Angulo got Robbed

[Dr Gonzo]

Zappa lost clearly IMO, by 3 or 4 rounds :bart

[TCboxa]

It was hard to score from the rez i was getting but it did look like Angulo had it in the bag and Zappa needed a KO to win going into the last round, stranger things have happen in boxing lol

[crash]

a wins a win.

[markuspd]

Angulo looked like he won but the early rounds were to lz.
Also round 12 and a couple more easily makes the fight close lz landed many really clean body shots throughout.
I would have given the edge to angulo but the cuts from headbutt made the fight look better for angulo imo.
Draw probably would have been more understandable.

[perfect jet]

Angulo schooled him. Made Zappa miss all night.

3 Showtime judges sitting ringside pretty much agreed. Zappa's team knew he won the moment the final bell rang. They knew he only had to get through the fight to get the decision.

That's what happens when you are the promoters boy and they have the judges.

[rongee90]

I'd like to hear what Phil has to say about Lennys win. While I am a big supporter of Lenny, unfortunately this time round he got beaten fair and square by Angulo. You only have to look at all of the swelling and bruising on zappas face...promoters decision of course

[LeonMcS]

As I said at the pub, 'Fuck 'em, we're still owed for Fenech-Nelson I.'

I knew as soon as the point was deducted from Angulo, Zappa had it. He wouldn't have helped his case in coming in overweight, again.

[flamengo]

Great news.... Zappa won today.. WOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sandman_]

Very tough fight for young Zappa against a guy who weighed-in heavy.

He will learn an enormous amount from that fight and be much better for the experience.

I thought he did well early, with the fight getting away from him during the middle rounds.

I thought Zappa showed tremendous courage & grit to win the 11th (clear, imo) and stake a claim for the 12th (which the judges gave him).

I watched the Showtime television coverage but would be interested in hearing the perspectives of anyone who watched the fight live in the arena. It's very easy to be influenced by what the commentators are saying when watching televised coverage.

I disagreed with the commentary when Antonio Tarver kept saying that Angulo was landing the 1-2 cleanly throughout the fight. On many occasions when that combination was thrown by Angulo it was straight into Zappa's gloves.

Personally, I thought it was good to see the Yankee Doodle Dandy judges look after our best young prospect and I am sure he will improve considerably with this experience under his belt.

[flamengo]

Very tough fight for young Zappa against a guy who weighed-in heavy.

He will learn an enormous amount from that fight and be much better for the experience.

I thought he did well early, with the fight getting away from him during the middle rounds.

I thought Zappa showed tremendous courage & grit to win the 11th (clear, imo) and stake a claim for the 12th (which the judges gave him).

I watched the Showtime television coverage but would be interested in hearing the perspectives of anyone who watched the fight live in the arena. It's very easy to be influenced by what the commentators are saying when watching televised coverage.

I disagreed with the commentary when Antonio Tarver kept saying that Angulo was landing the 1-2 cleanly throughout the fight. On many occasions when that combination was thrown by Angulo it was straight into Zappa's gloves.

Personally, I thought it was good to see the Yankee Doodle Dandy judges look after our best young prospect and I am sure he will improve considerably with this experience under his belt.

Mate.. fuck 'em... just like Leon says.. in the words of Jimmy Lennon Jnr "114... to 114..... A DRAW.... The decision is A DRAW"

Anyone remember Noufel Ben Rabah vs Juan Urango???
Harding vs McCallum.
Fammo vs Saldivar
Griffo vs McAullife
Tszyu vs Mas
Trotter vs Pyatt/Hughes
Kelly vs Pyatt
etc. etc. etc. About time we got a little back from O/S efforts.

[Sandman_]

Mate.. fuck 'em... just like Leon says.. in the words of Jimmy Lennon Jnr "114... to 114..... A DRAW.... The decision is A DRAW"

Anyone remember Noufel Ben Rabah vs Juan Urango???
Harding vs McCallum.
Fammo vs Saldivar
Griffo vs McAullife
Tszyu vs Mas
Trotter vs Pyatt/Hughes
Kelly vs Pyatt
etc. etc. etc. About time we got a little back from O/S efforts.
Looking after young up & coming prospects is standard procedure over there.

Good to see them spread a little goodwill our way.

Lenny showed good ability early and plenty of guts late.

It's a win & we'll take it.

[IntentionalButt]

IB's card: 8-4 for Angulo. With the point deduction mandated by the ref, that's 115-112.

Of those, the only rounds I consider too close to be 100% confident on are one that I gave to Zappa and one that I gave to Angulo. So even giving Zappa that close round that Angulo got, we're talking about 7-5 and a final score of 114-113 (for Angulo).

Basically Zappa had the first third of the fight in hand; when Angulo started shrugging off his power and hitting him from all sorts of angles (not to mention the outpour of blood), Zap never fully regained his composure and got muscled.

[flamengo]

Looking after young up & coming prospects is standard procedure over there.

Good to see them spread a little goodwill our way.

Lenny showed good ability early and plenty of guts late.

It's a win & we'll take it.

Yep. It's a win and nothing less. :good

[Sandman_]

IB's card: 8-4 for Angulo. With the point deduction mandated by the ref, that's 115-112.

Of those, the only rounds I consider too close to be 100% confident on are one that I gave to Zappa and one that I gave to Angulo. So even giving Zappa that close round that Angulo got, we're talking about 7-5 and a final score of 114-113 (for Angulo).

Basically Zappa had the first third of the fight in hand; when Angulo started shrugging off his power and hitting him from all sorts of angles (not to mention the outpour of blood), Zap never fully regained his composure and got muscled.
Bottom line is that Angulo was the opponent, Zappa was the prospect & the judges scored accordingly.

I think sometimes fans just need to accept the wisdom of the judges' decision.:good

[flamengo]

..... especially if the judges want any future work... lol. Hope to see Zappa create more positive waves very shortly mate. He's got plenty to gain and time on his side. Kick arse Lenny.

[IntentionalButt]

The thing is, it isn't as though the young and talented Zappavigna wouldn't be able to easily bounce back and rebuild from a close decision loss to a determined past contender here.

He'd be right in the mix again in no time, and based on his gutty showing would still get invited to return to American TV had the scores gone the other (right) way.

Angulo, on the other hand, will likely never see another 12 rounder...at least not one of note.

Don't try to spin it like there's twisted justice in this or "for the best". And the nationalistic payback angle is bollocks, too - unless Aussies have gotten tough breaks in Venezuela. Fernando ain't American. :deal

[raff]

a lot of ugly headclashes, coming in overweight, may have swayed the judges decision a little

[sambo1987]

I thought Angulo won it, by in Hopkinesque style.. Bit frustrating too watch

[flamengo]

IB... The history of Boxing is littered by Bullshit biast decisions made by empty headed yanks. That will never change. Zappa is the GBP lad and Angulos prospects in the future were limited in PPV $$$ for GBP.. Thats the business.

Stop twisting and spinning the arguement back to us mate.. Its the Dopey American monopoloisers that create the unjust decisions time and time again.. Stupid Yanks with no care, sense, pride or shame are the reason for the shape of Boxing today..

Yep... I'm a happy Aussie to see Lenny get the verdict.

[teke]

Terrible decision,

[daz52]

Terrible decision,

It was wasnt it.

[Sandman_]

The thing is, it isn't as though the young and talented Zappavigna wouldn't be able to easily bounce back and rebuild from a close decision loss to a determined past contender here.

He'd be right in the mix again in no time, and based on his gutty showing would still get invited to return to American TV had the scores gone the other (right) way.

Angulo, on the other hand, will likely never see another 12 rounder...at least not one of note.

Don't try to spin it like there's twisted justice in this or "for the best". And the nationalistic payback angle is bollocks, too - unless Aussies have gotten tough breaks in Venezuela. Fernando ain't American. :deal
Please don't pretend that professional boxing is a level playing field when we both know it's anything but.

