He's getting better with each round.

[TFFP]

I wouldn't be that critical, he's impressing more than Hatton or Berto against this guy Urango.

[antcull]

Vic entering the ring on Showtime :good

[ishy]

Shit!! Urango walked into that one!!

[Darni187]

Wow

[Bodysnatcher]

Premature stoppage.

[ishy]

I take back my earlier comments but shit stoppage/

[TFFP]

Over...looked an early stoppage. Urango the dumbass was too macho there.

[Bodysnatcher]

But woooo, time to watch Vic! Great timing.

[antcull]

Great shot, bullshit stoppage....time for Vic! :happy

[TFFP]

Urango is a cretin. He could have easily survived that with a bit of common sense but he went charging in again. He wasn't too badly hurt the first time, should have given himself a chance.

[Mandanda]

Urango's own fault. Wide hook and Alexander is to good to let that oppurtunity pass. Boy did he make him pay.

[Carnage]

Someone tell me what happened in the Alexander fight, how was the KO etc??

[LHL]

Really starting to hate Alexander first witter then he make me look a twat

[TFFP]

Someone tell me what happened in the Alexander fight, how was the KO etc??
Walked onto an uppercut I think it was. Or a hook. Went down, got up looking okay, hands in the air giving it the big man routine. Then he went charging in again and same happened, countered. Got up again, looked more wobbly this time, ref looks into his eyes and questionably calls it off.

Urango's fault from start to end, reckless...and then plain dumb after the first knockdown to not let himself recover.

[TFFP]

Darchinyan in crab mode.

[Carnage]

Walked onto an uppercut I think it was. Or a hook. Went down, got up looking okay, hands in the air giving it the big man routine. Then he went charging in again and same happened, countered. Got up again, looked more wobbly this time, ref looks into his eyes and questionably calls it off.

Urango's fault from start to end, reckless...and then plain dumb after the first knockdown to not let himself recover.
Damn, was Alexander looking like the real deal, i really didn't even know it had started, was watching HBO shit!

[Bodysnatcher]

Vic not having his own way. You can see why Gary Shaw invented a back injury for Dirrell. It would have been like fighting at home for Abraham.

[TFFP]

Damn, was Alexander looking like the real deal, i really didn't even know it had started, was watching HBO shit!
Yeah he looked good. Pretty much controlled the action with good movement, using work-rate and moving out. Didn't let Urango get close and Urango was plodding.

Ironically Urango was just starting to get into things when he got stopped. He was planning to come on strong late. Made a mistake to get put down, but that wasn't a huge problem, he wasn't too badly hurt. But he got macho straight away and waded in and got caught for a second time.

[JonOli]

I was surprised Alexander was such a clear favourite to be honest, but I guess the result shows it.

[TFFP]

That result finally got me back over 1000 vCash :roll:

[TFFP]

This guy is not intimidated by Darchinyan.

[Mandanda]

I think Devon fought Urango at the perfect time. He boxed well tonight and this boosts his rep and gives him some real value now.

Urango now either retires or becomes a gatekeeper. Seems nice guy but never to sure he's had that real hunger for it like other fighters have.

Vic cracks me up...gotta love this guy.

[Bodysnatcher]

Guerrero is gutsy. Feel like he'll be taken out soon, though.

[Darni187]

Devon looked good, the 140 division is becoming real hot.

[LHL]

Guerrero looking beat up, surprised he has lasted 4 the way he came out in the 1st i was sure Vic was going to put him down

[TFFP]

I think Urango had the hunger, just lacked in a lot of fundamental skills. No jab on the way, comes in with a hook which leaves you right open down the middle. No footspeed to speak of which makes him easy to outbox and outmaneaovre. Hell Hatton outboxed the shit out of him...that says a whole lot.

He's just a limited guy, he can still contend there or there abouts near the top of the division. He's got nothing for a Bradley, Marquez or Alexander, all-round fighters should have no problems with him.

[BadJuju83]

That result finally got me back over 1000 vCash :roll:

1st bet on here and it got me 2000. 500 at 4/1 for the TKO. Good times.:bbb

Just need Vic to win for the other 500 to be safe

[TFFP]

1st bet on here and it got me 2000. 500 at 4/1 for the TKO. Good times.:bbb

Just need Vic to win for the other 500 to be safe
I was down to zero a week or so ago, I've rebounded well :yep

[Mandanda]

Sometimes there's fighters i think about who i would love to fight if i boxed and i wouldn't like to fight...Vic goes to near the top of fighter's i'd hate to fight. Spiteful puncher and them shots come way out of eye line. You have to be on top form to deal with him.