Zappa's career could just have easily been over before it began if the decision had gone against him.

Angulo was brought in as the opponent and that's the role he played in this fight. He will likely be used in that role again in the future given his strong showing.

It's not like his career has been killed in the manner you are suggesting. Shit, he would not even have been able to go home with the belt given he weighed in three pounds over the weight limit.

The judges' looked after the prospect which happens all over the world. I'm sure it has even occurred in Latin America once in a while.:lol:

[perfect jet]

LOL. Robberies are fine when they go in favor of your favorite fighter. I get it now.

[Sandman_]

LOL. Robberies are fine when they go in favor of your favorite fighter. I get it now.
No, you clearly don't get it.

If you don't understand why prospects are often looked after by the judges when they are stepped up in class, you don't understand boxing.

[Sox]

No, you clearly don't get it.

If you don't understand why prospects are often looked after by the judges when they are stepped up in class, you don't understand boxing.
I certainly don't get it.
The guy who won the fight should be the winner in the judges eyes, always, no matter who is fighting.
No one should ever be looked after.

I didn't see the fight, and I'm happy that Zappa won, but by the sounds of how the fight went, I'm not happy if he won it on the wrong terms.

[zelky]

Ey cunt came in three pounds over...then had the shits that they wanted him to lose more weight?

Who gives a fuck what happened to him?

[perfect jet]

No, you clearly don't get it.

If you don't understand why prospects are often looked after by the judges when they are stepped up in class, you don't understand boxing.

Thanks for the lesson.

[daz52]

No, you clearly don't get it.

If you don't understand why prospects are often looked after by the judges when they are stepped up in class, you don't understand boxing.


I like Zappa. He fights honest and hard and always gives his best. He seems dedicated and its good to see.

Angluo won the fight. He should not have been robbed.

[patrick]

Just watched it for the second time and cannot possibly see how Lenny got the nod.

Also couldn't help noticing the sense of disorganisation in Lenny's corner.
Tommy needs to control things a lot better than that. It really seemed like panic was setting in a couple of time and this can't be good for the fighter between rounds

Congrats to Lenny, but a lot of work needs to be done by the entire team.

[TCboxa]

LOL. Robberies are fine when they go in favor of your favorite fighter. I get it now.

Spot on mate, some of these blokes in here have no shame what so ever, even when the guys robbed they still cheer on the winner because he is their flavour for the month, puts me off being a fan myself because this is a discusting way to win a fight, even more so cheering and carrying on like you won it on a shut out even before the decision is announced. Guys like lenny eventually get exposed just like the Hussein brothers.

His a good boxer but he wont go very far if he contuines to fight like he did tonight.

[IntentionalButt]

Ey cunt came in three pounds over...then had the shits that they wanted him to lose more weight?

Who gives a fuck what happened to him?

"IBO" notwithstanding, it wasn't like this was a contest for a major title. The scales don't matter if everybody agrees to go ahead with the fight.

[Sandman_]

I certainly don't get it.
The guy who won the fight should be the winner in the judges eyes, always, no matter who is fighting.
No one should ever be looked after.

I didn't see the fight, and I'm happy that Zappa won, but by the sounds of how the fight went, I'm not happy if he won it on the wrong terms.
Zappa fought on neutral turf with neutral judges (who it would seem know a lot more about how the sport works than the dopes posting on this thread) & you're bitching about the decision in a fight you didn't even see?

Please.

[Sandman_]

"IBO" notwithstanding, it wasn't like this was a contest for a major title. The scales don't matter if everybody agrees to go ahead with the fight.
I'm sure Zappa would have been given plenty more opportunities on Showtime if he pulled out at the last minute.

Don't piss down our backs & tell us it's raining.

[IntentionalButt]

I'm sure Zappa would have been given plenty more opportunities on Showtime if he pulled out at the last minute.

Don't piss down our backs & tell us it's raining.

Can the jingo act, it gets old in a hurry.

[Sandman_]

Just watched it for the second time and cannot possibly see how Lenny got the nod.

Also couldn't help noticing the sense of disorganisation in Lenny's corner.
Tommy needs to control things a lot better than that. It really seemed like panic was setting in a couple of time and this can't be good for the fighter between rounds

Congrats to Lenny, but a lot of work needs to be done by the entire team.

Then watch it again with the volume turned off. You might notice that many of the one-two's that Angulo throws are taken on Lenny's gloves instead of bouncing off his face as Antonio Tarver was making out.

You may also have given Lenny the first four rounds straight instead of splitting them 2-2 as Steve Farhood did.

You might also have given Lenny the 11th based on pure guts & determination (I know I did). In the 12th, rewatch the opening exchanges and see who gets through with the clean punches and who misses.

If you see any of those things when you rewatch it for a third time you may understand how it could be 6-6 in rounds with a point deduction along the way giving Zappa the win.

Onya Lenny!

[ashley]

"IBO" notwithstanding, it wasn't like this was a contest for a major title. The scales don't matter if everybody agrees to go ahead with the fight.

Sorry mate cant agree with this.....3lbs at 135 makes a considerable difference.....credit to zappa for taking the fight.....it was close....Angulos 1/2 punches 99% of the time hit the gloves....flip a coin for the result

[Sox]

Zappa fought on neutral turf with neutral judges (who it would seem know a lot more about how the sport works than the dopes posting on this thread) & you're bitching about the decision in a fight you didn't even see?

Please.
Up yours, I'm not bitching about anything.
All reports claim that Zappa was robbed, and a robbery is a robbery. Doesn't matter who it is, it's not good for the sport. Period.

And whether I have seen the fight or not, how does that change whether it was a robbery or not.

Please all right. :patsch

[Francis75]

There are certainly some hypocrites on this forum who applaud an Aussie winning by robbery then have a whinge if the Aussie gets robbed. Fuckin joke some people.

[Sandman_]

Up yours, I'm not bitching about anything.
All reports claim that Zappa was robbed, and a robbery is a robbery. Doesn't matter who it is, it's not good for the sport. Period.

And whether I have seen the fight or not, how does that change whether it was a robbery or not.

Please all right. :patsch
You are bitching.

And about a fight you didn't even see.

Pull your head in you goose.:lol:

[Sydney Smutt]

I'd like to hear what Phil has to say about Lennys win. While I am a big supporter of Lenny, unfortunately this time round he got beaten fair and square by Angulo. You only have to look at all of the swelling and bruising on zappas face...promoters decision of course


Well that ain't gunna happen is it? And you wanna hear from the CSAC - they appoint the officials for ALL world title fights.

[teke]

It was wasnt it.Yep, and Lenny was up by 5 rds on 2 cards:admin:-(

[perfect jet]

Sorry mate cant agree with this.....3lbs at 135 makes a considerable difference.....credit to zappa for taking the fight.....it was close....Angulos 1/2 punches 99% of the time hit the gloves....flip a coin for the result

What happened to the no excuses for Zappa? :lol:

3 pounds does make a difference Ash. So does 2 weeks notice that Angulo got to take the fight. The three pounds was inconsequential in the ring...Angulo was just too experienced and moved too well for Zappa.

Flip of the coin? bs. One clear winner in that fight. 9-3, 8-4 Angulo. Funny you mention Angulo not scoring with his punches, other than some nice body work, what did Lenny hit Angulo with?

You can never be sure if Angulo will make weight but if he had a decent prep and did make 135 he would have beat Lenny even easier than what he did today.

[goodnight]

Then watch it again with the volume turned off. You might notice that many of the one-two's that Angulo throws are taken on Lenny's gloves instead of bouncing off his face as Antonio Tarver was making out.

You may also have given Lenny the first four rounds straight instead of splitting them 2-2 as Steve Farhood did.

You might also have given Lenny the 11th based on pure guts & determination (I know I did). In the 12th, rewatch the opening exchanges and see who gets through with the clean punches and who misses.