[TFFP]

Honestly, I don't like watching Darchinyan a whole lot. Many probably love him and I could appreciate why but he's just way too awkward and messy for me. Some of his punches and movements are difficult to describe.

[TFFP]

Very strange Darch is wearing Everlasts. He should be wearing Reyes really...

[Mandanda]

I get where your coming from. When he's at his best he's great to watch but i think he's gone back to old ways of thinking he can load up which=him creating a mess by lunging. When he beat Mijares he boxed that night and Arce. Agbeko he loaded up...but there's no telling Vic. Get impression he does what he wants and there's no changing him.

[Bodysnatcher]

Guerrero has a fan in me. Outgunned but steams in like he can finish it with a punch. I think Vic is gonna level him before the 12 is up but he's giving a great showing.

[TFFP]

You could fault many things in Gurrero..but his chin is very very good.

[Mandanda]

This kid's tough and brave gotta love that. soon as he get's gumshield back he charges back in for some more. Huge Props to him

[Mandanda]

Stoppage coming soon here. Accumulation of punches getting to Guerrero.

[Mandanda]

Can see ref stopping fight here while lad's on his feet. He's not gonna go much longer...if he does he could get hurt.

[ed7890]

That 8th round was a real beating. Guerrero has some chin on him but he can't take many more of those shots.

[BadJuju83]

I was down to zero a week or so ago, I've rebounded well :yep

Wont be long til im back to zero

You got anything on the vic fight?. Hows it going anyway, i was listening to the Alexander fight on JtinTV(lost picture)

[ed7890]

Great win for Alexander earlier as well, never thought he would stop Urango.

[Bodysnatcher]

Vic's hating every second of this. He knows he's got the beating of the guy, but he won't accept defeat.

[Mandanda]

If i was ref i look to step in as soon as Vic lands a few flush shots. Let lad be stopped standing but he's taking a beating here and he's young.

[Carnage]

Come on, I wanna see a big KO!

[BadJuju83]

Great win for Alexander earlier as well, never thought he would stop Urango.

I thought he might force the ref to to stop it by overwhelming him, one way traffic leniancy type stoppage, but it was apparently quite a sweet shot that dropped him first time, and Urango got up to quick and was set upon and it was waved off.

No picture just sound the stream i had.

[Mandanda]

Love way Vic use's the right hand to push and prod to create opening for left hand. Fun fighter to watch in full flight.

[LHL]

Guerrero has been on cruise control since round one guy is a machine.

[Mandanda]

Agree totally with Tarver. Guy ain't winning fight...these head shots ain't good for him at all. Not that head shots are good for anyone but every shot Vic throws is a bomb and lad his also tiring..this is where i like ref's to step in. Urango fully grown man who took less punishment i think could of been given lil bit more time.

[LHL]

How Guerrero hasn't been down is insane, Darch is countering him with bombs and guerrero still pushes through.

[Bodysnatcher]

Guerrero = granite chin.

[Bodysnatcher]

Darchinyan looks gutted. Celebrating but he looks upset.

[Mandanda]

Lad will never be the same again after tonight. He's won my respect. I dunno if Vic's power is diminishing or this kid's got chin of granite. He's made it!!!! *clap clap clap* well done RG!!!! Vic retains title 120-108

[LHL]

Wouldn't be surprised to see Guerrero in hospital that guy is too tough for his own good.

[ed7890]

Holy shit, the 2 big shots Guerrero took with 20 seconds to go were unreal. He's got an amazing chin. Glad he got to finish the fight.

[Mandanda]

Not impressed by his corner at all tonight. Should of been pulled out ages ago.

117-111.......giving rounds for heart and toughness of chins now are we

[ed7890]

I thought he might force the ref to to stop it by overwhelming him, one way traffic leniancy type stoppage, but it was apparently quite a sweet shot that dropped him first time, and Urango got up to quick and was set upon and it was waved off.

No picture just sound the stream i had.

It was a great shot he landed for the 1st knockdown alright. It wasn't waved off after that though. He took another big straight and went down, he jumped back up again and the ref stopped it.