If you see any of those things when you rewatch it for a third time you may understand how it could be 6-6 in rounds with a point deduction along the way giving Zappa the win.

Onya Lenny!

I just watched a d/l with no sound, should have been a draw at best for zap.:huh

[Sox]

You are bitching.

And about a fight you didn't even see.

Pull your head in you goose.:lol:
Fuck off idiot. :hi:

[Sandman_]

I just watched a d/l with no sound, should have been a draw at best for zap.:huh
Good for you, son.

Watch it again with the Godfather music on & let us know how many Lenny wins by.

[ashley]

What happened to the no excuses for Zappa? :lol:

3 pounds does make a difference Ash. So does 2 weeks notice that Angulo got to take the fight. The three pounds was inconsequential in the ring...Angulo was just too experienced and moved too well for Zappa.

Flip of the coin? bs. One clear winner in that fight. 9-3, 8-4 Angulo. Funny you mention Angulo not scoring with his punches, other than some nice body work, what did Lenny hit Angulo with?

You can never be sure if Angulo will make weight but if he had a decent prep and did make 135 he would have beat Lenny even easier than what he did today.

If you brush Tarvers nuts away from your forehead you will see the fight a bit different :lol:

[perfect jet]

If you brush Tarvers nuts away from your forehead you will see the fight a bit different :lol:

:lol:

Your chewing two sets of dusters now...Chocs and Zappas. My vision is fine :D

[Contendo]

IB... The history of Boxing is littered by Bullshit biast decisions made by empty headed yanks. That will never change. Zappa is the GBP lad and Angulos prospects in the future were limited in PPV $$$ for GBP.. Thats the business.

Stop twisting and spinning the arguement back to us mate.. Its the Dopey American monopoloisers that create the unjust decisions time and time again.. Stupid Yanks with no care, sense, pride or shame are the reason for the shape of Boxing today..

Yep... I'm a happy Aussie to see Lenny get the verdict.


Flam, I'm sure GBP (Golden Boy Promotions) love your thought process about Lenny being their prospect, however I'm sure GSP (Gary Shaw Productions) might be a bit miffed!!!

[markuspd]

I watched the replay and scored the fight instead of just watching it.
I am surprised but no doubt in my mind now that the aussie won.
Most of Angulos shots were on gloves or not landing at all.
The blood looked bad for LZ and generally it appeared that Angulo threw more punches but when you look closer LZ won imo.
Having said that I think there were four or more rounds too close to call.

[DeVoy]

Then watch it again with the volume turned off. You might notice that many of the one-two's that Angulo throws are taken on Lenny's gloves instead of bouncing off his face as Antonio Tarver was making out.

You may also have given Lenny the first four rounds straight instead of splitting them 2-2 as Steve Farhood did.

You might also have given Lenny the 11th based on pure guts & determination (I know I did). In the 12th, rewatch the opening exchanges and see who gets through with the clean punches and who misses.

If you see any of those things when you rewatch it for a third time you may understand how it could be 6-6 in rounds with a point deduction along the way giving Zappa the win.

Onya Lenny!

It could have been, sure. But 116-111 x 2 was ridiculous. 114-113 Zappa I can take. Even then, I thought he lost the fight, but the scorecards just made it silly.

[dominator]

Good to see Zappa win, but disappointing to see him win in this manner.

I don't care which boxer wins this way, it's just an indictment on the sport to see results like this handed.

I thought Angulo won by a couple but with the point deduction knew it would be a close decision. A 116-111 scorecard in favour of Zappa is ludicrous.

Put it this way, if results like this are being handed at the top level of the sport, how many fighters in the am's are losing career opportunities and turning away from the sport due to such decisions and politics.

A rematch would be nice, but unlikely, ala Dib - Marali.

[this bloke]

the scorecard were a bit lopsided but i didnt see a robbery, i had a few but i scored it 7-5 for angulo so with the point of thats 114-113 right. the fight had alot of close rounds and could of gone either way, but that doesnt make a robberry.the fight reminded me alot of the mosley-mayorga fight a little while ago without the last second ko, very messy lots of punches looking like they landed, but were blocked or slippped,but one fighter landing the better shots

i think there is a bit of over reacting by a few people who just watched the figh6t and by atleast one who hasnt watched it:patsch
this was no robbery

anyway go zappaaaaaaa
long way to go still, but you can do it

[Sandman_]

Good to see Zappa win, but disappointing to see him win in this manner.

I don't care which boxer wins this way, it's just an indictment on the sport to see results like this handed.

I thought Angulo won by a couple but with the point deduction knew it would be a close decision. A 116-111 scorecard in favour of Zappa is ludicrous.

Put it this way, if results like this are being handed at the top level of the sport, how many fighters in the am's are losing career opportunities and turning away from the sport due to such decisions and politics.

A rematch would be nice, but unlikely, ala Dib - Marali.
Would you give the guy a rematch when you know full well he's going to come in at a weight division above what he's contracted to come in at?

Some of you blokes are off with the pixie's and not dealing with reality.

Zappa got what he went to the US for. A fight against a live opponent that will enhance his skills no end.

He fought on neutral turf with neutral officials and fortunately for us, they saw enough in his performance to give him the nod.

Be grateful for it.

[Sox]

i think there is a bit of over reacting by a few people who just watched the figh6t and by atleast one who hasnt watched it:patsch
WTF is wrong with you guys, can't you read?
I never said the fight was a robbery, as I clearly said I hadn't seen it.

What I said was that robberys are never good for the sport, and that I'm happy that Zappa won, but I'm not happy if it's on the wrong terms.

[donkeyking]

There is a handy rule I use when in doubt. Take a look at both fighters faces after the fight. The one with the pizza face is the one that lost.

End of discussion.

[ashley]

WTF is wrong with you guys, can't you read?
I never said the fight was a robbery, as I clearly said I hadn't seen it.

What I said was that robberys are never good for the sport, and that I'm happy that Zappa won, but I'm not happy if it's on the wrong terms.


STFU..... Drama kostenlos ein :lol:

[rongee90]

There is a handy rule I use when in doubt. Take a look at both fighters faces after the fight. The one with the pizza face is the one that lost.

End of discussion.

Indeed. Besides the head clash, Zappa's face had all the swelling and bruising. I personally judged it a majority to Angulo. Zappa put in a great fight but still needs a lot of work.

Hopefully Zappa will learn alot from this fight otherwise he will be exposed on the next one! Tommy & the rest of the corner need to get there act together. Unorganised and too much panic from what I saw...

[losty21s4u]

i'd like to hear what phil has to say about lennys win. While i am a big supporter of lenny, unfortunately this time round he got beaten fair and square by angulo. You only have to look at all of the swelling and bruising on zappas face...promoters decision of course

yeah headbuts
great judge you are lenny won the fight
landed cleanly

[losty21s4u]

indeed. Besides the head clash, zappa's face had all the swelling and bruising. I personally judged it a majority to angulo. Zappa put in a great fight but still needs a lot of work.

Hopefully zappa will learn alot from this fight otherwise he will be exposed on the next one! Tommy & the rest of the corner need to get there act together. Unorganised and too much panic from what i saw...

yeah what ever
you must be billy hussein's best mate
best corner worked lennys
great work by tommy to close the cut

[Hmmm]

Watched the fight. Not sure who commentated the fight in Australia but the the American ones started becoming anti-zappa about 1/2 way through the fight when they realised this prospect wasnt as hot as he was blown up to be.

Zappa has some power, but he got discouraged and lost for answers when he noticed they weren't hurting Angulo as much as he'd hoped.

What really stuck out though, as patrick has already mentioned, was the corner work. Absolutely terrible. Where was the cut man?? That was a big cut and someone really needed to tend to that cut as soon as Lenny's ass hit that chair, but unfortunately that 'somebody' was the trainer himself. Instead it was only tended to at the end of the break with a bit of vaso and an occasional cotton bud. The trainer was therefore concentrating on cleaning Lenny up instead of giving him some instructions as to how to beat Angulo. And then he should at least remain somewhat calm. The guy was f*kn shaking from adrenaline... yelling around at everyone who was totally disorganised as if this was the first time they had ever had a losing fighter with a cut. All in all terrible work. In addition I wasnt sure whether he was representing australia or italy. the italian flag was being waved around everywhere including his mouthguard. only saw one brief flash of the aussie flag.

As for who won, IMO it was a close fight. I did give the last 2 rounds to LZ, so it could easily have gone either way. But a 116-111 score to LZ was rediculous.

[boxoncottonon]

yeah what ever
you must be billy hussein's best mate
best corner worked lennys
great work by tommy to close the cut


G'day newbie cunt!!
Whatcha know about boxing?
You boxed before.... Who's you favorite fighter??

[rongee90]

yeah what ever
you must be billy hussein's best mate
best corner worked lennys
great work by tommy to close the cut


You must must be a soccer player...ha ha! go to bed kid!

[losty21s4u]

you must must be a soccer player...ha ha! Go to bed kid!

should get behind out young talent not come online and bag them
watch the replay and you will see who won
lenny won the fight watched it with out volume and see.

[Sox]

STFU..... Drama kostenlos ein :lol:
Bite me. :tong
I'm sick of knob jockeys taking things out of context. Can't people read? :verysad

[ashley]

Bite me. :tong
I'm sick of knob jockeys taking things out of context. Can't people read? :verysad

HA-HA....pretty sure I was just paraphrasing you little dummy spit the other day :D

[stiflers mum]

Sorry mate cant agree with this.....3lbs at 135 makes a considerable difference.....credit to zappa for taking the fight.....it was close....Angulos 1/2 punches 99% of the time hit the gloves....flip a coin for the result
:lol:jesus christ Ash i was going for LZ too but you have zero objectivity thinking it was flip of the coin.

[perfect jet]

should get behind out young talent not come online and bag them
watch the replay and you will see who won
lenny won the fight watched it with out volume and see.

Of course the Showtime judges were biased towards Angulo. Even though Zappa is signed by Shaw and GSP is cosy with Showtime, getting next to all the tv dates on the network. Nah, the Showtime crew were really pushing for a Venezuelan kid who had 6 losses, and had lost his last two. The kid who took the fight on two weeks notice. Angulo was worth so much to the network, they had to spruke him, even though a win wasn't going to get him a belt. Angulo was to be Showtimes next Gatti - he just need some hype, even at 29 years of age.

OR how about this....

Maybe the crew just called it how they saw it. Like, objectively.

maybe???

[IntentionalButt]

Of course the Showtime judges were biased towards Angulo. Even though Zappa is signed by Shaw and GSP is cosy with Showtime, getting next to all the tv dates on the network. Nah, the Showtime crew were really pushing for a Venezuelan kid who had 6 losses, and had lost his last two. The kid who took the fight on two weeks notice. Angulo was worth so much to the network, they had to spruke him, even though a win wasn't going to get him a belt. Angulo was to be Showtimes next Gatti - he just need some hype, even at 29 years of age.

OR how about this....

Maybe the crew just called it how they saw it. Like, objectively.

maybe???

:deal

[Sox]

HA-HA....pretty sure I was just paraphrasing you little dummy spit the other day :D
Nah mate you're cool, they know who they are.:good

[ashley]

:lol:jesus christ Ash i was going for LZ too but you have zero objectivity thinking it was flip of the coin.

How did you score it mate?

I gave Zappa rounds 1, 2 and 3....round 7.....round 11 and 12...plus the point off made it quite even...its close mate....6 to 5 Zappa with 1 round being a draw

[Hmmm]

i scored the same rounds as ash, which would make it even for me, bar the 1 point deduction therefore 114-113

[stiflers mum]

LZ 3 of first 4 .1 round after that. one 9-9 round with the ridiculous IMO point deduction.like the Dragons-Bulldogs game last year when Idris scored at the end to win the game but the video ref ruled a bullshit obstruction call against Soward and the Dragons won.sure the team or in this case the fighter i supported won but lets not pretend he
deserved it.hopefully LZ can make the most of this gift.
IMO Kessler/Calzaghe was as close as that.Lenny faded or Angulo figured him out after the 4th.hey bad decisions happen.

[Kegsy]

I had it 114-113 to Angulo...real close but leant slighly to him.
I can see Lenny Zappa winning a close nod like the 114-113 card for Zappa...but 116-111 was no doubt quite wide.

[stiflers mum]

I had it 114-113 to Angulo...real close but leant slighly to him.
I can see Lenny Zappa winning a close nod like the 114-113 card for Zappa...but 116-111 was no doubt quite wide.
they say its different at the fight than on TV but gee 5 points difference.the commentators were ringside they had no loyalties either way and know their boxing we know what their opinions were.Angulo got robbed.

[wangman]

I thought it was a close fight,angulo by 1-2 rounds. Lenny has alot of work to do though.

[zelky]

Some of these blokes in here have no shame what so ever

Coming from you that is priceless.

[TCboxa]

Coming from you that is priceless.

Hey sook, what are you talking about? I'll show ya something priceless if i get ahold of your neck Zelky! :good

[zelky]

Hey sook, what are you talking about? I'll show ya something priceless if i get ahold of your neck Zelky! :good

Ey Ty,

Best of luck with your fight in Thailand. Just a tip...a whole range of people you have lied about and put shit on have Thai friends that would do anything for them for a dollar or two.

When you are crossing the road in Thailand make sure to look left and right.

And also be very aware when you are out at night.

Again, best of luck Hot Sauce.

[Dr Gonzo]

Ey Ty,

Best of luck with your fight in Thailand. Just a tip...a whole range of people you have lied about and put shit on have Thai friends that would do anything for them for a dollar or two.

When you are crossing the road in Thailand make sure to look left and right.

And also be very aware when you are out at night.

Again, best of luck Hot Sauce.

jesus dude calm down, internet threats? what did he do? :think

[zelky]

I have not threatened anyone. I've given Ty fair warning...which I have been trying to do for a long time. He's at the mercy of everyone he's put shit on now. I can't keep the gate closed forever.

I've given him some great travel tips. If you think otherwise call the police mate.

[TCboxa]

too hot headed for your own good zelky. :nono

Ill be just fine in thailand thanks for the support champ. :happy

[zelky]

No worries Hot Sauce.

The quote below is from a thread Ty has going at his "private" site where he is explaining to everyone how his training is going for his upcoming professional debut in Thailand.

He's explained to people who don't know him and that will never meet him that he is persecuted in NSW and cannot get a fair shake. But he will never explain the real reasons why he has burned all his bridges, and makes up a range of lies that truly prove how deluded he is. Because I'm telling you right now no sane man could believe the shit this cunt believes.

He's also showing them designs of the tattoo he is going to get before his debut and asking for opinions...lol.

If I could get a hold of the lot of it for you all to see and read it would be a real treat. It's as scattered as a mad old womans shit.

Ive had to move the training diary to protect myself from potential crazys who think they know people in thailand and have made public threats to sabotage the fight and to pay thai thugs to do physical harm to me before the bout.

Like I said...priceless! If you were any more deluded/insane you would need to be locked up...to protect yourself from yourself.

Do you want me to house mind for you while you are away champ?

[TCboxa]

Well zelky you did post the warnings/threats. Did you expect me to jump up and down in joy poof? dont go quoting sht from private forums either or ill ban you.

[zelky]

When you wake up from your drug/alcohol stupor tomorrow afternoon, you might want to check to see who physically threatened who first Ty? If that is all you have to go on? Take it to the bank cunt.

Ey you are using this as an excuse because you are still 100kg and your tattoo won't be ready before you go.

How the fuck did you get to 100kg?

Now do everyone a favour and explain to them why you have to have your debut in Thailand again.