Some people were saying it was a bit premature, but I think it was fair enough. He didnt really seem to know what he was doing and wasnt paying attention to the ref.

[LHL]

Not impressed by his corner at all tonight. Should of been pulled out ages ago.

117-111.......giving rounds for heart and toughness of chins now are we

Guerrero getting a rep for taking a beating won't do him any good that was a nasty beat down and the ref and corner probably should of stopped it earlier. The referee didn't really get much of a chance to but the corner definitely did.

[BadJuju83]

It was a great shot he landed for the 1st knockdown alright. It wasn't waved off after that though. He took another big straight and went down, he jumped back up again and the ref stopped it.

Some people were saying it was a bit premature, but I think it was fair enough. He didnt really seem to know what he was doing and wasnt paying attention to the ref.

Cheers:good

[Mandanda]

Guerrero getting a rep for taking a beating won't do him any good that was a nasty beat down and the ref and corner probably should of stopped it earlier. The referee didn't really get much of a chance to but the corner definitely did.
Totally Agree. I hope he comes good...but we've seen tough kids like him come on from beatings to really make name but some there punch resistance is shot to pieces after and there never ever the same.

Thing is we could also see lad had no power to land that lucky shot. Some trainers need to take them selves out of emotion and see fight for what's going down. Suppose that's easier said then done but i don't like seeing beatings like that...weren't like Lacy-Calzaghe. Man vs Boy in there tonight.

[Freddy Krueger]

You shoulkdnt be on illegal sites

:yep:yep:yep

And you surely shouldn't be talking about it here. IF you want to be here tomorrow that is.:lol:

Oh, btw, don't warn violators. Next time I catch you doing that, you'll be joining them.

[Freakzilla]

Someone tell me what happened in the Alexander fight, how was the KO etc??

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:good

[icemax]

Really starting to hate Alexander first witter then he make me look a twat

:lol:

[TFFP]

Alexander v Bradley would be a real top fight for pure boxing skills...

I'd go Bradley...he always finds a way to win.

[Guy]

Oh, btw, don't warn violators. Next time I catch you doing that, you'll be joining them.


:lol: classic

[Guy]

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

:good


:good I was surprised how brawny Devon looked , he's got some slick skills too that first uppercut was a peach.

[JIM KELLY]

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:good

that was two cool knock downs, debatable stoppage, but mango-urango was on his way getting knocked down again..!
Devon is slick and has power! :good

[icemax]

Premature stoppage.

:nono

Urango was blinking quicker than a 1960's TV set even before the first knock-down....good stoppage ref.

[JIM KELLY]

lmao @ zab!! hahahaha, that guy is still holding on to the spinks win!

[China_hand_Joe]

...

[Boro chris]

Och aye, with a name like
I'm still chuckling at Devon Alexander's brother being called Cornwall

Could be worse. Could be called princess.

[NO MAS]

My first win on vcash...:happy

[slip&counter]

I hope its not Zab next, I'm sick of that chump getting so many chances, when ever i hear that fool i always have to dumb myself down in listening to his bullsh*t. His claim to fame is following Pea around for a while, he gets punked by Carlos effing Baldomir, falls in a damn shower to avoid seeing Shane, gives up 4 pounds on the scale alone to Clottey, Zab Superless Judah: The brain of Scarecrow, the heart of Tin Man and the courage of Dorothy with the bark of Toto.

[GPater11093]

:yep:yep:yep

And you surely shouldn't be talking about it here. IF you want to be here tomorrow that is.:lol:

Oh, btw, don't warn violators. Next time I catch you doing that, you'll be joining them.

:lol::lol:

Sorry, thought I was doing my bit telling him to stay off the bad websites.

[Mandanda]

I was reading the ring.com and the judges scorecards were 68-65 and 67-66 margins for alexander and one judge had Urango ahead by 67-66.

I gave urango 3 rounds as well and thought it was a premature stoppage, urango came off the canvas and ko'd bailey the fight before so the fight could hav still turned out diff imo
I agree it was premature he's a grown man and world level fighter in a world title fight. Gotta be given that lil extra but in saying that he was hurt and i strongly believe the ref was saving Juan from himself (he was asking to be ko'd) and Alexander would of finished Juan off if allowed.

What annoys me is when on the same night a young lad in Guerrero took a head shot pummeling and was allowed to continue when he had no chance of winning and was a baby really. Tough as old boots that kid but that punishment wasn't needed.