[TCboxa]

im 76kg atm and looking dam sexy! would you like to pop over for a cup of coffe or latte so we can disscuss this further?

Now do yourself a favour, get off the PC and go look after your mother Zelky, i know your under alot of stress so im giving you alot of lead way here. Do you recall the last time you made threats to me yrs ago? i had to get someone to have a good talk to you and you pulled ya head in, whats happen to you Zelky?

[zelky]

Do you recall the last time you made threats to me yrs ago? i had to get someone to have a good talk to you and you pulled ya head in, whats happen to you Zelky?

Yeah me and the boys had a good chat and a laugh at how much of a fucken goose you are, and they gave me two t shirts and we've all been firm friend since?

You fucken deluded lying kook what do you think happened or what would you like the lie you want people to believe?

That's two other great people you are not friend with either anymore...remember? Everyone like that has dropped you like a hot turd. They've been nothing but great friends to me and I've continued to be there friend also.

I figure you'd delete the below text, and ban me from "your" private website where you trade copyright content then act like you've never done anything wrong in your lfie...so I've copy/pasted it here again below so you can read it again.

I've lost the plot?

I'm not the deluded one lying to everyone in a private forum about why I need to go to Thailand for a boxing debut.

Try as hard as you want to make me look crazy. It won't work. A few people there who do not know us will take your side but you can have that shallow victory.

When they find out your an idiot you'll have to buy new friends and ban the old ones from here.

Everyone that is friends and who know each other and know what is going on knows who's crazy...going back to you doing a denial of service attack on ABF all those years ago.

[TCboxa]

I dont need to delete sht, your digging ya own hole here and at BT m8.

[zelky]

When you coming to Sydney mate...heaps of people would like to catch up with you?

Nader, one among many others, can't wait to say gday again from what I hear.

[TCboxa]

yeah typical style for your crew, how many vs 1 would it take you guys do you rekon? cause none of you will fight 1 vs 1 lol as for Nader id love to spar that retard, i asked him when i was in Sydney sparring Dibb but he rekon i was too light, i rekon his a chicken! LOL dont worry about dropping everyone elses name Mr Keyboard Warrior, what about yourself? Up for the challenge or it would take Billy Hussein 10 yrs to get you any good? hahaha

[Marcus]

:pop

[zelky]

You still going to Thailand bra? I'll be there when you are! We'll catch up for sure.

[TCboxa]

No Nancy boy its changed now to Sydney.. you got the big mouth and threats i thought you put ya hand up to fight me for my debut in Sydney? rekon you can get registerd or they wont allow retards to be licenced boxers?

[zelky]

No Nancy boy its changed now to Sydney.. you got the big mouth and threats i thought you put ya hand up to fight me for my debut in Sydney? rekon you can get registerd or they wont allow retards to be licenced boxers?

You are now truly showing yourself to be the loser you are. This was what you tried with me originally all those years ago when you also did the denial of service attack on the ABF forum.

You tried to challenge me to fight you professionally then...lol. You fucken stupid deluded loop...you've gone full circle on yourself and resorted to being the loser you always were as you've got no where else to turn.

Why do you want to debut against a 42 year old who is not a pro boxer? Never has been? Will never be?

How the fuck would I make 100Kg to fight you ya dumn fat cunt?

I'm 6 foot and walk around 82kg? You are 5'4" and you got to 100kg somehow?

What fighter that used to fight at 64kg blows out to 100kg and still thinks anyone would take him seriously in any way??? It's OK to blow out a bit in weight when your career is over but you are still a young man apparently in your prime and you let yourself go to the point you got to 100kg.

You don't need to make a pro debut you need to go on fucken Oprah! Your the same size it would look great a real contrast between useless fuckwits.

You've never had a career and never will. All just more deluded shit talk which you've ruined by burning all your bridges.

What the fuck were you doing your drugs with...butter?

Tell us another deluded story about why you have to debut in Thailand...oh wait your going to debut in Sydney now?

Are you sure that is a good idea?

And you reckon I'm nuts?

See you in Sydney.

[donkeyking]

No need to watch Desperate Housewives. Just read ESB for all the drama.

[TCboxa]

LOL zelky, cant you read ya fruit loop? i already told you im 76kg, i got down to 80kg within a few weeks of getting back from thailand, a photo was posted in that thread you sabotaged with your threats to derail the fight. I also said id fight at your weight and ill even tie one arm behind my back for you, you seem to want to hurt me so badly but cant do it yourself even when given the oppertunity to do so, is that right?

Throwing other peoples names out there to do your dirty work for you? is that right? Ive not had a pro fight either so thats fair isnt it? If im deluded as you say and you rekon you got the best trainer in the world in Billy Hussein, how can you knock this one back Nancy Boy?

Thailand was nice last yr, sussed out the scene and made some friends, cant wait to fight there this yr, atleast i know they have plenty of opponents willing to have a go, not like your mate Billy Hussein who wouldnt put Bobby Antoknos in against me cause he knew id bash him stupid, only takes easy fights blah blah but his your mate so the sun shines out his azz doesnt it zelky?

Hope your happy in your boys club mate, wanker!~

[zelky]

I love my friends Ty. If everything I'm saying and doing is wrong you could stop responding?

Another deluded post about your so called attempts to set up a pro fight. There is only one person in the world who believes your shit Ty.

Everyone else knows what happened and we ALL still talk to each other. We were friends before you came along and we will remain friends.

ALL being all the people who dropped you like a hot turd for being the spinner you are.

How did you get to 100kg? Please tell us all.

[TCboxa]

Why dont you tells us why you talk so much sht but cant back any of it up unless your with a group of mates?

[zelky]

Why dont you tells us why you talk so much sht but cant back any of it up unless your with a group of mates?

Ty,

Last bloke I shot no one held the gun for me? And I did it by myself? No back up/no driver just me..are you referring to that incident?

[ashley]

Ty,

Last bloke I shot no one held the gun for me? And I did it by myself? No back up/no driver just me..are you referring to that incident?

WTF....NOW YOUR TALKING ABOUT SHOOTING PEOPLE :patsch

[TCboxa]

LOL you are so deluded its not funny! Hope u like my avatar! hahaha

Cap guns dont count Zelky, back to the loonie farm for you! PMSL

Cant throw a straight punch to save your life but you can shoot a gun straight? hahaha i can picture u now pulling it out, bit of a fumble slip and you drop the gun, it goes off and you shoot yaself in the azzz! hahahaha

Keep it coming Zelky, ur good value! should be in a circus you fckn clown :silly:lol: hang on you already are, Billy Husseins circus :lol:

[zelky]

Keep laughing Ty. You know deep down what you now have to face up to for the rest of your life. And you bought it all on yourself.

I told you back at the start call me crazy and try to make me look crazy as much as you want. The people who know and understand this situation do not need to be convinced of my sanity.

[TCboxa]

Face upto Mr Loonie bin cap gun specialist? PMSL please zelky.. ive seen you in action at crewfighter mate and it was sad to say the least, its no wonder you need that cap gun to protect you hahahah

I call a spade a spade mate and you have shown yourself to be a bit loopy in this thread, im sure all the people who understand your sickness are not posting because they feel your doing a fine job on your own when really they dont want to associate themselfs with your posts because your an embrasment to yourself.

How old did you say you were again 42? and your making threats on an internet forum? theres a reason people like you dont have children Zelky! fck no hoper, 42 yrs old and still living at home! your a classic! hahahaha

[Rise Above]

Get a room you two. :-(

[TCboxa]

Who pays the damage bill? I got to throw him through a few walls atleast and his cap gun is likely to smoke the joint up, possibly some residual burns on the carpet when he reloads his cap gun in a blazing trail of glory! LOL

[Sox]

WTF....NOW YOUR TALKING ABOUT SHOOTING PEOPLE :patsch
:gun

[abe01]

wow THIS COULDA WON A OSCAR

[goodnight]

was gonna say - take this to pms,


but fuck it, its fun to read!

[Dr Gonzo]

Ty,

Last bloke I shot no one held the gun for me? And I did it by myself? No back up/no driver just me..are you referring to that incident?

yeah righto Carl Williams calm down, no one wants to hear your porno stories

[Sydney Smutt]

You are now truly showing yourself to be the loser you are.

Why do you want to debut against a 42 year old who is not a pro boxer? Never has been? Will never be?

How the fuck would I make 100Kg to fight you ya dumn fat cunt? I'm 6 foot and walk around 82kg? You are 5'4" and you got too 100kg somehow?

What the fuck were you doing your drugs with...butter?

Tell us another deluded story about why you have to debut in Thailand...oh wait your going to debut in Sydney now?

Are you sure that is a good idea?

And you reckon I'm nuts?

See you in Sydney.

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Regardless of anything else, that line is sheer comedic gold!

[Sydney Smutt]

Nader Hamden is a retard? That line there makes you out to be a cunt if nothing else does! He got in the ring with anyone in a stellar career and fought o/s as well. Why the fuck would he be scared of the "Riverina Champion"

[Marcus]

im enjoying this..... my money is on zelky for the ring a ding ding dust up

[Dr Gonzo]

this is our own version of Zelenoff and Hartley

make it happen!

[TCboxa]

Yeah ok Smutty a bit harsh on the retard bit with Nader but ur still a fag, i got a bit loose in the tounge with that one as when he lost to Otis a while ago i posted on ABF boxing forum and said he should retire, he phoned me up going off his head pretty much the same thug way he was in the Contender show so i threw that one out in anger, he isnt retarted like Zelky and i dont think he is chicken but it was strange that he wouldnt spar me at the time claiming i was too light then we see guys like Zappa sparring Mundine? atleast Dibb had a go i guess, was worth the trip.

[Sydney Smutt]

I am a fag cos you were wrong... you really are a pathetic cunt of the highest order aren't you Ty?

[TCboxa]

Like i said, ur still a fag, too predictable huckleberry! hahaha

[boxoncottonon]

So, i'm wondering how you got to 100kg....lithium, zannex...????

[Sydney Smutt]

Like i said, ur still a fag, too predictable huckleberry! hahaha

Brilliant, just sheer brilliance! :patsch

[flamengo]

Flam, I'm sure GBP (Golden Boy Promotions) love your thought process about Lenny being their prospect, however I'm sure GSP (Gary Shaw Productions) might be a bit miffed!!!

LMAO.. I FKT up with the B & S... I'm normally good at that......!!!!

[flamengo]

So, i'm wondering how you got to 100kg....lithium, zannex...????

Cow Sperm injected orally.....?

[boxoncottonon]

Cow Sperm injected orally.....?

Probably self prescribed.....definately invovled an overdose.

[zelky]

How old did you say you were again 42? and your making threats on an internet forum? theres a reason people like you dont have children Zelky! fck no hoper, 42 yrs old and still living at home! your a classic! hahahaha

I don't live at home? I pay the rent for me and my Mum to live together in a rental property?

Which is probably a pretty good idea as I have been looking after her full time for the past 12 months as you would know...since she got cancer and has been going through chemotherapy remember?

As for the rest of your weird post...why are you talking about kids? Lets remember I didn't say anything or start talking about kids or anyones kid.

Ty you are in serious trouble. Talking on here as if nothing is wrong won't change that fact. Deep down you know it. The more you talk, the more stupid you look in front of an ever increasing audience.

A person with any semblance of sanity would just shut the fuck up, walk away and realise he is never going to be anything ever ANYWHERE near Sydney for all the stupid shit you've done and said about people...nothing more, nothing less. You keep deluding yourself though and keep posting away.

Keep spinning shit and attacking people on here to try to make it look different, but as I said before and I'll repeat again the "real" people in the "real" world, who know and who need to know, are fully aware of who you are and what you are. You can't change that anymore.

I hope you are also aware that banning me from "that" site is completely ineffective. To stop me getting what you want to deny me, you'd need to ban a whole bunch of people who will give me what I want from the same place? What are you going to do ban all the Australian members? You are completely piss weak and powerless in every respect. Please be aware of that and remember it.

[20a87]

I watched the fight this morning and personally had angulo winning by a couple of points, however I could (just) live with the 114-113 score to zappa but no way in hell was it 116-111. Zappa just looked like a kid trying to impress with an early ko and couldn't adapt when angulo showed that he wasn't just going to bend over. The commentary were spot on in regards to zappa's right hand being awful. This was an ugly fight.

Lots of people have written stupid things about this fight. A gift decision should not happen because the guy is the prospect, robberies are never good for the sport. Someone said they reckon zappa won a couple of rounds on 'heart' which is a ridiculous notion. The best guy on the night should win period. Also you can't measure a fight by facial damage.

The corner work was far too frenetic and no-one told him to throw straight punches.

[TCboxa]

Well i guess Zelky has arose some curosity.. i got to 95kg it wasnt 100kg but close lol, i got a job as an IT tech and was sitting on my ass all day for 12 months, stoped training and closed down my gym for a while, i had given boxing away and decided to hit the weights, put on a bit of fat in the gut but chunked up alot in the arms also from hitting the weights, looked a tone better for it too, i look like ive got cancer when im at 64kg lol, here is a pic from thailand ,[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Whilst in thailand in 2009 i went to fights and it was an awsome experiance, i was going to have a kickboxing fight then injured my leg and had to get stitches so it was back to boxing.

Zelky i know all about your Mum and its why i tried to get you to chill a bit and laught it off but you still persist and then threatn communities that share fights, throw peoples names in the mix, make threats to have harm come to me etc blah blah blah. Get off the forums mate and relax as for sanity, a person with sanity wouldnt make threats on a fckn internet forum mate. I havent spun any sht, your the one making the threats and a goose of yourself.

All the fictional people in the world would agree with you zelky lets leave it at that shall we Mr Loonie bin! haha

[zelky]

Well i guess Zelky has arose some curosity.. i got to 95kg it wasnt 100kg but close lol, i got a job as an IT tech and was sitting on my ass all day for 12 months, stoped training and closed down my gym for a while, i had given boxing away and decided to hit the weights, put on a bit of fat in the gut but chunked up alot in the arms also from hitting the weights, looked a tone better for it too, i look like ive got cancer when im at 64kg lol, here is a pic from thailand ,[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Whilst in thailand in 2009 i went to fights and it was an awsome experiance, i was going to have a kickboxing fight then injured my leg and had to get stitches so it was back to boxing.

Zelky i know all about your Mum and its why i tried to get you to chill a bit and laught it off but you still persist and then threatn communities that share fights, throw peoples names in the mix, make threats to have harm come to me etc blah blah blah. Get off the forums mate and relax as for sanity, a person with sanity wouldnt make threats on a fckn internet forum mate. I havent spun any sht, your the one making the threats and a goose of yourself.

All the fictional people in the world would agree with you zelky lets leave it at that shall we Mr Loonie bin! haha

Stop trying to pretend to be normal! It's not working! Why are you trying to make out that I have lost it because I am looking after my sick Mum? You are fucken classless. You cannot wriggle out of this by trying to make me look insane or bad in any way. But to try to use my Mum's illness to say that I am not of sound mind? Jesus you really are a dirty, nasty classless piece of shit. I've known it for a long time but I have now confirmed it for myself.

It can also be seen clear as day that you have threatened me first in here, not the other way around as you state.

Posts 77 by you, and 78 by me quoting you show you to be the first person to issue physical threats.

I don't have a problem with that but you need to understand you made the first physical threat and there is also no way you can spin any shit to make it look different. This idea you have that I threatened you first is again pure fantasy of someone who is obviously not of sound mind.

You need to see a psychiatrist. Book in as soon as possible. Your life truly depends on it you'll never resolve these issues you have, and the future welfare of your poor, poor partner and child are at stake. I don't give a fuck about you but it's extremely difficult not to feel sorry for those closest to you.

These people don't want to read your shit or my shit. This is over. Best of luck with your life.

[patrick]

Ty, I feel that I have to congratulate you!

You obviously come onto this forum with the intention of convincing everyone that your a delusional moron.

Well, you've got the thumbs up from me champ, I'm convinced 100%

[TCboxa]

yeah im delusional cause ive got a cap gun that goes BAM BAM! lmao, one of zelkys buddies no doubt with a whooping 35 posts to his name.

Zelky stop using your Mum you have no shame do you!

[ipswich express]

yeah im delusional cause ive got a cap gun that goes BAM BAM! lmao, one of zelkys buddies no doubt with a whooping 35 posts to his name.

Zelky stop using your Mum you have no shame do you!

I don't know if this is a joke, but if it is, it's poorly aimed.

[TCboxa]

No no lol.. he is using his Mum as Ammo the sick bastard. I gave him the benifit of the doubt thinking the stress was getting to him as i know about the situation with his mum and have mention this already in previouse replys but the fag keeps going on with the threats and crap then when i do remind him about his mum he throws in a heap of lines about her to get the sympathy rolling in.

He has lived with his Mum before she got cancer! whats his excuse for that LOL? No women, No car! fckn looser giving me sht when he should be having a go in life.

[TCboxa]

OH and Patrick is Phil Austin, he thinks im spidot also lol

patrick
newbie


Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 35
vCash: 500 Re: Will the IBO wipe Mundine?

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The IBO in recent years have strived for credibility in Australia mainly due to the efforts of their local representative.
The last couple of years has seen some positive moves by the org, putting on some big bouts and really getting their name out there.
Although I didn't agree with the sanctioning of the Mundine-Medley bout, I firmly believe that the message they sent was the right one.
Contrary to what Team Mundine may think, Sorry boys, your not bigger than the sport!
Should they ever have anything to do with Team Mundine again, imo they will undo whatever credibility thay gained by their stance

[patrick]

Don't know Zelky, don't have a gun and don't see what having 35 posts has to do with anything.

After 120 posts Ty, I'm still waiting for you to come out with something worth reading.

[flamengo]

Don't know Zelky, don't have a gun and don't see what having 35 posts has to do with anything.

After 120 posts Ty, I'm still waiting for you to come out with something worth reading.

Patrick, the dwarf ain't far from Lion's mouth right now mate. Ty, you should have quit whilst you have a head.

[TCboxa]

What would you like to read about Phil?

[TCboxa]

Patrick, the dwarf ain't far from Lion's mouth right now mate. Ty, you should have quit whilst you have a head.
Got mORe?

[zelky]

No no lol.. he is using his Mum as Ammo the sick bastard. I gave him the benifit of the doubt thinking the stress was getting to him as i know about the situation with his mum and have mention this already in previouse replys but the fag keeps going on with the threats and crap then when i do remind him about his mum he throws in a heap of lines about her to get the sympathy rolling in.

He has lived with his Mum before she got cancer! whats his excuse for that LOL? No women, No car! fckn looser giving me sht when he should be having a go in life.

I've quoted that for history sake so the maggot cannot delete it or try to deny it when he wakes up from his drug/alcohol stupor tomorrow afternoon/night.

Sorry for this crap everyone. I shouldn't have interfered/changed topic of this thread and I'll leave it as is at this point.

[flamengo]

I've quoted that for history sake.

Sorry for this crap everyone. I shouldn't have interfered/changed topic of this thread and I'll leave it as this point.


Full respects to you Z. :good

[Dr Gonzo]

come on guys lets stop whilst we are behind and get back to the topic of Lemme Zapyourvagina

[boxoncottonon]

This forum has one to many retarded midgets on it.

[ipswich express]

Flamengo, that is the single funniest thing I have ever seen on here!!! Owned hahaha.

[flamengo]

Flamengo, that is the single funniest thing I have ever seen on here!!! Owned hahaha.

Might have to lend Ty $3... He's a little short.....

[TCboxa]

Its you guys who are short, isnt it usually 5 against one with your crew?

[flamengo]

Its you guys who are short, isnt it usually 5 against one with your crew?


In this case, it's 5 against .2

[ipswich express]

Even you've got to dip your lid to that avatar Ty. It doesn't get much better than that mate... :)

[Dr Gonzo]

Even you've got to dip your lid to that avatar Ty. It doesn't get much better than that mate... :)

this is all going over my head :huh

[TCboxa]

LOL not as good as the one i had b4 of Zelky Ips!

[teke]

What the fuck were you doing your drugs with...butter?
.:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[teke]

In this case, it's 5 against .2:lol::lol:

[IntentionalButt]

This was at one point the "Angulo got Robbed" thread, yes? Was it merged with an unrelated one? :think

[LeonMcS]

Its an old Aussie tradition here.

Might even be law.

[teke]

Im gonna hijack this cunt again, where the fuck is MSTR? Anyone got a clue?

[IntentionalButt]

Im gonna hijack this cunt again, where the fuck is MSTR? Anyone got a clue?

On Oceanic flight 815 (Sydney to LA)? :think

[LeonMcS]

Maybe hes off having eggs.

They make really great eggs.

[teke]

On Oceanic flight 815 (Sydney to LA)? :think:lol::lol: Im in the middle of watching episode 6 of this fucking show. Its driving me bonkers

[Sydney Smutt]

OH and Patrick is Phil Austin, he thinks im spidot also lol

yep, you won't get any more conclusive proof than that fucktard! :patsch:patsch
:rofl:rofl:rofl

[Dr Gonzo]

Im gonna hijack this cunt again, where the fuck is MSTR? Anyone got a clue?

after Cotto lost to Margo he disappeared and claimed it had nothing to do with him having Cotto's scrotum as a goatee

He tried to come back a few times but got banned? I asked one of the mods and they said his account is still there and open. I wish the cunt would come back. Absolute classic poster. Send him a facebook message and see whats up

[ashley]

His taste in shoes puts Phil Austin to shame

[Dr Gonzo]

His taste in shoes puts Phil Austin to shame

the cunt has some of the best 80's and 90's nike high tops i ever saw :yep

i recently bought myself a pair of reebok pumps the other day. PIMP :happy

[ashley]

the cunt has some of the best 80's and 90's nike high tops i ever saw :yep

i recently bought myself a pair of reebok pumps the other day. PIMP :happy

Yeah wore pink gym shoes at the Kess v Joe fight :rofl

[stiflers mum]

WTF? this thread has gone ballistic.:lol:
some personal shit being thrown around.:lol: JESUS CHRIST.scoring the fight for LZ is optimism at its best.after round 3 he probably won 1 round.i concede that maybe the
closer rounds if given to him could have just,barely got him the win but Angulo clearly was the dominant fighter IMO.but who gives a fuck about that.zelky,TCboxa please continue.:pop

[ashley]

WTF? this thread has gone ballistic.:lol:
some personal shit being thrown around.:lol: JESUS CHRIST.scoring the fight for LZ is optimism at its best.after round 3 he probably won 1 round.i concede that maybe the
closer rounds if given to him could have just,barely got him the win but Angulo clearly was the dominant fighter IMO.but who gives a fuck about that.zelky,TCboxa please continue.:pop

They have their own thread now mate....they can keep all the :rant over there

[Dr Gonzo]

so back to the fight

i just wanted to talk about the corner for a minute... tommy mercuri didnt seem to have any control and at times it was taking them 30-40 seconds to get pressure on the cuts and even a wet fucking towel

there was one guy in particular that was a problem, 2nd assistant maybe, he was standing there going "your a fucking legend Lenny" instead of getting water etc

the guy needs to drop the hangers on and just have tommy, a decent cutman and another bloke

[20a87]

so back to the fight

i just wanted to talk about the corner for a minute... tommy mercuri didnt seem to have any control and at times it was taking them 30-40 seconds to get pressure on the cuts and even a wet fucking towel

there was one guy in particular that was a problem, 2nd assistant maybe, he was standing there going "your a fucking legend Lenny" instead of getting water etc

the guy needs to drop the hangers on and just have tommy, a decent cutman and another bloke

They waited till lenny sat down to look for the towel :patsch and whilst the main guy was panicking his fighter the 2nd popped up with something like "youre the champ lenny", there should be one voice and it should be calm and to the point.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

...he thinks im spidot...

What?

[Sydney Smutt]

His taste in shoes puts Phil Austin to shame

I heard the fat cunt ate them....

[Sydney Smutt]

Its you guys who are short, isnt it usually 5 against one with your crew?

You've gone very quiet Ty, did her Uncle Mick find you? :rofl:rofl:rofl

[ashley]

I heard the fat cunt ate them....

If your talking about MSTR.....he's skinny....if your talking about Phil....I think your being a bit harsh...Phil deserves more respect than that. :deal

[Contendo]

They waited till lenny sat down to look for the towel :patsch and whilst the main guy was panicking his fighter the 2nd popped up with something like "youre the champ lenny", there should be one voice and it should be calm and to the point.


As opposed to your man's Khoder running up to the corner in the Geale fight and screaming "Choc, your got to knock him out, their going to rob us!"

Very calm and to the point for a cornerman, err, I mean manager... :lol:

[Sydney Smutt]

No respect for him at all, he's posting under the name Patrick and giving himself wraps Ty proved it beyond doubt!

[patrick]

Never met Phil Austin but certainly know who he is.

Can't say I agree with everything the IBO has done here but hard to argue with his passion.

Sorry TC, you got it wrong.

I aint him and I certainly aint a banana bender.

Good try, but no cigar

[flamengo]

Never met Phil Austin but certainly know who he is.

Can't say I agree with everything the IBO has done here but hard to argue with his passion.

Sorry TC, you got it wrong.

I aint him and I certainly aint a banana bender.

Good try, but no cigar


Its actually easy to argue with Austins passion.. all ya have to do is argue with Austin.

[ashley]

Its actually easy to argue with Austins passion.. all ya have to do is argue with Austin.

Arrr...if only he was around we could all sink the boot in...oh I mean say hi :D

[20a87]

As opposed to your man's Khoder running up to the corner in the Geale fight and screaming "Choc, your got to knock him out, their going to rob us!"

Very calm and to the point for a cornerman, err, I mean manager... :lol:

This isnt a mundine thread :roll: but agree his corner could be 'thinned out' and smartened up too.

[Sydney Smutt]

Never met Phil Austin but certainly know who he is.

Can't say I agree with everything the IBO has done here but hard to argue with his passion.

Sorry TC, you got it wrong.

I aint him and I certainly aint a banana bender.

Good try, but no cigar

LIAR!!!!! YOU ARE PHIL AUSTIN, TY SAID SO!!!!!

P.S. Lose some weight you fat cunt!
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[Rise Above]

Love the new avatar ash. :lol::lol::lol:

[ashley]

Love the new avatar ash. :lol::lol::lol:

I'm sure you wont be the only one :fire

You can thank SOX

[Sox]

I'm sure you wont be the only one :fire

You can thank SOX
Anytime. :lol:

[flamengo]

LIAR!!!!! YOU ARE PHIL AUSTIN, TY SAID SO!!!!!

P.S. Lose some weight you fat cunt!
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl


Black Kettle...

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Don't forget Leon's masquerading himself around Perth radio stations as Peter also!!!!

[Sydney Smutt]

There is a handy rule I use when in doubt. Take a look at both fighters faces after the fight. The one with the pizza face is the one that lost.

End of discussion.

You must be the brains of the operation then! That is without doubt one of the dumbest things (outside of anything by Ty), I have ever read on here! Go learn the rules of scoring Einstein :patsch

[Dr Gonzo]

You must be the brains of the operation then! That is without doubt one of the dumbest things (outside of anything by Ty), I have ever read on here! Go learn the rules of scoring Einstein :patsch

its the dumbest thing anyone has ever said full stop :good

[Sydney Smutt]

I guess that's why you're the doctor! :p

[donkeyking]

So how do you guys score a fight? Enlighten me, the poor ignorant fool.

[Dr Gonzo]

So how do you guys score a fight? Enlighten me, the poor ignorant fool.

this is a piss take right?

[donkeyking]

No answer me and I'll prove you to be the fool.

[LeonMcS]

Go watch George Foreman vs Alex Stewart and then tell me who won.

[Sydney Smutt]

So how do you guys score a fight? Enlighten me, the poor ignorant fool.

Best to direct this question to Perfect Jet, he has never been a judge, never trained as a judge, admitted on here that he does not know the full criteria of judging, BUT - he did once towel down, Rey Anton Olarte's groin guard after a fight so he knows everything!
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[ashley]

Best to direct this question to Perfect Jet, he has never been a judge, never trained as a judge, admitted on here that he does not know the full criteria of judging, BUT - he did once towel down, Rey Anton Olarte's groin guard after a fight so he knows everything!
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

No longer can he call anybody nut hugger :lol:

[perfect jet]

Best to direct this question to Perfect Jet, he has never been a judge, never trained as a judge, admitted on here that he does not know the full criteria of judging, BUT - he did once towel down, Rey Anton Olarte's groin guard after a fight so he knows everything!
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Thanks for taking the time to read everything I write. :good

[Sydney Smutt]

No need to thank me PJ, I've always enjoyed a good laugh.....

[Chopper]

No no lol.. he is using his Mum as Ammo the sick bastard. I gave him the benifit of the doubt thinking the stress was getting to him as i know about the situation with his mum and have mention this already in previouse replys but the fag keeps going on with the threats and crap then when i do remind him about his mum he throws in a heap of lines about her to get the sympathy rolling in.

He has lived with his Mum before she got cancer! whats his excuse for that LOL? No women, No car! fckn looser giving me sht when he should be having a go in life.

Your picking on a guy who's mum has cancer? Ammo? :huh

Dam m8, go right for the throat why doncha?

[Chopper]

delete sorry

[Rodin]

When I read the comments about this fight, like most who loath unfair decisions, I was expecting the worst.
Last night I watched the fight.

To say judging is a subjective exercise, this fight would have to prove it based on previous comments.
When I score a fight seriously, it's Red corner, Blue corner. They may as well be identicle twins, but in the end, it just my opinion.
This is the way i saw it.

I have no idea why people would say Angulo got robbed.
It became pretty obvious that by the 3 rd round Fernando was pacing himself (Weight issues). Jab, right hand, clinch... Jab, right hand, clinch. It became so repetitious it was annoying.
It's one thing to take control of a fight by showing your opponent when & where the exchange will happen, but it has to happen. That's where ringmanship gets confused with failure to engage.
There was a distinct reluctance by Angulo to remain engaged.

I thought the referee was almost disinterested. There would be a hundred of his colleagues that would have not tolerated having to physically pull fighters apart.
His "Break, step back!" was completely ignored for the whole fight.He repeatedly checked Angulo for holding without getting serious.

Angula has an exciting style, when he is prepared to box for the whole round. He just never did imo. His long range bomber style has you oooing & aahhing all fight long.
I thought Zappa'a body attack was relentless. When the bombs whistled over his head, Zappa flayed the body.

While I couldn't justify a 116-111 on punch count, but I could understand the close rounds (& there were many) going to the fighter most willing to engage, & that would have to be Zappa.

I scored the fight 6 rounds to 5 with the point deduction round being 9-9 even. That foul swipe Angulo took at Zappa's eye deserved what it got imo

I saw it 114-113 for Lenny. I scored it round by round without assessment until the end of the fight. That's about as fair as you can get I hope.

It was hardly a gift.